At 06:00 PM 05/30/2000 -0700, you wrote: >CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 66 >Unsubscribe >Today's Topics: > #1 The Saint Louis Irish ["Desoto Joe" <joey@jcn1.com>] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-D, send a message to > > CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 01:59:51 -0500 >From: "Desoto Joe" <joey@jcn1.com> >To: CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <00d501bfca04$a7d690c0$91d2bbce@w95s> >Subject: The Saint Louis Irish >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/irish.htm > >Desoto Joe/The Record Man >

I believe I am now able to send out the 69 letters of Josiah Staley if anyone still wants them. I have them on my computer, just need to send them and see if it works, Jo Eileen.

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Hi Genealogists: Celebrate Memorial Day by remembering and tracking your ancestors during their war years. We have a special chat schedule covering 4 wars....join us for the history and the genealogy: (also other topics during the day) http://huntsville.about.com/mpchat.htm Monday's Holiday schedule: (subtract 1 hr. for Central; 2 hrs. for Mt.; 3 for Pacific) 9-11 am Eastern: All states EAST of the MISSISSIPPI River 11 am Eastern: World War I genealogy chat 12 noon Eastern: World War II genealogy chat 1-3 pm Eastern: Mid-Western States genealogy chat 3-5 pm Eastern: Revolutionary War genealogy chat 5-7 pm Eastern: Civil War genealogy chat 7 pm Eastern: Great Britain genealogy chat 8 pm Eastern: STREETER family chat 9 pm Eastern: ROBERTS family chat 10 pm Eastern: "Potluck" genealogy chat (every state, every surname) 11 pm Eastern: Genealogy Research Tips/Hints/Questions Feel free to stop by the forum and post your queries, too: http://about.delphi.com/ab-huntsville If you need instructions for the chat room or the forum, just let me know. Jean Brandau huntsville2@earthlink.net

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A chairde, Anyone who's interested in helping out Sgt Kerins please write him at "TONY KERINS" <MILHERITAGE@hotmail.com> Dennis mailto:fran@ees.eesc.com - ---------------------------- TONY KERINS wrote: > > please send an initial reply to my mail I am a Company Sergeant in the Irish Defence Forces currently working on a project which includes the building of an Irish Military Heritage Site. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated in the form of references or pictures. > > Regards > > Tony Kerins > Coy/Sgt

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Irish Dragoons (Naughton's Cavalry Company) Organized at Jefferson City by authority of Gen Fremont September 11, 1861, to be attached to 23rd Illinois Irish Brigade. Expedition to Lexington October 5-16. Lexington October 16. Johnstown October 24. Assigned to 3rd Missouri Cavalry as Company "L" and to 5th Iowa Cavalry, "Curtis Horse," as Company "L," November, 1861. Desoto Joe/The Record Man

Hi Gary, Karen and List, When I first saw Karen's note that a wealthy newspaper owner had been drafted and that George Falk had been his substitute, I immediately thought of W. F. Switzler of Boone County, Missouri, a prominent newspaper man. Then I saw that it was Jefferson County and noted the coincidence but let it pass as such. But when Gary wrote, I realized that the best answer was the coincidence itself, which is preserved on the web in the Boone County site. There are some of my own relatives, both direct and collateral, on the Federal Draft of 1864 list of Boone County, Missouri. The details that have been added to the 1864 Federal Draft list of Boone County is an education in itself as well as providing a direct and expanded answer to Gary's question. Please stop by for a visit. http://www.synapse.com/bocomogenweb/CIVILW15.HTM I should also note that, since Sterling Price has been the subject of recent posts, that by visiting the above page you will find a link back to the Boone County Genweb page where there is a list of soldiers killed at the Battle of Centralia on 9/27/1864. This was right before Price turned west and headed upriver past Lexington (which was also discussed) and on to Kansas City. You will find Irish names on both lists, from the new arrivals to sons of the long lineages that founded this country. Best Wishes, Phil Gary Welch wrote: > During the Civil War it was indeed possible to pay someone to take your > place in the draft. Here is a good article about it on the NARA web site: > > http://www.nara.gov/publications/prologue/meier.html > > I've wondered whether paying someone really provided a substitute since, > presumably, that person was also subject to the draft. > > >I have heard a family rumor that another GGgrandfather (George Falk-he was > >German so I won't elaborate since he was not Irish) enlisted for someone > else > >in Jefferson Co., Missouri. Would this have been recorded or documented in > >any way? The rumor is that a wealthy newspaper owner in the area would pay > >someone $500.00 to sign up for him and George was the "winner" although he > >died at Walnut Hill just prior to the Battle of Vicksburg serving only 8 > >months. I have wondered why he joined with a daughter who was only about 4 > >months old so if he was paid that would make a bit of sense (which we all > >know sometimes our ancestors didn't make sense!) > > >Indebted, > > >Karen Stephenson > >OKC, OK > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

