Mike: "I had to ask, didn't I?" And now more new phrases/word? Butternut? You know these days you surely deserve a behind-whooping for that word. Department of Tennessee? What is that - to house the Army of Tennessee? Okay, I am familiar with the proper names but when you add the modifiers/adjectives I am now totally lost! But I will do more research only because I wish to converse with you - grin. Remember: research! -Manaia ++++ --- Mike Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com> wrote: > Manaia > There is good reason to be confused and even those > of us who have spent > years studying the war get confused from time to > time, for instance, > both the North (Union, Federal, USA, Blue) and the > South (Confederate, > CSA, Grey, Butternut) had an Army of Tennessee and > both also had a > Department of Tennessee. > > Army Corps describes a group of several divisions > under one General. And > Army describes a group of Army Corps under one > General. Theater of > operation generally describes the area in which > various Armies operated > and Department describes the area of assignment of > several Armies. > There was a lot of shifting around of Armies back > and forth between > commands depending on where the needs were the > greatest and therefore an > Army fighting in one Department could be moved to > another and so on down > to Brigade level. Infantry Regiments for the most > part remained fixed in > size and command, however Cavalry and Artillery many > times had Companies > split off and loaned or transferred to different > Brigades or Divisions. > Any Department could be enlarged or reduced and > Armies could be added or > removed so the designations held at one time could > change with military > requirements. The Department designation was only > relatively > representative of the area in which the Department > was located. > > The Union Army of the Tennessee was formed in > October of 1862 and was > commanded by US Grant until 1863 then General > Sherman until March 1864, > then James McPherson until he was killed July 1864. > Gens Logan and > Howard commanded alternately until the end Aug 1865. > This Army consisted > of the XIII, XV, XVI, and XVII Army Corps. > > The Confederate Army of Tennessee was formed in Nov > 1862 under Braxton > Bragg. In Dec of 1863 the command shifted to General > Johnston and in > July of 1864 command was taken from Johnston and > given to General John > Bell Hood who commanded until Jan 1865 when Gen > Taylor took over and Feb > when the command was returned to Johnston who > surrendered the army in > April of 1865. > > There are two good books to read that will help > immensely with > understanding the war. Shelby Foote's Trilogy and > Mark Boatner's The > Civil War Dictionary. The Trilogy is huge but is as > good as any for > understanding the military and civilian aspect of > the Civil War. The > Civil War Dictionary allows one to look up specifics > like "the Army of > The Cumberland" etc.... By the way the Army of the > Cumberland (Union) > fought in Tennessee also... > And by all means keep asking questions on the list > because many on this > list have significant resources to guide them in > their answers. > Mike > > > Manaia Alofa wrote: > > Hello Mike: > > > > I am gonna have to read these posts all at one > time > > instead of when they've been posted - grin. > > > > > >> The Army of Tennessee was the portion of the > >> Confederate Army that fought in > >> the western areas during the war (between the > >> Appalachians and Mississippi). > >> > > > > But nothing North. No states after the Mason-Dixon > > line? Just below that line? Got it! > > > > > >> And the Army of the Tennessee was a Union/Federal > >> unit which fought in the > >> Western Theater. > >> > > > > Now this is where I am always confused - the word > > "Theater". I'm not that well versed on WW2 but > because > > of my dealings in the South Pacific I'd had to > learn > > the WW2 Pacific theater and now the Western > theater? > > All my mind is capable of seeing is a movie > theater > > every time I hear/see those words. > > > > Puhleese elaborate. > > > > <GRIN> > > --Manaia > > > > ++++ > > > > --- NPeters102@aol.com wrote: > > > > > >> In a message dated 5/23/2008 10:24:36 A.M. > Eastern > >> Daylight Time, > >> eharding2@suddenlink.net writes: > >> > >> The Army of Tennessee was the portion of the > >> Confederate Army that fought in > >> the western areas during the war (between the > >> Appalachians and Mississippi). > >> > >> And the Army of the Tennessee was a Union/Federal > >> unit which fought in the > >> Western Theater. > >> > >> Respectfully, > >> > >> Mike Peters > >> npeters102@aol.com

