Hello List, Well, it's sure that there could be more Gaelic banter if there were Globalized fadas. Ah, well... A couple of thoughts then (besides weighing in with the Ulster faction on pronunciation and spelling, having hard won what little Irish I speak from those in the North (Ulster)). That the tradition of Irish (or Celtic) war crys is a tradition that dates past the time when Brennus sacked Rome in 390 B.C. and that the variety is enough for a RootsWeb list to sustain itself. Many are recalled in the songs of the emigres and fascinating to think I still hear the war cry of "O'Donnell Abu!" in the music of one of our local Irish pubs whenever I am in the area. Lady Gregory and William Butler Yeats would marvel at what grew from their idea of a Gaelic Revival during what was assumed to be the time of "the Twilight of the Celtic World". Second, a very old and famous phrase from even before the time of Charles II (who lost Ireland to William of Orange) was translated as "the grim gap of Death". I cannot find my references to it, but perhaps someone on the list could help. The first word was (I am certain of this part) either " bearnas" or "bearnach" (I could see how either might translate) and the second word seeming to be "bhoghail". But the second word is something I can only see in my minds eyes and that from many too many years ago. It is reminiscent of the "breach" into which Shakespeare's Henry V urges his soldiers with the phrase, "once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;" and the Irish context in which I remember it best is a dance (and the music, of course) called "The Walls of Limerick" which is in honor of the braves maids of Limerick who held the besieged city during the Jacobite War by stepping in when their men fell. Shades of Molly (Ludwig) Pitcher! Anyway, if anyone can help this failed memory, I would appreciate it. Best Regards, Phil Lindsey