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Let me say this, as far as the Civil War went, the Navy never really played and impotant part of the war. I t was a ground war that took thousands of men, in killed wounded and missing, to say nothing of the men who died or suffered in prisoner of war camps. And many to returned home to died a short time later from one cause or an other. How many men died from serving in the Navy, Gray or Blue. The Navy had it made, guess that is why I never took them into con- sidertion when it came to the civil war. Ted --- v10852@aol.com wrote: > Thanks to all for all the Navy info on CW, I didn't > realize there was so much, who knew?! > > > researching these from NY and PA mostly: Arwin, > Baker, Barrett, Brokaw, Brandow, Butler,Carnes, > Crowe, Dean, Ferris, Golden, Havens, Hendershott, > Hoxter, Huber, Isaman, Jenks (all variations), > Kelleher, Knapp, Koons, Lundrigan, Makeley, > McDermott, Mehlenbacher, Merritt, Neu, Northrup, > O'Connor, Osincup, Patterson, Powers, Quick, > Rahmlow, Robertson, Robinson, Root, Ryan, Slaughter, > Stocum, Wade, White, Wilcox, Wright, Van Oxx (Oxx), > Vanbenschoter, Yeckley, Young, Zimmerman. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerald Gieger <giegerg@hotmail.com> > To: civil-war@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, 26 May 2008 8:39 pm > Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] navy of the war > > > > > The USS Cairo monument at Vicksburg is what is left > after it sunk, up river from > Vicksburg. It is a very impressive and > authoritative display... > > It might be noteworthy to mention that Gen. Grant > ordered that a new channel be > dug by hand to allow the boats coming down the > Mississippi to pass because of > the CS Gun Abutments at Vicksburg... > > > From: donlinda@2ki.net> To: > civil-war@rootsweb.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 > 13:31:29 -0400> Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] navy of the > war> > In regard to naval > battles/blockades - yes, there were a lot!> the old > newsies tell the stories - I > agree with Vicki - in school, I only> heard of the > land fighting for the most > part - except for the Monitor and> Merrimac.> Below > are some past newsies I'd > submitted to the list - if you missed them> and are > interested in the navy of > the wartime - Linda> > > Appalling Disaster.> The > Monitor Weehawken Goes Down at > Anchor in a Gale.> Loss of Four Officers and > Twenty-Six of her crew.> > United > States Transport Fulton, Off Charleston Bar, Dec. > 8.> > At two o'clock on Sunday > afternoon, while a furious wind prevailed from> the > Northwest, the iron-clad > Weekawken, lying at the entrance of Charleston> > harbor, went down at her > anchorage - went suddenly, swiftly and> > unaccountably to the bottom - and > carried with her, to a horrible death> beneath the > waves, four of her engineers > and twenty-six of her crew.> Saturday had been a > bright and beautiful day, with > scarcely a breath of> air astir, and with a calm, > unruffled sea. - During the > night a breeze> sprang up, and the wind, blowing > freshly at daylight on Sunday, > increased by> noon to a violent storm.> The > iron-clad fleet lying meantime off > its usual anchorage. The frigate> New Ironsides was > stationed off Morris Island, > at a distance of about one> mile due east from Fort > Wagner - or, as it is now > called, Fort Strong.> North of the Ironsides lay the > flagship Philadelphia, > distant about four> hundred yards. The Weekawken was > next in line, anchored two > or three hundred> yards to the northward of the > flagship. The Montauk was on > picket duty,> between Fort Sumter and Fort Moultrie. > Astern of the Ironsides lay > the> Nahant and Passaic - the latter farthest away > from the flagship, and > nearer> than any other vessel to the Morris Island > shore. The South Carolina and > the> Home were rocking on the restless tide some > five or six hundred yards > astern> of the ironclads.> The above was the > position of the fleet when the > first signal of> distress was made from the > Weehawken, at a few minutes before 2 > o'clock. The> signal was seen, and answered at once > by the flagship, from which > four boats> wee dispatched to her assistance, and by > the South Carolina, which > sent two> of her boats to the Weehawken's aid. - The > tugs Dandelion and Iris > were at> once called up, and with them Commander > Duncan, of the Weehawken, who> > chanced to be on the flagship, and in conversation > with the Admiral, when> the > signal was made, proceeded immediately, with the > hope of running his> vessel on > the beach. He had scarcely left when the officer of > the deck made> out from the > Weehawken a new signal, and immediately reported her > to be> sinking. A moment > after she settled swiftly down by the head, > careened> slightly over to starboard > and disappeared beneath the waves.> It is impossible > to convey any idea of the > appalling nature of this> disaster. - It came with > the suddenness of a > thunderbolt. When the first> signal of distress was > made, no one divined how > serious was the danger, and> when, at length the > vessel went down, it was > difficult for those who saw her> disappear to credit > even the evidence of their > own sense. The confusion on> the flagship, arising > mainly from the difficulty of > launching her boats, and> the desire of both > officers and men to be first in > them, was most intense> and painful. - The wind was > now blowing with great fury, > and the boats> which hastened from all sides to the > scene, encountered great > peril in> picking up from the water the few who had > succeeded in getting away > from the> Weehawken before she sunk. Almost at the > very moment she went down > some> twenty or more sprang to the boats and > succeeded in getting away. - As > many> others were rescued from the surging waves by > the launches of the > flagship,> the South Carolina and the tugboats > Dandelion and Iris. Thirty > perished.> All day the Weehawken had labored heavily > in the sea, which kept her> > decks constantly submerged, and which frequently > swept in large volumes into> > her forward hatch. Towards noon the crew commenced > paying out chain, to ease> > her; but, accustomed as they were, in every gale, to > the shipping of such> seas, > it is believed that they had grown confident and > careless of danger,> and paid > no heed to the encroaching waters until it was too > late to resist> them. They > dreamed of no peril until the waves had fairly > yawned to swallow> them. - Then, > when it was known for a certainty that the vessel > was to be> lost, a panic of > fright and fear benumbed them, and the > terror-stricken crew> below had little > power to help themselves. there were men in irons > between> decks, and the > sergeant-at-arms rushed frantically away to release > them.> Poor fellows, they > all went down. There were invalids in the sick bay, > and> to their relief the > surgeon sent his steward, who never returned. There > were> firemen at the > furnaces, to whom vain shrieks for a helping hand at > the> pumps were made. A few > of the confident were rushing to their quarters to> > save their effects, jostling > the timid on their way to the deck to save> > themselves. It was in the midst of > scenes like those that the Weehawken went> down.> I > believe that none of the > officers perished save the four assistant> > engineers, who were overtaken by the > flood before they could make any effort> to escape. > - Commander Duncan had only > taken command of the Weehawken on> Saturday, having > been detached from the Paul > Jones to relieve Commander> Calhoun. The officers' > clothing, the paymaster's > funds and the other papers> of the ship sank with > her.> Various parties were > picked up and taken to the nearest vessels, where> > every provision was made for > their comfort and restoration. Those of the> crew > who were saved are now > scattered in small squads throughout the fleet.> It > is impossible to procure at > present the names of those who were lost.> To Fleet > Captain Bradford, Captain > Ammen, and in fact to all the> officers and men of > the flagship, great credit is > due for their heroic> exertions in their frail boats > for the rescue of the > unfortunate crew. They> exposed themselves to great > dangers in their efforts to > render assistance to> others. Commander Ammen, > acting under the orders of > Admiral Dahlgren,> particularly risked himself in > the conveyance of orders and > precautionary> instructions to the remaining > Monitors, === message truncated ===

Thanks to all for all the Navy info on CW, I didn't realize there was so much, who knew?! researching these from NY and PA mostly: Arwin, Baker, Barrett, Brokaw, Brandow, Butler,Carnes, Crowe, Dean, Ferris, Golden, Havens, Hendershott, Hoxter, Huber, Isaman, Jenks (all variations), Kelleher, Knapp, Koons, Lundrigan, Makeley, McDermott, Mehlenbacher, Merritt, Neu, Northrup, O'Connor, Osincup, Patterson, Powers, Quick, Rahmlow, Robertson, Robinson, Root, Ryan, Slaughter, Stocum, Wade, White, Wilcox, Wright, Van Oxx (Oxx), Vanbenschoter, Yeckley, Young, Zimmerman. -----Original Message----- From: Gerald Gieger <giegerg@hotmail.com> To: civil-war@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 26 May 2008 8:39 pm Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] navy of the war The USS Cairo monument at Vicksburg is what is left after it sunk, up river from Vicksburg. It is a very impressive and authoritative display... It might be noteworthy to mention that Gen. Grant ordered that a new channel be dug by hand to allow the boats coming down the Mississippi to pass because of the CS Gun Abutments at Vicksburg... > From: donlinda@2ki.net> To: civil-war@rootsweb.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 13:31:29 -0400> Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] navy of the war> > In regard to naval battles/blockades - yes, there were a lot!> the old newsies tell the stories - I agree with Vicki - in school, I only> heard of the land fighting for the most part - except for the Monitor and> Merrimac.> Below are some past newsies I'd submitted to the list - if you missed them> and are interested in the navy of the wartime - Linda> > > Appalling Disaster.> The Monitor Weehawken Goes Down at Anchor in a Gale.> Loss of Four Officers and Twenty-Six of her crew.> > United States Transport Fulton, Off Charleston Bar, Dec. 8.> > At two o'clock on Sunday afternoon, while a furious wind prevailed from> the Northwest, the iron-clad Weekawken, lying at the entrance of Charleston> harbor, went down at her anchorage - went suddenly, swiftly and> unaccountably to the bottom - and carried with her, to a horrible death> beneath the waves, four of her engineers and twenty-six of her crew.> Saturday had been a bright and beautiful day, with scarcely a breath of> air astir, and with a calm, unruffled sea. - During the night a breeze> sprang up, and the wind, blowing freshly at daylight on Sunday, increased by> noon to a violent storm.