Manaia, The Army of Tennessee was the portion of the Confederate Army that fought in the western areas during the war (between the Appalachians and Mississippi). The portion of the Confederate Army that fought in the eastern states was known as the Army of Northern Virginia. The name Confederate is indeed Southern. The country formed by the states that seceded from the Union was The Confederate States of America, hence the abbreviation C.S.A. The Federals was a name that was also used for Union troops. In you studies of the war, you'll also find differences in the names of many battles. With the Union Army invading Southern territory, it was usually the Confederates who chose the field of battle since they were familiar with the terrain. Because of this, the Union/Federals usually named battles for nearby rivers or streams while the Confederates used the names of the towns. A few examples are: Union Confederate Bull Run Manassas Antietam Sharpsburg Stone's River Murfreesboro Fair Oaks Seven Pines Elkhorn Tavern Pea Ridge Although most people call this the Civil War, actually, the official name for it as written in the Original Records is The War of the Rebellion. How it became known as the Civil War is anyone's guess as a true civil war has one group trying to invade and taking over the existing government of another group. The Southern states seceded from the Union and just wanted to be left alone, so therefore, "civil war" really isn't a proper name for it. Many people call the South "traitors" because of their secession, but very few know or realize that secession was actually taught at West Point before the war. There are many names for this war including: The War Between the States, The War for Southern Independence, Mr. Lincoln's War, and numerous others. On a humerous side, I like Daisy Moses' (Granny Clampett) name for it: The War Twixt the Yankees and the Americans. Once you study the war more, you'll get the hang of all these names. I know it can be confusing at first, but before you know it, you'll be able to identify names of places either from Union/Federal names or from Confederate names. I'm hoping this small bit of information will be of some help to you. Edward Harding Life Member: Sons of Confederate Veterans Life Member: Military Order of Stars & Bars SCV National Genealogy Committee Member http://ehardingwbtsancestors.homestead.com/Index.html

Hello Alice: > The Confederates named their armies > for the location where an army was raised, while > Union/Federals named their > armies for rivers; Did you see my response to Edward? I was on the right track about the Confederates naming patterns - wasn't I? Yes, the South didn't dare name the battle for the Mississippi River, now could they - grin. Too hospitable... Now, does it mean anything if I say "the South" or "Confederates" when talking to someone from the Southern States? Or from the Northern States? Now here in California we, of course, never hear of the "Western States" or "Eastern States" but we hear the "Mainland". And it's often heard when someone from the Islands is speaking of the USA (the Mainland) and these are people born before the 1970s. Now I am glad there are two [CIVIL-WAR] female listers I have met - GRIN. --Manaia ++++ --- Alice Gayley <agayley@verizon.net> wrote: > To build on Edward's fine examples of the > differences between the > Confederate and Union naming conventions for > battles, the same was true for > the most part in naming their armies. The > Confederates named their armies > for the location where an army was raised, while > Union/Federals named their > armies for rivers; hence the Union army was made > up of the Army of the > Potomac, the Army of the Tennessee, etc. > > Alice Gayley

Well, well, well... I will get back to you after I respond to Alice. Welcome back! --Manaia [List-Admin] USCW-VICKSBURG-admin@rootsweb.com ++++ --- LJKZ@aol.com wrote: > Thank you for the great response to my listing. I > have been away on vacation > and just read my email. > > While I was gone I did some research in the West > Virginia Archives. There I > found the muster rolls and several other documents. > > It seem that William Dickens was captured at Gauley > Bridge and was later > release in Alexandria. He was then discharged and > offered a promotion to go to > serve with the 2nd Regiment E company colored > infantry. He died in Vicksburg > but I don't know if he was killed in battle or not. > > I just got home and have not had a chance to go over > all the papers yet. It > seems that he died very shortly after he was > promoted. > > I was told my next place to look is in Mississippi. > Since I am not planning > a trip anytime soon. I will use the information you > all so graciously > provided. > > Thank you again, > Lorna

