Dennis There is a much more elaborate story of this incident in THE IRISH BRIGADE by Paul Jones. Perhaps the origin of the story comes from sources used by Paul Jones. In the book Jones tells the story of a sergeant in McMillian's (Cobb's) Brigade named Michael Sullivan who crept out onto the battlefield at night after the Battle of Fredericksburg and recovered a green flag from a dead color bearer and then swam across the Rappahanock amid the firing of his fellows and requested to be taken to Meagher to whom Sullivan returned the flag. Meagher offered to accept him into the Irish Brigade but he wanted to go back to his regiment. He was wounded and was bandaged up by the Irish Brigade medical staff and with the help of Fenians on both sides rejoined his outfit. From the amount of information given it would seem that this comes as a story written perhaps in the Confederate Veteran or perhaps by the man himself, who, according to Jones, took part in the invasion of Canada and later became a "prosperous merchant in Savannah." Unfortunately I have not run across the story anywhere else yet and Jones did not footnote his sources in the book although he indicates he used the archives of The American Catholic Historical Society, Kean Archives and Notre Dame Archives in his research. An interesting sideline: The only sergeant Michael Sullivan in GA Infantry listed in HDS was a fellow who transferred into the 63rd GA (was that in any brigade at Marye's heights?) one day before the battle of Frederickburg and then deserted 2/25/1864 to the Union side. There is one other Michael Sullivan listed as a private in the 11th GA who went AWOL 2/28/1863 All that aside it is a great story and I would really like to know if anyone runs into the origin used by Jones. Mike

From "McNulty, Eamonn" <Eamonn.McNulty@health.wa.gov.au>: > > The Burns TV serial and book states that the Georgians behind the wall > at Maryes Heights were also Irish. I know it was the Georgian 24th > Regiment behind the wall. > > Why does Burns and co. say these Georgians were Irish. ---------------------- It's an oft-repeated and accepted story, but I wonder if anyone ever checked it out. It might be more folklore than fact. Question is, how Irish was the 24th? The regiment was commanded by Robert McMillan, an Antrim* man. 3 sons were also in the regiment, and Company K - the McMillan Guards - is ID'd by Kelly J. O'Grady as having a "green tint", although "not wholly Irish". He doesn't go into any specifics, and mentions only two other Irish members. While there certainly were Irishmen in the 24th, calling it an Irish regiment is a different matter. Looking at the roster at the 24th web site, not that many surnames leap out as being definitely Irish, but that doesn't mean much; there's a lot of Irish running around with monikers that originated elsewhere. Without checking the roster against, say, the 1860 census, it's hard to say whether the story's an exaggeration. It might be the story got its start in an article published by the Charleston Daily Courier entitled "A Gallant Irishman at Fredericksburg": "Meagher met his match at Fredericksburg in a gallant son of the Emerald Isle, Colonel Robert McMillan, of the Twenty-fourth Georgia. We should like to see McMillan at the head of the lamented Cobb's brigade, pitted against Meagher or Corcoran in an open field..." Once a commander's ethnicity is publicized, it doesn't take much for the public to extend it to the entire unit. Facts from "Clear the Confederate Way" by Kelly J. O'Grady, Savas Publishing, 2000; opinions are just my own. * Not sure about this; in the text, O'Grady says McMillan was born in Antrim, but in the preface he says Tyrone. Dennis

Oh please tell how was I rude??? Theres 20 Patrick Flynns alone who enlisted fron the State of New York. More information is needed to do a search unless Miss Gandy has hundreds of dollars to spend to order all 20 pension files. Joe (who isnt rude just a realist) ----- Original Message ----- From: Desoto Joe <joey@jcn1.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Patrick Flynn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Gandy" <gumnutgirls@ozemail.com.au> > To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 5:08 AM > Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Patrick Flynn > > > > Joe > > > > thanks for your help so far. will contact the Flynn Family Forum - many > thanks again. > > > > Susan > > > > > Just to let you know, that the Joe who replied first on the list (and was > rude) was not me, I'm a different Joseph! > > Desoto Joe/The Record Man > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > To review past messages, visit the list archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L/ > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Gandy" <gumnutgirls@ozemail.com.au> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Patrick Flynn > Joe > > thanks for your help so far. will contact the Flynn Family Forum - many thanks again. > > Susan > Just to let you know, that the Joe who replied first on the list (and was rude) was not me, I'm a different Joseph! Desoto Joe/The Record Man

Thanks Joe. What extra information would be good?? My mother is now 82 and although has a pretty good memory, some things do fade . . . Am very grateful for your help. Cheers from the chilly Blue Mountains, west of Sydney

