Would anyone know if there are lists of names of these galvanized yankees? My gggrandfather was taken prisoner to Rock Island, Illinois. We have been told that he fought Indians after his release, so I suspect that he may have taken the oath. How can I find out? Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "keith d bailey" <kbailey@frontiernet.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] galvanized yankees > My ancestor James Washington Ledford and 3 of his brothers served > the CSA. One brother got injured and went home, but the rest served until > captured and sent to prison in Indianapolis, IN. In March 1865 they joined > the 144th IN INF. They were not sent West to fight Indians as other > Galvanized Yankees were, but instead, they were sent East, to West Virginia, > Harper's ferry, Charlotte, ect. and served until August 1865. I'm sure that > we would find many more that done the same if we looked. > After the war, one brother was murdered because he had served the > North. His tombstone has that he served the 144th. The other brother and my > ancestor have CSA tombstones and I don't think they let too many people know > they served the USA. However, Ancestry records show that my ancestor, or at > least his widow, did get a pension for his service. I've not seen that for > his brother. > > > Keith Bailey > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe > >

I just loved the latest blackout--Yanks in the dark again (as usual). Only this time--literally. :-)) Boo Walt Montgomery, AL

My ancestor James Washington Ledford and 3 of his brothers served the CSA. One brother got injured and went home, but the rest served until captured and sent to prison in Indianapolis, IN. In March 1865 they joined the 144th IN INF. They were not sent West to fight Indians as other Galvanized Yankees were, but instead, they were sent East, to West Virginia, Harper's ferry, Charlotte, ect. and served until August 1865. I'm sure that we would find many more that done the same if we looked. After the war, one brother was murdered because he had served the North. His tombstone has that he served the 144th. The other brother and my ancestor have CSA tombstones and I don't think they let too many people know they served the USA. However, Ancestry records show that my ancestor, or at least his widow, did get a pension for his service. I've not seen that for his brother. Keith Bailey

Sorry if you misinterpreted my remark. It was made in jest and I was being facetious. I'm sorry if I offended you, and will now once again remain silent unless asked for help. Edward

In the links that I provided there are Rosters of "Galvanized Yankees". You have to do the looking. Richard Callard -----Original Message----- From: Janet K. Theberge [mailto:jkt54@ktc.com] Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:15 PM To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] galvanized yankees Would anyone know if there are lists of names of these galvanized yankees? My gggrandfather was taken prisoner to Rock Island, Illinois. We have been told that he fought Indians after his release, so I suspect that he may have taken the oath. How can I find out? Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "keith d bailey" <kbailey@frontiernet.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] galvanized yankees > My ancestor James Washington Ledford and 3 of his brothers > served the CSA. One brother got injured and went home, but the rest > served until captured and sent to prison in Indianapolis, IN. In March > 1865 they joined the 144th IN INF. They were not sent West to fight > Indians as other Galvanized Yankees were, but instead, they were sent > East, to West Virginia, > Harper's ferry, Charlotte, ect. and served until August 1865. I'm sure that > we would find many more that done the same if we looked. > After the war, one brother was murdered because he had served > the North. His tombstone has that he served the 144th. The other > brother and my > ancestor have CSA tombstones and I don't think they let too many > people know > they served the USA. However, Ancestry records show that my ancestor, > or at > least his widow, did get a pension for his service. I've not seen that > for his brother. > > > Keith Bailey > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet]

Hi All, I thought I would pop in as this topic is in the relm of my research. I havent read much on the galvanized Yankees however this offer to fight for the side that held them was not only in the Northern POW sites. Here at Andersonville there was a Col. John G. O`Neil of the Confederacy who made the offer to those here at Andersonville as well as Millen Georgia and Florence South Carolina for anyone taking the oath to fight for the Confederacy could leave the stockade where here at Andersonville, there were more than 100 a day on average dying. Unlike the TNT movie showing that the prisoners turned about face and declined the offer,,,,as of March 10 1865 records showed 338 prisoners took the offer and joined the Tennessee CSA Infantry,,,( 10th Regiment I believe ). I dont have the total numbers from the other camps, but this topic has sparked my interest and I will be researching numbers on both sides. One hopes that onewould not have accepted the offer being held in either sides POW sites...but with the conditions that existed on both sides......who knows what one would do? Kevin The sound of FREEDOM is something you will never hear.......until its gone. ( UNKNOWN ) Please visit my website dedicated to those Americans who were imprisoned and died in captivity while in the service to our country Kevin Frye Local Andersonville Historian / National Park Service Volunteer http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/Andersonvilleprison/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fleming" <hyacinth@ala.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] galvanized yankees