Hello Mike: I am gonna have to read these posts all at one time instead of when they've been posted - grin. > The Army of Tennessee was the portion of the > Confederate Army that fought in > the western areas during the war (between the > Appalachians and Mississippi). But nothing North. No states after the Mason-Dixon line? Just below that line? Got it! > And the Army of the Tennessee was a Union/Federal > unit which fought in the > Western Theater. Now this is where I am always confused - the word "Theater". I'm not that well versed on WW2 but because of my dealings in the South Pacific I'd had to learn the WW2 Pacific theater and now the Western theater? All my mind is capable of seeing is a movie theater every time I hear/see those words. Puhleese elaborate. <GRIN> --Manaia ++++ --- NPeters102@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/23/2008 10:24:36 A.M. Eastern > Daylight Time, > eharding2@suddenlink.net writes: > > The Army of Tennessee was the portion of the > Confederate Army that fought in > the western areas during the war (between the > Appalachians and Mississippi). > > And the Army of the Tennessee was a Union/Federal > unit which fought in the > Western Theater. > > Respectfully, > > Mike Peters > npeters102@aol.com

Hello Edward: <<<<<<<< grin >>>>>>>>> It is so wonderful when I can understand every word regarding matters of the Civil War. But I've got to be a few steps in front of you all to do that! <<<<<<<< grin >>>>>>>>> You've explained matters in concise and in few words that most encyclopedias I've been reading of late had me confused even more. <<<<<<<< grin >>>>>>>>> I'd been reading bio of Robert E. Lee and can understand now why it was called Army of Northern Virginia - he truly loved that State. He was ready to serve Lincoln if Virginia didn't secede - where's my tissue. <<<<<<<< grin >>>>>>>>> Apropos! Your example of the two names for certain battlefields, I'd thought they hated each other so much they just had to agree to disagree on everything! And so the Confederates left Vicksburg alone because Mississippi named for the river and state would have changed tradition of naming things and that would have been bad luck - right? Maybe if they'd changed it they would have won the battle - grin. <<<<<<<< grin >>>>>>>>> Granny Clampett Rocks! > I'm hoping this small bit of information > will be of some help to > you. "Thank goodness for 'small bits'!" --Manaia ++++ --- Edward Harding <eharding2@suddenlink.net> wrote: > Manaia, > > The Army of Tennessee was the portion of the > Confederate Army that fought in > the western areas during the war (between the > Appalachians and Mississippi). > The portion of the Confederate Army that fought in > the eastern states was > known as the Army of Northern Virginia. > > The name Confederate is indeed Southern. The > country formed by the states > that seceded from the Union was The Confederate > States of America, hence the > abbreviation C.S.A. The Federals was a name that > was also used for Union > troops. > > In you studies of the war, you'll also find > differences in the names of many > battles. With the Union Army invading Southern > territory, it was usually > the Confederates who chose the field of battle since > they were familiar with > the terrain. Because of this, the Union/Federals > usually named battles for > nearby rivers or streams while the Confederates used > the names of the towns. > A few examples are: > > Union Confederate > Bull Run Manassas > Antietam Sharpsburg > Stone's River Murfreesboro > Fair Oaks Seven Pines > Elkhorn Tavern Pea Ridge > > Although most people call this the Civil War, > actually, the official name > for it as written in the Original Records is The War > of the Rebellion. How > it became known as the Civil War is anyone's guess > as a true civil war has > one group trying to invade and taking over the > existing government of > another group. The Southern states seceded from the > Union and just wanted > to be left alone, so therefore, "civil war" really > isn't a proper name for > it. Many people call the South "traitors" because of > their secession, but > very few know or realize that secession was actually > taught at West Point > before the war. There are many names for this war > including: The War Between > the States, The War for Southern Independence, Mr. > Lincoln's War, and > numerous others. On a humerous side, I like Daisy > Moses' (Granny Clampett) > name for it: The War Twixt the Yankees and the > Americans. > > Once you study the war more, you'll get the hang of > all these names. I know > it can be confusing at first, but before you know > it, you'll be able to > identify names of places either from Union/Federal > names or from Confederate > names. I'm hoping this small bit of information > will be of some help to > you. > > Edward Harding > Life Member: Sons of Confederate Veterans > Life Member: Military Order of Stars & Bars > SCV National Genealogy Committee Member > http://ehardingwbtsancestors.homestead.com/Index.html

