Saralie writes: " Personally, I'm much less interested in the 'cause' of an historical event than I am in the experience of the people involved in it. Guess I'm just a people person...." Fantastic, Saralie! That's a perfect way of expressing my interests, also. The controversies and disputes between Confederate partisans and Federal partisans have been done to death. When I asked Edward for clarification, I opened a door without thinking, and I apologize for that and withdraw the question. Sharon

In a message dated 07/23/2003 10:53:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eharding2@cox.net writes: > The good and bad from both North and > > South should be taught, but from sources which are unbiased (and yes, you > > can find unbiased sources). > So where are these unbiased sources? It is my believe that the Civil War was the result of a crime against the South. Our right to succession was trampled by Northern greed. Did we or did we not have the right to secede from the Union? From what l have learned about state's rights, we did! Any thoughts? Carolyn "Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the War; will be impressed by all the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision." --- General Pat Cleburne, CSA

Sharon, I apologize that the email I sent went to you privately instead of to the list, which was my intent. Just so all can read what my email was, I'm forwarding it to the list. In no way did I mean to sound rude. I just truly believe education to our youth is important, and history should be taught from FACTS, not interpretations or revised history. I apologize to you and the members of the list for even bringing this up. Edward > My posting to this list about educating our children with facts, not > revisionists history was in no means something to spur any kind of debate. > When I speak of wanting to help educators teach about the War, my intention > was to seek help for our educators...something people are so unwilling to do > now....people helping them learn little known and seldom taught facts about > the War to help broaden the minds of our youth. > > Yes, I have seen a number of history books which students in North Carolina > have been taught from. Too many actual facts are left out, only to be > replaced by generalizations from our modern day historians. Yes, I have > seen a lot of "revised history" and I for one truly believe our children > should be taught facts......and firsthand diaries, manuscripts, etc, should > be implemented in these studies. The good and bad from both North and > South should be taught, but from sources which are unbiased (and yes, you > can find unbiased sources). > > Sharon, if you want to start a debate over this, that is your prerogative, > but I won't be a part of it. All I was attempting to do was to get people > with a very good factual knowledge of this War to volunteer some time to > help our educators. That's it, period. > > In my talks to school classes, I have spoken of the good and bad from BOTH > sides in the War, trying to show how horrible this time in history > was.....and I did it with Facts....not my own interpretation of how I think > things should have been. > > There is absolutely no need to debate what is fact and what is revised > history. I've read books with both, and I'll stick to the ones with the > FACTS. > > I will watch to see if this turns into a debate, and if it does turn into > one like some I've seen in the past, I will most certainly contact Mr. Ruddy > and unsubscribe from this list as I don't want to be bombarded in email with > a lot of "what ifs?" Everyone has their own opinion, and even though I am > Southern, I honestly try to teach what actually DID happen, and not what I > or anyone else wishes happened. No matter if it's this War, the Mexican > War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc., the facts should be taught, not > someone's interpretation of what they THINK happened. > > As the old saying goes, "If we don't learn from history, it's bound to > repeat itself." > > Edward >

Hello Edward: Thank you for posting a copy of your letter to the list so we could have the facts of this discussion without wondering what had been said. You have been very helpful to me in understanding the elements of this war as it related to my great grandfather there in North Carolina and I appreciate your contributions to the discussions here. However, I understand and also appreciate your reticence to enter into debates online that are opinion heavy and fact light. They offer no assistance to genealogy or history studies and steal precious time as I hopefully read them instead of deleting them unread as I would regular spam. Is it truly necesssary for a discussion of possible ways to help teachers with facts about the civil war to degenerate into opinions about the war? It seems to me that if such postings are totally ignored and just deleted by everyone, they soon cease. Am I being naive? Personally, I'm much less interested in the 'cause' of an historical event than I am in the experience of the people involved in it. Guess I'm just a people person.... Saralie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Harding" <eharding2@cox.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:53 AM Subject: Fw: [CIVIL-WAR] Proper Education > > Sharon, I apologize that the email I sent went to you privately instead of > to the list, which was my intent. Just so all can read what my email was, > I'm forwarding it to the list. > > In no way did I mean to sound rude. I just truly believe education to our > youth is important, and history should be taught from FACTS, not > interpretations or revised history. I apologize to you and the members of > the list for even bringing this up. > > Edward > > > My posting to this list about educating our children with facts, not > > revisionists history was in no means something to spur any kind of debate. > > When I speak of wanting to help educators teach about the War, my > intention > > was to seek help for our educators...something people are so unwilling to > do > > now....people helping them learn little known and seldom taught facts > about > > the War to help broaden the minds of our youth. > > > > Yes, I have seen a number of history books which students in North > Carolina > > have been taught from. Too many actual facts are left out, only to be > > replaced by generalizations from our modern day historians. Yes, I have > > seen a lot of "revised history" and I for one truly believe our children > > should be taught facts......and firsthand diaries, manuscripts, etc, > should > > be implemented in these studies. The good and bad from both North and > > South should be taught, but from sources which are unbiased (and yes, you > > can find unbiased sources). > > > > Sharon, if you want to start a debate over this, that is your prerogative, > > but I won't be a part of it. All I was attempting to do was to get > people > > with a very good factual knowledge of this War to volunteer some time to > > help our educators. That's it, period. > > > > In my talks to school classes, I have spoken of the good and bad from BOTH > > sides in the War, trying to show how horrible this time in history > > was.....and I did it with Facts....not my own interpretation of how I > think > > things should have been. > > > > There is absolutely no need to debate what is fact and what is revised > > history. I've read books with both, and I'll stick to the ones with the > > FACTS. > > > > I will watch to see if this turns into a debate, and if it does turn into > > one like some I've seen in the past, I will most certainly contact Mr. > Ruddy > > and unsubscribe from this list as I don't want to be bombarded in email > with > > a lot of "what ifs?" Everyone has their own opinion, and even though I > am > > Southern, I honestly try to teach what actually DID happen, and not what I > > or anyone else wishes happened. No matter if it's this War, the Mexican > > War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc., the facts should be taught, not > > someone's interpretation of what they THINK happened. > > > > As the old saying goes, "If we don't learn from history, it's bound to > > repeat itself." > > > > Edward > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe > >

