Your reply is accurate, Alice. It seems the people that are tossing the snide remarks are the people who think this list is for "fun & games", regardless of hurt feelings on the part of some participants. Why is this allowed to continue! Lew in Co.

Yes, Ms. Caroline sent me a love note also. She wrote: "You are beginning to bore everyone on this forum with your cry-baby attitude and whining. If you can't stand the heat get out so the tube can clear for meaningful dicsussion." This was the lady who was inspired to be more careful and considerate in what she wrote. I am saving the mail in case it is desired as proof of her bad behavior. Sharon

Carolyn, Thought the list might like to see how you treat fellow list members. Rest assured that any future message you send direct to me will be forwarded to this list. Mike Ruddy should be interested in your actions and comments. Alice Gayley Pennsylvania in the Civil War -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Chickens-- Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 23:17:33 EDT From: NCarolinaCME@aol.com To: agayley@dgs.dgsys.com You are beginning to bore me. If you can't stand the heat get the hell out! > > Perhaps no other comments were made because the sentence > already has too many oxymorons. > > Alice Gayley

I guess the email on guidelines didn´t make it through the 4th of July traffic. Night all. Mike Ruddy List Maintenance Civil War

I found this quote on a little known website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mruddy/guidline.htm GUIDELINES When you send a message to the list ask yourself what is my purpose? 1) Is it to edify the members as to information relative to the CIVIL WAR, unknown to the members, which they might want to know? or.......... 2) Is it to request from the members information a member may have which one of us, as a member, doesn't know? By all means post it to the List! ON THE OTHER HAND Is it to answer someone who has written something which, in YOUR eyes, is provocative, ignorant, stupid, or have nothing to do with the Civil War? THEN If you feel like responding, send a message to the *INDIVIDUAL* Not the list.

Sharon Workman wrote: > It isn't only newsgroups. I just found a long diatribe against America > posted on a fine Civil War discussion board - a small one with only a few > regular posters. This was just one sentence of the long dissertation > supposedly written to celebrate the Fourth. > > "I will remember that Southern God-fearing men established this Republic and > that godless Northern men presided over its demise." > > Well, I spoke my piece about that. I am never quite sure whether it's best > to ignore drivel or oppose it. That one had no other comments. Sharon, Perhaps no other comments were made because the sentence already has too many oxymorons. Alice Gayley -- Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/

List Administrator: Please unsuscribe my old e-mail address lacenter@attbi.com. I have already resuscribed as lacenter@comcast.net and am getting two copies of your e-mails. Lee Anne Center

Thanks, Scott. I know you won't be offended if I say I laughed aloud, recalling seeing all that garbage any time I tried to use those newsgroups. I would subscribe, read for ten minutes, and unsubscribe. I did that about four times over four years, plan never to do it again. It isn't only newsgroups. I just found a long diatribe against America posted on a fine Civil War discussion board - a small one with only a few regular posters. This was just one sentence of the long dissertation supposedly written to celebrate the Fourth. "I will remember that Southern God-fearing men established this Republic and that godless Northern men presided over its demise." Well, I spoke my piece about that. I am never quite sure whether it's best to ignore drivel or oppose it. That one had no other comments. Sharon

If anyone thinks the following examples are "good natured humor", "part of the fun" or "take it in stride", then this world has genuinely has turned upside down. Perhaps we are exagerrating and misusing the term "Hatemonger". But I think these persons have ruined the atmosphere of civil discussion. They have destroyed the "alt.war.civil.usa" newsgroup and are apparently hitting other places as well. These are some of "clean" examples. I hope we take precautions to prevent this from coming here. --Scott K. Williams Examples: "This isn't your classroom, Herr Professor." Sure isn't ... because you would have failed long ago. But I see you are practicing up on your German. Fellow travelers? "You can't turn the questions back on the questioner." Sure I can, you bozo. You can't control the discussion here. :) "You don't get to pick and choose who speaks to you." Of course not, you twit. Who said I could? Are you a bit psycho? Or are you blinded by your hood? You simply can't take it; neither could Now you whine. Poor baby. You are beginning to sound like the lite cunnel and Bare End. "You can't control the discussion here." So what? Seems to me you are the control freak, with telling people what they can and can't do. This isn't slavery, you know, so perhaps you can stop playing Massa. You might find that hard to do. You are simply pathetic.. Try not to hold yourself up as a prime example of the paucity of neo-Confederate intelligence. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The guy nobody wants around. He has no ethics, no honor, no integrity. He is a selfish piece of subhuman racist garbage. Get out now ! Stay out! You have nothing to contribute here that has any value, or that anyone wants to see. Get out! Stay out! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GET OFF THIS NEWSGROUP ! STAY OFF! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO POST HERE WITH YOUR LIES AND DEMANDS. YOU HAVE NO STANDING HERE,. AND CERTAINLY NO CREDIBILITY. YOU'VE PROVED MY ASSESSMENT OF YOU REPEATEDLY FOR YEARS NOW YOU ARROGANT ASS. GET OUT AND STAY OUT! ______________________________________________________________