During the Civil War it was indeed possible to pay someone to take your place in the draft. Here is a good article about it on the NARA web site: http://www.nara.gov/publications/prologue/meier.html I've wondered whether paying someone really provided a substitute since, presumably, that person was also subject to the draft. >I have heard a family rumor that another GGgrandfather (George Falk-he was >German so I won't elaborate since he was not Irish) enlisted for someone else >in Jefferson Co., Missouri. Would this have been recorded or documented in >any way? The rumor is that a wealthy newspaper owner in the area would pay >someone $500.00 to sign up for him and George was the "winner" although he >died at Walnut Hill just prior to the Battle of Vicksburg serving only 8 >months. I have wondered why he joined with a daughter who was only about 4 >months old so if he was paid that would make a bit of sense (which we all >know sometimes our ancestors didn't make sense!) >Indebted, >Karen Stephenson >OKC, OK

--part1_78.591416e.265aed90_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/21/00 10:39:04 AM Central Daylight Time, irish9@adelphia.net writes: << The soldier had to serve 1 full year not 100 days for citizenship for the State of Pennsylvania. Normally they would have to wait 5 years to become citizen but during the war if they served a year they were granted it early. I have my ancestors papers from Schuylkill Co Pa the part where it says 5 years is crossed out and wriiten above is 1 years service US Army. Unfortunately his regiment was not listed I was lead to understand from Clerk in Court House was all they had to do was show their discharge papers and they were granted citizenship. Joe Kelly >> Hi, I was hoping someone might enlighten me more on this. Was the required time to serve to gain citizenship different for each state? What additional benefits did an immigrant receive by citizenship? Where would the record be of citizenship? On a county level? I have the citizenship papers of a couple of Irish immigrants (Carrothers) in Delaware Co., Iowa but a cousin got them and I don't know where he got them. I have heard a family rumor that another GGgrandfather (George Falk-he was German so I won't elaborate since he was not Irish) enlisted for someone else in Jefferson Co., Missouri. Would this have been recorded or documented in any way? The rumor is that a wealthy newspaper owner in the area would pay someone $500.00 to sign up for him and George was the "winner" although he died at Walnut Hill just prior to the Battle of Vicksburg serving only 8 months. I have wondered why he joined with a daughter who was only about 4 months old so if he was paid that would make a bit of sense (which we all know sometimes our ancestors didn't make sense!) Indebted, Karen Stephenson OKC, OK --part1_78.591416e.265aed90_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (rly-yg02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.2]) by air-yg02.mail.aol.com (v73.13) with ESMTP; Sun, 21 May 2000 11:39:04 -0400 Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [209.85.6.27]) by rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Sun, 21 May 2000 11:38:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20379; Sun, 21 May 2000 08:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 08:38:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Sender: irish9@adelphia.net Sun May 21 08:37:59 2000 Message-ID: <000701bfc33a$4bbc14c0$4f5b3018@oemcomputer.dov.adelphia.net> From: "irish9" <irish9@adelphia.net> Old-To: "irish civil war" <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-l@rootsweb.com> Subject: citizenship Civil War Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:36:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <mM-Ml.A.X9E.ZLAK5@bl-11.rootsweb.com> To: CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/434 X-Loop: CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L-request@rootsweb.com The soldier had to serve 1 full year not 100 days for citizenship for the State of Pennsylvania. Normally they would have to wait 5 years to become citizen but during the war if they served a year they were granted it early. I have my ancestors papers from Schuylkill Co Pa the part where it says 5 years is crossed out and wriiten above is 1 years service US Army. Unfortunately his regiment was not listed I was lead to understand from Clerk in Court House was all they had to do was show their discharge papers and they were granted citizenship. Joe Kelly - --------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ --part1_78.591416e.265aed90_boundary--

