Desoto Joe: Thanks for this information. It will be helpful for a project of mine involving the Irish in the American Civil War. Frank Dynan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Desoto Joe" <joey@jcn1.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 5:08 AM Subject: [Civil-War-Irish] Irish-Americans in the U.S. Civil War > Irish-Americans in the U.S. Civil War > http://irishculture.about.com/library/diaspora/blus-civilwar.htm > > Desoto Joe/The Record Man > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > "Remember Ireland and Fontenoy!" > Irish War Cry > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Irish-Americans in the U.S. Civil War http://irishculture.about.com/library/diaspora/blus-civilwar.htm Desoto Joe/The Record Man

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9823CF51C61A1C274437FB7D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------9823CF51C61A1C274437FB7D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-POP3-Rcpt: fran@ees Return-Path: <listadmin-bounces@rootsweb.com> Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.32]) by ees.eesc.com (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f6CNCTk16080 for <fran@ees.eesc.com>; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:12:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f6D0b3H12897 for CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-admin@lists2.rootsweb.com; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:37:03 -0600 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:37:03 -0600 X-From_: rjnolan@eircom.net Thu Jul 12 18:37:03 2001 Received: from newmail.rootsweb.com ([192.168.1.103]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f6D0b3O12879 for <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@lists2.rootsweb.com>; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:37:03 -0600 Received: from mcclure.tinet.ie (mail1.tinet.ie [159.134.237.19]) by newmail.rootsweb.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6D0b2v17203 for <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com>; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:37:02 -0600 Received: from p389.as1.prp.dublin.eircom.net ([159.134.169.133] helo=eircomnet) by mcclure.tinet.ie with smtp (Exim 2.05 #23) id 15Kqx5-0005i4-00 for CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 01:37:03 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c10b3c$16fb5d40$85c6fea9@eircomnet> From: "The Nolans" <rjnolan@eircom.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> References: <23D72B691EBFD31198920000E22935D42E9688@nt009mespm.pmhkemh.health.wa.gov.au> Old-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:35:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Faces X-Envelope-To: CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Eamon, I sent a reply to another query on the same Irish battlecry. Might you agree with what follows?! "Is this the cry 'Faugh an Ballagh' that you enquire about? Thomas Francis Meagher's Irish Brigade are known to have made much use of this call. Pronounced literally, 'Fog on Balok', it means, 'Get out of the way' or more simply 'OUT OF THE WAY'! The correct spelling of 'Faugh' is 'Fhag' (pronounced the same as above), whilst the correct spelling for 'Ballagh' is 'Bealach'. Regards Bob Nolan Dublin, Ireland." ----- Original Message ----- From: McNulty, Eamonn <Eamonn.McNulty@health.wa.gov.au> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:39 AM Subject: RE: [Civil-War-Irish] Faces > A cairde > > "Riam nar druid ar sbarin lann" > > More literally might be translated as > > "Ever don't close on loaded spears" I don't claim to be a Gaelic expert.I > cant find it in Rev. Patrick Dineen's dictionary circa 1920- the definitive > dictionary of the Irish language. > > "Never Retreat From a Clash of Spears" has a much nicer ring to my ear at > least. > > Interestingly Dineen gives "Fag (fada on the a) an Bealach" simply as clear > the way. I pefer your spelling as it predates Dineen by some 60 years and is > probably more authentic in portraying the actual battle cry used by the > Irish Americans. > > Is mise le meas > > Eamonn mac an Ultaigh > > Eamonn McNulty.(Western Australia) > > -----Original Message----- > From: RUDDYsTN > To: CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: 7/8/01 7:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Faces > > > >I once s aw the Irish Battle Cry given on this forum, does anyone have > it. > >There are a couple of you who speak gaelic, I would love it for an > Irish > >friend. Joanm Keller > > On the flag of the Irish Brigade it says: > "Riam nar druid o sbarin lann." Literally: "ever that-not [never] > drawing > back from conflict of spears or "Never Retreat From a Clash of Spears" > > Another from I belive a Pennsylvania Regiment: > "Faugh a Ballagh" or something similar meaning as I remember it: > "Through > the Breech" > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > To review past messages, visit the list archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L/ > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > To review past messages, visit the list archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > --------------9823CF51C61A1C274437FB7D--