I have just been told by my mother that my gt gt grandfather fought in the American Civil War. He was Patrick Flynn, born about 1841 in Roscommon, Ireland. He married a Margaret Croke in New York in 1875 and sailed for Australia the same year. Could some kind soul tell me how I can verify this information or search to see if he is listed somewhere? I do not know who he fought for or where he enlisted, but am assuming that as he sailed from New York he would have enlisted in a state nearby and presumably fought for the north. Would be grateful for any advice. Many thanks, Susan Gandy Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Gandy" <gumnutgirls@ozemail.com.au> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:25 PM Subject: [Civil-War-Irish] Patrick Flynn > I have just been told by my mother that my gt gt grandfather fought in the American Civil War. He was Patrick Flynn, born about 1841 in Roscommon, Ireland. He married a Margaret Croke in New York in 1875 and sailed for Australia the same year. > > Could some kind soul tell me how I can verify this information or search to see if he is listed somewhere? I do not know who he fought for or where he enlisted, but am assuming that as he sailed from New York he would have enlisted in a state nearby and presumably fought for the north. > > Would be grateful for any advice. > > Many thanks, > > Susan Gandy > Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia > > Donough, Ellen M. Spouse : Flynn, Patrick Date/Year of Marriage : 1875 Location : Manhattan *Certificate Number : 1784 F - Roster 111th New York Volunteer Infantry Flynn, Patrick--age,30 Enlisted 21 Mar 1864 at Romulus to serve three years. Wounded in action, 5 May 1864, at The Wilderness, VA.; transferred to Co. A, Fourth Artillery, 4 Jun 1865, while absent, wounded. 18th Mass. Patrick H. Flynn-- age,18 from Dedham Mass. Enlisted 8 / 24 / 1861 - was a private. occupation: weaver, Discharged disability, 5/26/1862. Try asking here: Flynn Family Genealogy Forum http://genforum.genealogy.com/flynn/ Desoto Joe/The Record Man

I Think it should be known that Faugh Ballaugh! Was first used by Confederate Irish! ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Gandy <gumnutgirls@ozemail.com.au> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: [Civil-War-Irish] Patrick Flynn > I have just been told by my mother that my gt gt grandfather fought in the American Civil War. He was Patrick Flynn, born about 1841 in Roscommon, Ireland. He married a Margaret Croke in New York in 1875 and sailed for Australia the same year. > > Could some kind soul tell me how I can verify this information or search to see if he is listed somewhere? I do not know who he fought for or where he enlisted, but am assuming that as he sailed from New York he would have enlisted in a state nearby and presumably fought for the north. > > Would be grateful for any advice. > > Many thanks, > > Susan Gandy > Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > "Faugh a Ballaugh!" (Clear the Way!) > Irish Battle Cry > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

I would like some information on the 24th Georgia Inf specificly Irish units. Thanks Brian Cashman ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe <irish9@adelphia.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Patrick Flynn > There is 20 Patrick Flynns alone who enlisted in New York you have to have > more information. Joe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Susan Gandy <gumnutgirls@ozemail.com.au> > To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:25 PM > Subject: [Civil-War-Irish] Patrick Flynn > > > > I have just been told by my mother that my gt gt grandfather fought in the > American Civil War. He was Patrick Flynn, born about 1841 in Roscommon, > Ireland. He married a Margaret Croke in New York in 1875 and sailed for > Australia the same year. > > > > Could some kind soul tell me how I can verify this information or search > to see if he is listed somewhere? I do not know who he fought for or where > he enlisted, but am assuming that as he sailed from New York he would have > enlisted in a state nearby and presumably fought for the north. > > > > Would be grateful for any advice. > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Susan Gandy > > Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia > > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > "Faugh a Ballaugh!" (Clear the Way!) > > Irish Battle Cry > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > "Remember Ireland and Fontenoy!" > Irish War Cry > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

There is 20 Patrick Flynns alone who enlisted in New York you have to have more information. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Gandy <gumnutgirls@ozemail.com.au> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:25 PM Subject: [Civil-War-Irish] Patrick Flynn > I have just been told by my mother that my gt gt grandfather fought in the American Civil War. He was Patrick Flynn, born about 1841 in Roscommon, Ireland. He married a Margaret Croke in New York in 1875 and sailed for Australia the same year. > > Could some kind soul tell me how I can verify this information or search to see if he is listed somewhere? I do not know who he fought for or where he enlisted, but am assuming that as he sailed from New York he would have enlisted in a state nearby and presumably fought for the north. > > Would be grateful for any advice. > > Many thanks, > > Susan Gandy > Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > "Faugh a Ballaugh!" (Clear the Way!) > Irish Battle Cry > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis J. Francis" <fran@ees.eesc.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 6:03 AM Subject: [Civil-War-Irish] Fwd: Irish v. Irish @ Fredericksburg > >From "McNulty, Eamonn" <Eamonn.McNulty@health.wa.gov.au>: > > G'day > > I am currently trying to do some research into the Battle of > Fredericksburg. > > The exploits of the Irish Brigade and their charge on Maryes Heights are > well documented. > > The Burns TV serial and book states that the Georgians behind the wall > at Maryes Heights were also Irish. I know it was the Georgian 24th > Regiment behind the wall. > > Why does Burns and co. say these Georgians were Irish. > > Any help will be enormously appreciated. > > Is mise le meas > > Eamonn McNulty > Matthew Stanley Quay: Civil War Hero http://www.bchistory.org/beavercounty/Beaver%20CountyTopical/notable%20peopl e/Quay%20Folder%20%C4/Quay.html The Confederates held their fire until the Northerners were within close range. Union troops fell as close as 25 yards from the wall. The second brigade in line was Brig. Gen. Thomas Meagher's famous Irish Brigade. Their flags had been shot up previously and were off being repaired, so he had sprigs of boxwood (the closest they could find to shamrocks) placed in their kepis (caps). By coincidence, the men they rushed to meet were Irishmen of Col. Robert McMillan's 24th Georgia regiment. With regret and pity, they mowed down their fellow Irishmen with murderous fire. http://www.vex.net/~agoodall/photofredhistory1.htm Report of Col. Robert McMillan, Twenty-fourth Georgia, Commanding Cobb's Brigade. DECEMBER 11-15, 1862.--Battle of Fredericksburg, Va. O.R.-- SERIES I--VOLUME XXI [S# 31] http://www.civilwarhome.com/mcmillanfredericksburg.htm 24th Georgia Regiment C.S.A. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/6820/ Desoto Joe/The Record Man

