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Hi again.......I went to the -Archives of Maryland -got on the website. Found this Purnell Legion Maryland Co "A" Cavalry Francis A Burch Private 6-4-1863 7-2-1862 transfered to Co "E" 1st MD Infantry Corporal 6-4-1863 7-2-1885 transfered From Purnell Legion vetern, taken prisoner All I did was type in Purnell Legion also the same for Archives of Maryland also try typing in Stuarts"s Staff Ann

A chairde Fenian and republican prisoners have always managed to mount spectacular escapes. Does anybody know if this tradition was demostrated by the Irish on either side during the civil war. Were there any large break outs made during the civil war and were the Irish involved in any?? Is mise le meas Eamonn McNulty.

At 01:10 PM 8/20/2001 +0800, you wrote: >A chairde Mon Cher My Friend >Is mise le meas Thanks I think so anyway Mike

General Morgan Escapes a Union jail 1863 On July 31 Morgan was sentenced, with 69 others officers to the Ohio State Penitentiary at Columbus. No sooner had the cellblock door slammed behind them than they began plotting their escape. It took 23 days to tunnel their way out of jail. The complete text I found in The People's Almanac #2 pages 1295 & 1296 Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "McNulty, Eamonn" <Eamonn.McNulty@health.wa.gov.au> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 1:10 AM Subject: [Civil-War-Irish] Escapes > A chairde > > Fenian and republican prisoners have always managed to mount spectacular > escapes. > > Does anybody know if this tradition was demostrated by the Irish on either > side during the civil war. > > Were there any large break outs made during the civil war and were the Irish > involved in any?? > > Is mise le meas > > Eamonn McNulty. > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > "Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear the > Way!)) Irish Battle Cry > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Could I please ask you to add an English translation to the Gaelic used .. It is so frustrating not knowning what is being said. I have a Irish-English Dictionary but often times I cannot find the right meaning as to what is written. Sincerely Ann Keegan ----- Original Message ----- From: "McNulty, Eamonn" <Eamonn.McNulty@health.wa.gov.au> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 1:10 AM Subject: [Civil-War-Irish] Escapes > A chairde > > Fenian and republican prisoners have always managed to mount spectacular > escapes. > > Does anybody know if this tradition was demostrated by the Irish on either > side during the civil war. > > Were there any large break outs made during the civil war and were the Irish > involved in any?? > > Is mise le meas > > Eamonn McNulty. > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > "Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear the > Way!)) Irish Battle Cry > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

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The inn that they ran in Carrickfergus still stands. Its on the approach to Belfast. Just offshore a bit John Paul Jones gave the Royal Navy a bloody nose

A chairde, Summing up the combined wisdom of the Irish Civil War Group regarding the ethnicity of Grant and Brady we find that: US Grant considered himself thoroughly American, though we know his great grandfather was John Simpson, born at Dergina Co. Tyrone in 1738. Matthew Brady said he was American too, though one source claims him as an Eireannach (Irishman). We appear to have nothing tangible on his parents but with a name like Brady (O' Bradaigh) his paternal ancestry can't be anything but Irish. Personally I'm a bit dissappointed that we don't have more on this fascinating character, who was responsible for the recording of such a rich pictorial archive at immense personal expense. Is mo/r a truaigh (It's agreat shame). Many thanks to all who took part, Is mise le meas, E/amonn Mac an Ultaigh.

Wm. H enry Harrison and Benjamin Harrison were d escendants of Archibald Iirwin Jr Born probably Ireland. James Knox Polk d escended from Wilkiam Polk, Donegal Ireland. James Buchanan from George Buchanan of Blairlusk and Deroran, Tyrone,Ireland President Chester Allan Arthur was the son of the' Rev. William Arthur of Ballymena, Antrim, Ireland Stephen Grover Cleveland the great grandson of Abner Neal of Ireland. More later, it is my 69th. birthday and a bit of Killian's is in order. Slainte until the morrow. J Keller

Andrew Jackson's father, Andrew Jackson wa born in Carrickfergus,Antrim,Ireland, immigrated to Waxhaws S.C.by l760. Married Carrickfergus, ante l760 to Elizabeth Hutcchinson of Carrickfergus who also d. Waxxhaws S.C.Grandfather Hugh Jackson, great grandfather, Thomas Jackson of Ballyregaan in Dundonald,Down, Ireland.