--- "akeegan" <akeegan@wowway.com> wrote: To the present date the remains of 15,508 Union soldiers have been interred there of which 10,027 are white and 5,553 are color, of the white two fifths are anoung the known, while of the color there are but two one hundrends known; and of the whole number interrend the records show three-fourths unknown. At Vicksburg City Cemetery (Ceder Hill Cemetery) there are approximately 5,000 Confederates are buried there, which 1,600 are identified Source: Vicksburg National Cemetery Tour Stop ++++ --- Manaia's FYI: http://www.nps.gov/archive/vick/natcem/nat_cem.htm Vicksburg National Cemetery Vicksburg National Cemetery was established by an act of Congress in 1866. It serves as a final resting place for United States Soldiers that gallantly served the country in a time of national and international conflict. Vicksburg National Cemetery has the distinction of having the largest number of Civil War interments of any national cemetery in the United States. Of the approximate 17,000 Union veterans, only 5,000 are known. ++++ Hello List: Generous gratitudes to "akeegan" of [CIVIL-WAR] list for his contribution re Vicksburg National Cemetery. And if anyone has further queries re national cemeteries, "akeegan" can be contacted per the address listed above. .... I encourage everyone with Civil War queries to post your messages here and/or the [CIVIL-WAR] list. CIVIL-WAR-L lists9 Topic: A mailing list for the discussion of events during the Civil War and genealogical matters related to the Civil War. Additional information can be found on the Civil-War List Homepage. There is a Web page for the CIVIL-WAR mailing list at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mruddy/. To join CIVIL-WAR-L, send mail to CIVIL-WAR-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word subscribe in the message subject and body. .... Tree-mendous thanks! to the fellas at [CIVIL-WAR] list - and of course Phyllis - grin. For if not for the [CIVIL-WAR] (Edward Harding: Granny Clampett is a woman who knows what she's talking about when she renamed that war "The War Twixt the Yankees and the Americans". Oh, I Got It! LOL) aficionados, I'd still be "wet behind the ears" because I'd still be crying over my first battlefield - Vicksburg. And my sincerest gratitudes go out to my mentor - Ted Myers - Ted, have you seen that DICKENS descent around? - Grin. "Bless you All." --Manaia

There are hundreds of 'unknown' graves at Vicksburg NMP Cemetery. The National Parks website has a listing of known dead at Vicksburg, but many are not linked to their gravesite...he might be one of those...> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:07:45 -0700> From: manaiaalofa@yahoo.com> To: USCW-VICKSBURG@rootsweb.com; CIVIL-WAR@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] William DICKENS - Company E 52Regiment USC Infantry orCompany A Regiment 4 West> > Hello Lorna:> > Because I have been reading a lot on the Civil War> occurring in Vicksburg, the dates are emblazoned in my> mind now - May 18-July 4, 1863.> > "I am looking for the grave of William Dickens my> great grandfather. He died in Vicksburg on September> 5,1863."> > Did your Great-Grandfather pass away from wounds that> occurred on the battlefield of Vicksburg?> > So, I ask the learned [CIVIL-WAR] aficionados where is> a Black/Colour soldier laid to rest in 1863?> > My lister's ancestor - William DICKENS - passed away> two months and a day after the siege of Vicksburg in> 1863.> > "Thank you kindly."> > --Manaia> > ++++> > From: LJKZ@aol.com> Subject: [USCW-VICKSBURG] Looking info on William> DICKENS> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:22:58 EDT> > I am looking for the grave of William Dickens my great> grandfather. He died> in Vicksburg on September 5,1863. I got that info from> a pension application> form. I have not found the actual pension yet. I have> sent for some military> records from the National Archives.> > I also wrote to the National Cemetery in Vicksburg but> they said they could> not find a William DICKENS that was in Company E 52> Regiment USC Infantry or> Company A Regiment 4 West Virginia Infantry. They have> 33 DICKENS there.> > This information also came from the pension> application,late rank Sgt.> I am new to this list so please excuse any mistakes.> > Thank you in advance,> Lorna> > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause

The Battle Timeline - An interactive map that shows you when and where the biggest battles happened. http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/civilwar/2civilwarbattles.htm Decisive Battles of the Civil War 1863 - three encounters -Vicksburg, Champion Hill, and Port Hudson Forces: Army of the Tennessee (Union); Army of Vicksburg (Confederate) .... Hello Listers: Forces: Army of the Tennessee (Union); Army of Vicksburg (Confederate) Army of the Tennessee (Union) - does this mean everyone fighting is from Tennessee? Army of Vicksburg (Confederate) - does this mean everyone fighting is from Mississippi? The word Confederate is for the South side - right? Now this is fairly new for me, the word Federal. Meaning the North? Union side? I have only heard Union but never Federal. Thanks! --Manaia

To the present date the remains of 15,508 Union soldiers have been interred there of which 10,027are white and 5,553 are color, of the white two fifths are anoung the known, while of the color there are but two one hundrends known; and of the whole number interrend the records show three-fourths unknown. At Vicksburg City Cemetery ( Ceder Hill Cemetery) there are approximately 5,000 Confederates are buried there, which 1,600 are identified Source: Vicksburg National Cemetery Tour Stop ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Gieger" <giegerg@hotmail.com> To: <civil-war@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] William DICKENS - Company E 52Regiment USCInfantry orCompany A Regiment 4 West > > There are hundreds of 'unknown' graves at Vicksburg NMP Cemetery. The > National Parks website has a listing of known dead at Vicksburg, but many > are not linked to their gravesite...he might be one of those...> Date: > Tue, 20 May 2008 10:07:45 -0700> From: manaiaalofa@yahoo.com> To: > USCW-VICKSBURG@rootsweb.com; CIVIL-WAR@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: > [CIVIL-WAR] William DICKENS - Company E 52Regiment USC Infantry orCompany > A Regiment 4 West> > Hello Lorna:> > Because I have been reading a lot on > the Civil War> occurring in Vicksburg, the dates are emblazoned in my> > mind now - May 18-July 4, 1863.> > "I am looking for the grave of William > Dickens my> great grandfather. He died in Vicksburg on September> > 5,1863."> > Did your Great-Grandfather pass away from wounds that> > occurred on the battlefield of Vicksburg?> > So, I ask the learned > [CIVIL-WAR] aficionados where is> a Black/Colour soldier laid to rest in > 1863?> > My lister's ancestor - William DICKENS - passed away> two months > and a day after the siege of Vicksburg in> 1863.> > "Thank you kindly."> > > --Manaia> > ++++> > From: LJKZ@aol.com> Subject: [USCW-VICKSBURG] > Looking info on William> DICKENS> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:22:58 EDT> > I > am looking for the grave of William Dickens my great> grandfather. He > died> in Vicksburg on September 5,1863. I got that info from> a pension > application> form. I have not found the actual pension yet. I have> sent > for some military> records from the National Archives.> > I also wrote to > the National Cemetery in Vicksburg but> they said they could> not find a > William DICKENS that was in Company E 52> Regiment USC Infantry or> > Company A Regiment 4 West Virginia Infantry. They have> 33 DICKENS there.> > > This information also came from the pension> application,late rank Sgt.> > I am new to this list so please excuse any mistakes.> > Thank you in > advance,> Lorna> > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe > from the list, please send an email to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > _________________________________________________________________ > Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i’m Initiative from > Microsoft. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