I've heard this term from my folks. My great-great-uncle Doss said that the Yanks tried to recruit him, but that none of the men in his company would sell out. Mary Fleming wrote about another incident in her memoirs -- "Mr. Yancy L. Bryan, one of our neighbors after the war, enlisted when he was about seventeen years old, served two years, and received no pay at all. He said that on one occasion he was excused from going into battle because he was barefoot and the soldiers had to go through a thick briar patch. He was told by his captain to go to the rear and do something else. Mr. Bryan was taken prisoner soon after, and was sent to Fort Douglas near Chicago, and did not return home until June, 1865. He told us that while he was a prisoner some of the officials often tried to persuade him and other prisoners to take the oath of allegiance to the United States, and then go to the West to fight the Indians. But Mr. Bryan refused, saying that he would remain in prison rather than do such a thing, that he would fight nowhere but for his own country." Georgia Fleming

In a message dated 08/24/2003 11:39:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Fyodor45@aol.com writes: > Hi ...I was just wondering how many Confederate prisoners were "galvanized" > into the Union Army to serve on the frontier in exchange for their release > from the prison camps. James, I have been reading about the Galvanized Yankees for about a month now, (mostly online material) since I stumbled over them in my research of the Civil War. Can you recommend any books that go into detail about them, my knowledge is limited, but I would like to know more about them. Thanks, Salina, Chagrin Falls, OH Some history on Galvanized Yankees In September, 1864, captured soldiers of the Confederate States of America were being held at Rock Island Prison, Illinois. Conditions at the prison were dismal; small pox, dysentery, poor rations, and bleak northern winters were contributing to the deaths of many rebel inmates. Due to prison conditions being so harsh men were dying at the rate of 1 out of every 3 men. During this time, due in part to the Civil War, there was a large migration of people westward. This of course caused more contact with the American Indians in the West who were angry to see the whites coming west in large numbers and the result was bloodshed on both sides.At the same time, the United States government under President Abraham Lincoln was experiencing political pressure re guarding further troop requirements. As a result of that pressure, the president authorized the recruitment, on a voluntary basis of two regiments from among those prisoners at Rock Island for frontier outpost duty. He guaranteed that on becoming Union soldiers, these men would receive a pardon, would not be fighting their former comrades, and would be sent west, far from the battles of the Civil War. Thus, many of those incarcerated men chose to take the oath of allegiance and become soldiers in the U.S. Army. Because of this outward change of allegiance, they were likened to the iron utensils that had an outward coating to make them rust-free while not changing the inward nature, a process called galvanizing. Thus was the birth of the "Galvanized Yankees". What you saw on the outside did not necessarily represent what was on the inside. However, the six thousand Galvanized Yankees who served in our army during 1865 served as loyally as any unit, and came to be respected for their hardiness and fighting ability.

Does the record say under which Act your relative was qualifed to receive the pension? Alice Gayley Richard McConnell wrote: > I received a Civil War pension record from a shirt-tail relative of mine > in July--Michael Rattican (should have been spelled Ratican), who served in > the 2nd Artillery Regiment, Battery "A," U.S. Regular Army during the Civil > War. He was not mustered out of service until February 19, 1867 at the > Presidio of San Francisco. He enlisted on July 13, 1861 at Cleveland, Ohio, > and re-enlisted on February 19, 1864 at Culpepper, Virginia. He started > receiving a pension in about 1881 and continued to receive it until he died > in February, 1910. -- Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/

I never dreamed I would find out so much about Perrigo in such a short time. Thanks so much. Jean

