Outside of Castle Garden processing station, immigrants were being recruited for the Union Army. Prior to the start of conscription in July 1863, volunteers were obtained by offering bounties for enlistment. Many Irish immigrants, attracted by the prospect of $600 signed up immediately. Source "The Book Of Irish Americans" by William D. Griffin page 60 Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Bishop" <donbi@concentric.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] > How interesting. I look forward to hearing from you. > > My great grandfather was a 17 year old from County Clare, Ireland and I rather imagine > $300 seemed much like the pot 'o gold at the end of the rainbow to him. > > Patricia > > Philip Lindsey wrote: > > > Patricia and List, > > > > Oddly, Thomas Owens of Saline County was an ancestor of mine, also. And if the > > substitute was your Carey ancestor of 71st EMM, it is even more interesting for my > > GGGrandfather Willis Pinkney Lindsey left Boone County and his next door neighbor > > and Confederate brother to join the Union forces in Saline county and spent time > > as a Second Corporal in the 71st EMM). So, it looks like we have a double > > connection (Patricia, I'll write you directly after finishing this email). > > Ellen made an excellent point about the installments which sheds light on one > > of the "variations on a theme" regarding bounties in Missouri. Boone County, > > Missouri was an excellent example. > > The Boone County Roots Web site has a listing of (I think) over one hundred > > "Federal" draftees for 1864 and the results thereof. Already being familiar with > > many of the individuals and names, I knew that most of these men were pro-Southern > > if not actively fighting for the South. Yet, faced with a Federal draft and having > > family, farms and future immovably in Boone County, what did these men do? Many > > furnished "substitutes". Some of these substitutes were induced by cash bounties > > by the government (if not in Boone County, then certainly others) but what option > > was there for the draftees who could not find obliging substitutes at $300? > > I think the answer was informal competitive bargaining. I.E., " If $300 is not > > enough, how about I throw in $200 of my own?" or " How's about $300 , and you keep > > the horse and saddle? " > > Among the draftees of Boone County were some men who had been slaves until the > > Emancipation Proclamation (of 1/1/1863). It is also a fair guess that after 1862 > > there were many newly free men ( dispossessed both by Border Warfare and the > > changing tides of war in Missouri) who were very happy to substitute, bounty or > > no. > > There is great irony in thinking about how many Missourians, who would have > > (or did) fight for the South, could have been forced into a position of having to > > provide a new Union draftee substitute soldier as a price for maintaining his > > Southern loyalties. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Phil Lindsey > > > > Don Bishop wrote: > > > > > My great grandfather was a substitute for a Thomas Owens in Saline County, MO. > > > He was paid the $300 bounty. However, it was paid in installments. I would > > > suppose to be certain he stayed for his full enlistment. > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > Ellen Naliboff wrote: > > > > > > > The enlistment bonus us $300 in lieu of land. Prior to the Civil War the > > > > government had no money but granted Land Warrants to veterans. > > > > The CW was the first in which a draft was used to fill the ranks. > > > > However, a young man could pay $300 and someone else would serve in his > > > > stead. > > > > Ellen > > > > > > > > LLWHALE@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > >Eamonn: It was common to sign up for a $100.00 bounty. My Irish relative, > > > > >age 18, did this and died from sickness before his year was up. LInda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > > > >"Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear the > > > > >Way!)) Irish Battle Cry > > > > > > > > > >============================== > > > > >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > > > >Source for Family History Online. 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Cadé mar atat tú, Ann? (How are you?), This is a story that needs looking into. Though the basic facts are correct, the "spin" that was put on it at the time was thoroughly anti-Irish. The "Know-Nothings" (the anti-Immmigrant forces) had long been propagandizing against the immigrant, non-Norman Irish. When the riots occurred, the papers quickly put out damage reports and indicated that the Irish had turned their wrath on the Negroes. When one thinks about it, there is little logic in the target. The Irish and the Blacks were both greatly discriminated against (remember "No Irish Need Apply" hung on many doors). Ken Burns documentary investigated this, but all of the details elude me at the moment. Perhaps someone on the list can give us more details. However, it seems that the worry was with the huge numbers of Irish who were very a very potent and cohesive political force (think Tammany Hall bosses and prior) and their reaction to being asked to commit the Supreme sacrifice for a land that had not yet given them much. My own impression was that the Irish did riot, but not specifically against blacks as such, but more as "Collateral Damage" because they were close to where the Irish were. And the solution was the "spin". Pit the Irish against the blacks (in the papers) and, consequently, against the Emancipation Proclamation and Lincoln, and the Irish would appear "un-American" and "un-Patriotic" (and easy pickings for the Know Nothings after the war). Consequently, the ward healers and bosses got the immigrant Irish behind the war effort and won legitimacy for the Irish after the war. At any rate, it is a murky chapter of American history and would be a good subject to hear on. My own Grandda was in the Five Corners area of New York at the time but was dead many years before I was born. He sure would have had the tale and were he here I'd ask for his input. Well, I'll ask anyway. Maybe he'll send it some other fashion (how 'bout it Grandda Dan?