>From "McNulty, Eamonn" <Eamonn.McNulty@health.wa.gov.au>: G'day I am currently trying to do some research into the Battle of Fredericksburg. The exploits of the Irish Brigade and their charge on Maryes Heights are well documented. The Burns TV serial and book states that the Georgians behind the wall at Maryes Heights were also Irish. I know it was the Georgian 24th Regiment behind the wall. Why does Burns and co. say these Georgians were Irish. Any help will be enormously appreciated. Is mise le meas Eamonn McNulty

----- Original Message ----- From: <Staleygeni@aol.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Iron County Mo. > Joe: > ] > Can you tell me what might have happened to people who moved to Cooper > County Missouri in about 1860. Did they stay (in your opinion) there > when the war broke out or did they run North. Born in Pennsylvania, > pioneered West, parents were in Iowa. I was never able to find them after > the l860 census anywhere.Whittinger was their name, unusual out west and near > impossible to ev er find, strange? > any suggestions, input? Thanks, Jo in Michigan > I could not say with any authority. Try looking here: Cooper County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocooper/index.html Desoto Joe/The Record Man

Hello, Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <Staleygeni@aol.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Iron County Mo. Joe: ] Can you tell me what might have happened to people who moved to Cooper County Missouri in about 1860. Did they stay (in your opinion) there when the war broke out or did they run North. Born in Pennsylvania, pioneered West, parents were in Iowa. I was never able to find them after the l860 census anywhere.Whittinger was their name, unusual out west and near impossible to ev er find, strange? any suggestions, input? Thanks, Jo in Michigan ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== "Remember Ireland and Fontenoy!" Irish War Cry ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Joe: ] Can you tell me what might have happened to people who moved to Cooper County Missouri in about 1860. Did they stay (in your opinion) there when the war broke out or did they run North. Born in Pennsylvania, pioneered West, parents were in Iowa. I was never able to find them after the l860 census anywhere.Whittinger was their name, unusual out west and near impossible to ev er find, strange? any suggestions, input? Thanks, Jo in Michigan

This was sent to me & I want everyone to know about it, in case it applies to anyone. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- Hello, Just wanted to let you know that the Iron County Society will be putting together a publication of personal family Civil War stories. The stories must have connection to Iron County or an Iron County family. if you have any you would like to submit we would be thrilled to add in and if you know others that would have a story they would like to submit please pass this information on. The stories can be submitted to me Sharon Hackworth at lworth@jcn1.com or 506 Cedar Street, Leadwood, MO 63653 or to Jeanette Henson McClure at 202 Orchard, P. O. Box 343, Arcadia, MO, 63621 or jmcclur@mail.tigernet.gen.mo.us Thanks Sharon Desoto Joe/The Record Man

Ancestry.com is publishing a series of articles by NARA staffers on CW research hints, tips, and "where's my stuff?". Part I, which is about Union Army pension files, is at http://ancestry.com/library/view/news/articles/4025.asp Part III, which is about the recent changes NARA and what they've done to improve turnaround, is at: http://ancestry.com/library/view/news/articles/4005.asp (Part II, on ordering compiled service records, is to be published next week.) Dennis

On 18 Aug 2000 Jim Flinter wrote: > Is there a generous soul out there who has access to Family Tree Maker cd rom > # 287, New York City Census , 1870-1879 ? I am mainly interested in finding > traces of gr. grandfather William after he mustered out in 1863.......looking > for the entries for William Flinter....James Flinter ...and Jas. Flinter. -------------------- Jim, Don't have that CD but found this. Hopes it helps: William Flinter, 30, M, W, b IRE, res NY 11th Ward 19 ED, 1870 Census M593-988, Pg. 441 James Flinter, 46, M, W, b IRE, res NY 11th Ward 21 ED, 1870 Census M593-988, Pg. 498 James Flinter, 48, M, W, b IRE, res NY 11th Ward 20 ED, 1870 Census M593-988, Pg. 485 Dennis