> -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Ford A154 > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:20 PM > To: CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [Civil-War-Irish] Summation: U.S. Grant and Matthew > Brady. > > Please take me off the email list > > Thank you > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ann Keegan [SMTP:akeegan@c3net.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:16 PM > > To: CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Summation: U.S. Grant and Matthew > > Brady. > > > > Elizabeth Hutchinson was the maiden name of > > Andrew Jackson's mother.. I think I forgot to add that to my E Mail > Ann > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Philip Lindsey" <galloglas@pars.net> > > To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Summation: U.S. Grant and Matthew Brady. > > > > > > > Hello List, > > > > > > To jump to a second (or third inning) on American Presidents, I've > > not > > seen > > > Andrew Jackson listed as Irish. However, if faulty memory serves, he > was > > the > > > first American President to have a direct link to Ireland. Father (or > > parents > > > both; at least grandfather) was born in Ireland. > > > Can anyone confirm or deny? > > > Also, to pause for reflection on Eamonn's point. IMHO, Ken Burn's > > "The > > Civil > > > War" series is the finest history of the war yet presented in a visual > > medium. > > > Eight hours of the best time I ever spent had with my eyes open! But > > where > > would > > > Ken Burns have been without Matthew Brady? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > "McNulty, Eamonn" wrote: > > > > > > > A chairde, > > > > > > > > Summing up the combined wisdom of the Irish Civil War Group > regarding > > the > > > > ethnicity of Grant and Brady we find that: > > > > > > > > US Grant considered himself thoroughly American, though we know his > > great > > > > grandfather was John Simpson, born at Dergina Co. Tyrone in 1738. > > > > > > > > Matthew Brady said he was American too, though one source claims him > > as > > an > > > > Eireannach (Irishman). We appear to have nothing tangible on his > > parents > > but > > > > with a name like Brady (O' Bradaigh) his paternal ancestry can't > be > > > > anything but Irish. Personally I'm a bit dissappointed that we don't > > have > > > > more on this fascinating character, who was responsible for the > > recording of > > > > such a rich pictorial archive at immense personal expense. Is mo/r a > > truaigh > > > > (It's agreat shame). > > > > > > > > Many thanks to all who took part, > > > > > > > > Is mise le meas, > > > > > > > > E/amonn Mac an Ultaigh. > > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > > > To leave the list, type a message with only the word > > > > unsubscribe > > > > in the text and mailto:CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > > To review past messages, visit the list archives at > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L/ > > > > > > ============================== > > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > "Remember Ireland and Fontenoy!" > > Irish War Cry > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > "Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear the > Way!)) Irish Battle Cry > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

Please take me off the email list Thank you > -----Original Message----- > From: Ann Keegan [SMTP:akeegan@c3net.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:16 PM > To: CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Summation: U.S. Grant and Matthew > Brady. > > Elizabeth Hutchinson was the maiden name of > Andrew Jackson's mother.. I think I forgot to add that to my E Mail Ann > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip Lindsey" <galloglas@pars.net> > To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:25 PM > Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Summation: U.S. Grant and Matthew Brady. > > > > Hello List, > > > > To jump to a second (or third inning) on American Presidents, I've > not > seen > > Andrew Jackson listed as Irish. However, if faulty memory serves, he was > the > > first American President to have a direct link to Ireland. Father (or > parents > > both; at least grandfather) was born in Ireland. > > Can anyone confirm or deny? > > Also, to pause for reflection on Eamonn's point. IMHO, Ken Burn's > "The > Civil > > War" series is the finest history of the war yet presented in a visual > medium. > > Eight hours of the best time I ever spent had with my eyes open! But > where > would > > Ken Burns have been without Matthew Brady? > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Phil > > > > "McNulty, Eamonn" wrote: > > > > > A chairde, > > > > > > Summing up the combined wisdom of the Irish Civil War Group regarding > the > > > ethnicity of Grant and Brady we find that: > > > > > > US Grant considered himself thoroughly American, though we know his > great > > > grandfather was John Simpson, born at Dergina Co. Tyrone in 1738. > > > > > > Matthew Brady said he was American too, though one source claims him > as > an > > > Eireannach (Irishman). We appear to have nothing tangible on his > parents > but > > > with a name like Brady (O' Bradaigh) his paternal ancestry can't be > > > anything but Irish. Personally I'm a bit dissappointed that we don't > have > > > more on this fascinating character, who was responsible for the > recording of > > > such a rich pictorial archive at immense personal expense. Is mo/r a > truaigh > > > (It's agreat shame). > > > > > > Many thanks to all who took part, > > > > > > Is mise le meas, > > > > > > E/amonn Mac an Ultaigh. > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > > To leave the list, type a message with only the word > > > unsubscribe > > > in the text and mailto:CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ============================== > > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > To review past messages, visit the list archives at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L/ > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > "Remember Ireland and Fontenoy!" > Irish War Cry > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