<grin>) Best Regards, Phil Lindsey Ann Keegan wrote: > Here is an interesting story: > > In 1863, The Conscription Act, which allowed anyone to evade military sevice > provided that he pay $300.00 or enlist a substitute for three years of > service, that set off four days of rioting in New York. The working-class > Irish, to whom $300.00 was almost a year's wages, were outraged: they took > out their anger on the Negroes, whom they believed were responsible for the > war. Hundreds blacks and whites were killed. The Color > Orphan Asylum was burned, and property demage amounted to several million > dollar. (That's uninflated > 1863 dollars) > Source: "The Ethnic Almanac" Author Stephanie Bernardo page 20 > > Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Bishop" <donbi@concentric.net> > To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 6:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] > > > How interesting. I look forward to hearing from you. > > > > My great grandfather was a 17 year old from County Clare, Ireland and I > rather imagine > > $300 seemed much like the pot 'o gold at the end of the rainbow to him. > > > > Patricia > > > > Philip Lindsey wrote: > > > > > Patricia and List, > > > > > > Oddly, Thomas Owens of Saline County was an ancestor of mine, also. > And if the > > > substitute was your Carey ancestor of 71st EMM, it is even more > interesting for my > > > GGGrandfather Willis Pinkney Lindsey left Boone County and his next door > neighbor > > > and Confederate brother to join the Union forces in Saline county and > spent time > > > as a Second Corporal in the 71st EMM). So, it looks like we have a > double > > > connection (Patricia, I'll write you directly after finishing this > email). > > > Ellen made an excellent point about the installments which sheds > light on one > > > of the "variations on a theme" regarding bounties in Missouri. Boone > County, > > > Missouri was an excellent example. > > > The Boone County Roots Web site has a listing of (I think) over one > hundred > > > "Federal" draftees for 1864 and the results thereof. Already being > familiar with > > > many of the individuals and names, I knew that most of these men were > pro-Southern > > > if not actively fighting for the South. Yet, faced with a Federal draft > and having > > > family, farms and future immovably in Boone County, what did these men > do? Many > > > furnished "substitutes". Some of these substitutes were induced by cash > bounties > > > by the government (if not in Boone County, then certainly others) but > what option > > > was there for the draftees who could not find obliging substitutes at > $300? > > > I think the answer was informal competitive bargaining. I.E., " If > $300 is not > > > enough, how about I throw in $200 of my own?" or " How's about $300 , > and you keep > > > the horse and saddle? " > > > Among the draftees of Boone County were some men who had been slaves > until the > > > Emancipation Proclamation (of 1/1/1863). It is also a fair guess that > after 1862 > > > there were many newly free men ( dispossessed both by Border Warfare and > the > > > changing tides of war in Missouri) who were very happy to substitute, > bounty or > > > no. > > > There is great irony in thinking about how many Missourians, who > would have > > > (or did) fight for the South, could have been forced into a position of > having to > > > provide a new Union draftee substitute soldier as a price for > maintaining his > > > Southern loyalties. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Phil Lindsey > > > > > > Don Bishop wrote: > > > > > > > My great grandfather was a substitute for a Thomas Owens in Saline > County, MO. > > > > He was paid the $300 bounty. However, it was paid in installments. I > would > > > > suppose to be certain he stayed for his full enlistment. > > > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > Ellen Naliboff wrote: > > > > > > > > > The enlistment bonus us $300 in lieu of land. Prior to the Civil War > the > > > > > government had no money but granted Land Warrants to veterans. > > > > > The CW was the first in which a draft was used to fill the ranks. > > > > > However, a young man could pay $300 and someone else would serve in > his > > > > > stead. > > > > > Ellen > > > > > > > > > > LLWHALE@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Eamonn: It was common to sign up for a $100.00 bounty. My Irish > relative, > > > > > >age 18, did this and died from sickness before his year was up. > LInda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > > > > >"Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear > the > > > > > >Way!)) 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Here is an interesting story: In 1863, The Conscription Act, which allowed anyone to evade military sevice provided that he pay $300.00 or enlist a substitute for three years of service, that set off four days of rioting in New York. The working-class Irish, to whom $300.00 was almost a year's wages, were outraged: they took out their anger on the Negroes, whom they believed were responsible for the war. Hundreds blacks and whites were killed. The Color Orphan Asylum was burned, and property demage amounted to several million dollar. (That's uninflated 1863 dollars) Source: "The Ethnic Almanac" Author Stephanie Bernardo page 20 Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Bishop" <donbi@concentric.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] > How interesting. I look forward to hearing from you. > > My great grandfather was a 17 year old from County Clare, Ireland and I rather imagine > $300 seemed much like the pot 'o gold at the end of the rainbow to him. > > Patricia > > Philip Lindsey wrote: > > > Patricia and List, > > > > Oddly, Thomas Owens of Saline County was an ancestor of mine, also. And if the > > substitute was your Carey ancestor of 71st EMM, it is even more interesting for my > > GGGrandfather Willis Pinkney Lindsey left Boone County and his next door neighbor > > and Confederate brother to join the Union forces in Saline county and spent time > > as a Second Corporal in the 71st EMM). So, it looks like we have a double > > connection (Patricia, I'll write you directly after finishing this email). > > Ellen made an excellent point about the installments which sheds light on one > > of the "variations on a theme" regarding bounties in Missouri. Boone County, > > Missouri was an excellent example. > > The Boone County Roots Web site has a listing of (I think) over one hundred > > "Federal" draftees for 1864 and the results thereof. Already