"We all have a heritage and for real Americans it is the same heritage" So Sharon, Those out west have the same heritage as those in the south? Those native americans have the same heritage as newly immigrated americans? I don't quite understand? This is the politically correct way of erasing everyone's heritage and personal history. Actually, not everyone, just southern heritage. Why is it so offensive for someone to be proud of their own history? And what exactly is a "real" american? Was it not the same then as it is now? Various groups of people from various parts of the world in the melting pot called america? It's not a bad thing for a particular region to have pride and that doesn't make them anti-american. At least not for me. LJ Brown Proud to be in NC -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Workman [mailto:workman@dreamscape.com] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 1:07 PM To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] Neo-Confederates Carolyn writes: " If you don't want to incite Southern people who take great pride in their Southern Heritage" That's exactly the point. Your "Southern Heritage" - capitalized just that way - is nothing but fiction, neo-Confederate fiction. We all have a heritage and for real Americans it is the same heritage - the history of America just as it happened, not as you might wish it happened or endeavor to convince others it happened. Okay. I'm done with this subject. You may have the last word. I've had mine. Sharon ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To search our list archives since 1996, go to http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and enter Civil-War in the list name
Mike writes: "Geez it seemed like a good idea at the time..........." Yo! Mike! Time for your medication? LOLOL!!! My eyes crossed and I lapsed into a coma half-way through your dissertation. But I fully agree with the thesis presented early, before I faded out. Was the secession of the Confederate states legal? Who cares? And, so what? Sharon
Carolyn writes: " If you don't want to incite Southern people who take great pride in their Southern Heritage" That's exactly the point. Your "Southern Heritage" - capitalized just that way - is nothing but fiction, neo-Confederate fiction. We all have a heritage and for real Americans it is the same heritage - the history of America just as it happened, not as you might wish it happened or endeavor to convince others it happened. Okay. I'm done with this subject. You may have the last word. I've had mine. Sharon
"middling" is a term also used to grade cotton in combination with low and strict. Grade is determined by color, blemishes, weight, etc. of fibers. Susie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/24/03
In a message dated 7/28/03 6:13:44 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Va8thVolsCoG@aol.com writes: > expensive. The cotton with the shorter fibers is less expensive. Fiber > length is the factor which determines the grade of cotton. A grade of "fair" > > means short fibers. A grade of middling means medium length. Fair to > middling > means from short (poor) to medium length (OK). I do love when someone know the beginning of an expression that is in general use even this far from its origin, thanks so much for this bit of trivia <G> Eliz
Ed, Thanks, I should have remembered that; but it has been a l-o-n-g time since I picked cotton!! Jim -------Original Message------- From: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, July 28, 2003 01:13:06 PM To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] Re: Borried middling In a message dated 7/28/2003 1:25:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jimgilmer@alaweb.com writes: > That expression "middling" brings up another question. An old southern > expression used when someone asks "How y'all doin?", is the answer "fair to > middlin'". Does anyone know if that term "middling" as it applies to meat > has any connection to the expression stating one's state of health? > > Jim Gilmer > Jim: This term comes from grading cotton. Some cotton has long fibers which makes it expensive. The cotton with the shorter fibers is less expensive. Fiber length is the factor which determines the grade of cotton. A grade of "fair" means short fibers. A grade of middling means medium length. Fair to middling means from short (poor) to medium length (OK). Cotton grows, is picked and sent to market in small bolls or balls. Market removes the seeds, leaf and small trash. Then someone pulls the fibers of a batch in a certain manner between the fingers to determine staple of fiber length. In making yarn the cleaned matted fibers have to be pulled apart mechanically and the fibers laid parallel before the yarn can be spun. This paralleling of fibers is called "carding." Cotton is graded in order to determine a price. Fair cotton is a certain grade and demands a certain price whereas middling cotton will bring more. I'm fair to middlin' t'day thankya Suh-- In true Southern, the above responce means: I am not sick and I am not the best I have ever been but I am OK and hope you are. I'm saying I'm fair to middling in case you are feeling down and I would not want to hurt your feelings by telling you just how good I really feel on this fine day. I'm always safe down South to say I'm middle of the road (Fair to middling). Ed Sherman ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To search our list archives since 1996, go to http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and enter Civil-War in the list name .