----- Original Message ----- From: irish9 <irish9@adelphia.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 10:36 AM Subject: citizenship Civil War > The soldier had to serve 1 full year not 100 days for citizenship for the State of Pennsylvania. Normally they would have to wait 5 years to become citizen but during the war if they served a year they were granted it early. I have my ancestors papers from Schuylkill Co Pa the part where it says 5 years is crossed out and wriiten above is 1 years service US Army. Unfortunately his regiment was not listed I was lead to understand from Clerk in Court House was all they had to do was show their discharge papers and they were granted citizenship. Joe Kelly **************************************************************************** *********** Try looking here: http://www.rootsweb.com/~paschuyl/schuylki.htm Desoto Joe/The Record Man

In a message dated 5/21/00 11:03:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Reganne@aol.com writes: << He was a Pennsylvania volunteer. >> What was his name and home state? MJ

The soldier had to serve 1 full year not 100 days for citizenship for the State of Pennsylvania. Normally they would have to wait 5 years to become citizen but during the war if they served a year they were granted it early. I have my ancestors papers from Schuylkill Co Pa the part where it says 5 years is crossed out and wriiten above is 1 years service US Army. Unfortunately his regiment was not listed I was lead to understand from Clerk in Court House was all they had to do was show their discharge papers and they were granted citizenship. Joe Kelly - --------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/

Hi, My Great Grandfather fought in the Civil War. He came over from Ireland and we assume that his 100 days gave him citizenship. Would there be any documents to support this? He was a Pennsylvania volunteer. Thanks for any help you can give. Regina

----- Original Message ----- From: Philip Lindsey <galloglas@pars.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 12:02 PM Subject: Re: A Worthy Link > Pam, > > Sorry. I thought I replied to this one, but I guess not. > There were two two Battles of Lexington and it sounds like this one > refers to the second one. The first was the Battle of the Hemp Bales and > the second when Price made his 1864 raid into Missouri which dissolved in > defeat at the Batlle of Westport. > Anything I write about the Civil War in Missouri is available for > correction by esteemed member De Soto Joe who knows absolutely everything > about the Civil War in Missouri. Some much so, I will ask for his ID if we > ever meet to ensure that he is not old enough to have been a War > Correspondent at that time. <grin> > There is a site that has a synopsis of each/most Civil War battles > fought in this state. I, of course, am presently lacking the URL which will > only be found after DeSoto Joe sees this email and posts it to the list. I > think that site (and whatever else Joe might think appropriate) would give > some welcome background to the 1926 notes you have. > > Slan, > > Phil > **************************************************************************** *********** 15th Regiment Cavalry (Kansas) Organized at Leavenworth September and October, 1863. Attached to District of the Border, Dept. of Missouri, to January, 1864. Dept. of Kansas to June, 1864. Districts of North and South Kansas, Dept. Missouri, to October, 1865. SERVICE.--Assigned to duty at Leavenworth and at various points in Southern Kansas, at Olathe, Paola, Coldwater Grove, Trading Post, Fort Scott, Osage Mission and Humboldt by detachments (Co. "H" at Fort Riley) until October, 1864. Skirmish at Clear Creek, Mo., May 16, 1864 (Detachments of Companies "D" and "L"). Scout from Fort Leavenworth to Weston, Mo., June 13-16, 1864. Expedition into Missouri June 16-20 (Cos. "B," "C" and "G"). Price's Raid in Missouri and Kansas September to November. Lexington October 19. Little Blue October 21. Independence, Big Blue and State Line October 22. Westport October 23. Coldwater Grove, Osage, October 24. Mine Creek, Little Osage River, and battle of Charlot October 25. Newtonia October 28. Duty in Dept. of Kansas and Dept. of the Missouri until October, 1865. Mustered out October 19, 1865. Company "H" mustered out December 7, 1865. Regiment lost during service 2 Officers and 19 Enlisted men killed and mortally wounded and 2 Officers and 77 Enlisted men by disease. Total 100. **************************************************************************** ********** I would recommend these sites: The 15th Kansas Volunteer Cavalry http://skyways.lib.ks.us/museums/kng/15ksvls.html Muster Rolls; (how to get them for the 15th) http://www.kshs.org/archives/cwarch.htm Civil War Battles in Missouri http://www.shorock.com/para/civilwar/battles/missouri.htm Picture of Major General SAMUEL R. CURTIS http://northcoast.com/~spdtom/american/graphics/am-71.jpg Desoto Joe/The Record Man