Carol, Although I can not specifically help you with your quest, this sounds like 'aiding and abetting the enemy'. Have you looked into any court records: military court records, civil court records, etc? Maybe you will find something there. There is a resource called "Civilians and Non-Combatants of The Confederacy," with details of how someone used these records at this website http://www.hgftx.org/LGO/Henri/Why_I_Do_Genealogy.htm Maybe this will help you find some answers. Shari > Hi, > I`m interested in finding information on the civil war and the people who > lived and faught on top of Big Black Mountain during the civil war. > I believe this mountain was called The Cumberland Mountain then. > I`m especially interested in the feude between John Garrison(1812-1863) and > Richard Pearl Morris (1812-1864). > John lived on top of this mountain in Harlan Co. and Richard lived on The > Powell Mountain, Big Stone Gap, Va. > They was brother inlaws. > Richard was a civil war soldier for the Confederate. > John was to have sold horses to The Northern Union. > Richard came to Johns place and shot and killed Him. > I would like to find out what this was about. > Was it a personal thing or what ? > Carol carol@ure.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Johnson, Steve GS-7 (NSANAP PSA)" <johnsons@nsa.naples.navy.mil> > To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 1:09 PM > Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] 1863 NY RIOTS > > > > I am interested in getting more information on the 1863 NY Riots and the > 7th > > Regiment Regular Infantry. > > > > Thank You > > Steve Johnson > > Naples, Italy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: CIVIL-WAR-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > [SMTP:CIVIL-WAR-D-request@rootsweb.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:00 AM > > > To: CIVIL-WAR-D@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: CIVIL-WAR-D Digest V03 #155 > > > > > > << Message: Untitled Attachment >> << Message: [CIVIL-WAR] James A. > > > McNiece >> << Message: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] James A. McNiece >> > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > and enter Civil-War in the list name > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe >

When we mention "revisionist" Civil War history it almost always deals in the "cause". Before we waste a lot of words. We need to be on the same page, not arguing apples vs. oranges. Please be precise and define the part of revisionist history you are referring. For instance for "cause" we could have: Cause of North-South Conflict (antebellum prewar) Cause of Secession (1st wave, lower South) Cause of Secession (2nd wave, upper South) Cause of Secession (for an individual State) Cause of fighting (war) Cause of the Soldiers Lincoln's Cause "Southern Cause" (watch it, this is a loaded word defined differently depending on the speaker) Perhaps some others. Scott K. Williams

"Johnson, Steve GS-7 (NSANAP PSA)" wrote: > > I am interested in getting more information on the 1863 NY Riots and the 7th > Regiment Regular Infantry. -------------------------- Hi Steve, Check out this page for info on the NYC draft riots: http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com/ Has sections specifically on the riots and list of suggested reading. Regarding the 7th, the Military History Institute at Carlisle Barracks has biblios on army units. Search page is at: http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usamhi/UnitHistories.html Dennis

I am in search of anything, no matter how small that pertains to the U.S. General Hospital, at Beverly, N.J. The Beverly Hospital was in existance June 1864 to 1865. Looking for any reference, report about, letter from or pictures of same. Thanks Bill Hughes