Elaine, Thanks for the info. Does anyone suppose that the pork in the middle of the food that Lee didn't touch, called "middling", could have been derived from the meanings listed below? Jim -------Original Message------- From: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:56:53 PM To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Borried middling Jim, that expression is still used in the midwest and means "fair to average". According to the hyperdictionary at: http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/fair+to+middling, the definition of middling is: [adj] about average; acceptable; Synonyms: adequate, passable, satisfactory. Elaine R. Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gilmer" <jimgilmer@alaweb.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 11:41 AM Subject: Fw: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Borried middling > > > > That expression "middling" brings up another question. An old southern > expression used when someone asks "How y'all doin?", is the answer "fair to > middlin'". Does anyone know if that term "middling" as it applies to meat > has any connection to the expression stating one's state of health? > > Jim Gilmer > > -------Original Message------- > > From: akeegan > Date: Monday, July 28, 2003 06:45:34 AM > To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Borried middling > > Thank you David! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Cagle" <dcagle@centurytel.net> > To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Borried middling > > > > Middling is usually salt cured pork--sow belly or Bacon. Borrowed means > > just that. It was borrowed from someone else. > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: akeegan <akeegan@c3net.net> > > To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:29 PM > > Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] Borried middling > > > > > > > General Lee's camp was usally crude, and even when the ground was > > unsuitable for his tents, he refuse to distrub nearby residents by > > > occupying their homes. Vistors were struck by his Spartan fare. > > > He once entertained quests at a meal of cabbage upon which rested a > single > > small piece of meat, a rarity in the field during the war. Each quest > > contented himself with cabbage, politely leaving the meat. > > > The next day, when Lee asked his sevent to use the meat for dinner, he > got > > the reply: > > > "We have no meat, General, that yesterday was borried middling." > > > > > > Could someone please tell me what borried middling was? > > > I reas this passage in the book "The Civil War" by Burke Davis > > > Ann > > > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > > > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > > > unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > > unsubscribe > > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter Civil-War in the list name > > . > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter Civil-War in the list name > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe .
In a message dated 07/28/2003 12:47:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, fran@ees.eesc.com writes: > Every note I've seen issued by the CS government and > quite a few of those by States has basically the same statement, outside > of the time period and amount to be paid. By Dahleen GlantonTribune national correspondent Published May 27, 2003 Prior to the establishment of the Federal Reserve System in 1913, institutions printed their own money freely, and in the South, blacks were one of the primary subjects. They are shown on bank notes, currency and bonds issued by banks, hotels and railroads. They are shown planting, picking and hauling cotton and tending cattle. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx See, everybody was making their own money...so what you see on it is not accurate, and certainly nothing to base what you are saying on. I looked at some of the Confederate money around at that time period, and it had the date written in...so... pleassseeee! Carolyn xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > There is an old Rebel saying, that probably every true Southerner has committed to memory: > > >> "Save your confederate money boys >> . . . . The South's gonna rise again." > > And rise it did. Some idea of the poverty and distress to which our people were reduced as a result of the war may be gathered from the fact that the aggregate wealth of Georgia, estimated at the last census before the war, was in round numbers $672,000,000. After forty-five years of struggle and effort, in 1907, the estimated wealth of the state fell short by some $30,000,000 of what it was in 1860. (The War-Time Journal Of A Georgia Girl -Eliza Andrews) The war between-the-states was a Southern tragedy honorably overcome. Never in all history, have people recovered so completely from overwhelming adversity as did The South. A "probationary tax" was placed on our cotton, robbing us of the last resource the war had left us. Our ancestors were discriminated against for half a century, still we survived to see the land we love lifted out of the depths of poverty to a pinnacle of prosperity.
