Hi Keith I just had another thought it could quiet possibly my nana's mothers brother John Wakelin b 1860 Tetford Lincoln, England if that picture according to the uniform was around 1881 that would make him aprox 20 yrs old , and I cant find any other records for him also put my frazzled brain down to xmas please ::)) Thank you Debbie Debbie @ dodo ----- Original Message ----- From: "keith d bailey" <kbailey@frontiernet.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] RE Help for Uniform Please > Debbie, > > I need to see more detail to know for sure. If you have a higher resolution > copy of the photo available to send in Email form, send one to me at > kbailey@frontiernet.net and I will try to help you identify the uniform. > Please include as much of the image as possible, even his face. A 200 dpi > resolution would probably work the best. > > Also, include more information on "uncle Jack" or the family he connects > with . > Keith Bailey > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "deb" <spare1@dodo.com.au> > To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 3:43 AM > Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] RE Help for Uniform Please > > > > Good Evening List > > > > My first posting on this List , so I hope I am on the right List > , if not could someone steer me in the right direction Please > > > > I have a photo of a family relative " Uncle Jack " > > > > I am not sure of the uniform and which millitary it might have > been > > > > It is a Red jacket with white collar and white on the sleeves > > on the shoulder lapel is the word Lincoln > > on the hat which looks black , has a white ribbon > > in his hand looks like the top of a rideing crop > > if anyone could identify this uniform for me Please > > > > I have a picture of the uniform on my website > > http://www.angelfire.com/folk/passengerlists/uniform.html > > > > I Thank you > > Debbie > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003 > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > > unsubscribe > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003

Debbie, My first thought was that this was a British uniform possibly from Linclonshire, but being unfamiliar with some of the uniforms during the US civil war I wanted to see a better picture. I believe you may want to switch to the GreatWar list at rootsweb. I believe some of the folks on that list will be more knowledgeable on the subject of British uniforms. It is probably pre WW1, possibly before the Bore Wars of the 1890's, but like me and others on any list, they will know more than what the list's subject covers.. Be sure to ask about John Wakelin, someone may be able to find him in a Lincoln unit. Since you can't find anything on him, he may have been killed in a war. The style of hat you have in the picture brings to mind 2 things. The first is that the hat resembled a decorated beaverskin hat that was used by certain British soldiers in the 15-1700's, but the uniform is definitely from a newer era. I can't tell from the picture, but is that an Ostrich plume on the hat? and what is it being supported on? In his hand, I don't think that is a riding crop, but it is probably a (can't think of the word).. Like a walking cane, but used when leading a march. Also look at the mustache on Uncle Jack, this could be important. If I recall correctly, the British regulated who could wear a mustache. The white around the cuff of the sleeve probably determines rank. The Lincoln badge would have definitely depicted the Regiment he was in. I see nothing on his collar, but that is usually where the medal went which tells the use of his Regiment.... Cavalry, Engineer, Artillery, Infantry, etc. The second thought, is that it resembles a hat once used by sailors. I believe it is called a Pilots hat. Similar hats are used around the world. Think of a gondolier in Venice, IT. In the US Similar hats were used in the Navy and on Riverboats and Steamships at least until the 1840's, but they eventually changed to Barrets and such. I have also seen paintings of French fur traders in the late 1700's with similar hats and I believe the British navy used this style. The ribbon on the hat would have signified rank by color. I believe the Germans still used ribbons on sailors hats until around WW1, I've seen photos of German U-boaters with them. Look into your ancestor that was a Stevedore. If he worked in Shipping, then Uncle Jack may well have gotten a job with the British Navy. Keith Bailey My second though, ----- Original Message ----- From: "deb" <spare1@dodo.com.au> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] RE Help for Uniform Please > Hi Keith > I just had another thought > > it could quiet possibly my nana's mothers brother > > John Wakelin b 1860 Tetford Lincoln, England > > if that picture according to the uniform was around 1881 that would > make him aprox 20 yrs old , and I cant find any other records for him > also > > put my frazzled brain down to xmas please ::)) > Thank you Debbie >