> The iron-clad fleet lying meantime off its usual anchorage. The frigate> New Ironsides was stationed off Morris Island, at a distance of about one> mile due east from Fort Wagner - or, as it is now called, Fort Strong.> North of the Ironsides lay the flagship Philadelphia, distant about four> hundred yards. The Weekawken was next in line, anchored two or three hundred> yards to the northward of the flagship. The Montauk was on picket duty,> between Fort Sumter and Fort Moultrie. Astern of the Ironsides lay the> Nahant and Passaic - the latter farthest away from the flagship, and nearer> than any other vessel to the Morris Island shore. The South Carolina and the> Home were rocking on the restless tide some five or six hundred yards astern> of the ironclads.> The above was the position of the fleet when the first signal of> distress was made from the Weehawken, at a few minutes before 2 o'clock. The> signal was seen, and answered at once by the flagship, from which four boats> wee dispatched to her assistance, and by the South Carolina, which sent two> of her boats to the Weehawken's aid. - The tugs Dandelion and Iris were at> once called up, and with them Commander Duncan, of the Weehawken, who> chanced to be on the flagship, and in conversation with the Admiral, when> the signal was made, proceeded immediately, with the hope of running his> vessel on the beach. He had scarcely left when the officer of the deck made> out from the Weehawken a new signal, and immediately reported her to be> sinking. A moment after she settled swiftly down by the head, careened> slightly over to starboard and disappeared beneath the waves.> It is impossible to convey any idea of the appalling nature of this> disaster. - It came with the suddenness of a thunderbolt. When the first> signal of distress was made, no one divined how serious was the danger, and> when, at length the vessel went down, it was difficult for those who saw her> disappear to credit even the evidence of their own sense. The confusion on> the flagship, arising mainly from the difficulty of launching her boats, and> the desire of both officers and men to be first in them, was most intense> and painful. - The wind was now blowing with great fury, and the boats> which hastened from all sides to the scene, encountered great peril in> picking up from the water the few who had succeeded in getting away from the> Weehawken before she sunk. Almost at the very moment she went down some> twenty or more sprang to the boats and succeeded in getting away. - As many> others were rescued from the surging waves by the launches of the flagship,> the South Carolina and the tugboats Dandelion and Iris. Thirty perished.> All day the Weehawken had labored heavily in the sea, which kept her> decks constantly submerged, and which frequently swept in large volumes into> her forward hatch. Towards noon the crew commenced paying out chain, to ease> her; but, accustomed as they were, in every gale, to the shipping of such> seas, it is believed that they had grown confident and careless of danger,> and paid no heed to the encroaching waters until it was too late to resist> them. They dreamed of no peril until the waves had fairly yawned to swallow> them. - Then, when it was known for a certainty that the vessel was to be> lost, a panic of fright and fear benumbed them, and the terror-stricken crew> below had little power to help themselves. there were men in irons between> decks, and the sergeant-at-arms rushed frantically away to release them.> Poor fellows, they all went down. There were invalids in the sick bay, and> to their relief the surgeon sent his steward, who never returned. There were> firemen at the furnaces, to whom vain shrieks for a helping hand at the> pumps were made. A few of the confident were rushing to their quarters to> save their effects, jostling the timid on their way to the deck to save> themselves. It was in the midst of scenes like those that the Weehawken went> down.> I believe that none of the officers perished save the four assistant> engineers, who were overtaken by the flood before they could make any effort> to escape. - Commander Duncan had only taken command of the Weehawken on> Saturday, having been detached from the Paul Jones to relieve Commander> Calhoun. The officers' clothing, the paymaster's funds and the other papers> of the ship sank with her.> Various parties were picked up and taken to the nearest vessels, where> every provision was made for their comfort and restoration. Those of the> crew who were saved are now scattered in small squads throughout the fleet.> It is impossible to procure at present the names of those who were lost.> To Fleet Captain Bradford, Captain Ammen, and in fact to all the> officers and men of the flagship, great credit is due for their heroic> exertions in their frail boats for the rescue of the unfortunate crew. They> exposed themselves to great dangers in their efforts to render assistance to> others. Commander Ammen, acting under the orders of Admiral Dahlgren,> particularly risked himself in the conveyance of orders and precautionary> instructions to the remaining Monitors, performing the perilous duty in a> small boat.> The Weehawken is lying in five fathoms of water, and will soon be> raised. Until she is brought up, no one can tell with certainty why she> sank. It was thought no fault of her over-hang," for she apparently took in> no water except at her forward hatch and hawsehole. It was, to the best of> my knowledge, through the inattention, neglect and bad management of those> on board that the vessel has been lost. Had the pumps been set at work when> the waves first dashed in, it is probably that the Weehawken would at this> moment have been afloat. Had the bars with which her compartments were made> water-tight been in their proper place, it is quite likely that the dire> calamity would never have occurred.> Mr. Falcon, a practical diver, left Hilton Head this morning for the> scene of the disaster.> ~ Republican Advocate [Article, courtesy of correspondence of the N.Y.> Herald.]- Batavia - Genesee Co., NY> Tuesday, December 22-1863.> *********************************************> > The naval authorities of the Brooklyn Navy Yard have reported the> iron-clad> Lehigh ready for active service. She bursted a gun sometime since at> Fortress Monroe, and came North for a new one. On her arrival, however, she> was taken in and improved in every way. The turret gear, which got out of> order in one of the vessels during the first contest, is now rendered> inaccessible to projectiles of any description. A huge iron band, no less> than five feet in thickness, surrounds the lower part of the turret, and> preserves it from all effect of shot. The armament of the vessel has been> also changed. She has now one of the 15-inch Dahlgren guns, and a> 200-pounder Farret rifled. She has left New York for Charleston, to> reinforce the armored fleet doing such good service there.> The Lehigh is one of the original nine Iron-clads constructed> immediately after the Monitor.> *Republican Advocate - Batavia NY> August 25-1863.> *************************************************************************> > The Crossing at Fredericksburg.> [December 11th, 1862.]> > Miles Loquitur.> > I lay in my tent at midday,> Too full of pain to die.> When I heard the voice of Burnside,> And an answering shout reply.> > I heard the voice of the General -> 'Twas firm, though low and sad;> But the roar that followed his question> Laughed out till the hills were glad.> > "O, comrade, open the curtain,> And see where our men are bound,> For my heart is still in my bosom> At that terrible, mirthful sound.> > "And hark what the General orders,> For I could not catch his words;> And what means that hurry and movement,> That clash of muskets and swords?"> > "Lie still, Be still, my Captain,> 'Tis a call for volunteers;> And the noise that vexes your fever> Is only our soldiers' cheers."> > "Where go they?" "Across the river."> "O, God! and must I lie still,> While that drum and that measured trampling> Move from me far down the hill?> > "How many?" "I judge four hundred."> "Who are they? I'll know to a man."> "Our own Nineteenth and Twentieth,> And the Seventh Michigan."> > "O, to go, but to go with my comrades!> Tear the curtain away from the hook,> For I'll see them marched down to their glory,> If I perish by the look!"> > They leaped in the rocking shallops,> Ten offered where one could go;> And the breeze was alive with laughter> Till the boatmen began to row.> > Then the shore, where the rebels harbored,> Was fringed with a gush of flame,> And buzzing, like bees, o'er the water> The swarms of their bullets came.> > In silence, how dread and solemn!> With courage, how grand and true!> Steadily, steadily onward> The line of the shallops drew.> > Not a whisper. Each man was conscious.> He stood in the sight of death;> So he bowed to the awful presence,> And treasured his living breath.> > 'Twixt death in the air above them> And death in the waves below,> Through balls, and grape, and shrapnell,> They moved - my God ! how slow!> > And many a brave, stout fellow,> Who sprang in the boats with mirth,> Ere they made that fatal crossing> Was a load of lifeless earth.> > And many a brave, stout fellow,> Whose limbs with strength were rife,> Was torn, and crushed, and shattered -> A helpless wreck for life.> > But yet the boats moved onward;> Through fire and lead they drove,> With the dark, still mass within them,> And the floating stars above.> > So loud and near it sounded,> I started at the shout,> As the keels ground on the gravel,> And the eager men burst out.> > Cheer after cheer we sent them,> As only armies can -> Cheers for old Massachusetts,> Cheers for young Michigan !> > They formed in line of battle;> Not a man was out of place,> Then with levelled steel they hurled them> Straight in the rebels' face.> > "Oh ! help me, help me,comrade !> For tears my eyelids drown,> As I see their starry banners> Stream up that smoking town.> > "And see the noisy workmen> O'er the lengthening bridges run.> And the troops that swarm to cross them> When the rapid work be done.> > "For the old heat, or a new one,> flames up in every vein;> And with fever or with passion> I am faint as death again. > "If this is death, I care not!> Hear me, men, from rear to van! -> One more cheer for Massachusetts,> And one more for Michigan !"> > George H. 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Roy, No, I don't. The National Archives has a set of ledgers from the home here in Washington, DC, but I don't know if they have the records from the other homes. Possibly the state archives or the VA have the records of those homes. Alice Gayley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stout" <ldstout@bellsouth.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:06 AM Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] CIVIL WAR SOLDIERS HOMES > TO - Alice > FROM - Roy > Alice, > > You sent me a list of soldiers homes. Do you know of a web site where I > can get a list of people in those homes? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

TO - Alice FROM - Roy Alice, You sent me a list of soldiers homes. Do you know of a web site where I can get a list of people in those homes?