JIMB856@aol.com wrote: > > ...the old gent is dressed in his Sunday finest including top hat, > and wearing some sort of ribbon displayed prominently on his coat. > ...Could anyone venture a guess as to what we have here? Or suggest > where I could get more information on possible reunions... - ------------------------------ My guess is it's another reunion ribbon - both the UCV and GAR had them. These identified the veteran as a participant at the event and were often saved by the vets as mementos of the occasion. Nowadays you see them at CW shows either for sale or as displays; on-line, you might find some examples on e-bay and the like. The best source on Confederate reunions is Confederate Veteran, a magazine which was published from 1893 to 1932. Dennis mailto:fran@ees.eesc.com

Pam, Sorry. I thought I replied to this one, but I guess not. There were two two Battles of Lexington and it sounds like this one refers to the second one. The first was the Battle of the Hemp Bales and the second when Price made his 1864 raid into Missouri which dissolved in defeat at the Batlle of Westport. Anything I write about the Civil War in Missouri is available for correction by esteemed member De Soto Joe who knows absolutely everything about the Civil War in Missouri. Some much so, I will ask for his ID if we ever meet to ensure that he is not old enough to have been a War Correspondent at that time. <grin> There is a site that has a synopsis of each/most Civil War battles fought in this state. I, of course, am presently lacking the URL which will only be found after DeSoto Joe sees this email and posts it to the list. I think that site (and whatever else Joe might think appropriate) would give some welcome background to the 1926 notes you have. Slan, Phil randysaba wrote: > Dear Philip, > > Thank you for that link. There I found a link to "Price's last Mo. > Raid". Price is of particular interest to me because he was mentioned > in the only story that survives told by my GrGrandfather of the war. I > have posted it before, but it's short and I'll repeat it here: > > taken from a handwritten note with the notation "Papa gave me this few > incidents while I was at home in 1926" > > "Underfire first time at Lexington, Mo. General Curtis (Union), Sgt > Quinnn. > > General Price (Rebel) > > Every 4th man in Cavalry holds horses. > > Broke Saber over fence after falling. > > 2 men alive out of 20. > > Retreated to Kansas City, destroyed bridge across Blue." > > My Great Grandfather was the above mentioned Sgt. Quinn (Robert Moffit > Quinn). It also states: "Co. G 15th Kansas Cavalry > Enlisted Sept. 12, 1863 at St. Joseph, Mo. > Discharged Oct. 19, 1865 Ft Leavenworth, Kansas" > > Since I have so far been unable to obtain his military records, I am > glad for any insight into his experience. > > Thanks again, > > Pam > > Philip Lindsey wrote: > > > Dear List, > > > > For anyone who has taken the time to subscribe to this > > list, it is truly worth while to visit the link listed > > below. > > Our people have been charcterized so often, and in so > > many different ways (both good and ill) that this link may > > provide a happy medium. It is a fine, broad and sweeping > > look into the history of the Irish in but one chapter of > > American History. And it is fun, to boot! > > This list has great potential. The very name > > Civil-War-Irish gives enough latitude for volumes to be > > written... as, indeed, there have been. But the key to a > > great list is activity, subject, agenda and focus (IMHO). > > Sadly, Josiah Staley has gone to his reward and we will hear > > him no more. Yet, his story is but one in millions. So where > > to now? Maybe a trip through this link will generate some > > ideas. > > One (of many) ideas that struck me again as I visited > > this site has to do with the tremendous skill of the Irish > > in the use of the English language. At the site are many > > examples of the Irish using that ability in persuasion. I am > > much reminded of how the Irish, using nothing but music and > > song, decimated the military recruiting efforts of the > > British in Ireland over and over and over and over and over. > > And that which the Irish have done to the British with word > > and for over four hundred years was done by different > > Irishmen, both Union and Confederate, during our Civil War. > > It is not for nothing that Queen Elizabeth the First shouted > > "Kill all the poets and minstrels!!" (in Ireland). > > Take a look, please. I'd like very much to discover what > > the list is interested in. > > > > http://www.geocities.com/~sterlingprice/kelly.htm > > > > Slan, > > > > Phil