being familiar with > > many of the individuals and names, I knew that most of these men were pro-Southern > > if not actively fighting for the South. Yet, faced with a Federal draft and having > > family, farms and future immovably in Boone County, what did these men do? Many > > furnished "substitutes". Some of these substitutes were induced by cash bounties > > by the government (if not in Boone County, then certainly others) but what option > > was there for the draftees who could not find obliging substitutes at $300? > > I think the answer was informal competitive bargaining. I.E., " If $300 is not > > enough, how about I throw in $200 of my own?" or " How's about $300 , and you keep > > the horse and saddle? " > > Among the draftees of Boone County were some men who had been slaves until the > > Emancipation Proclamation (of 1/1/1863). It is also a fair guess that after 1862 > > there were many newly free men ( dispossessed both by Border Warfare and the > > changing tides of war in Missouri) who were very happy to substitute, bounty or > > no. > > There is great irony in thinking about how many Missourians, who would have > > (or did) fight for the South, could have been forced into a position of having to > > provide a new Union draftee substitute soldier as a price for maintaining his > > Southern loyalties. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Phil Lindsey > > > > Don Bishop wrote: > > > > > My great grandfather was a substitute for a Thomas Owens in Saline County, MO. > > > He was paid the $300 bounty. However, it was paid in installments. I would > > > suppose to be certain he stayed for his full enlistment. > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > Ellen Naliboff wrote: > > > > > > > The enlistment bonus us $300 in lieu of land. Prior to the Civil War the > > > > government had no money but granted Land Warrants to veterans. > > > > The CW was the first in which a draft was used to fill the ranks. > > > > However, a young man could pay $300 and someone else would serve in his > > > > stead. > > > > Ellen > > > > > > > > LLWHALE@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > >Eamonn: It was common to sign up for a $100.00 bounty. My Irish relative, > > > > >age 18, did this and died from sickness before his year was up. LInda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > > > >"Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear the > > > > >Way!)) 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'The New York City Draft Riots, their significance for American Society and politics in the Age of the Civil War" by Iver Bernstein, New York, Oxford University Press, 1990. The author was assistant professor of History at Washington University, St. Louis. His doctoral dissertation was the basis of the this book. He names names of the Anti-Draft Committee (many Irish surnames), Lawrence Lader wrote "New York's Bloodiest Week, the draft riots of 1863 turned a great city into a living hell" published in American Heritage. Unfortunately, I tore part of it from the bound book and these pages give no clue to date of publication. Ellen Ann Keegan wrote: >Here is an interesting story: > >In 1863, The Conscription Act, which allowed anyone to evade military sevice >provided that he pay $300.00 or enlist a substitute for three years of >service, that set off four days of rioting in New York. The working-class >Irish, to whom $300.00 was almost a year's wages, were outraged: they took >out their anger on the Negroes, whom they believed were responsible for the >war. Hundreds blacks and whites were killed. The Color >Orphan Asylum was burned, and property demage amounted to several million >dollar. (That's uninflated >1863 dollars) >Source: "The Ethnic Almanac" Author Stephanie Bernardo page 20 > >Ann >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don Bishop" <donbi@concentric.net> >To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 6:33 PM >Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] > > >>How interesting. I look forward to hearing from you. >> >>My great grandfather was a 17 year old from County Clare, Ireland and I >> >rather imagine > >>$300 seemed much like the pot 'o gold at the end of the rainbow to him. >> >>Patricia >> >>Philip Lindsey wrote: >> >>>Patricia and List, >>> >>> Oddly, Thomas Owens of Saline County was an ancestor of mine, also. >>> >And if the > >>>substitute was your Carey ancestor of 71st EMM, it is even more >>> >interesting for my > >>>GGGrandfather Willis Pinkney Lindsey left Boone County and his next door >>> >neighbor > >>>and Confederate brother to join the Union forces in Saline county and >>> >spent time > >>>as a Second Corporal in the 71st EMM). So, it looks like we have a >>> >double > >>>connection (Patricia, I'll write you directly after finishing this >>> >email). > >>> Ellen made an excellent point about the installments which sheds >>> >light on one > >>>of the "variations on a theme" regarding bounties in Missouri. Boone >>> >County, > >>>Missouri was an excellent example. >>> The Boone County Roots Web site has a listing of (I think) over one >>> >hundred > >>>"Federal" draftees for 1864 and the results thereof. Already being >>> >familiar with > >>>many of the individuals and names, I knew that most of these men were >>> >pro-Southern > >>>if not actively fighting for the South. Yet, faced with a Federal draft >>> >and having > >>>family, farms and future immovably in Boone County, what did these men >>> >do? Many > >>>furnished "substitutes". Some of these substitutes were induced by cash >>> >bounties > >>>by the government (if not in Boone County, then certainly others) but >>> >what option > >>>was there for the draftees who could not find obliging substitutes at >>> >$300? > >>> I think the answer was informal competitive bargaining. I.E., " If >>> >$300 is not > >>>enough, how about I throw in $200 of my own?" or " How's about $300 , >>> >and you keep > >>>the horse and saddle? " >>> Among the draftees of Boone County were some men who had been slaves >>> >until the > >>>Emancipation Proclamation (of 1/1/1863). It is also a fair guess that >>> >after 1862 > >>>there were many newly free men ( dispossessed both by Border Warfare and >>> >the > >>>changing tides of war in Missouri) who were very happy to substitute, >>> >bounty or > >>>no. >>> There is great irony in thinking about how many Missourians, who >>> >would have > >>>(or did) fight for the South, could have been forced into a position of >>> >having to > >>>provide a new Union draftee substitute soldier as a price for >>> >maintaining his > >>>Southern loyalties. >>> >>>Best Regards, >>> >>>Phil Lindsey >>> >>>Don Bishop wrote: >>> >>>>My great grandfather was a substitute for a Thomas Owens in Saline >>>> >County, MO. > >>>>He was paid the $300 bounty. However, it was paid in installments. I >>>> >would > >>>>suppose to be certain he stayed for his full enlistment. >>>> >>>>Patricia >>>> >>>>Ellen Naliboff wrote: >>>> >>>>>The enlistment bonus us $300 in lieu of land. Prior to the Civil War >>>>> >the > >>>>>government had no money but granted Land Warrants to veterans. >>>>>The CW was the first in which a draft was used to fill the ranks. >>>>>However, a young man could pay $300 and someone else would serve in >>>>> >his > >>>>>stead. >>>>>Ellen >>>>> >>>>>LLWHALE@aol.