In regard to the Monitor and Merrimack, the actual battle was between the USS Monitor and the CSS Virginia. When Union forces at the Norfolk Navy Yard evacuated on April 20, 1861, they scuttled a number of ships, including the USS Merrimack which was a screw frigate. Along with being scuttled, the ship was also burned. The hull of the USS Merrimack was converted by the Confederates to become the ironclad CSS Virginia in 1861-1862. Original Specifications for the CSS Virginia Length: 263 feet Beam: 51 feet Draft: 19 to 22 feet depending on load Tonnage: 3200 Speed: Rated 9 knots; Actual was 4 to 5 knots Engines: 2 horizontal, back acting; 2 cylinders, 72 inches in diameter, 3 foot stroke Boilers: 5 tubular; 4 main, 1 auxiliary, Martin Type Horsepower: 1294 Coal Consumption: 3400 pounds of anthracite per hour Propeller: 2 blade, Griffiths, diameter 17 feet 4 inches Battery: Eight 9 inch rifled Dahlgren shell guns in broadside; two 7 inch Dahlgren pivot guns, bow and stern, each firing through 3 available ports Ram: 1500 pounds, cast iron, 2 feet long Anchors: Two at the bow Also, there was a CSS Merrimac that was a blockade runner. This ship was a sidewheel steamer purchased in England for the Confederate Navy in 1862. The ship was captured off of the coast of the Cape Fear River, North Carolina on July 24, 1863. The ship then became the USS Merrimac. Early in 1865 the USS Merrimac was reassigned to the East Gulf Blockading Squadron. She got underway for the gulf early in February, but encountered extremely bad weather which forced her to stop at Beaufort, North Carolina, on the 7th and at Charleston, South Carolina on the 12th. Underway for Key West the next day, the USS Merrimac ran into still worse weather which she fought until turning north on the 14th to seek the first port. On the afternoon of February 15, 1865 Acting Master William Earle ordered the crew to abandon ship after its tiller had broken, two boilers given out and the pumps failed to slow the rising water. That night, when the crew had been rescued by mail steamer Morning Star, the Merrimac was settled rapidly and sank. Note: The name of USS Merrimack that was scuttled and turned in to the ironclad Virginia ended with a "K". The name of the blockade runner CSS Merrimac that was purchased in England and later captured by the Union ended with a "C". Edward

The USS Cairo monument at Vicksburg is what is left after it sunk, up river from Vicksburg. It is a very impressive and authoritative display... It might be noteworthy to mention that Gen. Grant ordered that a new channel be dug by hand to allow the boats coming down the Mississippi to pass because of the CS Gun Abutments at Vicksburg... > From: donlinda@2ki.net> To: civil-war@rootsweb.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 13:31:29 -0400> Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] navy of the war> > In regard to naval battles/blockades - yes, there were a lot!> the old newsies tell the stories - I agree with Vicki - in school, I only> heard of the land fighting for the most part - except for the Monitor and> Merrimac.> Below are some past newsies I'd submitted to the list - if you missed them> and are interested in the navy of the wartime - Linda> > > Appalling Disaster.> The Monitor Weehawken Goes Down at Anchor in a Gale.> Loss of Four Officers and Twenty-Six of her crew.> > United States Transport Fulton, Off Charleston Bar, Dec. 8.> > At two o'clock on Sunday afternoon, while a furious wind prevailed from> the Northwest, the iron-clad Weekawken, lying at the entrance of Charleston> harbor, went down at her anchorage - went suddenly, swiftly and> unaccountably to the bottom - and carried with her, to a horrible death> beneath the waves, four of her engineers and twenty-six of her crew.> Saturday had been a bright and beautiful day, with scarcely a breath of> air astir, and with a calm, unruffled sea. - During the night a breeze> sprang up, and the wind, blowing freshly at daylight on Sunday, increased by> noon to a violent storm.> The iron-clad fleet lying meantime off its usual anchorage. The frigate> New Ironsides was stationed off Morris Island, at a distance of about one> mile due east from Fort Wagner - or, as it is now called, Fort Strong.> North of the Ironsides lay the flagship Philadelphia, distant about four> hundred yards. The Weekawken was next in line, anchored two or three hundred> yards to the northward of the flagship. The Montauk was on picket duty,> between Fort Sumter and Fort Moultrie. Astern of the Ironsides lay the> Nahant and Passaic - the latter farthest away from the flagship, and nearer> than any other vessel to the Morris Island shore. The South Carolina and the> Home were rocking on the restless tide some five or six hundred yards astern> of the ironclads.> The above was the position of the fleet when the first signal of> distress was made from the Weehawken, at a few minutes before 2 o'clock. The> signal was seen, and answered at once by the flagship, from which four boats> wee dispatched to her assistance, and by the South Carolina, which sent two> of her boats to the Weehawken's aid. - The tugs Dandelion and Iris were at> once called up, and with them Commander Duncan, of the Weehawken, who> chanced to be on the flagship, and in conversation with the Admiral, when> the signal was made, proceeded immediately, with the hope of running his> vessel on the beach. He had scarcely left when the officer of the deck made> out from the Weehawken a new signal, and immediately reported her to be> sinking. A moment after she settled swiftly down by the head, careened> slightly over to starboard and disappeared beneath the waves.> It is impossible to convey any idea of the appalling nature of this> disaster. - It came with the suddenness of a thunderbolt. When the first> signal of distress was made, no one divined how serious was the danger, and> when, at length the vessel went down, it was difficult for those who saw her> disappear to credit even the evidence of their own sense. The confusion on> the flagship, arising mainly from the difficulty of launching her boats, and> the desire of both officers and men to be first in them, was most intense> and painful. - The wind was now blowing with great fury, and the boats> which hastened from all sides to the scene, encountered great peril in> picking up from the water the few who had succeeded in getting away from the> Weehawken before she sunk. Almost at the very moment she went down some> twenty or more sprang to the boats and succeeded in getting away. - As many> others were rescued from the surging waves by the launches of the flagship,> the South Carolina and the tugboats Dandelion and Iris. Thirty perished.> All day the Weehawken had labored heavily in the sea, which kept her> decks constantly submerged, and which frequently swept in large volumes into> her forward hatch. Towards noon the crew commenced paying out chain, to ease> her; but, accustomed as they were, in every gale, to the shipping of such> seas, it is believed that they had grown confident and careless of danger,> and paid no heed to the encroaching waters until it was too late to resist> them. They dreamed of no peril until the waves had fairly yawned to swallow> them. - Then, when it was known for a certainty that the vessel was to be> lost, a panic of fright and fear benumbed them, and the terror-stricken crew> below had little power to help themselves. there were men in irons between> decks, and the sergeant-at-arms rushed frantically away to release them.> Poor fellows, they all went down. There were invalids in the sick bay, and> to their relief the surgeon sent his steward, who never returned. There were> firemen at the furnaces, to whom vain shrieks for a helping hand at the> pumps were made. A few of the confident were rushing to their quarters to> save their effects, jostling the timid on their way to the deck to save> themselves. It was in the midst of scenes like those that the Weehawken went> down.> I believe that none of the officers perished save the four assistant> engineers, who were overtaken by the flood before they could make any effort> to escape. - Commander Duncan had only taken command of the Weehawken on> Saturday, having been detached from the Paul Jones to relieve Commander> Calhoun. The officers' clothing, the paymaster's funds and the other papers> of the ship sank with her.> Various parties were picked up and taken to the nearest vessels, where> every provision was made for their comfort and restoration. Those of the> crew who were saved are now scattered in small squads throughout the fleet.> It is impossible to procure at present the names of those who were lost.> To Fleet Captain Bradford, Captain Ammen, and in fact to all the> officers and men of the flagship, great credit is due for their heroic> exertions in their frail boats for the rescue of the unfortunate crew. They> exposed themselves to great dangers in their efforts to render assistance to> others. Commander Ammen, acting under the orders of Admiral Dahlgren,> particularly risked himself in the conveyance of orders and precautionary> instructions to the remaining Monitors, performing the perilous duty in a> small boat.> The Weehawken is lying in five fathoms of water, and will soon be> raised. Until she is brought up, no one can tell with certainty why she> sank. It was thought no fault of her over-hang," for she apparently took in> no water except at her forward hatch and hawsehole. It was, to the best of> my knowledge, through the inattention, neglect and bad management of those> on board that the vessel has been lost. Had the pumps been set at work when> the waves first dashed in, it is probably that the Weehawken would at this> moment have been afloat. Had the bars with which her compartments were made> water-tight been in their proper place, it is quite likely that the dire> calamity would never have occurred.> Mr. Falcon, a practical diver, left Hilton Head this morning for the> scene of the disaster.> ~ Republican Advocate [Article, courtesy of correspondence of the N.Y.> Herald.]- Batavia - Genesee Co., NY> Tuesday, December 22-1863.> *********************************************> > The naval authorities of the Brooklyn Navy Yard have reported the> iron-clad> Lehigh ready for active service. She bursted a gun sometime since at> Fortress Monroe, and came North for a new one. On her arrival, however, she> was taken in and improved in every way. The turret gear, which got out of> order in one of the vessels during the first contest, is now rendered> inaccessible to projectiles of any description. A huge iron band, no less> than five feet in thickness, surrounds the lower part of the turret, and> preserves it from all effect of shot. The armament of the vessel has been> also changed. She has now one of the 15-inch Dahlgren guns, and a> 200-pounder Farret rifled. She has left New York for Charleston, to> reinforce the armored fleet doing such good service there.