I'm hoping someone who's seen this before can help - I have the enlistment card for ancestor named Francis Schuler who signed on to the 119th Regiment of New York Volunteers on July 4, 1862 for a term of 3 years in New York City. It indicates he was mustered in on Aug 30, 1862 as a private but there is no mustering out info recorded on the card and as of yet I have found no pension file, note of desertion or other info about his service. Curiously, the margin of the card has a note written in the same hand as whoever completed the card that says "sub" and then following it is what to my eye looks like typewriter-made lettering (but given the time period I'm guessing was a stamp) saying "M.I.R." Can anyone identify these marks? Does the "sub" probably mean Francis Schuler enlisted as a substitute or that he hired a substitute to take his place or something else entirely? Thanks! Joe -- Joseph W. Mann Jr. joe@mannfamily.cc The Origins Genealogy Project at www.mannfamily.cc/public/index.html Member, The Hudson County Genealogical Society at www.HudsonCountyNJGenealogy.org

"Sub" generally means he was a substitute; at least that's the indicator used in the PA records. The agreements, between the man who recruited the soldier to act as his substitute, and the substitute, were private between the two men. As a result they usually are not a part of the substitute's military record. Occasionally I have seen the name of the man for whom the soldier was substituted, but that is the exception, not the rule. Alice Gayley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Mann" <joe@mannfamily.cc> To: <civil-war@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] Identifying marginal markings on an enlistment record > I'm hoping someone who's seen this before can help - > > I have the enlistment card for ancestor named Francis Schuler who signed > on > to the 119th Regiment of New York Volunteers on July 4, 1862 for a term of > 3 > years in New York City. It indicates he was mustered in on Aug 30, 1862 as > a > private but there is no mustering out info recorded on the card and as of > yet I have found no pension file, note of desertion or other info about > his > service. > > Curiously, the margin of the card has a note written in the same hand as > whoever completed the card that says "sub" and then following it is what > to > my eye looks like typewriter-made lettering (but given the time period I'm > guessing was a stamp) saying "M.I.R." > > Can anyone identify these marks? Does the "sub" probably mean Francis > Schuler enlisted as a substitute or that he hired a substitute to take his > place or something else entirely? > > Thanks! > Joe > > > -- > Joseph W. Mann Jr. > joe@mannfamily.cc > > The Origins Genealogy Project at www.mannfamily.cc/public/index.html > Member, The Hudson County Genealogical Society at > www.HudsonCountyNJGenealogy.org > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What Company was he in? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Mann" <joe@mannfamily.cc> To: <civil-war@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] Identifying marginal markings on an enlistment record > I'm hoping someone who's seen this before can help - > > I have the enlistment card for ancestor named Francis Schuler who signed > on > to the 119th Regiment of New York Volunteers on July 4, 1862 for a term of > 3 > years in New York City. It indicates he was mustered in on Aug 30, 1862 as > a > private but there is no mustering out info recorded on the card and as of > yet I have found no pension file, note of desertion or other info about > his > service. > > Curiously, the margin of the card has a note written in the same hand as > whoever completed the card that says "sub" and then following it is what > to > my eye looks like typewriter-made lettering (but given the time period I'm > guessing was a stamp) saying "M.I.R." > > Can anyone identify these marks? Does the "sub" probably mean Francis > Schuler enlisted as a substitute or that he hired a substitute to take his > place or something else entirely? > > Thanks! > Joe > > > -- > Joseph W. Mann Jr. > joe@mannfamily.cc > > The Origins Genealogy Project at www.mannfamily.cc/public/index.html > Member, The Hudson County Genealogical Society at > www.HudsonCountyNJGenealogy.org > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

My Francis Schuler was in Company K of the 119th Regiment of New York Volunteers . Joe -- Joseph W. Mann Jr. joe@mannfamily.cc The Origins Genealogy Project at www.mannfamily.cc/public/index.html Member, The Hudson County Genealogical Society at www.HudsonCountyNJGenealogy.org On 4/15/08 2:55 PM, "akeegan" <akeegan@wowway.com> wrote: > What Company was he in? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph Mann" <joe@mannfamily.cc> > To: <civil-war@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:34 PM > Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] Identifying marginal markings on an enlistment record > > >> I'm hoping someone who's seen this before can help - >> >> I have the enlistment card for ancestor named Francis Schuler who signed >> on >> to the 119th Regiment of New York Volunteers on July 4, 1862 for a term of >> 3 >> years in New York City. It indicates he was mustered in on Aug 30, 1862 as >> a >> private but there is no mustering out info recorded on the card and as of >> yet I have found no pension file, note of desertion or other info about >> his >> service. >> >> Curiously, the margin of the card has a note written in the same hand as >> whoever completed the card that says "sub" and then following it is what >> to >> my eye looks like typewriter-made lettering (but given the time period I'm >> guessing was a stamp) saying "M.I.R." >> >> Can anyone identify these marks? Does the "sub" probably mean Francis >> Schuler enlisted as a substitute or that he hired a substitute to take his >> place or something else entirely?