Excuse me but does this list do anything other than women stuff like chatting back and forth about likes and dislikes! Ed Berry 'scuse me, Mr. Berry, and also Mr. Campbell. So sorry to intrude my silly girlish airheaded meaningless chatter on YOUR serious, for-men-only discussion list. Henceforth, I'll just read and keep to my place. Unless I decided to unsub, which you might prefer. That way, you don't feel like you have to explain everything in simple terms. Hmmmmm. Somewhere, I've been missing your (both of you) wonderful, erudite, informative, and valuable contributions to this list. Sharon