In a message dated 07/02/2003 7:17:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mpruddy@msn.com writes: > That is an important point, some folks fire off a post they know is > controversial to see what happens, while others on the list who reverently > believe their ancestors and their cause require respect and not jocularity, > take offense immediately when such a post arrives. That was a very good summary of what we should be doing, and l must say that l, (guilty of having fired off a few of those posts), have been inspired, and speaking for myself, will endeavor to be more considerate of my friends on this list in the future. Respectfully, Carolyn M. Woody-Fuller "Remember the days of old; consider the generations long past." (Deuteronomy 32:7a)

Yes I have both My mothers one side and my father the ohter fun AHuh Callie

In a message dated 7/2/03 1:10:04 AM !!!First Boot!!!, hyacinth@ala.net writes: > I'm 50 years old .... I have eight direct ancestors -- > Lawsy, I feel old <VBG> I am running hard at 60 and forgot one of my Mississippi Lacys!! Shame on me <G> Great granddaddy Mathew Michie Lacy Eliz

In a message dated 7/2/03 12:06:55 AM !!!First Boot!!!, doodie@deltaland.net writes: > Does anybody else have ancestors who were both Union &Confederate? > GGUncle, Simpson P. PRUETT d. at Andersonville Prison where GGrandfather, Samuel > Anthony HATFIELD was a guard. Paternal kin were TN, 7th Cav. USA and maternal > kin were Burkaloo Rifle Inf. GA CSA. > I suspect I do <G> or at anyrate family tales say I have some Yankee kin who fought, my ggf George Lewis being one. For the South-- more than I have time to count. My gggf died 1862 Richmond, Edward Groce Wills, his son, my ggf, was taken prisoner and paroled 4 times; the fifth he went to Camp Chase, Ohio til the end of the war, they were from Jackson Co Ga. EGW's brothers also fought as did his uncles. Four of them died during the war. Eliz

In a message dated 7/2/03 6:52:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Va8thVolsCoG@aol.com writes: The above fact, combined with eyewitness accounts of Pickett's absence, dare we ask your conclusion? Ed: Thanks for your kind words. I find it hard to believe that Pickett or anyone of his staff was not injured during the charge. If you remove his group from the equation, you have an 80% casualty rate for mounted soldiers of the Division. If you factor that through Pickett's group, then you should have about 4-5 men injured or killed during the assault if they rode the assault to its completion. The further they go, of course, the greater their chance at mortality. I have read that he made it to the Codori farm. Seems the group would have lost a couple by then. Could General Pickett been sitting next to "Old Pete" watching his boys through binoculars? I don't think he was very close to the action, or IMHO, more of his staff would have been among the casualties. Sincerely, Mike Peters npeters102@aol.com

NCarolinaCMF@aol.com wrote: Why is it so difficult to understand that most of the discussions are in good > natured fun, sure we are snippy with each other, and like to get "the other side" going. > That is part of the fun! l hope that most of us are mature enough to take it in > stride. I could go along with your assessment of "good natured fun" if there was give and take on both sides. I wonder what the reaction would be if "the other side" started matching your "good natured fun" comment for comment... Alice Gayley -- Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/

In a message dated 7/2/2003 2:54:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NPeters102@aol.com writes: > Besides Pickett &his staff, only 2 mounted men escaped injury or capture. Mike: Your focus, objectivity and patience are shining examples for this forum. The above fact, combined with eyewitness accounts of Pickett's absence, dare we ask your conclusion? Ed

In a message dated 7/2/03 6:28:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NCarolinaCMF@aol.com writes: Do you think that Robert E. Lee put everything into his leadership of the Confederate army? Sometimes l think, by things l read about him, that he might have been torn between his love for preserving the Union, and his loyalty to his home of Virginia, and if so, did this affect the outcome of the war. Any thoughts on this? Carolyn: I don't think that Lee put everything he had into his leadership but I don't believe it was because of an inner struggle of Union vs. Confederacy. I believe it was caused by his medical condition. During the war Lee started experiencing the symptoms of Ischemic Heart Disease. Another time, Lee wrote about experiencing the side effects of quinine. Sincerely, Mike Peters npeters102@aol.com