In a message dated 07/28/2003 1:24:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, workman@dreamscape.com writes: > There's no debate taking place here. It is just Carolyn and her hostility > dominating the list, and a few people challenging the accuracy of her > "history" and the civility of her posts. Debate means exchanging ideas. > All we are getting lately is neo-confederate spamming. > It's not my fault that most of you act like you have wedgies most of the time. If you don't want to incite Southern people who take great pride in their Southern Heritage, why do you use terms like "neo-confederate"?? Do you think we are not offended by your hostility in using those words hummmmm...explain that! Carolyn
"> Its this kinda of thing that makes me run from debates!" There's no debate taking place here. It is just Carolyn and her hostility dominating the list, and a few people challenging the accuracy of her "history" and the civility of her posts. Debate means exchanging ideas. All we are getting lately is neo-confederate spamming. Sharon
In a message dated 7/28/2003 1:25:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jimgilmer@alaweb.com writes: > That expression "middling" brings up another question. An old southern > expression used when someone asks "How y'all doin?", is the answer "fair to > middlin'". Does anyone know if that term "middling" as it applies to meat > has any connection to the expression stating one's state of health? > > Jim Gilmer > Jim: This term comes from grading cotton. Some cotton has long fibers which makes it expensive. The cotton with the shorter fibers is less expensive. Fiber length is the factor which determines the grade of cotton. A grade of "fair" means short fibers. A grade of middling means medium length. Fair to middling means from short (poor) to medium length (OK). Cotton grows, is picked and sent to market in small bolls or balls. Market removes the seeds, leaf and small trash. Then someone pulls the fibers of a batch in a certain manner between the fingers to determine staple of fiber length. In making yarn the cleaned matted fibers have to be pulled apart mechanically and the fibers laid parallel before the yarn can be spun. This paralleling of fibers is called "carding." Cotton is graded in order to determine a price. Fair cotton is a certain grade and demands a certain price whereas middling cotton will bring more. I'm fair to middlin' t'day thankya Suh-- In true Southern, the above responce means: I am not sick and I am not the best I have ever been but I am OK and hope you are. I'm saying I'm fair to middling in case you are feeling down and I would not want to hurt your feelings by telling you just how good I really feel on this fine day. I'm always safe down South to say I'm middle of the road (Fair to middling). Ed Sherman
Its this kinda of thing that makes me run from debates! ----- Original Message ----- From: <NCarolinaCMF@aol.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Lincoln's bad decisions and other fables > In a message dated 07/28/2003 11:54:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, > NPeters102@aol.com writes: > > > > Can you explain the Neandertalist comment? Forgive me, but I for one am > > having trouble following this thread. > > In a message dated 07/28/2003 11:54:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, > NPeters102@aol.com writes: > > > > Neandertal > > > Main Entry: Ne·an·der·thal > Pronunciation: nE-'an-d&r-"tol, -"thol; nA-'än-d&r-"täl > Function: adjective > Date: 1861 ( look how close the date is, around the first time modern > Neanderthat was spotted) > 1 : also Ne.an.der.tal /-"tol, -"täl/ : being, relating to, or resembling > Neanderthal man > 2 : suggesting a caveman in appearance, mentality, or behavior > > Need I say more? > > Carolyn > > (For those of you who have had your sense of humor surgically removed, this > was a tongue- in-cheek post). > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter Civil-War in the list name > >
In a message dated 7/28/03 1:45:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NCarolinaCMF@aol.com writes: Since it was a very general insult, and more of what I might thing of as "having a little Fun", (God forbid), I don't see what you are all up in arms about?? . So stop being a cry-baby.... Forgive me. I just found you're post offensive. At first I thought I might have read more into it than was there. But you describe your "Figure it out since you went to college & I hope it wasn't on the taxpayers money" post as a "general insult" in this E-mail. So, I guess I read it right. Your idea of fun is insulting someone? Or is it something you do when your opinion is questioned? If you wish to talk further & with civility, might I suggest we continue this by private E-mail. Sincerely, Mike Peters npeters102@aol.com
Thank you! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Harding" <eharding2@cox.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:28 AM Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] Borried Middling > >From American Heritage Dictionary > > Middling: > NOUN: 1. Chiefly Southern U.S. a. Pork or bacon cut from between the ham and shoulder of a pig. Often used in the plural. b. Salt pork. Also called middling meat. > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter Civil-War in the list name > >