"Thanks! kindly." May 18-July 4, 1863 - In just a short period of time such a great loss of young men. If memory serves me right - correct me if not - there were well over 400+ (recorded) battles and Vicksburg was just one In The Beginning. Casualties: Union 10,142; Confederate 9,091 Now, is "casualties" the same as "dead" or "injured"? I'm sorry but being a female (I know) I don't know too much about military jargon but I'm glad to be finally learning. .... "What and where can I find out about SAMOA list Ann" --[LIST-UPDATE] - I am the SAMOA admin; did you ever get your ?s answered - grin. --Manaia ++++ --- akeegan <akeegan@wowway.com> wrote: > To the present date the remains of 15,508 Union > soldiers have been interred > there of which 10,027are white and 5,553 are color, > of the white two fifths > are anoung the known, while of the color there are > but two one hundrends > known; and of the whole number interrend the records > show three-fourths unknown. At Vicksburg City > Cemetery > ( Ceder Hill Cemetery) there are > approximately 5,000 Confederates > are buried there, which 1,600 are identified > Source: Vicksburg National Cemetery Tour Stop

"Thank you kindly, Gerald." Please do not think I've just been sitting waiting for the answers to come to me - I wish! - grin. Or hoping SKS from this list or the many Rootsweb Civil War lists I've joined this week (probably every last one) would smilingly lead me to William Dickens place of resting - nosiree. Just today I've posted to my list the Mississippi military records: https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Mississippi_Military_Records Mississippi Military Records Civil War (1861-1865) Mississippi provided soldiers to both the Union and Confederate armies. Indexes to the service records for both armies are available at the Family History Library. Union service records are at the National Archives and on film at the Family History Library (FHL film 1292659-62). Union pension records are only at the National Archives. The Family History Library has the index to the pension records. A special census was taken in 1890 of Union veterans of the Civil War. The returns are on film at the Family History Library (FHL film 338185). An index to the Mississippi returns has been published and is available at the Family History Library. Confederate pension and service records are at the Mississippi Department of Archives and History. Mississippi pension records for Confederate veterans are arranged alphabetically on film at the Family History Library. Regimental sketches and rosters of Confederate troops are in John C. Rietti, Military Annals of Mississippi. 1895. Reprint, Spartanburg, South Carolina: Reprint Company Publishers, 1976. (FHL book 976.2 M2r; film 1036087 item 8.) .... Yes, I've gleaned the many suggestions. I've also posted to my list: Free Public Access on Ancestry.com "To commemorate the NARA-Ancestry.com agreement on the eve of Memorial Day, Ancestry.com is making its entire U.S. Military Collection -- the largest online collection of American military records -- available for free to the public. From May 20 through May 31, ... to view more than 100 million names and 700 titles and databases of military records, the majority of which come from NARA, from all 50 U.S. states." Here is a list of the records available: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/grouplist.aspx?group=war_all These are probably the most helpful records: Civil War Pension Index: General Index to Pension Files, 1861-1934 World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946 U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942 ["Old Man's Draft"] .... And because of Ancestry.com's generous offer was able to glean (in which Phyllis had already submitted to me): U.S. Civil War Soldiers, 1861-1865 about William Dickens Name: William Dickens Side: Union Regiment State/Origin: U.S. Colored Troops Regiment Name: 52 U.S. Col'd Infantry Regiment Name Expanded: 52nd Regiment, United States Colored Infantry COMPANY: E Rank In: Sergeant Rank In Expanded: Sergeant Rank Out: Private Rank Out Expanded: Private Film Number: M589 roll 23 Memorial: Part of the African American Civil War Memorial Plaque Number: C-64 Displayed As: William Dickens Is it just a plague that is commemorating a memory? Or the remains of the man William Dickens? Am I heading into another brick wall? More research. .... And to add more bricks to my collection, I've stumbled upon two Vicksburg regiments that may connect to William Dickens. More research. And the biggest brick on this journey is: Where is this DICKENS descent? - Grin. Hopefully I will have found resolution by the time she appears. "Thanks! again." --Manaia ++++ --- Gerald Gieger <giegerg@hotmail.com> wrote: > > There are hundreds of 'unknown' graves at Vicksburg > NMP Cemetery. The National Parks website has a > listing of known dead at Vicksburg, but many are not > linked to their gravesite...he might be one of > those...