In a message dated 07/02/2003 1:59:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, workman@dreamscape.com writes: > I wonder why that is, and why folks who are filled with bitterness and > rancor want to keep it in the forefront of their minds by "participating" in > these discussion groups. Hi List. Why is it so difficult to understand that most of the discussions are in good natured fun, sure we are snippy with each other, and like to get "the other side" going. That is part of the fun! l hope that most of us are mature enough to take it in stride. Now, something l have been thinking about and wondered if anyone else perhaps had the same thoughts...Do you think that Robert E. Lee put everything into his leadership of the Confederate army? Sometimes l think, by things l read about him, that he might have been torn between his love for preserving the Union, and his loyalty to his home of Virginia, and if so, did this affect the outcome of the war. Any thoughts on this? Carolyn M. Woody-Fuller ULYSSES S. GRANT 19th c. American general, president. While in command of the 13th Army Corps, headquartered at Oxford, Mississippi, he became so infuriated at Jewish camp followers attempting to penetrate the conquered territory that he finally attempted to expell the Jews: I have long since believed that in spite of all the vigilance that can be infused into post commanders, the specie regulations of the Treasury Department have been violated, and that mostly by Jews and other unprincipled traders. So well satisfied have I been of this that I instructed the commanding officer at Columbus to refuse all permits to Jews to come South, and I have frequently had them expelled from the department, but they come in with their carpet-sacks in spite of all that can be done to prevent it. The Jews seem to be a privileged class that can travel anywhere. They will land at any woodyard on the river and make their way through the country. If not permitted to buy cotton themselves, they will act as agents for someone else, who will be at a military post with a Treasury permit to receive cotton and pay for it in Treasury notes which the Jew will buy up at an agreed rate, paying gold. (Letter to C. P. Wolcott, assistant secretary of war, Washington, December 17, 1862)

>That is part of the fun! I hope that most of us are mature enough to take it in >stride. That is an important point, some folks fire off a post they know is controversial to see what happens, while others on the list who reverently believe their ancestors and their cause require respect and not jocularity, take offense immediately when such a post arrives. Alice´s response lead me to believe perhaps my perception is not fogged over from being on the list for so long, when it seems many times the same one who tosses out one of these inflamatory quotes become absolutely incensed and begins calling people names when there is a reponse in kind from the opposite viewpoint. When those two collide a flame war is inevitable. That is why the guidelines specifically address this problem and mention a few items which can create animosity and then ask people to respect others in their post in those subjects. Perhaps maturity is also shown by not making inflamatory posts in the first place. With one glaring exception, the majority of the information has been posted respectfully for nigh onto a week on a subject which used to guarantee foul language and references to one´s progenitors and lack of acumen. Moreover because posting has all been done in an edifying manner, we all get to learn something, instead delete every incoming message and finally unsubscribe. Perhaps maturity is setting in...... Mike "There are those who believe we may have brought the art of flogging a dead horse to its denouement when the horse gets up and strides away from the discussion." -Mike Ruddy July 2, 2003

In a message dated 7/2/03 1:59:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Va8thVolsCoG@aol.com writes: "A Board of three officers, consisting of General Dearing, Captain Fairfax and myself, having sometime previously been appointed by General Longstreet to appraise all the private horses in the corps, I think I know every horse that went into the Charge. General Dearing and Captain Fairfax appraised my thoroughbred sorrel "Rebel" by Baily Peyton, at fifteen hundred dollars, which was higher than the appraisement of any other horse in the corps. General Garnett's bay thoroughbred "Red Eye" coming next at twelve hundred, both he and his rider were killed. Captain Jones bay mare was shot under him as was Col. Huntons. General Kemper was shot off his bay as was Col. Williams from his brown mare, and if there was any other horse that went into the Charge, I do not know it." Ed: There were 16 men of Pickett's Division who rode mounts. 6 of the 16 were Pickett & his staff. As you have mentioned those 6 came through the assault without injury. Other riders weren't as lucky. General Kemper was wounded & captured. Capt. Pollock, of Kemper's staff, killed. Lt. Geiger, of Kemper's staff, wounded, captured & later died. Col. Williams, 1st VA Infantry, killed. General Garnett, killed. Lt. Jones, Garnett's staff, wounded. Col. Hunton, 8th VA Infantry, wounded. Private Irvine, courier for Garnett, horse killed. Besides Pickett & his staff, only 2 mounted men escaped injury or capture. They were: Capt. Fry, Adjutant General of Kemper's brigade. Private Walker, orderly to General Kemper. Sincerely, Mike Peters npeters102@aol.com