I am interested in getting more information on the 1863 NY Riots and the 7th Regiment Regular Infantry. Thank You Steve Johnson Naples, Italy > -----Original Message----- > From: CIVIL-WAR-D-request@rootsweb.com > [SMTP:CIVIL-WAR-D-request@rootsweb.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:00 AM > To: CIVIL-WAR-D@rootsweb.com > Subject: CIVIL-WAR-D Digest V03 #155 > > << Message: Untitled Attachment >> << Message: [CIVIL-WAR] James A. > McNiece >> << Message: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] James A. McNiece >>

unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mfsaggese@aol.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] 1863 NY RIOTS > This was passed on to me by a member of another list, the article is brief > but very interesting. > Marc F. Campbell > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter Civil-War in the list name >

unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mfsaggese@aol.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] 1863 NY RIOTS > Ooops ! > So sorry for omitting the the subject of my last post... > > "Not all of the casualties of the Civil War took place on military > battlefields. > > After his grave was recently located in an upstate cemetery, The New > York Police Department is making plans to honor one of four city > policemen killed during the Draft Riots of 1863." > > http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/938.htm > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe >

unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: <mpruddy@msn.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] 1863 NY RIOTS > Steve > A starting point might be Iver Bernstein´s The New York City Draft Riots > publ Oxford Univ Press 1990. Also you will be amazed what a search for > "draft" and "riots" will pull up if you have access to the CD (HBar or > GUILD) of the Official Records of the Rebellion (OR). > Mike > > > > I am interested in getting more information on the 1863 NY Riots and the > 7th > > Regiment Regular Infantry. > > > Thank You > > Steve Johnson > > Naples, Italy > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter Civil-War in the list name >

Carol, I think that's a fascinating story. I'd love to know more. I toured the internet via Google and found nothing except your own postings. If you learn more, please post it. Stories like that are more interesting to me than battles and other military aspects. Sharon

Ooops ! So sorry for omitting the the subject of my last post... "Not all of the casualties of the Civil War took place on military battlefields. After his grave was recently located in an upstate cemetery, The New York Police Department is making plans to honor one of four city policemen killed during the Draft Riots of 1863." http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/938.htm

You may want to follow up on the entry for Marshall Cobb on this website: http://www.geocities.com/luvacuzn/cobbSam3MandyLouas.html Mike > Hi, > I`m interested in finding information on the civil war and the people who > lived and faught on top of Big Black Mountain during the civil war. > I believe this mountain was called The Cumberland Mountain then. > I`m especially interested in the feude between John Garrison(1812-1863) and > Richard Pearl Morris (1812-1864). > John lived on top of this mountain in Harlan Co. and Richard lived on The > Powell Mountain, Big Stone Gap, Va. > They was brother inlaws. > Richard was a civil war soldier for the Confederate. > John was to have sold horses to The Northern Union. > Richard came to Johns place and shot and killed Him. > I would like to find out what this was about. > Was it a personal thing or what ? > Carol carol@ure.net >

This was passed on to me by a member of another list, the article is brief but very interesting. Marc F. Campbell

"If Edward was kind enough to E-Mail you in private, I think you should of return the courtesy Ann" Thank you for your opinion, Ann. You didn't see the message Edward sent me. It was nothing I would call "kind," and courtesy was nowhere to be seen. I didn't copy it to the list. Now, THAT was kind. Sharon

If Edward was kind enough to E-Mail you in private, I think you should of return the courtesy Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Workman" <workman@dreamscape.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Proper Education > Edward, > I received your private e-mail to me, and I am sorry you are taking that > attitude, that you will not expand upon what you wrote to the list. I asked > in good faith, assuming since you brought it up you wouldn't mind > discussion. Nothing I wrote indicated that I wanted to "debate" or argue; I > don't understand your threat to unsubscribe from the list. > > I believe that educators are ethical, dedicated people who try to teach the > very best "truths" and understandings that they can, and want their students > to learn to evaluate their lessons for themselves, with the tools of > critical thinking they are or should be receiving in school. > > If the matter is closed for you, as you indicated in your note to me, then > it is closed for me, also. I do not engage in contentious private e-mails > from this list or any other, so my reply to you is a reply to and through > the list. > > Sharon > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe > > >

Steve A starting point might be Iver Bernstein´s The New York City Draft Riots publ Oxford Univ Press 1990. Also you will be amazed what a search for "draft" and "riots" will pull up if you have access to the CD (HBar or GUILD) of the Official Records of the Rebellion (OR). Mike > I am interested in getting more information on the 1863 NY Riots and the 7th > Regiment Regular Infantry. > Thank You > Steve Johnson > Naples, Italy

Edward, I received your private e-mail to me, and I am sorry you are taking that attitude, that you will not expand upon what you wrote to the list. I asked in good faith, assuming since you brought it up you wouldn't mind discussion. Nothing I wrote indicated that I wanted to "debate" or argue; I don't understand your threat to unsubscribe from the list. I believe that educators are ethical, dedicated people who try to teach the very best "truths" and understandings that they can, and want their students to learn to evaluate their lessons for themselves, with the tools of critical thinking they are or should be receiving in school. If the matter is closed for you, as you indicated in your note to me, then it is closed for me, also. I do not engage in contentious private e-mails from this list or any other, so my reply to you is a reply to and through the list. Sharon