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After the Civil War the government opened 10 homes for disabled veyterans. Four were opened by 1870 i.e., Togus Maine, Milwaukee Wisconsin, Dayton Ohio and Hampton Virginia. I have someone who has soldiers listing for Dayton Ohio. Does anyone know where I can find listings for the other three cities? Roy Stout

Hello Lorna: Because I have been reading a lot on the Civil War occurring in Vicksburg, the dates are emblazoned in my mind now - May 18-July 4, 1863. "I am looking for the grave of William Dickens my great grandfather. He died in Vicksburg on September 5,1863." Did your Great-Grandfather pass away from wounds that occurred on the battlefield of Vicksburg? So, I ask the learned [CIVIL-WAR] aficionados where is a Black/Colour soldier laid to rest in 1863? My lister's ancestor - William DICKENS - passed away two months and a day after the siege of Vicksburg in 1863. "Thank you kindly." --Manaia ++++ From: LJKZ@aol.com Subject: [USCW-VICKSBURG] Looking info on William DICKENS Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:22:58 EDT I am looking for the grave of William Dickens my great grandfather. He died in Vicksburg on September 5,1863. I got that info from a pension application form. I have not found the actual pension yet. I have sent for some military records from the National Archives. I also wrote to the National Cemetery in Vicksburg but they said they could not find a William DICKENS that was in Company E 52 Regiment USC Infantry or Company A Regiment 4 West Virginia Infantry. They have 33 DICKENS there. This information also came from the pension application,late rank Sgt. I am new to this list so please excuse any mistakes. Thank you in advance, Lorna

Manaia, There is only one important thing I wish to point out to you. Only because I have battled throught it. If his papers do not indacate where he is buried, then he would be listed as in a unknown grave. When I found that my grandfather was an unknown, I contacted the VA Admin and told them I wanted a stone for my grandfather. They responed by saying if there was any kind of marker there, I could not have a marker. Well needless to say I battled them and won. My Grand- father is buried in a trench with 2000 other soldiers, and his name is not on any marker. That is what won my case. Now my has a Memorial marker at Fort Indiantown Gap National Cemetery, even if he is in the burial trench. If you can prove your case, you can get a marker for your soldier, and it can be in any National cemetery you want. But if it is in private cemetery you have to pay the shipping, the stone is free. So keep all of this in mind, and I am always here to help. Ted --- Manaia Alofa <manaiaalofa@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Thanks tree-mendously, Ted!" > > Whatever sagely advice coming your way is sooo > appreciated - grin. > > At least for me that is a ray of Hope 'cause I'm > always reminded "It's always darkest before the > Dawn." > > Since I have your attention... have you heard of the > book "Military History of Mississippi, 1803-1898" by > Dunbar Rowland? > > I'd just suggested to my lister that it may help on > her journey, and good reading material for me - > grin. > > Thanks again. > > --Manaia > > ++++ > > --- "Ted Myers" <sgtmajor17thcav@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Manaia, > > In the Vicksburg National, over 17,000 soldiers > are > buried there. And > there > are over 13,000 listed as on known. Your soldier > could be one of the > listed > unknown. When you get all of Williams papers. Look > them over very > carefully > and look for anything that my indacate that he is > buried in Vicksburg > National. > > My grandfather was listed unknown in the Florence > National Cemetery, > until > I got all of his pension papers, and showed he had > died at Florence > was I > able to get him on the list, but it took me a few > years. > > > Ted Myers > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

"Thanks tree-mendously, Ted!" Whatever sagely advice coming your way is sooo appreciated - grin. At least for me that is a ray of Hope 'cause I'm always reminded "It's always darkest before the Dawn." Since I have your attention... have you heard of the book "Military History of Mississippi, 1803-1898" by Dunbar Rowland? I'd just suggested to my lister that it may help on her journey, and good reading material for me - grin. Thanks again. --Manaia ++++ --- "Ted Myers" <sgtmajor17thcav@yahoo.com> wrote: Manaia, In the Vicksburg National, over 17,000 soldiers are buried there. And there are over 13,000 listed as on known. Your soldier could be one of the listed unknown. When you get all of Williams papers. Look them over very carefully and look for anything that my indacate that he is buried in Vicksburg National. My grandfather was listed unknown in the Florence National Cemetery, until I got all of his pension papers, and showed he had died at Florence was I able to get him on the list, but it took me a few years. Ted Myers