William Flinter enlisted in the 37th N.Y.volunteer Infantry ( Irish Rifles) on 15 Aug. 1862 from NYC when he was 33 years of age. In 1862 a law was passed that said that any honorably discharged vet over the age of 21 could apply for citizenship by petition. Does anyone have any info re, this or where one would search for the info if one were seeking info about an individual? Jim Flinter

Yes lets get back on subject. But lets also continue to stop dead in its tracks totally inaccurate statements by hit and run posters. Joe kelly - --------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/

Friends, Let's get off this SLAVE thing. Slavery was one of many causes for the war. Slavery was not THE cause of the war. Let's talk about those brave Irishmen, North and South, who fought and died for what they felt was right. Ronnie ----- Original Message ----- From: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 3:00 PM Subject: CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-D Digest V00 #74

I have an old (1970) copy of the Statistical Abstract of the United States. It doesn't break out slavery by regions but for 1820 (the earliest date on both tables) it shows about 1.5 million total slaves in the U.S. but only about 130,000 Negroes in the North and North Central regions of the country. I believe that most Northern states had had either totally abolished or were phasing out slavery by then. (e.g. New York passed a manumission law in 1799 that said all persons born after that date would be free as would all slaves under 55 who could show they would be self-sufficient.) -----Original Message----- From: irish9 [mailto:irish9@adelphia.net] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 1:53 PM To: CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: slavery in the north Can someone please supply census data to back up the statement that slavery was more prominent in the north.? Also the intent was to save the Union from traitors who wanted to destroy it. Men like Lee who took a Oath to the United States of America to defend her and Not to bear arms agaist her, were traitors. Today they would be courtmartialed and jailed for their acts of treason, if they were active duty officers. The common northern soldier fought for the flag not to free the slaves and populate the south with them , where they were all living any way for the most part. I do agree it was wrong move in taken down the Rebel monuments in Texas that is history. On the other hand the flag flying in South Carolina is racist. It is NOT the Confederate flag nor is was it ever the 3x5 rebel flag flying there is the confederate naval jack and the symbol of the KKK. It NEVER flew over any Confederate Goverment buildings nor was carried by the troops . The Stars and Bars 3 strips with! 11 stars in a circle was the official Confederate flag which was replaced in 1863 with the Stainless banner which was a Battle flag on a field of white. Your typical rebel yahoo does not even know what the Confederate flag looks like but wants to support the racist banner put up in during segregation. And for the record I am anti NAACP and to the right of Pat Buchanan but I hate it when I see history being rewriitten by those who dont know what the hell they are talking about.Joe Kelly - --------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/

Thank you Joe Kelly, That newsletter to which you referred was the first one I had received. I was ready to write off the Civil war Irish Digest and look elsewhere. Thanks again.......JIM FLINTER

Can someone please supply census data to back up the statement that slavery was more prominent in the north.? Also the intent was to save the Union from traitors who wanted to destroy it. Men like Lee who took a Oath to the United States of America to defend her and Not to bear arms agaist her, were traitors. Today they would be courtmartialed and jailed for their acts of treason, if they were active duty officers. The common northern soldier fought for the flag not to free the slaves and populate the south with them , where they were all living any way for the most part. I do agree it was wrong move in taken down the Rebel monuments in Texas that is history. On the other hand the flag flying in South Carolina is racist. It is NOT the Confederate flag nor is was it ever the 3x5 rebel flag flying there is the confederate naval jack and the symbol of the KKK. It NEVER flew over any Confederate Goverment buildings nor was carried by the troops . The Stars and Bars 3 strips with 11 stars in a circle was the official Confederate flag which was replaced in 1863 with the Stainless banner which was a Battle flag on a field of white. Your typical rebel yahoo does not even know what the Confederate flag looks like but wants to support the racist banner put up in during segregation. And for the record I am anti NAACP and to the right of Pat Buchanan but I hate it when I see history being rewriitten by those who dont know what the hell they are talking about.Joe Kelly - --------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/

