Edith, Stephen W. Sears. "Landscape Turned Red", Ticknor and Fields, 1983. By far the most comprehensive book on the battle. Ronald H. Bailey "The Bloodiest Day", Alexandria, VA: Time-Life Books, 1984. If you're just starting to read about the battle, this gives a good overview to use as a starting point. For the actions of both armies leading up to the battle: John Michael Priest. "Before Antietam: The Battle for South Mountain", New York: Oxford University Press, 1992. Alice Gayley Mooreedith@aol.com wrote: > Am seeking information regarding the Battle at Antietam. > > I recently learned that an ancestor had died in Sharpsburg that fateful Sept. > day. > > Can anyone provide a summary of this Battle? Or perhaps refer me to a web > site or Library book? > > Appreciate any input. Thanks. > Edith -- Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/

Edith, In my opinion the best bbok by far concerning Antietam/ Sharpsburg is "Landscape Turned Red" by Stephen W. Sears, ISBN0-89919-172-X. There are also hundreds of websites on the subject, my suggestion is use "Google" search engine. Below are a few of the site links. Marc F. Campbell <A HREF="http://www2.cr.nps.gov/abpp/battles/bycampgn.htm">Civil War Battle Summaries by Campaign</A> <A HREF="http://www.ehistory.com/uscw/library/or/index.cfm">Official Records - Official Records</A> <A HREF="http://www.nps.gov/anti/home.htm">Antietam National Park Home Page</A> <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/3680/cw/cw.html">Civil War Rosters - All States</A> <A HREF="http://www.nps.gov/anti/pphtml/maps.html">Antietam National Battlefield (NPS) - Maps</A> <A HREF="http://www.marylandmemories.org/">Hagerstown - Washington County, Convention & Visitors Bureau</A> <A HREF="http://www.cisnet.com/~ralcorn/ANTIETAM.HTM">Antietam National Battlefield</A> <A HREF="http://www.nps.gov/anti/artilery.htm">Artillery at Antietam</A>

Excuse me but does this list do anything other than women stuff like chatting back and forth about likes and dislikes! Ed Berry 'scuse me, Mr. Berry, and also Mr. Campbell. So sorry to intrude my silly girlish airheaded meaningless chatter on YOUR serious, for-men-only discussion list. Henceforth, I'll just read and keep to my place. Unless I decided to unsub, which you might prefer. That way, you don't feel like you have to explain everything in simple terms. Hmmmmm. Somewhere, I've been missing your (both of you) wonderful, erudite, informative, and valuable contributions to this list. Sharon

Edith, There are many good websites and hundreds of books about this battle, the "bloodiest single day in American history." Here is one site: http://www.nps.gov/anti/ There are several links - the one that says "In Depth" will take you to this, among other things - BATTLEFIELD INFO Battle: Morning Phase Battle: Midday Phase Battle: Afternoon Phase Battlefield Map Battle of Antietam Timeline Bibliography of the Battlefield Chronology of the Battlefield Eyewitness to Battle Keys to the Battlefield 6 Generals Who Died Why Lee Invaded Maryland Sharon Ancestor Chronicles: Our Kin And Their Times http://groups.msn.com/AncestorChroniclesOurKinAndTheirTimes/ Please visit, join, and share your family stories

Hello Edith, There are a number of good websites regarding the Battle of Sharpsburg (Antietam). I'll try to list a few of these for you. http://www.civilwarhome.com/antietam.htm http://www.collectorsnet.com/cwtimes/antietam.htm http://www.rockingham.k12.va.us/EMS/The%20Battle%20of%20Antietam/antietam.htm http://www.alleghenymountain.org/antmain.htm http://www.wsu.edu/~jlance/civil.html http://www.jennie-wade-house.com/battle_antietam_books.htm I hope some of these websites might be of help. I know names of battle can be confusing for a lot of people. The root of the difficulty was geography: invading Union armies lived by maps, while Confederates were at home with the terrain and, in addition, usually chose the field of battle. As a result, Federals often named battles for nearby streams or creeks, while Confederates used the names of towns. A few examples are: Federal Confederate Bull Run Manassas Antietam Sharpsburg Stone's River Murfreesboro Fair Oaks Seven Pines Elkhorn Tavern Pea Ridge Union armies were also named for bodies of water, as The Army of the Potomac, The Army of the James, The Army of the Tennessee. Confederate counterparts were The Army of Northern Virginia, The Army of Tennessee, and the Trans-Mississippi. Best regards, Edward

Am seeking information regarding the Battle at Antietam. I recently learned that an ancestor had died in Sharpsburg that fateful Sept. day. Can anyone provide a summary of this Battle? Or perhaps refer me to a web site or Library book? Appreciate any input. Thanks. Edith

