I have an old (1970) copy of the Statistical Abstract of the United States. It doesn't break out slavery by regions but for 1820 (the earliest date on both tables) it shows about 1.5 million total slaves in the U.S. but only about 130,000 Negroes in the North and North Central regions of the country. I believe that most Northern states had had either totally abolished or were phasing out slavery by then. (e.g. New York passed a manumission law in 1799 that said all persons born after that date would be free as would all slaves under 55 who could show they would be self-sufficient.) -----Original Message----- From: irish9 [mailto:irish9@adelphia.net] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 1:53 PM To: CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: slavery in the north Can someone please supply census data to back up the statement that slavery was more prominent in the north.? Also the intent was to save the Union from traitors who wanted to destroy it. Men like Lee who took a Oath to the United States of America to defend her and Not to bear arms agaist her, were traitors. Today they would be courtmartialed and jailed for their acts of treason, if they were active duty officers. The common northern soldier fought for the flag not to free the slaves and populate the south with them , where they were all living any way for the most part. I do agree it was wrong move in taken down the Rebel monuments in Texas that is history. On the other hand the flag flying in South Carolina is racist. It is NOT the Confederate flag nor is was it ever the 3x5 rebel flag flying there is the confederate naval jack and the symbol of the KKK. It NEVER flew over any Confederate Goverment buildings nor was carried by the troops . The Stars and Bars 3 strips with! 11 stars in a circle was the official Confederate flag which was replaced in 1863 with the Stainless banner which was a Battle flag on a field of white. Your typical rebel yahoo does not even know what the Confederate flag looks like but wants to support the racist banner put up in during segregation. And for the record I am anti NAACP and to the right of Pat Buchanan but I hate it when I see history being rewriitten by those who dont know what the hell they are talking about.Joe Kelly - --------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/