North CArolina was a poor state and not many people could afford slaves, and as was mentioned before not everyone was mean to slaves, I do a lot of research on slavery because I am a tour guide at a NC Plantation so I have to know what I am talking about. There are six books out for all sounthern states on slavery and these book are written just like the slaves are telling their stories. some were well treated and of course some were not. The main thing they were slaves and this should never have been.TWCTM@aol.com wrote: >I know that is a lot info from everyone on this subject.  South Carolina had >the right to succeed from constitution.  There was only about 2 percent who >were wealthier enought to buy slaves .  I know Mr. Lincoln gave in life the in >Fords Theater.  Where did all the other soldiers, south and north die?  Not all >slave owners abused their slaves.  I know this debate will go one for several >more years.  Just understand everyone had their own idea of what they were >taught about this war.  My Maternal Grandfather joined the southern army, was >shot 5 times. And was with Robert E. Lee when he surrendered to Grant. > >CharlieMcLeod >Not a rebel lady,  I am not red neck just a shouthern with an attitude. > > >==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== >To search our list archives since 1996, go to >http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >and enter Civil-War in the list name > >

North Carolina is my home and I LOVE the south. I have lived in the MIDWEST and I was glad to get back to my roots. It appears to me that the northerners love the South as well especially when it is time to retire, and we love having them, just don't try to change us. Remember this is our home, the way we talk the way we live, and our Southern Hospitality we love to share, so remember if you can't respect us as we are, please stay where you are, because that is where we will fight back for our respect. We do not go up North or mid west etc and try to change you, we don't want to, or I sure don't. I am married to a Mid Westerner and believe me he Loves it here, I am a very lucky lady. WEll will close for now--Barb > >In a message dated 07/28/2003 6:23:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >hyacinth@ala.net writes: > > >> That's a mighty big "if". The country I love is the South, in particular my >> native state of Alabama. I have no affection for the Federal union, any >> more than did my great-grandfather (who fought against it), or my >> grandfather, or my father. >> >Hi Georgia, > >I couldn't have said it better...I love the South also, especially my >Southern Heritage. There are those who resent that, and would try to strip us of that >if they could! I have several g-g-grandfathers, who fought for their home, >the South, and one g-grandfather who served as a doctor in the Confederacy. I >think most of us who love the South, and study the Civil War, have one thing in >common, we don't understand why General Lee surrendered...I know I don't. We >can't go back and change history, but I would like to think if I had been a >Confederate Solider, I would have been honored to fight, to defend the >Confederate States of America, at any cost. >Surrender....never! > >Carolyn >"American by birth, Southern by the Grace of God" > >"In the South, the breeze blows softer...neighbors are friendlier, nosier, >and more talkative. (By contrast with the Yankee, the Southerner never uses one >word when ten or twenty will do)...This is a different place. Our way of >thinking is different, as are our ways of seeing, laughing, singing, eating, >meeting and parting. Our walk is different, as the old song goes, our talk and our >names. Nothing about us is quite the same as in the country to the north and >west. What we carry in our memories is different too, and that may explain >everything else." > >--Charles Kuralt in "Southerners: Portrait of a People" > > > >==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== >To search our list archives since 1996, go to >http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >and enter Civil-War in the list name > >

In a message dated 07/28/2003 6:23:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hyacinth@ala.net writes: > That's a mighty big "if". The country I love is the South, in particular my > native state of Alabama. I have no affection for the Federal union, any > more than did my great-grandfather (who fought against it), or my > grandfather, or my father. > Hi Georgia, I couldn't have said it better...I love the South also, especially my Southern Heritage. There are those who resent that, and would try to strip us of that if they could! I have several g-g-grandfathers, who fought for their home, the South, and one g-grandfather who served as a doctor in the Confederacy. I think most of us who love the South, and study the Civil War, have one thing in common, we don't understand why General Lee surrendered...I know I don't. We can't go back and change history, but I would like to think if I had been a Confederate Solider, I would have been honored to fight, to defend the Confederate States of America, at any cost. Surrender....never! Carolyn "American by birth, Southern by the Grace of God" "In the South, the breeze blows softer...neighbors are friendlier, nosier, and more talkative. (By contrast with the Yankee, the Southerner never uses one word when ten or twenty will do)...This is a different place. Our way of thinking is different, as are our ways of seeing, laughing, singing, eating, meeting and parting. Our walk is different, as the old song goes, our talk and our names. Nothing about us is quite the same as in the country to the north and west. What we carry in our memories is different too, and that may explain everything else." --Charles Kuralt in "Southerners: Portrait of a People"