Elizabeth Hutchinson was the maiden name of Andrew Jackson's mother.. I think I forgot to add that to my E Mail Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Lindsey" <galloglas@pars.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Summation: U.S. Grant and Matthew Brady. > Hello List, > > To jump to a second (or third inning) on American Presidents, I've not seen > Andrew Jackson listed as Irish. However, if faulty memory serves, he was the > first American President to have a direct link to Ireland. Father (or parents > both; at least grandfather) was born in Ireland. > Can anyone confirm or deny? > Also, to pause for reflection on Eamonn's point. IMHO, Ken Burn's "The Civil > War" series is the finest history of the war yet presented in a visual medium. > Eight hours of the best time I ever spent had with my eyes open! But where would > Ken Burns have been without Matthew Brady? > > Best Regards, > > Phil > > "McNulty, Eamonn" wrote: > > > A chairde, > > > > Summing up the combined wisdom of the Irish Civil War Group regarding the > > ethnicity of Grant and Brady we find that: > > > > US Grant considered himself thoroughly American, though we know his great > > grandfather was John Simpson, born at Dergina Co. Tyrone in 1738. > > > > Matthew Brady said he was American too, though one source claims him as an > > Eireannach (Irishman). We appear to have nothing tangible on his parents but > > with a name like Brady (O' Bradaigh) his paternal ancestry can't be > > anything but Irish. Personally I'm a bit dissappointed that we don't have > > more on this fascinating character, who was responsible for the recording of > > such a rich pictorial archive at immense personal expense. Is mo/r a truaigh > > (It's agreat shame). > > > > Many thanks to all who took part, > > > > Is mise le meas, > > > > E/amonn Mac an Ultaigh. > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > To leave the list, type a message with only the word > > unsubscribe > > in the text and mailto:CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > To review past messages, visit the list archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L/ > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

Andrew Jackson Captain Hugh Hill of Carrickfergus, Ireland. His father was John Hill, and his mother Elizabeth Jackson daughter of Hugh Jackson the grandfather of President Andrew Jackson. Member of the Friendly Sons of St. Patrick >From "Irelands Important and Heroric Part in America's Indepence and Development " Author Rev.Frank L Reynolds Page77 Ann Keegan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Lindsey" <galloglas@pars.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Summation: U.S. Grant and Matthew Brady. > Hello List, > > To jump to a second (or third inning) on American Presidents, I've not seen > Andrew Jackson listed as Irish. However, if faulty memory serves, he was the > first American President to have a direct link to Ireland. Father (or parents > both; at least grandfather) was born in Ireland. > Can anyone confirm or deny? > Also, to pause for reflection on Eamonn's point. IMHO, Ken Burn's "The Civil > War" series is the finest history of the war yet presented in a visual medium. > Eight hours of the best time I ever spent had with my eyes open! But where would > Ken Burns have been without Matthew Brady? > > Best Regards, > > Phil > > "McNulty, Eamonn" wrote: > > > A chairde, > > > > Summing up the combined wisdom of the Irish Civil War Group regarding the > > ethnicity of Grant and Brady we find that: > > > > US Grant considered himself thoroughly American, though we know his great > > grandfather was John Simpson, born at Dergina Co. Tyrone in 1738. > > > > Matthew Brady said he was American too, though one source claims him as an > > Eireannach (Irishman). We appear to have nothing tangible on his parents but > > with a name like Brady (O' Bradaigh) his paternal ancestry can't be > > anything but Irish. Personally I'm a bit dissappointed that we don't have > > more on this fascinating character, who was responsible for the recording of > > such a rich pictorial archive at immense personal expense. Is mo/r a truaigh > > (It's agreat shame). > > > > Many thanks to all who took part, > > > > Is mise le meas, > > > > E/amonn Mac an Ultaigh. > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > To leave the list, type a message with only the word > > unsubscribe > > in the text and mailto:CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > To review past messages, visit the list archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L/ > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