It's true, Alice. Every once in a while the armchair warriors have to unbutton their pants and compare sabers--but not to worry. They're all just passing testosterone flourishes that end in retreat when the girls outflank them on the Sealy Posturepedic. Walt hogdu26@knology.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice J. Gayley" <agayley@dgs.dgsys.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Disgustion-- > Excuse me but does this list do anything other than men > stuff like chatting back and forth about feints, flanks and > fights! <G> > Alice Gayley > > Va8thVolsCoG@aol.com wrote: > > Excuse me but does this list do anything other than women stuff like chatting > > back and forth about likes and dislikes! > > Ed Berry > > > -- > Pennsylvania in the Civil War > http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/ > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe > > >

Excuse me but does this list do anything other than men stuff like chatting back and forth about feints, flanks and fights! <G> Alice Gayley Va8thVolsCoG@aol.com wrote: > Excuse me but does this list do anything other than women stuff like chatting > back and forth about likes and dislikes! > Ed Berry -- Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/

Ed, Appears not...although I think your statement is sure to start more discussion.<G> Marc F. Campbell

Excuse me but does this list do anything other than women stuff like chatting back and forth about likes and dislikes! Ed Berry

I agree !! ----- Original Message ----- From: <NCarolinaCMF@aol.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Education.....after thoughts > In a message dated 07/23/2003 1:39:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > eharding2@cox.net writes: > > > > I totally agree that debating the causes of the war serves no purpose other > > than upsetting people and causing others to think harshly about them. So, > > from now on out, I'll sit here and if there is a question I can help someone > > with, I'll do my best to help them, if they choose to ask me. Otherwise, no > > new topics, etc. from me. > > Edward, > > Don't apologize for having and voicing your opinion, that is what is wrong > with this world today...the truth has to be candy coated for some people. This > is a Civil War list, it should be taken for granted that we will speak, > respectfully, and not aimed at any certain PERSON, the way we feel, anyone who has a > problem with this is childish, and doesn't have an understanding of debating > an issue. > > Carolyn > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe > > >

Alice: Much obliged! At an antique store yesterday, I came across an old print/painting depicting a Zouave/Chasseur unit in battle. All the soldiers had epaulettes on their uniforms. Am now trying to figure out which unit? Guess it could represent a French Regiment. Sincerely, Mike Peters npeters102@aol.com

Mike, The 5th New York Volunteer Infantry, "Duryée's Zouaves has a web site at: http://www.zouave.org/ The site has a lot of good information on "all things" Zouave, including a section called "The Zouave Craze" which includes a picture of an officer of the 5th with epaulettes. The picture is at: http://www.zouave.org/gallery/craze/ells1.html Hope this helps, Alice Gayley NPeters102@aol.com wrote: > During your research has anyone came across a Zouave/Chasseur regiment in > which officers & enlisted men both wore uniforms with epaulettes? > > Sincerely, > > Mike Peters > npeters102@aol.com -- Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/

During your research has anyone came across a Zouave/Chasseur regiment in which officers & enlisted men both wore uniforms with epaulettes? Sincerely, Mike Peters npeters102@aol.com

Lists of Medals and awards, including: Bronze Star Medal Combat Infantryman's Badge Combat Medical Badge Distinguished Flying Cross Distinguished Service Cross Distinguished Service Medal Legion Of Merit Mariners Medal Medal Of Honor Meritorious Service Medal Prisoner Of War Medal Purple Heart Medal Silver Star Medal Soldier's Medal Victoria Cross can be viewed on-line at: http://members.aol.com/veterans/medlist.htm Alice Gayley -- Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/

In a message dated 07/23/2003 1:39:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eharding2@cox.net writes: > I totally agree that debating the causes of the war serves no purpose other > than upsetting people and causing others to think harshly about them. So, > from now on out, I'll sit here and if there is a question I can help someone > with, I'll do my best to help them, if they choose to ask me. Otherwise, no > new topics, etc. from me. Edward, Don't apologize for having and voicing your opinion, that is what is wrong with this world today...the truth has to be candy coated for some people. This is a Civil War list, it should be taken for granted that we will speak, respectfully, and not aimed at any certain PERSON, the way we feel, anyone who has a problem with this is childish, and doesn't have an understanding of debating an issue. Carolyn