-----Original Message----- From: flora newby <newby@getus.com> To: CIVIL WAR LIST <CIVIL-WAR@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, June 16, 2000 9:54 AM Subject: War or not I have been doing genealogy for 30 years and its pretty sorry what our country has come to.General Robert E Lee was one of the finest gentlemen,a good Christian Man that loved the South,and his country.I think we as Americans should boycott any businesses that cater to the NAACP and I urge everyone like a committee to locate and post that information.If you are in Houston Aikeem owns almost half the Denny Restaurants do not eat there.Bush should not have removed anything without putting it to a vote,I mean this is our country,not the politicians.Do you know that Lincoln's own family had slaves up until the end of the CW almost,Grant had his slaves and did not free them until the end of the War almost.Slavery was more prominent in the North than in the South.When the North decided to invade the South,the internet was to free the Slaves and then encourage them to live in the South after the War ended.Malcolm X,Black Panthers they are Communist organizations.If you study History NAACP you to stand for the National Association for the Advancement of the Communist Party.We need to rewrite the history books,that is how the government try's to control this country ,with their old facts ,most of the truth they hide.I plead with all of you,boycott the places and call write or email your reps and tell them enough is enough,We are Americans and we control this country not them,Bush would never get my vote after selling us all out Flora Newby in Spring Texas

Tell it like it is Flora! You got my vote for President! Tom! flora newby wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: flora newby <newby@getus.com> > To: CIVIL WAR LIST <CIVIL-WAR@rootsweb.com> > Date: Friday, June 16, 2000 9:54 AM > Subject: War or not > > I have been doing genealogy for 30 years and its pretty sorry what our country has come to.General Robert E Lee was one of the finest gentlemen,a good Christian Man that loved the South,and his country.I think we as Americans should boycott any businesses that cater to the NAACP and I urge everyone like a committee to locate and post that information.If you are in Houston Aikeem owns almost half the Denny Restaurants do not eat there.Bush should not have removed anything without putting it to a vote,I mean this is our country,not the politicians.Do you know that Lincoln's own family had slaves up until the end of the CW almost,Grant had his slaves and did not free them until the end of the War almost.Slavery was more prominent in the North than in the South.When the North decided to invade the South,the internet was to free the Slaves and then encourage them to live in the South after the War ended.Malcolm X,Black Panthers they are Communist organizations.If you study Histor! > y NAACP you to stand for the National Association for the Advancement of the Communist Party.We need to rewrite the history books,that is how the government try's to control this country ,with their old facts ,most of the truth they hide.I plead with all of you,boycott the places and call write or email your reps and tell them enough is enough,We are Americans and we control this country not them,Bush would never get my vote after selling us all out Flora Newby in Spring Texas > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/

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Hi List, I just happened to run into this story on my hard disk. Knew it was there and had wanted to send it before when some other thing had reminded me of it but then, of course, it was not to be found. At any rate, we all know the sterotype which we ourselves (( "we ourselves"??... I must be playing jokes on myself... (for in Irish that can be read as "Sinn Fein")... but the play on words was entirely unintentional)) are often guilty of perpetuating. However this is a true story, the account of which was given in 1919 in the Eldon Advertiser, the local newspaper in Miller County, Missouri. Official accounts of the action can be found online, written at an earlier date and in more formal tones, when this somewhat whimsical recounting would have been found less amusing. It is harder to find the humor when the bodies, still fresh in the earth, are one's contemporaries rather than one's ancestors. So, with that, I'll let you have it... Slan agat, Phil December 11, 1919 Eldon Advertiser COURTHOUSE AT TUSCUMBIA FORTIFIED FOR ATTACK Sixteen Men Killed at Mining Post Ford on Osage River above Bagnell Sanford Jefferies, 82 years old, now of Eldon, came to Miller County when 16 years old. His parents moved her from Russell County, Kentucky coming from there on the Mississippi river to St. Louis and on the Missouri to Jefferson City, and from there they followed the Osage river, driving an ox team, to Tuscumbia and located on the Wet Glaze. Mr. Jefferies cast his first vote for president for Abraham Lincoln. He remembers distinctly the following war incident. During Price's raids in Missouri while Mr. Jeffries' regiment was stationed at Jefferson City under command of his brother, Captain Ben Jeffries, it became known that Price's army would make an attack on Tuscumbia and Captain Jeffries regiment was ordered to Tuscumbia to prepare for the attack. A large cannon was mounted on a platform in the door of the court house, the barrel pointing straight down the old road which at that time was the only road leading to the courthouse. The courthouse was full of soldiers, two were stationed at each window with their guns ready for immediate action and others ready to take their places as fast as they would fire. Guards were placed along the river below the hill to give warning of the approach of the enemy, One of these guards, Mike Gleson, an Irishman, happened to be stationed near a small warehouse where several barrels of whiskey had been stored. The odor created too strong a temptation for his appetite and by making use of his bayonet, he bored a hole in one of the barrels taking an oversupply for good service. While thus intoxicated he was disturbed by a dark object approaching and having been given orders to call halt three times and then fire if no response was made, one of the other guards heard his say, "Halt couple o' three time" and then the report of his gun aroused the regiment on the hill to alert readiness for the enemy which proved to be a stray cow Mike had killed in the dark. After this Captain Jeffries, Joe Worth, Albert Harrison and Sam Salsmon were killed by bushwhackers in the lane near Kiaser and a company of soldiers stationed at Linn Creek, hearing of the fight, went in pursuit and overtook the rebels at Mining Post Ford, above Bagnell where they killed sixteen. Mr. Jefferies camped near where Eldon is now located at one time during the war when it was dangerous to camp out in the open here.