> The Lehigh is one of the original nine Iron-clads constructed> immediately after the Monitor.> *Republican Advocate - Batavia NY> August 25-1863.> *************************************************************************> > The Crossing at Fredericksburg.> [December 11th, 1862.]> > Miles Loquitur.> > I lay in my tent at midday,> Too full of pain to die.> When I heard the voice of Burnside,> And an answering shout reply.> > I heard the voice of the General -> 'Twas firm, though low and sad;> But the roar that followed his question> Laughed out till the hills were glad.> > "O, comrade, open the curtain,> And see where our men are bound,> For my heart is still in my bosom> At that terrible, mirthful sound.> > "And hark what the General orders,> For I could not catch his words;> And what means that hurry and movement,> That clash of muskets and swords?"> > "Lie still, Be still, my Captain,> 'Tis a call for volunteers;> And the noise that vexes your fever> Is only our soldiers' cheers."> > "Where go they?" "Across the river."> "O, God! and must I lie still,> While that drum and that measured trampling> Move from me far down the hill?> > "How many?" "I judge four hundred."> "Who are they? I'll know to a man."> "Our own Nineteenth and Twentieth,> And the Seventh Michigan."> > "O, to go, but to go with my comrades!> Tear the curtain away from the hook,> For I'll see them marched down to their glory,> If I perish by the look!"> > They leaped in the rocking shallops,> Ten offered where one could go;> And the breeze was alive with laughter> Till the boatmen began to row.> > Then the shore, where the rebels harbored,> Was fringed with a gush of flame,> And buzzing, like bees, o'er the water> The swarms of their bullets came.> > In silence, how dread and solemn!> With courage, how grand and true!> Steadily, steadily onward> The line of the shallops drew.> > Not a whisper. Each man was conscious.> He stood in the sight of death;> So he bowed to the awful presence,> And treasured his living breath.> > 'Twixt death in the air above them> And death in the waves below,> Through balls, and grape, and shrapnell,> They moved - my God ! how slow!> > And many a brave, stout fellow,> Who sprang in the boats with mirth,> Ere they made that fatal crossing> Was a load of lifeless earth.> > And many a brave, stout fellow,> Whose limbs with strength were rife,> Was torn, and crushed, and shattered -> A helpless wreck for life.> > But yet the boats moved onward;> Through fire and lead they drove,> With the dark, still mass within them,> And the floating stars above.> > So loud and near it sounded,> I started at the shout,> As the keels ground on the gravel,> And the eager men burst out.> > Cheer after cheer we sent them,> As only armies can -> Cheers for old Massachusetts,> Cheers for young Michigan !> > They formed in line of battle;> Not a man was out of place,> Then with levelled steel they hurled them> Straight in the rebels' face.> > "Oh ! help me, help me,comrade !> For tears my eyelids drown,> As I see their starry banners> Stream up that smoking town.> > "And see the noisy workmen> O'er the lengthening bridges run.> And the troops that swarm to cross them> When the rapid work be done.> > "For the old heat, or a new one,> flames up in every vein;> And with fever or with passion> I am faint as death again. > "If this is death, I care not!> Hear me, men, from rear to van! -> One more cheer for Massachusetts,> And one more for Michigan !"> > George H. 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On March 1, 1865, Senator Henry Wilson, chairman of the Senate Committee on Military Affairs and the Militia, introduced what he called "a little bill to which there can be no objection." Wilson's bill to "incorporate a National Military and Naval Asylum for the relief of the totally disabled officers and men of the volunteer forces of the United States," passed on March 3, 1865, with no debate. The legislation incorporated the National Asylum for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers and created homes in (in addition to your list) Hampton, Virginia; Leavenworth, Kansas; Sawtelle, California (near Los Angeles); Marion, Indiana; Danville, Illinois; Johnson City, Tennessee; the Battle Mountain Sanitarium at Hot Springs, South Dakota; Bath, New York; Roseburg, Oregon; St. Petersburg, Florida; Biloxi, Mississippi; and Tuskegee, Alabama Alice Gayley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stout" <ldstout@bellsouth.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:54 AM Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] SOLDIERS HOMES > After the Civil War the government opened 10 homes for disabled veyterans. > Four were opened by 1870 i.e., Togus Maine, Milwaukee Wisconsin, Dayton > Ohio and Hampton Virginia. I have someone who has soldiers listing for > Dayton Ohio. Does anyone know where I can find listings for the other > three cities? > > Roy Stout > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In regard to naval battles/blockades - yes, there were a lot! the old newsies tell the stories - I agree with Vicki - in school, I only heard of the land fighting for the most part - except for the Monitor and Merrimac. Below are some past newsies I'd submitted to the list - if you missed them and are interested in the navy of the wartime - Linda Appalling Disaster. The Monitor Weehawken Goes Down at Anchor in a Gale. Loss of Four Officers and Twenty-Six of her crew. United States Transport Fulton, Off Charleston Bar, Dec. 8. At two o'clock on Sunday afternoon, while a furious wind prevailed from the Northwest, the iron-clad Weekawken, lying at the entrance of Charleston harbor, went down at her anchorage - went suddenly, swiftly and unaccountably to the bottom - and carried with her, to a horrible death beneath the waves, four of her engineers and twenty-six of her crew. Saturday had been a bright and beautiful day, with scarcely a breath of air astir, and with a calm, unruffled sea. - During the night a breeze sprang up, and the wind, blowing freshly at daylight on Sunday, increased by noon to a violent storm. The iron-clad fleet lying meantime off its usual anchorage. The frigate New Ironsides was stationed off Morris Island, at a distance of about one mile due east from Fort Wagner - or, as it is now called, Fort Strong. North of the Ironsides lay the flagship Philadelphia, distant about four hundred yards. The Weekawken was next in line, anchored two or three hundred yards to the northward of the flagship. The Montauk was on picket duty, between Fort Sumter and Fort Moultrie. Astern of the Ironsides lay the Nahant and Passaic - the latter farthest away from the flagship, and nearer than any other vessel to the Morris Island shore. The South Carolina and the Home were rocking on the restless tide some five or six hundred yards astern of the ironclads. The above was the position of the fleet when the first signal of distress was made from the Weehawken, at a few minutes before 2 o'clock. The signal was seen, and answered at once by the flagship, from which four boats wee dispatched to her assistance, and by the South Carolina, which sent two of her boats to the Weehawken's aid. - The tugs Dandelion and Iris were at once called up, and with them Commander Duncan, of the Weehawken, who chanced to be on the flagship, and in conversation with the Admiral, when the signal was made, proceeded immediately, with the hope of running his vessel on the beach. He had scarcely left when the officer of the deck made out from the Weehawken a new signal, and immediately reported her to be sinking. A moment after she settled swiftly down by the head, careened slightly over to starboard and disappeared beneath the waves. It is impossible to convey any idea of the appalling nature of this disaster. - It came with the suddenness of a thunderbolt. When the first signal of distress was made, no one divined how serious was the danger, and when, at length the vessel went down, it was difficult for those who saw her disappear to credit even the evidence of their own sense. The confusion on the flagship, arising mainly from the difficulty of launching her boats, and the desire of both officers and men to be first in them, was most intense and painful. - The wind was now blowing with great fury, and the boats which hastened from all sides to the scene, encountered great peril in picking up from the water the few who had succeeded in getting away from the Weehawken before she sunk. Almost at the very moment she went down some twenty or more sprang to the boats and succeeded in getting away. - As many others were rescued from the surging waves by the launches of the flagship, the South Carolina and the tugboats Dandelion and Iris. Thirty perished. All day the Weehawken had labored heavily in the sea, which kept her decks constantly submerged, and which frequently swept in large volumes into her forward hatch. Towards noon the crew commenced paying out chain, to ease her; but, accustomed as they were, in every gale, to the shipping of such seas, it is believed that they had grown confident and careless of danger, and paid no heed to the encroaching waters until it was too late to resist them. They dreamed of no peril until the waves had fairly yawned to swallow them. - Then, when it was known for a certainty that the vessel was to be lost, a panic of fright and fear benumbed them, and the terror-stricken crew below had little power to help themselves. there were men in irons between decks, and the sergeant-at-arms rushed frantically away to release them. Poor fellows, they all went down. There were invalids in the sick bay, and to their relief the surgeon sent his steward, who never returned. There were firemen at the furnaces, to whom vain shrieks for a helping hand at the pumps were made. A few of the confident were rushing to their quarters to save their effects, jostling the timid on their way to the deck to save themselves. It was in the midst of scenes like those that the Weehawken went down. I believe that none of the officers perished save the four assistant engineers, who were overtaken by the flood before they could make any effort to escape. - Commander Duncan had only taken command of the Weehawken on Saturday, having been detached from the Paul Jones to relieve Commander Calhoun. The officers' clothing, the paymaster's funds and the other papers of the ship sank with her. Various parties were picked up and taken to the nearest vessels, where every provision was made for their comfort and restoration. Those of the crew who were saved are now scattered in small squads throughout the fleet. It is impossible to procure at present the names of those who were lost. To Fleet Captain Bradford, Captain Ammen, and in fact to all the officers and men of the flagship, great credit is due for their heroic exertions in their frail boats for the rescue of the unfortunate crew. They exposed themselves to great dangers in their efforts to render assistance to others. Commander Ammen, acting under the orders of Admiral Dahlgren, particularly risked himself in the conveyance of orders and precautionary instructions to the remaining Monitors, performing the perilous duty in a small boat. The Weehawken is lying in five fathoms of water, and will soon be raised. Until she is brought up, no one can tell with certainty why she sank. It was thought no fault of her over-hang," for she apparently took in no water except at her forward hatch and hawsehole. It was, to the best of my knowledge, through the inattention, neglect and bad management of those on board that the vessel has been lost. Had the pumps been set at work when the waves first dashed in, it is probably that the Weehawken would at this moment have been afloat. Had the bars with which her compartments were made water-tight been in their proper place, it is quite likely that the dire calamity would never have occurred. Mr. Falcon, a practical diver, left Hilton Head this morning for the scene of the disaster. ~ Republican Advocate [Article, courtesy of correspondence of the N.Y. Herald.]