I know that is a lot info from everyone on this subject. South Carolina had the right to succeed from constitution. There was only about 2 percent who were wealthier enought to buy slaves . I know Mr. Lincoln gave in life the in Fords Theater. Where did all the other soldiers, south and north die? Not all slave owners abused their slaves. I know this debate will go one for several more years. Just understand everyone had their own idea of what they were taught about this war. My Maternal Grandfather joined the southern army, was shot 5 times. And was with Robert E. Lee when he surrendered to Grant. CharlieMcLeod Not a rebel lady, I am not red neck just a shouthern with an attitude.

I am not attempting to get people to begin spewing this inanity privately to one another -- just get people to return to the topics for which the list exists. If we wish to enlighten people as to battles and events of the Civil War in its 1861-1865 context or help one another find a relative -- the list is designed to do that. If we wish to refight the Civil War I suggest there are plenty of other venues. Although the recent discussion had its moments of lucidity in general it has been tedious. My request is simple: return to the topics the list is designed to cover. If there is ANY question in your mind after reading the guidelines about a proposed post, don´t post it to the list but send it to me for perusal, I will be happy to decide if it meets list guidelines and prevent a faus pas. Send it to me off-line at mpruddy@msn.com Those who persist in posting off topic run the risk that I will have a bad moment and turn to the dark side of the force Thanks, Mike Ruddy List Maintenance, Civil War I must arise and go now.... JBY

In a message dated 07/28/2003 4:08:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, workman@dreamscape.com writes: > My eyes crossed and I > lapsed into a coma half-way through your dissertation. But I fully agree > with the thesis presented early, before I faded out. Was the secession of > the Confederate states legal? Who cares? And, so what? > Mike, Your very funny commentary on what we were discussing on the list was a work of art, your talents are wasted if you are not writing for a living, or just for the pleasure others get from your work, (at least most of us, who have the I Q to understand what you wrote). But you know what...you have to admire those who admit most things go right over their head. I really enjoyed the laugh! Carolyn

Folks Three cheers for Mike Ruddy and lets all get back to research! Bill Christen

Fleming writes: "HOWEVER, since at least one list member chooses to forward *private* mail to the list -- I doubt if very many of us are willing to write private mails." I have already gone on record that I will not tolerate contentious mail originating in arguments on maillists being sent to me privately. If you are ashamed to say it in public on the list, don't sneak around and send it to me in secret. When I get hate mail, I take appropriate steps, and sometimes that means forwarding that message to authority somewhere. Be warned. Sharon

At 09:57 PM 7/28/03 -0400, Sharon Workman wrote: >Fleming writes: "HOWEVER, since at least one list member chooses to forward >*private* mail to >the list -- I doubt if very many of us are willing to write private mails." > >I have already gone on record that I will not tolerate contentious mail >originating in arguments on maillists being sent to me privately. If you >are ashamed to say it in public on the list, don't sneak around and send it >to me in secret. When I get hate mail, I take appropriate steps, and >sometimes that means forwarding that message to authority somewhere. Be >warned. You don't need to warn me, lady. I have no interest in mailing you "privately". But since you interpreted my statement that I don't love the U.S.A. as a form of "hate" -- I might also assume you've reported me to some authority. *You're* the scary one. Georgia in Alabama

At 08:13 PM 7/28/03 -0500, mpruddy@msn.com wrote: >Perhaps it is time to look at the guidelines for the list again: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mruddy/guidline.htm Unfortunately, there's a problem with that. According to the guidelines ..... ON THE OTHER HAND Is it to answer someone who has written something which, in YOUR eyes, is provocative, ignorant, stupid, or have nothing to do with the Civil War? THEN If you feel like responding, send a message to the *INDIVIDUAL* Not the list. or.......... Hit the delete key. HOWEVER, since at least one list member chooses to forward *private* mail to the list -- I doubt if very many of us are willing to write private mails. Most of the lists I'm on have rules prohibiting the forwarding of private mail. The one I administer certainly does. Georgia in Alabama