Hi Eamonn, Please include translation when using "The Irish", thanks. This BRADY and GRANT thing has been bouncing around for quite a while now but I agree with you. John WAYNE alias Marion MORRISON also disavowed the hyphen and wanted to be known as an American. Will forward other "Fighting 69th" missives that look interesting. How is the weather "down under"? Today is scorching here, it is supposed to go to 98 or so. Have you heard of an Australian beer called XXXX (Four X)? Slan go foill! Bob O DALAIGH PS-What is the Irish for Bob & Robert? ----- Original Message ----- From: "McNulty, Eamonn" <Eamonn.McNulty@health.wa.gov.au> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:34 AM Subject: [Civil-War-Irish] Summation: U.S. Grant and Matthew Brady. > A chairde, > > Summing up the combined wisdom of the Irish Civil War Group regarding the > ethnicity of Grant and Brady we find that: > > US Grant considered himself thoroughly American, though we know his great > grandfather was John Simpson, born at Dergina Co. Tyrone in 1738. > > Matthew Brady said he was American too, though one source claims him as an > Eireannach (Irishman). We appear to have nothing tangible on his parents but > with a name like Brady (O' Bradaigh) his paternal ancestry can't be > anything but Irish. Personally I'm a bit dissappointed that we don't have > more on this fascinating character, who was responsible for the recording of > such a rich pictorial archive at immense personal expense. Is mo/r a truaigh > (It's agreat shame). > > Many thanks to all who took part, > > Is mise le meas, > > E/amonn Mac an Ultaigh. > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > To leave the list, type a message with only the word > unsubscribe > in the text and mailto:CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > ---------------------------------------------------- NetZero Platinum Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97

Bill, Thanks for the tip. However, some web-based mail handlers will print gibberish and different of the TrueType fonts will use different numbers for the ALT + # fadas. Also, though, you can hang the Microsoft "Character Map" program in your StartUp folder and have the correct ones available regardless of the font being used. Have generally found that very effective with non-list emails. Best Regards, Phil Bill Ford A154 wrote: > How To Make Fadas > While holding down the ALT key and using the number keys to the far right of > your keyboard, type as follows: > 0225 for á > 0233 for é > 0237 for í > 0243 for ó > 0250 for ú > 0193 for Á > 0201 for É > 0205 for Í > 0211 for Ó > 0218 for Ú > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: McNulty, Eamonn [SMTP:Eamonn.McNulty@health.wa.gov.au] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:34 AM > > To: CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [Civil-War-Irish] Summation: U.S. Grant and Matthew Brady. > > > > A chairde, > > > > Summing up the combined wisdom of the Irish Civil War Group regarding the > > ethnicity of Grant and Brady we find that: > > > > US Grant considered himself thoroughly American, though we know his great > > grandfather was John Simpson, born at Dergina Co. Tyrone in 1738. > > > > Matthew Brady said he was American too, though one source claims him as an > > Eireannach (Irishman). We appear to have nothing tangible on his parents > > but > > with a name like Brady (O' Bradaigh) his paternal ancestry can't be > > anything but Irish. Personally I'm a bit dissappointed that we don't have > > more on this fascinating character, who was responsible for the recording > > of > > such a rich pictorial archive at immense personal expense. Is mo/r a > > truaigh > > (It's agreat shame). > > > > Many thanks to all who took part, > > > > Is mise le meas, > > > > E/amonn Mac an Ultaigh. > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > To leave the list, type a message with only the word > > unsubscribe > > in the text and mailto:CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > "Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear the > Way!)) Irish Battle Cry > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Hello List, To jump to a second (or third inning) on American Presidents, I've not seen Andrew Jackson listed as Irish. However, if faulty memory serves, he was the first American President to have a direct link to Ireland. Father (or parents both; at least grandfather) was born in Ireland. Can anyone confirm or deny? Also, to pause for reflection on Eamonn's point. IMHO, Ken Burn's "The Civil War" series is the finest history of the war yet presented in a visual medium. Eight hours of the best time I ever spent had with my eyes open! But where would Ken Burns have been without Matthew Brady? Best Regards, Phil "McNulty, Eamonn" wrote: > A chairde, > > Summing up the combined wisdom of the Irish Civil War Group regarding the > ethnicity of Grant and Brady we find that: > > US Grant considered himself thoroughly American, though we know his great > grandfather was John Simpson, born at Dergina Co. Tyrone in 1738. > > Matthew Brady said he was American too, though one source claims him as an > Eireannach (Irishman). We appear to have nothing tangible on his parents but > with a name like Brady (O' Bradaigh) his paternal ancestry can't be > anything but Irish. Personally I'm a bit dissappointed that we don't have > more on this fascinating character, who was responsible for the recording of > such a rich pictorial archive at immense personal expense. Is mo/r a truaigh > (It's agreat shame). > > Many thanks to all who took part, > > Is mise le meas, > > E/amonn Mac an Ultaigh. > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > To leave the list, type a message with only the word > unsubscribe > in the text and mailto:CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

Bob: Do not take the word "Deserted" to be of any significance. It was common if someone was being treated for wounds, whatever, for them to call them deserted should they not appear at stand-up. They said the same about my great grandfathers, in fact I proved that they were in the hospital at Gettysburg being treated. They had been taken prisoner as well many different times when they were classified as "deserted". Don't believe all that you read. Remember Lincoln's quote.l Joan Keller