- Batavia - Genesee Co., NY Tuesday, December 22-1863. ********************************************* The naval authorities of the Brooklyn Navy Yard have reported the iron-clad Lehigh ready for active service. She bursted a gun sometime since at Fortress Monroe, and came North for a new one. On her arrival, however, she was taken in and improved in every way. The turret gear, which got out of order in one of the vessels during the first contest, is now rendered inaccessible to projectiles of any description. A huge iron band, no less than five feet in thickness, surrounds the lower part of the turret, and preserves it from all effect of shot. The armament of the vessel has been also changed. She has now one of the 15-inch Dahlgren guns, and a 200-pounder Farret rifled. She has left New York for Charleston, to reinforce the armored fleet doing such good service there. The Lehigh is one of the original nine Iron-clads constructed immediately after the Monitor. *Republican Advocate - Batavia NY August 25-1863. ************************************************************************* The Crossing at Fredericksburg. [December 11th, 1862.] Miles Loquitur. I lay in my tent at midday, Too full of pain to die. When I heard the voice of Burnside, And an answering shout reply. I heard the voice of the General - 'Twas firm, though low and sad; But the roar that followed his question Laughed out till the hills were glad. "O, comrade, open the curtain, And see where our men are bound, For my heart is still in my bosom At that terrible, mirthful sound. "And hark what the General orders, For I could not catch his words; And what means that hurry and movement, That clash of muskets and swords?" "Lie still, Be still, my Captain, 'Tis a call for volunteers; And the noise that vexes your fever Is only our soldiers' cheers." "Where go they?" "Across the river." "O, God! and must I lie still, While that drum and that measured trampling Move from me far down the hill? "How many?" "I judge four hundred." "Who are they? I'll know to a man." "Our own Nineteenth and Twentieth, And the Seventh Michigan." "O, to go, but to go with my comrades! Tear the curtain away from the hook, For I'll see them marched down to their glory, If I perish by the look!" They leaped in the rocking shallops, Ten offered where one could go; And the breeze was alive with laughter Till the boatmen began to row. Then the shore, where the rebels harbored, Was fringed with a gush of flame, And buzzing, like bees, o'er the water The swarms of their bullets came. In silence, how dread and solemn! With courage, how grand and true! Steadily, steadily onward The line of the shallops drew. Not a whisper. Each man was conscious. He stood in the sight of death; So he bowed to the awful presence, And treasured his living breath. 'Twixt death in the air above them And death in the waves below, Through balls, and grape, and shrapnell, They moved - my God ! how slow! And many a brave, stout fellow, Who sprang in the boats with mirth, Ere they made that fatal crossing Was a load of lifeless earth. And many a brave, stout fellow, Whose limbs with strength were rife, Was torn, and crushed, and shattered - A helpless wreck for life. But yet the boats moved onward; Through fire and lead they drove, With the dark, still mass within them, And the floating stars above. So loud and near it sounded, I started at the shout, As the keels ground on the gravel, And the eager men burst out. Cheer after cheer we sent them, As only armies can - Cheers for old Massachusetts, Cheers for young Michigan ! They formed in line of battle; Not a man was out of place, Then with levelled steel they hurled them Straight in the rebels' face. "Oh ! help me, help me,comrade ! For tears my eyelids drown, As I see their starry banners Stream up that smoking town. "And see the noisy workmen O'er the lengthening bridges run. And the troops that swarm to cross them When the rapid work be done. "For the old heat, or a new one, flames up in every vein; And with fever or with passion I am faint as death again. "If this is death, I care not! Hear me, men, from rear to van! - One more cheer for Massachusetts, And one more for Michigan !" George H. Boxer. ~ Republican Advocate, Batavia, Genesee Co., NY

Thank you Jim for the List, I will be looking through them once our storm passes.? What a fireworks display we are having for the holiday.? Vicki researching these from NY and PA mostly: Arwin, Baker, Barrett, Brokaw, Brandow, Butler,Carnes, Crowe, Dean, Ferris, Golden, Havens, Hendershott, Hoxter, Huber, Isaman, Jenks (all variations), Kelleher, Knapp, Koons, Lundrigan, Makeley, McDermott, Mehlenbacher, Merritt, Neu, Northrup, O'Connor, Osincup, Patterson, Powers, Quick, Rahmlow, Robertson, Robinson, Root, Ryan, Slaughter, Stocum, Wade, White, Wilcox, Wright, Van Oxx (Oxx), Vanbenschoter, Yeckley, Young, Zimmerman. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gilmer <jimgilmer@charter.net> To: civil-war@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 4:02 pm Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] Union and Confederate Navies For the lister who asked for info on the Union and Confederate Navies. http://homepages.dsu.edu/jankej/civilwar/navies.htm?sssdmh=dm13.167912 Jim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, thank you!? I am not a Navy buff either, but it just seemed strange to me that all you ever heard about was the land fighting.? Once in a while you would hear of boats on the Atlantic with blockades but not often.? Perhaps our history books thought we needed to know about them as much as the reasons we all learned here in my neck of the woods that the war was fought primarily over the slave issue.? The older I get the more I find it definately wasn't over the slaves per se although they did factor in, but manufacturing seemed to be at the heart of the issues more.? I personally don't care who or what started the war, I'm just sad that as usual no one could find a way other than war to settle the problem.? Vicki researching these from NY and PA mostly: Arwin, Baker, Barrett, Brokaw, Brandow, Butler,Carnes, Crowe, Dean, Ferris, Golden, Havens, Hendershott, Hoxter, Huber, Isaman, Jenks (all variations), Kelleher, Knapp, Koons, Lundrigan, Makeley, McDermott, Mehlenbacher, Merritt, Neu, Northrup, O'Connor, Osincup, Patterson, Powers, Quick, Rahmlow, Robertson, Robinson, Root, Ryan, Slaughter, Stocum, Wade, White, Wilcox, Wright, Van Oxx (Oxx), Vanbenschoter, Yeckley, Young, Zimmerman. -----Original Message----- From: Ted Myers <halmyers2002@yahoo.com> To: civil-war@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 11:58 am Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Army of Tennessee / Army of Vicksburg / Federal? Vicki, I am not a Navy buff, but maybe I can answer your question as best I can. Up on the upper of the Mississippi the Noth a Navy Flotilla. The Confederates decided they needed to build a River Defense Flotilla which they did in 1862. The Noth moved down the river and had a pitch battle with the Confederates near Fort Pillow. The Union Navy pushed the Confederates down to Memphis where a battle took place. The Confederate Flotilla was commanded by Capt J.E Montgomery. The battle took place on June 6,1862. The Union Flotilla wiped out the Confederate force confronting them. Four vessels were captured and three destroyed. One vessel the Van Dorn escaped to the Yazoo River were it was later destroyed. >From then on the Union had control of the River. However they had a very hard time getting by Vick- sburg. And was only able to get by at night. Also keep in mind these bouts were not Ironclads, most were converted steam boats. Most of the time heavy and light side wheelers. Lightly armored. They mostly battled short batteries and Forts. Hope I have helped answer your question. Ted Myers --- v10852@aol.com wrote: > I'm not really up on all the War details, but I do > have a question that perhaps someone here can > answer.? I know the North had a Navy and the South > had something similiar in place, now my question > is:? How many battles between the two sides if any > were fought on the Mississippi river? > > I've heard of battles along the Atlantic and some?of > the inland rivers off the Atlantic, but I've never > heard of any real battles on the Mississippi which > should have been a fertile area for fighting.? I > know the railroads had their share?of problems > between the two fighting armies, but not much > is?written that I have seen about the?Navy's of > either side.? Any Navy buffs out there?who can > answer?this question?? Vicki? > > > researching these from NY and PA mostly: Arwin, > Baker, Barrett, Brokaw, Brandow, Butler,Carnes, > Crowe, Dean, Ferris, Golden, Havens, Hendershott, > Hoxter, Huber, Isaman, Jenks (all variations), > Kelleher, Knapp, Koons, Lundrigan, Makeley, > McDermott, Mehlenbacher, Merritt, Neu, Northrup, > O'Connor, Osincup, Patterson, Powers, Quick, > Rahmlow, Robertson, Robinson, Root, Ryan, Slaughter, > Stocum, Wade, White, Wilcox, Wright, Van Oxx (Oxx), > Vanbenschoter, Yeckley, Young, Zimmerman. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alice Gayley <agayley@verizon.net> > To: civil-war@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, 23 May 2008 2:57 pm > Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Army of Tennessee / Army of > Vicksburg / Federal? > > > > Manaia, > > > > Artillery Corps: heavy weaponry? cannons? > Exactly. There was also > > "Light" artillery, but we'll save that for a later > time. > > > > Cavalry Corps: soldiers who rode on horses? > Exactly. Although sometimes > > when they fought in battle they dismounted. > > > > Infantry Corps: everyone else on foot? Right. > > > I'm trying to get the gist before I hit the books. > Is > > Corps short for Corporations? No, it's a French > term as in "esprit de > > corps." > > > > > It's a wonder anyone could win a war let alone > fight a > > war with all this planning and designing going on > just > > to strategize. > > Well, think about our foreign relations in today's > world. What else are > they except planned and designed strategies to > prevent some other country > from attacking us, either at home or elsewhere in > the world? Battle > strategies are almost as old as man himself. Think > about the Romans and the > Carthagens, or the British and the U. S. Army in the > Revolutionary war. War > is not simple; never has been. Yes, the individual > soldier has to run into > battle and shot at what he sees, but there are those > above him who have > picked his target, decided the direction in which he > will run, and the time > he steps off. > > Having grown up during WWII, I'm always in awe of > the men in the > Revolutionary and Civil Wars when linear warfare was > used. How could you > just line up and start shooting at each other, e. > g., Pickett's charge at > Gettysburg? It's easier to understand hiding behind > rocks, buildings, etc. > to protect yourself and not making yourself a > target. I'm all for ambush! > > Alice > > > "I'm tired already." More musings later. > > > > --Manaia > > > > ++++ > > > > --- Alice Gayley <agayley@verizon.net> wrote: > > > >> Manaia, > >> > >> Generally, > >> > >> An Army was made up of one Artillery Corps, one > >> Cavalry Corps and an > >> Infantry Corps. > >> > >> The Infantry Corps was made up of divisions (two > or > >> three or more). > >> Infantry Divisions were made up of Brigades > (usually > >> three or more) > >> Brigades were made up of Regiments (no fixed > number > >> generally three or four > >> or more) > >> Regiments were made up of Companies (Infantry > >> regiments usually had ten > >> companies designed as: A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, > >> and K), although there > >> were larger regiments. Cavalry regiments usually > >> had more than ten > >> companies. > >> > >> Battalions were larger than a regiment and > smaller > >> than regiment. Perhaps > >> some one else can speak to the size of a > battalion. > >> > >> Hope this helps, > >> Alice Gayley > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For the lister who asked for info on the Union and Confederate Navies. http://homepages.dsu.edu/jankej/civilwar/navies.htm?sssdmh=dm13.167912 Jim

Vicki, I am not a Navy buff, but maybe I can answer your question as best I can. Up on the upper of the Mississippi the Noth a Navy Flotilla. The Confederates decided they needed to build a River Defense Flotilla which they did in 1862. The Noth moved down the river and had a pitch battle with the Confederates near Fort Pillow. The Union Navy pushed the Confederates down to Memphis where a battle took place. The Confederate Flotilla was commanded by Capt J.E Montgomery. The battle took place on June 6,1862. The Union Flotilla wiped out the Confederate force confronting them. Four vessels were captured and three destroyed. One vessel the Van Dorn escaped to the Yazoo River were it was later destroyed. >From then on the Union had control of the River. However they had a very hard time getting by Vick- sburg. And was only able to get by at night. Also keep in mind these bouts were not Ironclads, most were converted steam boats. Most of the time heavy and light side wheelers. Lightly armored. They mostly battled short batteries and Forts. Hope I have helped answer your question. Ted Myers --- v10852@aol.com wrote: > I'm not really up on all the War details, but I do > have a question that perhaps someone here can > answer.? I know the North had a Navy and the South > had something similiar in place, now my question > is:? How many battles between the two sides if any > were fought on the Mississippi river? > > I've heard of battles along the Atlantic and some?of > the inland rivers off the Atlantic, but I've never > heard of any real battles on the Mississippi which > should have been a fertile area for fighting.? I > know the railroads had their share?of problems > between the two fighting armies, but not much > is?written that I have seen about the?Navy's of > either side.? Any Navy buffs out there?who can > answer?this question?? Vicki? > > > researching these from NY and PA mostly: Arwin, > Baker, Barrett, Brokaw, Brandow, Butler,Carnes, > Crowe, Dean, Ferris, Golden, Havens, Hendershott, > Hoxter, Huber, Isaman, Jenks (all variations), > Kelleher, Knapp, Koons, Lundrigan, Makeley, > McDermott, Mehlenbacher, Merritt, Neu, Northrup, > O'Connor, Osincup, Patterson, Powers, Quick, > Rahmlow, Robertson, Robinson, Root, Ryan, Slaughter, > Stocum, Wade, White, Wilcox, Wright, Van Oxx (Oxx), > Vanbenschoter, Yeckley, Young, Zimmerman. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alice Gayley <agayley@verizon.net> > To: civil-war@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, 23 May 2008 2:57 pm > Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Army of Tennessee / Army of > Vicksburg / Federal? > > > > Manaia, > > > > Artillery Corps: heavy weaponry? cannons? > Exactly. There was also > > "Light" artillery, but we'll save that for a later > time. > > > > Cavalry Corps: soldiers who rode on horses? > Exactly. Although sometimes > > when they fought in battle they dismounted. > > > > Infantry Corps: everyone else on foot? Right. > > > I'm trying to get the gist before I hit the books. > Is > > Corps short for Corporations? No, it's a French > term as in "esprit de > > corps." > > > > > It's a wonder anyone could win a war let alone > fight a > > war with all this planning and designing going on > just > > to strategize. > > Well, think about our foreign relations in today's > world. What else are > they except planned and designed strategies to > prevent some other country > from attacking us, either at home or elsewhere in > the world? Battle > strategies are almost as old as man himself. Think > about the Romans and the > Carthagens, or the British and the U. S. Army in the > Revolutionary war. War > is not simple; never has been. Yes, the individual > soldier has to run into > battle and shot at what he sees, but there are those > above him who have > picked his target, decided the direction in which he > will run, and the time > he steps off. > > Having grown up during WWII, I'm always in awe of > the men in the > Revolutionary and Civil Wars when linear warfare was > used. How could you > just line up and start shooting at each other, e. > g., Pickett's charge at > Gettysburg? It's easier to understand hiding behind > rocks, buildings, etc. > to protect yourself and not making yourself a > target. I'm all for ambush! > > Alice > > > "I'm tired already." More musings later. > > > > --Manaia > > > > ++++ > > > > --- Alice Gayley <agayley@verizon.net> wrote: > > > >> Manaia, > >> > >> Generally, > >> > >> An Army was made up of one Artillery Corps, one > >> Cavalry Corps and an > >> Infantry Corps. > >> > >> The Infantry Corps was made up of divisions (two > or > >> three or more). > >> Infantry Divisions were made up of Brigades > (usually > >> three or more) > >> Brigades were made up of Regiments (no fixed > number > >> generally three or four > >> or more) > >> Regiments were made up of Companies (Infantry > >> regiments usually had ten > >> companies designed as: A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, > >> and K), although there > >> were larger regiments. Cavalry regiments usually > >> had more than ten > >> companies. > >> > >> Battalions were larger than a regiment and > smaller > >> than regiment. Perhaps > >> some one else can speak to the size of a > battalion. > >> > >> Hope this helps, > >> Alice Gayley > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Another good Book "Beneath the Waters" by James E Hemphill ----- Original Message ----- From: <v10852@aol.com> To: <civil-war@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Army of Tennessee / Army of Vicksburg / Federal? > I'm not really up on all the War details, but I do have a question that > perhaps someone here can answer.? I know the North had a Navy and the > South had something similiar in place, now my question is:? How many > battles between the two sides if any were fought on the Mississippi river? > > I've heard of battles along the Atlantic and some?of the inland rivers off > the Atlantic, but I've never heard of any real battles on the Mississippi > which should have been a fertile area for fighting.? I know the railroads > had their share?of problems between the two fighting armies, but not much > is?written that I have seen about the?Navy's of either side.? Any Navy > buffs out there?who can answer?this question?? Vicki? > > > researching these from NY and PA mostly: Arwin, Baker, Barrett, Brokaw, > Brandow, Butler,Carnes, Crowe, Dean, Ferris, Golden, Havens, Hendershott, > Hoxter, Huber, Isaman, Jenks (all variations), Kelleher, Knapp, Koons, > Lundrigan, Makeley, McDermott, Mehlenbacher, Merritt, Neu, Northrup, > O'Connor, Osincup, Patterson, Powers, Quick, Rahmlow, Robertson, Robinson, > Root, Ryan, Slaughter, Stocum, Wade, White, Wilcox, Wright, Van Oxx (Oxx), > Vanbenschoter, Yeckley, Young, Zimmerman. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alice Gayley <agayley@verizon.net> > To: civil-war@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, 23 May 2008 2:57 pm > Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Army of Tennessee / Army of Vicksburg / Federal? > > > > Manaia, >> >> Artillery Corps: heavy weaponry? cannons? Exactly. There was also >> "Light" artillery, but we'll save that for a later time. >> >> Cavalry Corps: soldiers who rode on horses? Exactly. Although sometimes >> when they fought in battle they dismounted. >> >> Infantry Corps: everyone else on foot? Right. > >> I'm trying to get the gist before I hit the books. Is >> Corps short for Corporations? No, it's a French term as in "esprit de >> corps." > >> >> It's a wonder anyone could win a war let alone fight a >> war with all this planning and designing going on just >> to strategize. > > Well, think about our foreign relations in today's world. What else are > they except planned and designed strategies to prevent some other country > from attacking us, either at home or elsewhere in the world? Battle > strategies are almost as old as man himself. Think about the Romans and > the > Carthagens, or the British and the U. S. Army in the Revolutionary war. > War > is not simple; never has been. Yes, the individual soldier has to run > into > battle and shot at what he sees, but there are those above him who have > picked his target, decided the direction in which he will run, and the > time > he steps off. > > Having grown up during WWII, I'm always in awe of the men in the > Revolutionary and Civil Wars when linear warfare was used. How could you > just line up and start shooting at each other, e. g., Pickett's charge at > Gettysburg? It's easier to understand hiding behind rocks, buildings, > etc. > to protect yourself