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Eamonn: It was common to sign up for a $100.00 bounty. My Irish >>>>>> >relative, > >>>>>>age 18, did this and died from sickness before his year was up. >>>>>> >LInda > >>>>>> >>>>>>==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== >>>>>>"Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear >>>>>> >the > >>>>>>Way!)) 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Dia shuit (Hello) I know that land grants were given to Widow and Veterns that served in the Civil War. Virgina, Kentucky and Texas comes to mind.... I did find Texas on the website http://people.txucom.net/barryjl/fundh.html Is that what you mean? Aine ----- Original Message ----- From: "McNulty, Eamonn" <Eamonn.McNulty@health.wa.gov.au> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 4:05 AM Subject: [Civil-War-Irish] > A cairde (friends) > > I've heard it said that Irish recruits were enticed to join the on the Union > side in the Civil War with the promise of acres of land west of the > Mississippi after the war. > > Does anybody know if there is any truth in this.? > > Is mise le meas (yours respectfully) > > Éamonn Mac an Ultaigh (Eamonn Mc Nulty). > > Medical Illustration > Princess Margaret Hospital > Perth > Western Australia 6059 > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > To leave the list, type a message with only the word > unsubscribe > in the text and mailto:CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

How interesting. I look forward to hearing from you. My great grandfather was a 17 year old from County Clare, Ireland and I rather imagine $300 seemed much like the pot 'o gold at the end of the rainbow to him. Patricia Philip Lindsey wrote: > Patricia and List, > > Oddly, Thomas Owens of Saline County was an ancestor of mine, also. And if the > substitute was your Carey ancestor of 71st EMM, it is even more interesting for my > GGGrandfather Willis Pinkney Lindsey left Boone County and his next door neighbor > and Confederate brother to join the Union forces in Saline county and spent time > as a Second Corporal in the 71st EMM). So, it looks like we have a double > connection (Patricia, I'll write you directly after finishing this email). > Ellen made an excellent point about the installments which sheds light on one > of the "variations on a theme" regarding bounties in Missouri. Boone County, > Missouri was an excellent example. > The Boone County Roots Web site has a listing of (I think) over one hundred > "Federal" draftees for 1864 and the results thereof. Already being familiar with > many of the individuals and names, I knew that most of these men were pro-Southern > if not actively fighting for the South. Yet, faced with a Federal draft and having > family, farms and future immovably in Boone County, what did these men do? Many > furnished "substitutes". Some of these substitutes were induced by cash bounties > by the government (if not in Boone County, then certainly others) but what option > was there for the draftees who could not find obliging substitutes at $300? > I think the answer was informal competitive bargaining. I.E., " If $300 is not > enough, how about I throw in $200 of my own?" or " How's about $300 , and you keep > the horse and saddle? " > Among the draftees of Boone County were some men who had been slaves until the > Emancipation Proclamation (of 1/1/1863). It is also a fair guess that after 1862 > there were many newly free men ( dispossessed both by Border Warfare and the > changing tides of war in Missouri) who were very happy to substitute, bounty or > no. > There is great irony in thinking about how many Missourians, who would have > (or did) fight for the South, could have been forced into a position of having to > provide a new Union draftee substitute soldier as a price for maintaining his > Southern loyalties. > > Best Regards, > > Phil Lindsey > > Don Bishop wrote: > > > My great grandfather was a substitute for a Thomas Owens in Saline County, MO. > > He was paid the $300 bounty. However, it was paid in installments. I would > > suppose to be certain he stayed for his full enlistment. > > > > Patricia > > > > Ellen Naliboff wrote: > > > > > The enlistment bonus us $300 in lieu of land. Prior to the Civil War the > > > government had no money but granted Land Warrants to veterans. > > > The CW was the first in which a draft was used to fill the ranks. > > > However, a young man could pay $300 and someone else would serve in his > > > stead. > > > Ellen > > > > > > LLWHALE@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > >Eamonn: It was common to sign up for a $100.00 bounty. My Irish relative, > > > >age 18, did this and died from sickness before his year was up. LInda > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > > >"Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear the > > > >Way!)) Irish Battle Cry > > > > > > > >============================== > > > >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > > >Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > > "Remember Ireland and Fontenoy!" > > > Irish War Cry > > > > > > ============================== > > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > "Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear the > > Way!)) Irish Battle Cry > > > > ============================== > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > your heritage! > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > "Remember Ireland and Fontenoy!" > Irish War Cry > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