A cairde "Riam nar druid ar sbarin lann" More literally might be translated as "Ever don't close on loaded spears" I don't claim to be a Gaelic expert.I cant find it in Rev. Patrick Dineen's dictionary circa 1920- the definitive dictionary of the Irish language. "Never Retreat From a Clash of Spears" has a much nicer ring to my ear at least. Interestingly Dineen gives "Fag (fada on the a) an Bealach" simply as clear the way. I pefer your spelling as it predates Dineen by some 60 years and is probably more authentic in portraying the actual battle cry used by the Irish Americans. Is mise le meas Eamonn mac an Ultaigh Eamonn McNulty.(Western Australia) -----Original Message----- From: RUDDYsTN To: CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: 7/8/01 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Faces >I once s aw the Irish Battle Cry given on this forum, does anyone have it. >There are a couple of you who speak gaelic, I would love it for an Irish >friend. Joanm Keller On the flag of the Irish Brigade it says: "Riam nar druid o sbarin lann." Literally: "ever that-not [never] drawing back from conflict of spears or "Never Retreat From a Clash of Spears" Another from I belive a Pennsylvania Regiment: "Faugh a Ballagh" or something similar meaning as I remember it: "Through the Breech" ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== To review past messages, visit the list archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L/ ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

The CW index isn't uploaded yet but, from the sound of things, it must be soon. Here's the article, but I snipped out the drum beating stuff. Dennis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NEW PENNSYLVANIA ONLINE RESOURCE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "HARRISBURG, Pa., July 3 /PRNewswire/ --...Brent D. Glass today announced Pennsylvanians now -- for the first time -- can access historical records through the PA PowerPort... The records can be accessed ... at http://www.state.pa.us or directly at the Commission's site at http://www.phmc.state.pa.us ... Currently, ARIAS offers approximately 200,000 images relating to the participation of Pennsylvanians in the Revolutionary War, Spanish-American War and World War I. The Revolutionary War records are arranged alphabetically by the surname of each soldier, with information on service in the Pennsylvania Militia, Pennsylvania Line, and the Navy; the name and rank of soldier; active or inactive duty; county of residence; battalion in which served; and the archival record from which the information was extracted. More than 300,000 Civil War and Mexican Border Campaign service card images also are being loaded into the system. Eventually, millions of digitized records, ranging from 19th-century county birth, death and marriage dockets to collections of photographs illustrating every aspect of the Pennsylvania experience, will be added..."

RUDDYsTN wrote: > > Remembering the discussions of Paul Jones' and the story of the return of > the colors at Fredericksburg and where the story might have originated, I > found this in Fox's Regimental Losses. > Mike > > "At Fredericksburg a color-sergeant of the Sixty-ninth was found dead, with > the flag concealed and wrapped around his body, a bullet having pierced the > flag and his heart. ------------------------ Mike, This would be the National colors. The NY regiments had retired their green regimentals and sent them home in November; the new ones arrived too late to be used in the battle and they were not presented until the 15th. The only green regimental flag in the brigade on the 13th was that of the 28th MA, and they brought it off the field with them. The 69th did lose a guidon; O'Grady says this ended up in General McLaws' possession. This could be it, but IMHO anyone who would rip off a general must be nuttier than Murdoch of "The A Team" :-). According to O'Grady (who dismisses this entirely), the recovery and return supposedly happened the night of the battle, which does make the story totally incredulous: Sullivan has to get by an entire wing of the Federal Army just to get to the Rappahannock, swim a very cold river, get shot while doing so by Confederate pickets who were nowhere in the vicinity, locate Meagher in the dark, then somehow get back to his own lines. I noticed Jones places the return some unspecified time after the battle; this at least makes it possible, but both Cavanagh and Conyngham say that a couple of days after the battle Meagher left for New York and was gone for some weeks. AFAIK, neither made mention of the incident. Looks like the Library of Congress has the "Freeman's Journal" for 28 Mar 1914, which first published the story; haven't checked, but I suspect the NY Public Library would, too. Would be interesting to find out for ourselves what it says. Cites: "Memoirs of General Thomas Francis Meagher", by Michael Cavanagh, 1892 "The Irish Brigade and Its Campaigns" by D. P. Conyngham, 1869 "The Irish Brigade" by Paul Jones, 1969 "Clear the Confederate Way" by Kelly J. O'Grady, 2000 Dennis

Dooling wrote: > > Is there a list anywhere of the men that served on the Monitor? > > Doug -------------------------- There's a list purporting to be that of the crew as of 8 March 1862 at: http://cssvirginia.org/vacsn3/crew/monitor/index.htm Something's wrong though: people who were definitely not aboard at the time are listed, and there's just way too many (111). It appears this is actually a list of everyone who was ever assigned, rather than that of the original crew. Also, John Worden (who was in command) and William Jeffers were lieutenants at the time. A list of officers and crew on 31 Dec 1862 when it sank is at: http://monitor.nos.noaa.gov/monitor98/crewlist.html Don't know what the asterisks mean, but it looks like they mean original crew members. There's at least a couple missing from this list: David Cuddeback (an original crewman) is listed in the Navy OR as a survivor, and the bio on Siah Carter (see next link) says he was, too. Some officer & crew biographies are at http://www.mariner.org/monitor/ under the Life on the Monitor link. Dennis