and not making yourself a target. I'm all for ambush! > > Alice > >> "I'm tired already." More musings later. >> >> --Manaia >> >> ++++ >> >> --- Alice Gayley <agayley@verizon.net> wrote: >> >>> Manaia, >>> >>> Generally, >>> >>> An Army was made up of one Artillery Corps, one >>> Cavalry Corps and an >>> Infantry Corps. >>> >>> The Infantry Corps was made up of divisions (two or >>> three or more). >>> Infantry Divisions were made up of Brigades (usually >>> three or more) >>> Brigades were made up of Regiments (no fixed number >>> generally three or four >>> or more) >>> Regiments were made up of Companies (Infantry >>> regiments usually had ten >>> companies designed as: A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, >>> and K), although there >>> were larger regiments. Cavalry regiments usually >>> had more than ten >>> companies. >>> >>> Battalions were larger than a regiment and smaller >>> than regiment. Perhaps >>> some one else can speak to the size of a battalion. >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> Alice Gayley >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thank you, I will check my library for this. researching these from NY and PA mostly: Arwin, Baker, Barrett, Brokaw, Brandow, Butler,Carnes, Crowe, Dean, Ferris, Golden, Havens, Hendershott, Hoxter, Huber, Isaman, Jenks (all variations), Kelleher, Knapp, Koons, Lundrigan, Makeley, McDermott, Mehlenbacher, Merritt, Neu, Northrup, O'Connor, Osincup, Patterson, Powers, Quick, Rahmlow, Robertson, Robinson, Root, Ryan, Slaughter, Stocum, Wade, White, Wilcox, Wright, Van Oxx (Oxx), Vanbenschoter, Yeckley, Young, Zimmerman. -----Original Message----- From: Alice Gayley <agayley@verizon.net> To: civil-war@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 24 May 2008 10:18 pm Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Army of Tennessee / Army of Vicksburg / Federal? A good book on the topic is Ivan Musicant's "Divided Waters: The Naval History of the Civil War," Edison, NJ: Castle Books, 2000. Alice Gayley -----Original Message----- From: civil-war-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:civil-war-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of v10852@aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:14 PM To: civil-war@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Army of Tennessee / Army of Vicksburg / Federal? I'm not really up on all the War details, but I do have a question that perhaps someone here can answer.? I know the North had a Navy and the South had something similiar in place, now my question is:? How many battles between the two sides if any were fought on the Mississippi river? I've heard of battles along the Atlantic and some?of the inland rivers off the Atlantic, but I've never heard of any real battles on the Mississippi which should have been a fertile area for fighting.? I know the railroads had their share?of problems between the two fighting armies, but not much is?written that I have seen about the?Navy's of either side.? Any Navy buffs out there?who can answer?this question?? Vicki? researching these from NY and PA mostly: Arwin, Baker, Barrett, Brokaw, Brandow, Butler,Carnes, Crowe, Dean, Ferris, Golden, Havens, Hendershott, Hoxter, Huber, Isaman, Jenks (all variations), Kelleher, Knapp, Koons, Lundrigan, Makeley, McDermott, Mehlenbacher, Merritt, Neu, Northrup, O'Connor, Osincup, Patterson, Powers, Quick, Rahmlow, Robertson, Robinson, Root, Ryan, Slaughter, Stocum, Wade, White, Wilcox, Wright, Van Oxx (Oxx), Vanbenschoter, Yeckley, Young, Zimmerman. -----Original Message----- From: Alice Gayley <agayley@verizon.net> To: civil-war@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 23 May 2008 2:57 pm Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Army of Tennessee / Army of Vicksburg / Federal? Manaia, > > Artillery Corps: heavy weaponry? cannons? Exactly. There was also > "Light" artillery, but we'll save that for a later time. > > Cavalry Corps: soldiers who rode on horses? Exactly. Although sometimes > when they fought in battle they dismounted. > > Infantry Corps: everyone else on foot? Right. > I'm trying to get the gist before I hit the books. Is > Corps short for Corporations? No, it's a French term as in "esprit de > corps." > > It's a wonder anyone could win a war let alone fight a > war with all this planning and designing going on just > to strategize. Well, think about our foreign relations in today's world. What else are they except planned and designed strategies to prevent some other country from attacking us, either at home or elsewhere in the world? Battle strategies are almost as old as man himself. Think about the Romans and the Carthagens, or the British and the U. S. Army in the Revolutionary war. War is not simple; never has been. Yes, the individual soldier has to run into battle and shot at what he sees, but there are those above him who have picked his target, decided the direction in which he will run, and the time he steps off. Having grown up during WWII, I'm always in awe of the men in the Revolutionary and Civil Wars when linear warfare was used. How could you just line up and start shooting at each other, e. g., Pickett's charge at Gettysburg? It's easier to understand hiding behind rocks, buildings, etc. to protect yourself and not making yourself a target. I'm all for ambush! Alice > "I'm tired already." More musings later. > > --Manaia > > ++++ > > --- Alice Gayley <agayley@verizon.net> wrote: > >> Manaia, >> >> Generally, >> >> An Army was made up of one Artillery Corps, one >> Cavalry Corps and an >> Infantry Corps. >> >> The Infantry Corps was made up of divisions (two or >> three or more). >> Infantry Divisions were made up of Brigades (usually >> three or more) >> Brigades were made up of Regiments (no fixed number >> generally three or four >> or more) >> Regiments were made up of Companies (Infantry >> regiments usually had ten >> companies designed as: A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, >> and K), although there >> were larger regiments. Cavalry regiments usually >> had more than ten >> companies. >> >> Battalions were larger than a regiment and smaller >> than regiment. Perhaps >> some one else can speak to the size of a battalion. >> >> Hope this helps, >> Alice Gayley > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A good book on the topic is Ivan Musicant's "Divided Waters: The Naval History of the Civil War," Edison, NJ: Castle Books, 2000. Alice Gayley -----Original Message----- From: civil-war-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:civil-war-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of v10852@aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:14 PM To: civil-war@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Army of Tennessee / Army of Vicksburg / Federal? I'm not really up on all the War details, but I do have a question that perhaps someone here can answer.? I know the North had a Navy and the South had something similiar in place, now my question is:? How many battles between the two sides if any were fought on the Mississippi river? I've heard of battles along the Atlantic and some?of the inland rivers off the Atlantic, but I've never heard of any real battles on the Mississippi which should have been a fertile area for fighting.? I know the railroads had their share?of problems between the two fighting armies, but not much is?written that I have seen about the?Navy's of either side.? Any Navy buffs out there?who can answer?this question?? Vicki? researching these from NY and PA mostly: Arwin, Baker, Barrett, Brokaw, Brandow, Butler,Carnes, Crowe, Dean, Ferris, Golden, Havens, Hendershott, Hoxter, Huber, Isaman, Jenks (all variations), Kelleher, Knapp, Koons, Lundrigan, Makeley, McDermott, Mehlenbacher, Merritt, Neu, Northrup, O'Connor, Osincup, Patterson, Powers, Quick, Rahmlow, Robertson, Robinson, Root, Ryan, Slaughter, Stocum, Wade, White, Wilcox, Wright, Van Oxx (Oxx), Vanbenschoter, Yeckley, Young, Zimmerman. -----Original Message----- From: Alice Gayley <agayley@verizon.net> To: civil-war@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 23 May 2008 2:57 pm Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Army of Tennessee / Army of Vicksburg / Federal? Manaia, > > Artillery Corps: heavy weaponry? cannons? Exactly. There was also > "Light" artillery, but we'll save that for a later time. > > Cavalry Corps: soldiers who rode on horses? Exactly. Although sometimes > when they fought in battle they dismounted. > > Infantry Corps: everyone else on foot? Right. > I'm trying to get the gist before I hit the books. Is > Corps short for Corporations? No, it's a French term as in "esprit de > corps." > > It's a wonder anyone could win a war let alone fight a > war with all this planning and designing going on just > to strategize. Well, think about our foreign relations in today's world. What else are they except planned and designed strategies to prevent some other country from attacking us, either at home or elsewhere in the world? Battle strategies are almost as old as man himself. Think about the Romans and the Carthagens, or the British and the U. S. Army in the Revolutionary war. War is not simple; never has been. Yes, the individual soldier has to run into battle and shot at what he sees, but there are those above him who have picked his target, decided the direction in which he will run, and the time he steps off. Having grown up during WWII, I'm always in awe of the men in the Revolutionary and Civil Wars when linear warfare was used. How could you just line up and start shooting at each other, e. g., Pickett's charge at Gettysburg? It's easier to understand hiding behind rocks, buildings, etc. to protect yourself and not making yourself a target. I'm all for ambush! Alice > "I'm tired already." More musings later. > > --Manaia > > ++++ > > --- Alice Gayley <agayley@verizon.net> wrote: > >> Manaia, >> >> Generally, >> >> An Army was made up of one Artillery Corps, one >> Cavalry Corps and an >> Infantry Corps. >> >> The Infantry Corps was made up of divisions (two or >> three or more). >> Infantry Divisions were made up of Brigades (usually >> three or more) >> Brigades were made up of Regiments (no fixed number >> generally three or four >> or more) >> Regiments were made up of Companies (Infantry >> regiments usually had ten >> companies designed as: A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, >> and K), although there >> were larger regiments. Cavalry regiments usually >> had more than ten >> companies. >> >> Battalions were larger than a regiment and smaller >> than regiment. Perhaps >> some one else can speak to the size of a battalion. >> >> Hope this helps, >> Alice Gayley > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not really up on all the War details, but I do have a question that perhaps someone here can answer.? I know the North had a Navy and the South had something similiar in place, now my question is:? How