A cairde (friends) I've heard it said that Irish recruits were enticed to join the on the Union side in the Civil War with the promise of acres of land west of the Mississippi after the war. Does anybody know if there is any truth in this.? Is mise le meas (yours respectfully) Éamonn Mac an Ultaigh (Eamonn Mc Nulty). Medical Illustration Princess Margaret Hospital Perth Western Australia 6059

I was thinking was thinking of Union veterans. "The Texas Constitution of 1867 authorized the payment of pensions to those who served in the United States military forces during the Civil War. No record exists, however, of any payment being made by the state to Union veterans." Ellen Ann Keegan wrote: >Dia shuit (Hello) > >I know that land grants were given to Widow and Veterns that served in the >Civil War. Virgina, Kentucky and Texas comes to mind.... I did find Texas on >the website http://people.txucom.net/barryjl/fundh.html >Is that what you mean? Aine >----- Original Message ----- >From: "McNulty, Eamonn" <Eamonn.McNulty@health.wa.gov.au> >To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 4:05 AM >Subject: [Civil-War-Irish] > > >>A cairde (friends) >> >>I've heard it said that Irish recruits were enticed to join the on the >> >Union > >>side in the Civil War with the promise of acres of land west of the >>Mississippi after the war. >> >>Does anybody know if there is any truth in this.? >> >>Is mise le meas (yours respectfully) >> >>Éamonn Mac an Ultaigh (Eamonn Mc Nulty). >> >>Medical Illustration >>Princess Margaret Hospital >>Perth >>Western Australia 6059 >> >> >>==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== >>To leave the list, type a message with only the word >> unsubscribe >>in the text and mailto:CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L-request@rootsweb.com >> >>============================== >>Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history >>learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >>http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >> >> > > >==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== >To review past messages, visit the list archives at >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L/ > >============================== >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

Patricia and List, Oddly, Thomas Owens of Saline County was an ancestor of mine, also. And if the substitute was your Carey ancestor of 71st EMM, it is even more interesting for my GGGrandfather Willis Pinkney Lindsey left Boone County and his next door neighbor and Confederate brother to join the Union forces in Saline county and spent time as a Second Corporal in the 71st EMM). So, it looks like we have a double connection (Patricia, I'll write you directly after finishing this email). Ellen made an excellent point about the installments which sheds light on one of the "variations on a theme" regarding bounties in Missouri. Boone County, Missouri was an excellent example. The Boone County Roots Web site has a listing of (I think) over one hundred "Federal" draftees for 1864 and the results thereof. Already being familiar with many of the individuals and names, I knew that most of these men were pro-Southern if not actively fighting for the South. Yet, faced with a Federal draft and having family, farms and future immovably in Boone County, what did these men do? Many furnished "substitutes". Some of these substitutes were induced by cash bounties by the government (if not in Boone County, then certainly others) but what option was there for the draftees who could not find obliging substitutes at $300? I think the answer was informal competitive bargaining. I.E., " If $300 is not enough, how about I throw in $200 of my own?" or " How's about $300 , and you keep the horse and saddle? " Among the draftees of Boone County were some men who had been slaves until the Emancipation Proclamation (of 1/1/1863). It is also a fair guess that after 1862 there were many newly free men ( dispossessed both by Border Warfare and the changing tides of war in Missouri) who were very happy to substitute, bounty or no. There is great irony in thinking about how many Missourians, who would have (or did) fight for the South, could have been forced into a position of having to provide a new Union draftee substitute soldier as a price for maintaining his Southern loyalties. Best Regards, Phil Lindsey Don Bishop wrote: > My great grandfather was a substitute for a Thomas Owens in Saline County, MO. > He was paid the $300 bounty. However, it was paid in installments. I would > suppose to be certain he stayed for his full enlistment. > > Patricia > > Ellen Naliboff wrote: > > > The enlistment bonus us $300 in lieu of land. Prior to the Civil War the > > government had no money but granted Land Warrants to veterans. > > The CW was the first in which a draft was used to fill the ranks. > > However, a young man could pay $300 and someone else would serve in his > > stead. > > Ellen > > > > LLWHALE@aol.com wrote: > > > > >Eamonn: It was common to sign up for a $100.00 bounty. My Irish relative, > > >age 18, did this and died from sickness before his year was up. LInda > > > > > > > > >==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > >"Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear the > > >Way!)) Irish Battle Cry > > > > > >============================== > > >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > >Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > "Remember Ireland and Fontenoy!" > > Irish War Cry > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > "Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear the > Way!)) Irish Battle Cry > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

My great grandfather was a substitute for a Thomas Owens in Saline County, MO. He was paid the $300 bounty. However, it was paid in installments. I would suppose to be certain he stayed for his full enlistment. Patricia Ellen Naliboff wrote: > The enlistment bonus us $300 in lieu of land. Prior to the Civil War the > government had no money but granted Land Warrants to veterans. > The CW was the first in which a draft was used to fill the ranks. > However, a young man could pay $300 and someone else would serve in his > stead. > Ellen > > LLWHALE@aol.com wrote: > > >Eamonn: It was common to sign up for a $100.00 bounty. My Irish relative, > >age 18, did this and died from sickness before his year was up. LInda > > > > > >==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > >"Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear the > >Way!)) Irish Battle Cry > > > >============================== > >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > >Source for Family History Online. Go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > "Remember Ireland and Fontenoy!" > Irish War Cry > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