>I once s aw the Irish Battle Cry given on this forum, does anyone have it. >There are a couple of you who speak gaelic, I would love it for an Irish >friend. Joanm Keller On the flag of the Irish Brigade it says: "Riam nar druid o sbarin lann." Literally: "ever that-not [never] drawing back from conflict of spears or "Never Retreat From a Clash of Spears" Another from I belive a Pennsylvania Regiment: "Faugh a Ballagh" or something similar meaning as I remember it: "Through the Breech"

My understanding is the only green flag at Fredericksburg was the 28th Mass..The 69th N.Y.S.V. had only their green flank markers.I am new to this mail list.This may have been already mentioned.Gene

Remembering the discussions of Paul Jones' and the story of the return of the colors at Fredericksburg and where the story might have originated, I found this in Fox's Regimental Losses. Mike "At Fredericksburg a color-sergeant of the Sixty-ninth was found dead, with the flag concealed and wrapped around his body, a bullet having pierced the flag and his heart. In that battle the regiment lost 16 officers and 112 men killed and wounded, out of 18 officers and 210 men engaged. The Sixty-ninth lost the most men in action, killed and wounded, of any regiment from the State of New York."

Is there a list anywhere of the men that served on the Monitor? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Desoto Joe" <joey@jcn1.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Nova - again 8-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis J. Francis" <fran@ees.eesc.com> > To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:17 PM > Subject: [Civil-War-Irish] Nova - again 8-) > > > > Heard today that PBS is rearing "Lincoln's Secret Weapon", i.e., the USS > > Monitor, on 10 July. (I missed it when Desoto Joe mentioned it last > > October - better luck this time.) > > > > There's a companion web site at > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/monitor/ > > which gives you an opportunity to take a virtual "tour" of the ship, and > > has letters by William Keeler, acting paymaster aboard the Monitor, > > describing the ship's battle with the CSS Virginia. > > > > Dennis > > > > > > I saw them running the plug for it tonight. In Missouri, it will be on Nova, > Tuesday night. If anyone missed this, it is worth tuning in. > > Desoto Joe/The Record Man > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > To leave the list, type a message with only the word > unsubscribe > in the text and mailto:CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Heard today that PBS is rearing "Lincoln's Secret Weapon", i.e., the USS Monitor, on 10 July. (I missed it when Desoto Joe mentioned it last October - better luck this time.) There's a companion web site at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/monitor/ which gives you an opportunity to take a virtual "tour" of the ship, and has letters by William Keeler, acting paymaster aboard the Monitor, describing the ship's battle with the CSS Virginia. Dennis

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis J. Francis" <fran@ees.eesc.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:17 PM Subject: [Civil-War-Irish] Nova - again 8-) > Heard today that PBS is rearing "Lincoln's Secret Weapon", i.e., the USS > Monitor, on 10 July. (I missed it when Desoto Joe mentioned it last > October - better luck this time.) > > There's a companion web site at > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/monitor/ > which gives you an opportunity to take a virtual "tour" of the ship, and > has letters by William Keeler, acting paymaster aboard the Monitor, > describing the ship's battle with the CSS Virginia. > > Dennis > > I saw them running the plug for it tonight. In Missouri, it will be on Nova, Tuesday night. If anyone missed this, it is worth tuning in. Desoto Joe/The Record Man

Desoto Joe wrote: > > Kiladriffe Cemetery > http://www.iol.ie/~pjackson/bkkilad.htm ------------------------------------ That's some story. After all those years, I wonder how they managed to ID him; it doesn't sound like DNA was used. Dennis

4 July 1863 - After a long defense, including a siege that began on 26 May, Lieutenant General John C. Pemberton surrendered the city of Vicksburg and its garrison to Major General US Grant. Rather than being sent to prison camps, the great majority of Confederates were paroled. The National Park Service at the National Military Park has an outstanding website at http://www.nps.gov/vick/home.htm Included within the website are: an index to the Confederate parole records - http://www.nps.gov/vick/parole/csp_indx.htm names of soldiers interred at the Vicksburg National Cemetery http://www.nps.gov/vick/natcem/nat_cem.htm and at Soldiers Rest Confederate Cemetery http://www.nps.gov/vick/city_cem/sldrsrest.htm and the crew list of the USS Cairo http://www.nps.gov/vick/cairo/crew.htm Dennis

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Dennis: Thanks so much for the list. Wonderful effort and very much appreciated even though my ggrandfather was not on it. I had wondered as I was informed there were photos of soldiers from his unit on file.

Dennis: I once s aw the Irish Battle Cry given on this forum, does anyone have it. There are a couple of you who speak gaelic, I would love it for an Irish friend. Joanm Keller