many battles between the two sides if any were fought on the Mississippi river? I've heard of battles along the Atlantic and some?of the inland rivers off the Atlantic, but I've never heard of any real battles on the Mississippi which should have been a fertile area for fighting.? I know the railroads had their share?of problems between the two fighting armies, but not much is?written that I have seen about the?Navy's of either side.? Any Navy buffs out there?who can answer?this question?? Vicki? researching these from NY and PA mostly: Arwin, Baker, Barrett, Brokaw, Brandow, Butler,Carnes, Crowe, Dean, Ferris, Golden, Havens, Hendershott, Hoxter, Huber, Isaman, Jenks (all variations), Kelleher, Knapp, Koons, Lundrigan, Makeley, McDermott, Mehlenbacher, Merritt, Neu, Northrup, O'Connor, Osincup, Patterson, Powers, Quick, Rahmlow, Robertson, Robinson, Root, Ryan, Slaughter, Stocum, Wade, White, Wilcox, Wright, Van Oxx (Oxx), Vanbenschoter, Yeckley, Young, Zimmerman. -----Original Message----- From: Alice Gayley <agayley@verizon.net> To: civil-war@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 23 May 2008 2:57 pm Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Army of Tennessee / Army of Vicksburg / Federal? Manaia, > > Artillery Corps: heavy weaponry? cannons? Exactly. There was also > "Light" artillery, but we'll save that for a later time. > > Cavalry Corps: soldiers who rode on horses? Exactly. Although sometimes > when they fought in battle they dismounted. > > Infantry Corps: everyone else on foot? Right. > I'm trying to get the gist before I hit the books. Is > Corps short for Corporations? No, it's a French term as in "esprit de > corps." > > It's a wonder anyone could win a war let alone fight a > war with all this planning and designing going on just > to strategize. Well, think about our foreign relations in today's world. What else are they except planned and designed strategies to prevent some other country from attacking us, either at home or elsewhere in the world? Battle strategies are almost as old as man himself. Think about the Romans and the Carthagens, or the British and the U. S. Army in the Revolutionary war. War is not simple; never has been. Yes, the individual soldier has to run into battle and shot at what he sees, but there are those above him who have picked his target, decided the direction in which he will run, and the time he steps off. Having grown up during WWII, I'm always in awe of the men in the Revolutionary and Civil Wars when linear warfare was used. How could you just line up and start shooting at each other, e. g., Pickett's charge at Gettysburg? It's easier to understand hiding behind rocks, buildings, etc. to protect yourself and not making yourself a target. I'm all for ambush! Alice > "I'm tired already." More musings later. > > --Manaia > > ++++ > > --- Alice Gayley <agayley@verizon.net> wrote: > >> Manaia, >> >> Generally, >> >> An Army was made up of one Artillery Corps, one >> Cavalry Corps and an >> Infantry Corps. >> >> The Infantry Corps was made up of divisions (two or >> three or more). >> Infantry Divisions were made up of Brigades (usually >> three or more) >> Brigades were made up of Regiments (no fixed number >> generally three or four >> or more) >> Regiments were made up of Companies (Infantry >> regiments usually had ten >> companies designed as: A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, >> and K), although there >> were larger regiments. Cavalry regiments usually >> had more than ten >> companies. >> >> Battalions were larger than a regiment and smaller >> than regiment. Perhaps >> some one else can speak to the size of a battalion. >> >> Hope this helps, >> Alice Gayley > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Jim you are so right! ---- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gilmer" <jimgilmer@charter.net> To: <civil-war@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Fw: Re: Army of Tennessee / Army of Vicksburg/Federal? > Manaia, > >>From reading all your posts, it appears that you are quite interested in > digging deep into civil war history. As most of these folks who are > posting > are saying, as you research deeper, try to keep an open mind as to the > perspective of the North and the South. If we don't form pre-conclusions > as > to which side was right and which side was wrong, but try to understand > where each side was coming from, we will get a much deeper understanding > of > the issues that culminated in this brother against brother holocaust. > > Jim > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Manaia Alofa > Date: 5/23/2008 3:09:41 PM > To: civil-war@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Fw: Re: Army of Tennessee / Army of Vicksburg > /Federal? > > Hello Jim: > > Glad you could join in... > > uhm... Now that I have a little bit more incite (just > a little) I can safely say it is still too early for > me to make comment - grin. > > But I will. > >> From the Northern perspective, the South was >> rebelling. > > At this precise moment in time, my mind wonders about > the book I haven't finished "Gandhi & Churchill: The > Epic Rivalry that Destroyed an Empire and Forged Our > Age". Were Southerners indiscreetly showing Ghandi > idealism to Lincoln's abrupt ways of governing? Just > one thought. > >> From the Southern >> perspective, the North was the aggressor. > > Now this part of your statement kind of cancels out my > statement about the South - doesn't it? > > Time for more research. Too early to make good any > kind of judgement. > > Thanks! > > --Manaia > > ++++ > > --- Jim Gilmer <jimgilmer@charter.net> wrote: > >> >> >> -------Original Message------- >> >> From: Jim Gilmer >> Date: 5/23/2008 1:32:44 PM >> To: civil-war@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Army of Tennessee / Army of >> Vicksburg / Federal? >> >> >From the Northern perspective, the South was >> rebelling. From the Southern >> perspective, the North was the aggressor. >> >> Jim > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Manaia, I'm sorry in my one statement bothered you. Instead of trying to go into a lot of details, I simply used this statement to keep things simple, hoping to avoid any problems on the list. However, since this statement bother's you, I feel I should elaborate on what I meant when I stated, "The Southern states seceded from the Union and just wanted to be left alone." Although the war was fought over a number of reasons, and I'm not going to get into all of these, the primary factor was that of most wars: MONEY. Many Southerners believed that the Federal government had been acting in an unconstitutional manner for many years, particularly with regard to its fiscal and trade policies, with these policies imposing disproportionate harm on the South. During this time prior to the war, the South was the primary source of all federal revenue. The South had only a small manufacturing base, with most of its manufactured goods coming from the North or Europe. Since the South was so dependent on trade, by 1860 the Southern states were paying in excess of 80% of all tariffs in the country, with most of this money being spent in the North on industrialization. Before secession, the Morrill Tariff bill even proposed raising the current tariff rate by as much as 250% on some items. Even as early as 1828, Senator Thomas H. Benton stated the following: "Before the Revolution [the South] was the seat of wealth as well as hospitality. Wealth has fled from the South, and settled in regions north of the Potomac: and this in the face of the fact, that the South, in four staples alone, has exported produce, since the Revolution, to the value of eight hundred millions of dollars; and the North has exported comparatively nothing. Such an export would indicate unparalleled wealth, but what is the fact? Under Federal legislation, the exports of the South have been the basis of the Federal revenue. Virginia, the two Carolinas, and Georgia, may be said to defray three-fourths of the annual expense of supporting the Federal Government; and of this great sum, annually furnished by them, nothing or next to nothing is returned to them in the shape of Government expenditures. That expenditure flows in an opposite direction - it flows northwardly, in on uniform, uninterrupted, and perennial stream. This is the reason why wealth disappears from the South and rises up in the North. Federal legislation does all this." In one message to Congress, President James Buchanan even stated, "The South had not had her share of money from the treasury, and unjust discrimination had been made against her." Also, when Lincoln was asked why the North should let the South go by many, his reply was, "Let the South go? Let the South go! Where then shall we get our revenues?" To sum it up, the Southern States wished to form their own government in a peaceful manner, where the wealth of the South would stay in the South to help her people instead of helping the North grow into an even bigger industrial giant. Edward

Manaia, >From reading all your posts, it appears that you are quite interested in digging deep into civil war history. As most of these folks who are posting are saying, as you research deeper, try to keep an open mind as to the perspective of the North and the South. If we don't form pre-conclusions as to which side was right and which side was wrong, but try to understand where each side was coming from, we will get a much deeper understanding of the issues that culminated in this brother against brother holocaust. Jim -------Original Message------- From: Manaia Alofa Date: 5/23/2008 3:09:41 PM To: civil-war@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Fw: Re: Army of Tennessee / Army of Vicksburg /Federal? Hello Jim: Glad you could join in... uhm... Now that I have a little bit more incite (just a little) I can safely say it is still too early for me to make comment - grin. But I will. > From the Northern perspective, the South was > rebelling. At this precise moment in time, my mind wonders about the book I haven't finished "Gandhi & Churchill: The Epic Rivalry that Destroyed an Empire and Forged Our Age". Were Southerners indiscreetly showing Ghandi idealism to Lincoln's abrupt ways of governing? Just one thought. > From the Southern > perspective, the North was the aggressor. Now this part of your statement kind of cancels out my statement about the South - doesn't it? Time for more research. Too early to make good any kind of judgement. Thanks! --Manaia ++++ --- Jim Gilmer <jimgilmer@charter.net> wrote: > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Jim Gilmer > Date: 5/23/2008 1:32:44 PM > To: civil-war@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Army of Tennessee / Army of > Vicksburg / Federal? > > >From the Northern perspective, the South was > rebelling. From the Southern > perspective, the North was the aggressor. > > Jim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message