To Eamonn and The List, Since the time of the French and Indian Wars of 1755-1763 (if not before) and particularly after the Revolution there was a general question of the land between the Alleghenies and "the Western Waters" (the Pacific Ocean). What would be done with it? In 1775 there were any number of Continental Powers claiming some, or all, of it. But by circa 1820, control of all of the land in the Americas (saving Canada) was a question which affected primarily the United States, the Hispanic Republics and the indigenous peoples. Between the end of the Revolution in 1783 and Mexico's defeat in the Mexican-American War of 1846 there developed a philosophy called "Manifest Destiny" (loose translation: "it's there, it's populated only by Indians. Should we take it? Of course! It's our Manifest Destiny!). The Homestead Act of 1862 finalized this notion. Prior to the commencement of hostilities between North and South in 1861 the main question was whether this "new land" would be free or slave. When the South seceded, the Republican controlled Congress passed the Homestead Act of 1862. My own belief is that the Irish who fought for the Union thought of this Act as being the entitling element for owning their own land after the war was over, as opposed to Military Land Grants that had been given out to veterans of the Revolution and the War of 1812. Below is a hotlink to the info showing the mechanics of it. http://www.ultranet.com/~deeds/homestead.htm Sadly, it would turn out that "carpetbagging" (IMHO) would become the primary "to the winner go the spoils" method of rewarding those who fought on the victorious side. And, as is so often the case, it was ultimately the prosperous Patroon from Poughkeepsie who gobbled up the spoils, not the poor private from Kilkenny whom was paid "the bounty" to go to war for him. In my state of Missouri, bounty could have several meanings. A true "enlistment" bounty paid by a government (whatever the amount at the time), a bounty paid by someone who was drafted and who should have served but did not and who paid another man (our Kilkenny private) to fight in his stead, and a few more variations on the theme. But (and please, List, correct me if you know different) there was never a quid pro quo arrangement to provide farmland for Irish fusillade. Similarly, many Blacks were promised "forty acres and a mule" for serving the Union to supplement their freedom but it, too, was a hollow promise. Hope that helps. Best Regards, Phil "McNulty, Eamonn" wrote: > A cairde (friends) > > I've heard it said that Irish recruits were enticed to join the on the Union > side in the Civil War with the promise of acres of land west of the > Mississippi after the war. > > Does anybody know if there is any truth in this.? > > Is mise le meas (yours respectfully) > > Éamonn Mac an Ultaigh (Eamonn Mc Nulty). > > Medical Illustration > Princess Margaret Hospital > Perth > Western Australia 6059 > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > To leave the list, type a message with only the word > unsubscribe > in the text and mailto:CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

The enlistment bonus us $300 in lieu of land. Prior to the Civil War the government had no money but granted Land Warrants to veterans. The CW was the first in which a draft was used to fill the ranks. However, a young man could pay $300 and someone else would serve in his stead. Ellen LLWHALE@aol.com wrote: >Eamonn: It was common to sign up for a $100.00 bounty. My Irish relative, >age 18, did this and died from sickness before his year was up. LInda > > >==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== >"Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear the >Way!)) Irish Battle Cry > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Eamonn: It was common to sign up for a $100.00 bounty. My Irish relative, age 18, did this and died from sickness before his year was up. LInda

----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Bishop" <donbi@concentric.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: [Civil-War-Irish] Fatalities of Civil War > I am looking for information on Robert Carey. He was in the 1st Missouri > Cavalry (Union), Company "M" and then in the 7th Missouri Cavalry. I > don't know which company. How would I find out, other than ordering his > military papers, where he might have enlisted (county) or any other > information about him. > > If he died in the war, how would I find this information? > > There is a good possibility that he was the long lost brother of my > great-grandfather, Simon C. Carey. Simon was born in County Clare, > Ireland. He was in the 1st Missouri Cavalry (Union), Company "M" and > then the 7th Missouri Cavalry, as well. (Company K,L,C). Simon joined > the 71st EMM in Saline County. I don't know if Robert was in the 71st > EMM, also. > > Thank you for any help. > > Patricia Carey Bishop > donbi@concentric.net > > 1st Regiment Cavalry (Missouri) Organized at Jefferson Barracks, Mo., September 6, 1861. Moved to Benton Barracks September 12, thence to Jefferson City, Mo., September 21 (5 Cos.). Other Companies moved to Jefferson City October 4 and Joined Regiment at Tipton, Mo., October 19. Expedition to Lexington October 5-16 (Cos. "C" and "L"). Capture of Lexington October 16 (Cos. "C" and "L"). Warrensburg October 18. Fremont's advance on Springfield, Mo., October 20-26. 1st Battalion (Cos. "A," "C," "D" and "E") moved to Sedalia, Mo., as escort to General Hunter, November; thence to Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, and duty there until May, 1862. Attached to Dept. of Kansas November, 1861, to May, 1862. District of Southwest Missouri, Dept. of Missouri, to October, 1862. 2nd Brigade, 2nd Division, Army of the Frontier, Dept. of Missouri, to February, 1863. 2nd Brigade, 3rd Division, Army of the Frontier, to June, 1863. 