Sorry had a sick grandson for two days, he is only six and I am raising him, will get to the letters tomorrow morning, be patient, I have you all down in hard copy so there is no room for error, Jo. Slan go foill! ( Bye for now )

<> I would love to recieve copies of the letters, if it is not too late (I haven't checked my e-mail in quite awhile, still trying to catchh up on old messages...) ~Thank you again, Crystal Adams

Would any who wanted the Staley Civil War Letters and did not receive them, please send a request and I will get them out now. I find that I can send them all at once, so some have them and some don't. Then there are a few more requests for pics. Let me know, Jo E-Mail "Staleygeni@aol.com" JO

A chairde, Here's something worth checking out - "The Irish in America", written by John Francis Maguire and published in 1868, is online (and also available for downloading) at: http://moa.umdl.umich.edu/cgi/sgml/moa-idx?notisid=ABL3952 Maguire was a member of Parliament who visited America to find out how the Irish immigrants were getting along in the New World. As a result of his visit, he wrote this history and commentary of their experience. In the chapter on the Civil War, he offers contemporary insights on the character and behavior of the Irish soldier, both North and South. Dennis mailto:fran@ees.eesc.com Sterling Heights Michigan

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Hello Jo, My ISP can take about any size files so I would be delighted to recieve Josiah's letters. Also, if you are able to transmit the photos you have I would be doubly delighted. Slan agat, Phil Staleygeni@aol.com wrote: > I believe I am now able to send out the 69 letters of Josiah Staley if anyone > still wants them. I have them on my computer, just need to send them and see > if it works, Jo Eileen. > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

In rereading my note, I realized that my trite comment on "feeling like an abused wife" was not so funny, my apologies to anyone who may have been offended., BEFORE I receive any retorts. It was out of place and I would have resented it if I were an abused wife as my daughter was for so very long. Sorry, I herewith extend my sincere apologies to all, especially to those who may have suffered the same. Jo Eileen.

Wonderful response, I guess they were appreciated, I will methodically take them and send them on, TOMORROW one at a time until all 48 of you receive them. No, there were not that many, but a great many requests and that was my goal , to share them with any and all who are interested. They are the history of this Country and I would love for them to be treasured by any and all who care. Jo Eileen as Phil says "slan agat" I wonder about my intelligence, I just cannot remember all of his gaelic verbiage, it must be that he has youth on his side and I am just recovering from having my throat slit ( tumor removed) I look like a spousal abuse victim, I am black and blue from the face down. Now I know what it feels like to be a "beaten woman" te he. As I said, I will start tomorrow one at a time including those that did not receive the photos, I will resend them again. Many who did not receive , eventually did receive them. I guess , No. l. I did something wrong the other times, as I am a complete novice on this computer. My husband bought it for me, then we started divorce proceedings and here I am, left with a computer I know little abou and hate anything technical, so will not open a book on it or play a CD, etc. whatever to learn it, I just may hire a private tutor as I do my exercise trainer and golf instructor, I like that idea. JO Eileen in Michigan. More to come. Thanks all for your patience, I have never seen a patient Irishman or lass, not in my family at least. JEK