In a message dated 07/28/2003 12:37:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, NPeters102@aol.com writes: > And Mike forgive me for sending this to the list. But since her insult was > sent via the same route, I considered it appropriate. Since it was a very general insult, and more of what I might thing of as "having a little Fun", (God forbid), I don't see what you are all up in arms about?? My family has fought in every war since the Revolutionary war, some, for all l know, on the British side. My g-g-grandfather Henry Eli Garrett, lost a finger in the War of Northern Agression, and could have, no doubt, lost his life. So stop being a cry-baby.... Carolyn
NCarolinaCMF@aol.com wrote: > > It does indeed suite you to be in Confederate History 101, as you seem to not > understand that the United States were NOT UNITED after the secession. Like > you said there were a lot of legal issues involved in the secession, the United > States were not united now, So legally, how could they call the states > united? The war was recognized as being between the Union States and the > Confederates States, not the United Stated and the Confederates States. -------------------------------------- "Two Years after the Ratification of a Treaty of Peace between the Confederate States and the United States the Confederate States of American Will Pay to the bearer on demand Five Hundred Dollars" (from an 1864 Confederate note). Notice it says "United States", not Union States. Every note I've seen issued by the CS government and quite a few of those by States has basically the same statement, outside of the time period and amount to be paid. Obviously not even the CS government thought there was a name change. Who told you there was? Dennis
Mike The neanderthal word was in the middle of the long diatribe I wrote about legal secession trying to be funny. If you had sense you deleted it and therefore the reference made to the word didn´t make sense. I apologize for taking up so much of everyone´s time. Geez it seemed like a good idea at the time........... Mike > And Mike forgive me for sending this to the list. But since her insult was > sent via the same route, I considered it appropriate. > Sincerely, > Mike Peters
In a message dated 7/28/03 1:23:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NCarolinaCMF@aol.com writes: Figure it out, since you went to college....hope it wasn't on taxpayers money. No, it was on the blood of an American serviceman who died in 1967 -- my father -- fighting so you can have the freedom of speech you use on this & other forums. A freedom you use to insult someone, who, if I may add, is descended from a family of Confederate soldiers. I just don't buy into the "Lost Cause" philosophy. And Mike forgive me for sending this to the list. But since her insult was sent via the same route, I considered it appropriate. Sincerely, Mike Peters npeters102@aol.com
In a message dated 07/28/2003 9:05:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, mpruddy@msn.com writes: > > My fellow Yankees and Rebels, > If you can´t beat em join em... > > I have been following the most recent version of the most old debate with > great interest and before I become mindless or listless, I would like to > step out of my sideline role as moderator of the non-moderate for a moment > and, with my "lingua" planted firmly on the lateral-side soft tissue > surrounding my ingestion orifice, I would like to make a "Modest Proposal" > (apologies to Jonathan Swift) > > There is in the question "Did the South have a legal right to secede from > the United States?" a similarity to another more modern question "Did the > United States have a legal right to attack Iraq?" > > Both of these questions point past the (hopefully) obvious fact no one is > really trying answer the question in order to solve the problem. The result > of those acts is irreversible in both cases -- we cannot un-secede the South > any more than we can un-invade Iraq. Debating such faites acomplis (for my > Francophone friends who have all but disappeared, I hope I got that plural > right) isn´t really fruitful unless there is a purpose. Since it is > inconceivable to think this debate is a well thought out monumental waste of > time perpetrated on the rest of us by those who persist in prolonging it as > a test of our will to stay subscribed, I prefer the much more positive view > that the "legality of secession" debate has one of two much more > Hi Mike, I must say that was one of the most humorous post that I have read lately. It sure does put our bickering into perspective...guess we just get caught up sometimes in our own viewpoint, and forget we are beating a dead horse...but it is fun, and does make you do your research and learn. Carolyn
In a message dated 07/28/2003 12:18:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, NPeters102@aol.com writes: > My college Anthropology class Figure it out, since you went to college....hope it wasn't on taxpayers money. Carolyn