1st Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, District of Southeast Missouri, Dept. of Missouri, to August, 1863. Reserve Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, Arkansas Expedition, to December, 1863. 1st Brigade, 1st Division Cavalry, Army of Arkansas, to January, 1864. 1st Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, 7th Army Corps, Dept. of Arkansas, to May, 1864. 3rd Brigade, 1st Division, 7th Army Corps, to September, 1864. (Regiment consolidated to 7 Cos. September 10, 1864.) 2nd Brigade, Cavalry Division, 7th Army Corps, to March, 1865. Separate Brigade, 7th Army Corps, to September, 1865. SERVICE.--Operations about Atchison, Kansas, January 20-24, 1862 (Co. "E"). Pink Hill March 31 (Cos. "C" and "D"). Moved to Independence, Mo., May, 1862, and operating against guerrillas until September, 1862. Scout to Little Blue May 15-17 (Detachment). Independence May 16 (Detachment). Near Sedalia June 5 (Cos. "A," "C" and "E"). Operations in Johnson County June 28-29. Expedition toward Blackwater and Chapel Hill July 6-9. Expedition in Casa County July 9-11. Lotspeach Farm, near Wadesburg, July 9. Sear's House and Big Creek Bluffs, near Pleasant Hill, August 8 (Cos. "A," "C" and "D"). Joined Herron's Division September --. At Rolla, Mo., until June, 1863. Moved to Pilot Knob and Join Davidson's Cavalry Division. Expedition against Little Rock, Ark., July 1-September 10. Pocahontas August 24. Shallow Ford, Bayou Metoe, August 30. Near Shallow Ford September 2. Bayou Fourche and capture of Little Rock September 10. Expedition from Benton to Mt. Ida November 10-18, Caddo Gap November 11. Near Benton December 1. Reconnaissance from Little Rock December 5-13. At Little Rock until March, 1864. Carter's Creek January 23, 1864. Steele's Expedition to Camden March 23-May 3. Rockport March 25. Arkadelphia March 29. Spoonville April 2. Little Missouri River April 6. Prairie D'Ann April 9-12. Camden April 15. Jenkins' Ferry, Saline River, April 30. Operations against Shelby north of Arkansas River May 18-31. Osceola August 2. Benton August 18. Near Pine Bluff August 18. Scout to Benton September 6-7. Reconnaissance to Princeton October 19-23. Expedition to Saline River November 17-18. Expedition to Mt. Elba January 22-February 4, 1865. At Little Rock until September. Mustered out September 1, 1865. 2nd Battalion--(Cos. "B," "H," "I", and "L.") Moved to Otterville, Mo., November, 1861, and duty there until February, 1862. Expedition to Milford December 15-19. Shawnee Mound, Milford, Blackwater River, December 19. Roan's Tan Yard, Silver Creek, January 8, 1862. Joined 3rd Battalion at Lebanon February 9. Attached to 3rd Brigade, Army of Southwest Missouri, Dept. of Missouri, to February, 1862. 2nd Brigade, 3rd Division, Army of Southwest Missouri, to April, 1862. Cassville, Mo., District of Southwest Missouri, to October, 1862. (Detached from 3rd Battalion at Cassville, Mo., April 7.) Unattached, 2nd Division, Army of the Frontier, to January, 1863; then same as 1st Battalion. Advance on Springfield, Mo., February 13-16. Pursuit of Price to Fayetteville, Ark., February 13-16. Skirmish with Price's Rear Guard February 14-15. Bentonville February 17. Sugar Creek February 18. Reconnaissance to Berryville March 3-7. Battles of Pea Ridge March 7-8. Leetown March 7. Elkhorn Tavern March 8. Operations against Stan Wattee March 19-23. At Cross Timbers until April 6. Moved to Cassville April 6-7. Santa Fe Road April 14. Neosho April 26. Near Newtonia August 8. Union Mills August 20. Occupation of Newtonia October 4, Battle of Prairie Grove, Ark., December 7. Expedition over Boston Mountains December 27-29. Dripping Springs and capture of Van Buren December 28. (See 1st Battalion.) 3rd Battalion--(Cos. "F," "G," "K" and "M."). Moved to Rolla, Mo., November, 1861. Expedition against Sam Freeman December --. Stein's Creek, LaClede County, January 1, 1862. Scouting on the Gasconade until January 15, 1862. Attached to 3rd Brigade, Army of Southwest Missouri, Dept. of Missouri, to April, 1862. 2nd Division, Army of Southwest Missouri, to July, 1862. District of Eastern Arkansas, Dept. of Missouri, to December, 1862. 1st Brigade, 3rd Cavalry Division, District of Eastern Arkansas, to January, 1863, Helena, Ark., District of Eastern Arkansas, 13th Army Corps, Dept. of Tennessee, to January, 1863. District Of Memphis, Tenn., 16th Army Corps, to March, 1863. 4th Brigade, District of Memphis, 5th Division, 16th Army Corps, to June, 1863. Dept. of Missouri to December, 1863. New Madrid, Mo., to September, 1864. SERVICE.--Curtis' Campaign in Southwest Missouri January 15-February 16, 1862. Occupation of Lebanon January 26, 1862. Reconnaissance beyond Bolivar February 6-9. Bolivar February 8. Advance on Springfield, Mo., February 10-13. Pursuit of Price to Fayetteville, Ark., February 13-16. Skirmish with Price's Rear Guard February 14-15. Bentonville February 17. Sugar Creek February 18. Reconnaissance to Berryville March 3-7. Battles of Pea Ridge March 6-9. Leetown March 7. Elkhorn Tavern March 8. Operations against Stan Wattee March 1923. At Cross Timbers until April 6. Advance to Forsyth, thence to Batesville April 7-May 5. (Co. "F" detached as escort to General Jeff C. Davis May 10, 1862, and moved to Army of the Tennessee.) March to Helena, Ark., May 25-July 14. Big Indian Creek, White County, May 23. Searcy, White County, May 27. Taberville August 11. Lagrange September 6. Expedition to Lawrenceville and St. Charles September 11-13. Expedition from Helena to Lagrange September 26. Near Helena October 11. Expedition from Helena to Moro November 5-8. At Helena, Ark., until January 29, 1863. Moved to Memphis, Tenn., and duty there until June. Carter's Creek Pike April 27. Expedition to Hernando May 23-24 and May 26 (Detachments). Scouts toward Hernando May 27-28 (Detachment). Operations in Northwest Mississippi June 15-25. Coldwater, near Hernando, June 19 (Detachment). Hernando June 20. Moved to St. Louis, Mo., June 30-July 3; thence to Cape Girardeau escorting train July 20-27. March to Bloomfield and return to Cape Girardeau August 1-6. Expedition to Pocahontas August 17-27. Pocahontas August 24. At Cape Girardeau and Pilot Knob until October 23, and at Bloomfield until December 14. Moved to New Madrid, Mo., and duty there until September, 1864. In swamps of Little River April 6, 1864. Scout to Gainesville, Ark., May 10-25. Expedition to Carruthersville July 5-10. Operations in Southeast Missouri and Northeast Arkansas July 18-August 6. Company "F" served detached as escort to General Jeff C. Davis, commanding 4th Division, Army of Mississippi, to September, 1862; then with Headquarters, 9th Division, 3rd Corps, Army of Ohio, to November, 1862. 