In a message dated 07/23/2003 1:03:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eharding2@cox.net writes: > nothing is returned to them, in the shape of Government expenditures. That > expenditure flows in an opposite direction - it flows northwardly, in one > uniform, uninterrupted, and perennial stream. This is the reason why > wealth disappears from the South and rises up in the North. Federal > legislation does all this." > Ahhh Be still my heart... finally a true Southern Gentleman with an educated opinion. Of course the Southern people had the right to throw off the leech that was draining the life out of them, in this case, the leech being the North. "But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security." --- Declaration Of Independence - 1776 From the: Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union Thus were established the two great principles asserted by the Colonies, namely: the right of a State to govern itself; and the right of a people to abolish a Government when it becomes destructive of the ends for which it was instituted. And concurrent with the establishment of these principles, was the fact, that each Colony became and was recognized by the mother Country a FREE, SOVEREIGN AND INDEPENDENT STATE.....We hold that the Government thus established is subject to the two great principles asserted in the Declaration of Independence; and we hold further, that the mode of its formation subjects it to a third fundamental principle, namely: the law of compact. We maintain that in every compact between two or more parties, the obligation is mutual; that the failure of one of the contracting parties to perform a material part of the agreement, entirely releases the obligation of the other; and that where no arbiter is provided, each party is remitted to his own judgment to determine the fact of failure, with all its consequences. Carolyn "My shoes are gone; my clothes are almost gone. I'm weary, I'm sick, I'm hungry. My family have been killed or scattered. And I have suffered all this for my country. I love my country. But if this war is ever over, I'll be damned if I ever love another country." --- Confederate Soldier During Retreat To Appomattox

Lincoln himself believed a State had could secede but it had to be a mutual agreement with the Federal government.. Permission must be granted from the Federal government. Why ? For example, except for the original States, territories were obtained from funds and treaties of the Federal government. Also what right of sovereignty did Tennessee, Mississippi or Missouri have ? They never had sovereignty before they were admitted into the Union. (but the original colonies and Texas did--that's another argument). There is a logical argument from both sides, that is why I tend to straddle the fence. Scott K. Williams,

After reading a number of the postings on the list and doing a lot of after thought, I just wanted to express a couple of things. The reason I was trying to get others involved helping educators was that fact there are so many available resources out there and knowledgable people who might be able to assist some of our educators with their jobs, to assist them when they need it. I recently took an online class for educators that was sponsored by the North Carolina Museum of History, and I enjoyed it very much. It was such a pleasure to be able to help educators with questions they really didn't know the answers too. Also, we did things such as lesson plans, planning a field trip to a Civil War site (battlefield, museum, fort, etc.) and how it could be used to spark the interest of the students and also how to keep them thinking after the experience (field trip, etc.) was over. I totally agree that debating the causes of the war serves no purpose other than upsetting people and causing others to think harshly about them. So, from now on out, I'll sit here and if there is a question I can help someone with, I'll do my best to help them, if they choose to ask me. Otherwise, no new topics, etc. from me. If by chance in the near future, someone should write directly to me or to the list and I don't reply, it's not that I'm ignoring you. I'll be having surgery on August 4th and will be in a full arm cast for about 4 months, so my use of the computer and typing will be limited. Hope all of you are well and hope to see you soon. And again, I'm sorry for any misunderstandings. Edward

The sources I primarily use are actual speeches, documents, etc., which I have to say in certain ways ARE biased due to who they were written by, but they were written by men who lived before, during, and after the War, and showed what and how they thought during those times. I tend to show actually what these people thought from their own words, not what someone thought they might have said...examples: speeches from Lincoln and other politicians, legal documents, etc. I may not be the best with words and expressing my meaning, so I hope you don't criticize me too harshly. As far as the South's right to secede, I tend to tell about one segment from the Declaration of Independence, which seemed to cause a previous war, a rebellion, our Revolutionary War which gave us independence from England. Were the South's reason's for seceding from the Union so different? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of those ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying it's foundation on such principles and organizing its power in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness....." The South did not try to overthrow the Federal Government, they wished to secede from them and form their own government, a government based on the Principles of our Founding Fathers. In studying the economics of the time prior to when the Southern States seceded, it's easy to tell why this happened. Even as far back as 1828, Senator Thomas H. Benton from Missouri declared: "Before the Revolution [the South] was the seat of wealth, as well as hospitality....Wealth has fled from the South, and settled in regions north of the Potomac: and this in the face of the fact, that the South, in four staples alone, has exported produce, since the Revolution, to the value of eight hundred millions of dollars; and the North has exported comparatively nothing. Such an export would indicate unparalleled wealth, but for what fact?....Under Federal legislation, the exports of the South have been the basis of the Federal revenue.....Virginia, the two Carolinas, and Georgia, may be said to defray three-fourths, of the annual expense of supporting the Federal Government; and of this great sum, annually furnished by them, nothing or next to nothing is returned to them, in the shape of Government expenditures. That expenditure flows in an opposite direction - it flows northwardly, in one uniform, uninterrupted, and perennial stream. This is the reason why wealth disappears from the South and rises up in the North. Federal legislation does all this." I hope I haven't gone on too much, and again, I'm not trying to start a debate. I'm just pulling my information from speeches, documents, etc., from these times before, during, and after the War. Edward