Perhaps it is time to look at the guidelines for the list again: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mruddy/guidline.htm Mike Ruddy Civil War List

At 07:03 PM 7/28/03 -0400, Sharon Workman wrote: >Fleming writes: " if you consider the U.S.A. to be >your country, go on and love it. But I never will." > >How sad. You are a scary person. I hope you never get political power so >that you can express your hatred in any significant way. Don't twist my words. I didn't say anything about hate -- I said I didn't love the USA. If failing to love a country makes somebody "scary", then you're pretty easily scared, I'd say. Georgia in Alabama

Scott writes: "Someone simply proud of their Confederate heritage would not be a "neo-Confederate" in my book." Agreed. I use the term for those who distort that "heritage" - who create and perpetuate lies about it. I think I use it appropriately for one or two on this list. Sharon

Fleming writes: " if you consider the U.S.A. to be your country, go on and love it. But I never will." How sad. You are a scary person. I hope you never get political power so that you can express your hatred in any significant way. Sharon

I would hold back using "neo-Confederate" so much. Anti-Southern bigots frequently use that word, and I don't think you want to be associated with their censorship of Confederate history. You might want to reserve that word for those wanting to politically restore a new Confederacy in the future. That is maybe 5% at best of people interested in preserving the Confederate viewpoint. Someone simply proud of their Confederate heritage would not be a "neo-Confederate" in my book. Scott K. Williams

In a message dated 7/28/03 9:05:33 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Va8thVolsCoG@aol.com writes: > Official cotton grades from Ed Sherman, BS Textiles, Clemson University > '64: > "Far-da-middlin' thanky." > Again thanks! Eliz

LJ writes: "So Sharon, Those out west have the same heritage as those in the south? Those native americans have the same heritage as newly immigrated americans? I don't quite understand?" Yes, we all have the same heritage - history. America has one history, one way things happened over the centuries, one "truth" - however close we can come to that. Whether we were here to greet the influx of Europeans in Massachusetts and Virginia, or arrived in an immigrant ship in 1846, or flew in during modern times, if we are citizens of America and love our Country, we have the same heritage, the same history, the same America. Maybe we also have a heritage of ancestors in Ireland, Poland, China, Mexico, and other places, as well. All that does is enrich our Country, our America. I had ancestors in antebellum Virginia. That is MY southern heritage. Note the lower case. I had ancestors of the Lenni Lenape tribe of Indians; that's my Indian heritage. I had ancestors from Germany, Holland, England, Scotland, Ireland, Spain, France, Wales, and probably many other places. Does any of that trump my American heritage? Nope, not for me. Sharon

>It's not my fault that most of you act like you have wedgies most of the >time. If you don't want to incite Southern people who take great pride in >their >Southern Heritage, why do you use terms like "neo-confederate"?? Do you >think we >are not offended by your hostility in using those words >hummmmm...explain that! This same thing happened on another list I was on, Carolyn -- every post was "neo-Confederate" this and "neo-Confederate" that. You'd a-thought it was Morris Dees hiding behind those screen names. <g> Anyway, I started referring to their posts as "neo-Yankee propaganda". Georgia in Alabama

>Yes, we all have the same heritage - history. America has one history, one >way things happened over the centuries, one "truth" - however close we can >come to that. Seems we disagree on what that truth is. Whether we were here to greet the influx of Europeans in >Massachusetts and Virginia, or arrived in an immigrant ship in 1846, or flew >in during modern times, if we are citizens of America and love our Country, >we have the same heritage, the same history, the same America. That's a mighty big "if". The country I love is the South, in particular my native state of Alabama. I have no affection for the Federal union, any more than did my great-grandfather (who fought against it), or my grandfather, or my father. >I had ancestors in antebellum Virginia. That is MY southern heritage. Note >the lower case. I had ancestors of the Lenni Lenape tribe of Indians; >that's my Indian heritage. I had ancestors from Germany, Holland, England, >Scotland, Ireland, Spain, France, Wales, and probably many other places. >Does any of that trump my American heritage? Nope, not for me. Well, that's *you*. I've got no problem with y'all feeling the way you do. A person should love their country, and if you consider the U.S.A. to be your country, go on and love it. But I never will. Georgia in Alabama (a Paleo-Confederate)

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