1st Division, Right Wing 14th Army Corps, Army of the Cumberland, to January, 1863. 1st Division, 20th Army Corps, Army of the Cumberland, to October, 1863. At Headquarters, Dept. of Missouri, to August, 1864. Siege of Corinth, Miss., April 29-May 30, 1862. Campaign against Bragg in Kentucky October, 1862. Stone River Campaign December, 1862-January, 1863. Weem's Springs August 19, 1863. Regiment lost during service 2 Officers and 51 Enlisted men killed and mortally wounded and 2 Officers and 179 Enlisted men by disease. Total 234. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ 7th Regiment Cavalry (Missouri) Organized February 20, 1862, by consolidation of Black Hawk Cavalry and Unattached Companies. Attached to Dept. of Kansas to June, 1862. District of Southwest Missouri, Dept. of Missouri, to October, 1862. 1st Brigade, 2nd Division, Army of the Frontier, Dept. of Missouri, to June, 1863. 1st Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, District of Southeast Missouri, Dept. of Missouri, to August, 1863. 1st Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, Arkansas Expedition, to January, 1864. 1st Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, 7th Army Corps, Dept. of Arkansas, to May, 1864. Clayton's Independent Cavalry Brigade, 7th Army Corps, to September, 1864. 1st Brigade, Cavalry Division, 7th Army Corps, to February, 1865. 2nd Brigade, Cavalry Division, 7th Army Corps, to February, 1865. SERVICE.--Operations about Miami and Waverly May 25-28, 1862. Scouts to Waverly, Miami, Franklin and Pink Hill June 4-10 (Cos. "H" and "I"). Pink Hill June 11 (Detachment). Haytown June 23 (Co. "B") Operations about Sibley and Pink Hill June 28-July 1 (Cos. "B," "D," "F" and "K"). Lotspeach Farm, near Wadesburg, July 9. Expeditions in Cass County July 9-11; on Blackwater, near Columbus, July 23. Lone Jack August 16 (5 Cos,). Occupation of Newtonia October 4. Battle of Prairie Grove, Ark., December 7. Van Buren December 21. Expedition over Boston Mountains December 27-29. Moved to Flat Creek February, 1863; thence to Rolla, Mo. Operations against Marmaduke April 17-May 2. At Pilot Knob, Mo., until July. Brownsville, Ark., July 25. Steele's Expedition against Little Rock, Ark., August 1-September 10. Grand Prairie August 17. Brownsville August 25. Bayou Fourche and capture of Little Rock September 10. Pursuit of Price September 11-14. Near Little Rock September 11. Expedition from Benton to Mt, Ida November 10-18. Reconnaissance from Little Rock December 5-13. Princeton December 8. Branchville January 17, 1864. Monticello March 18, 1864. Steele's Expedition to Camden March 23-May 3. Expedition from Pine Bluff to Mr. Elba and Longview March 27-31. Mt. Elba March 30 and pursuit to Big Creek. Mark's Mills April 25 (Detachment). Expedition from Pine Bluff September 9-11. Near Monticello September 10 (Detachment). Brewer's Lane September 11 (Detachment). Reconnaissance from Little Rock toward Monticello and Mt. Elba October 4-11. Expedition from Pine Bluff and skirmish January 7-9, 1865 (Detachment). Near Pine Bluff January 9. Consolidated with 1st Missouri Cavalry February 22, 1865. Regiment lost during service 4 Officers and 55 Enlisted men killed and mortally wounded and 4 Officers and 228 Enlisted men by disease. Total 291. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ National Archives and Records Administration http://www.nara.gov/ Desoto Joe/The Record Man

Thank you so much for your suggestion. I don't, but I do know someone who does. Your help is very much appreciated. Patricia Bishop JeremiahH@aol.com wrote: > Ms. Bishop, If you live near St. Louis you can get his military record at the > St. Louis Public Library.They have Confederate and Union Service Records of > Missouri Veterans on microfilm. > > Regards, > 19 Arkansas Infantry, Cleburnes > Division > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > To leave the list, type a message with only the word > unsubscribe > in the text and mailto:CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Ms. Bishop, If you live near St. Louis you can get his military record at the St. Louis Public Library.They have Confederate and Union Service Records of Missouri Veterans on microfilm. Regards, 19 Arkansas Infantry, Cleburnes Division

I am looking for information on Robert Carey. He was in the 1st Missouri Cavalry (Union), Company "M" and then in the 7th Missouri Cavalry. I don't know which company. How would I find out, other than ordering his military papers, where he might have enlisted (county) or any other information about him. If he died in the war, how would I find this information? There is a good possibility that he was the long lost brother of my great-grandfather, Simon C. Carey. Simon was born in County Clare, Ireland. He was in the 1st Missouri Cavalry (Union), Company "M" and then the 7th Missouri Cavalry, as well. (Company K,L,C). Simon joined the 71st EMM in Saline County. I don't know if Robert was in the 71st EMM, also. Thank you for any help. Patricia Carey Bishop donbi@concentric.net

"McNulty, Eamonn" wrote: > > Were there any large break outs made during the civil war and were the Irish > involved in any?? -------------------------- The largest was from Libby Prison in Richmond on 9 Feb 1864, when 109 Union officer POWs escaped through a 53 foot tunnel. At least a few Irishmen were involved. 59 were successful in reaching Union lines, 48 were recaptured, 2 drowned. A list of 104 of the escapees is at: http://www.mdgorman.com/story_of_the_famous_tunnel_escap.htm More stuff - mostly newspaper articles at the time - is at: http://www.mdgorman.com/libby_prison_breakout.htm BTW, check out Mike Gorman's Civil War Richmond home page - http://www.mdgorman.com/ It's a gold mine with maps, photos, info on hospitals, prisons and other sites...IMO definitely one of the best ACW sites on the web. Dennis

http://www.civilwarstlouis.com/History/arthurmccoy.htm Desoto Joe/The Record Man

MHI Photograph Database http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usamhi/PhotoDB.html#Ordering Desoto Joe/The Record Man