I am not sure I said I would not own up to being related to Lee. I just said I was surprised that the family had been divided in its loyalties. I have no interest in my American Revolution or Civil War connections, DAR, or DOC or DOU organizations. I think that so much has been made of these periods of our history that we have lost site of many other important things in our growing culture. I see people who use that "heritage" as a crutch, never learn to think beyond that period of our history. I sure got tired of listening to the South about their southern heritage. Golf was taking over there to help the economy and the southerners just wanted to cling to the past, cling to life that kept the vast majority who live there in poverty. I hope we are made up of more than that. Guess that is N talking. This is one of the reasons that I want to help with the violent children's program at Erin's old school. Most of the violence is generated within the kids homes by disgruntled parents who have been displaced from their "important" little lives on the local scene by all of the more highly educated people who are moving here from the suburbs. I am glad Erin will be at Holy Cross with kids who come from families that are similar to hers....and I don't just mean affluent. I mean more cosmopolitan and educated. I have given the Principal of Erin's old school all of the NMH materials that I have, video, etc., with the hope that they will help really deserving kids to break out of where they are and take advantage of an education. Today we were at a picnic and I was telling one of the mother's about N. She has a straight A student, a lovely girl, who I would like to see at NMH. Jean

I received a Civil War pension record from a shirt-tail relative of mine in July--Michael Rattican (should have been spelled Ratican), who served in the 2nd Artillery Regiment, Battery "A," U.S. Regular Army during the Civil War. He was not mustered out of service until February 19, 1867 at the Presidio of San Francisco. He enlisted on July 13, 1861 at Cleveland, Ohio, and re-enlisted on February 19, 1864 at Culpepper, Virginia. He started receiving a pension in about 1881 and continued to receive it until he died in February, 1910. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice J. Gayley" <agayley@dgs.dgsys.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] galvanized yankees > That's an interesting question. My first thought is > if they were serving in the west proctecting the > frontier from Indians, they were probably part of the > Regular U. S. Army, as opposed to the volunteer armies. > IF this is true, I doubt they would have been eligible for > the pensions that the volunteers received. > > Does any one have the answer? > > Alice Gayley > > > Also, does anyone know if these galvanized soldiers also receive pensions > > from the US for their service? > > Lee Anne > > > -- > Pennsylvania in the Civil War > http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/ > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter Civil-War in the list name > >

"Some people really carry a grudge." If you are referring to Edward's remark, I believe it was tongue-in-cheek. We've had ornery folks on this list, but Edward isn't one of them. Sharon

Jean Depending on your data, you may want to try to verify CSA vs USA for your soldier. Kentucky supplied a lot of cavalry regiments to both sides. Kentucky provided 16 regiments of Union Cavalry. As to CSA I do not have a list of the units but from Dornbusch it appears that there were at least 11 regiments of Confederate Kentucky Cavalry. If I may be permitted an aside; my favorite nickname for a soldier is General Alfred E "Mudwall" Jackson who is described as "slow and wavering" in juxtaposition to "Stonewall" Jackson, rapid and steadfast, by George Dallas Musgroveof the 4th Kentucky Cavalry CSA in in his reminiscences "Kentucky Cavaliers In Dixie" first published in 1895 in Louisville, republished 1957 (McCowat-Mercer) and 1991 (Broadfoot). There are two Perrigo soldiers from KY listed in civilwardata.com both fought in 12th Kentucky Union Cavalry organized at Caseville and Owensboro, KY. Since you indicate you are not sure which side your KY Cavalryman fought, you might want to check out these two fellows who may be related to each other based on the similarity of their services. They both signed into K company in Nov of 1862 and both ended up in K, perhaps Virgil following Thomas after his promotion. The Service Records for these two might unscramble that. If "Kentucky" could have been a nickname for your soldier then this pair might be a place to start. Mike Thomas B. Perrigo Residence was not listed; Enlisted on 11/17/1862 as a 2nd Lieutenant. On 4/15/1863 he was commissioned into "D" Co. KY 12th Cavalry He Resigned on 11/4/1863 Promotions: * 1st Lieut 4/30/1863 (As of Co. D) Intra Regimental Company Transfers: * 4/30/1863 from company K to company D Virgil Perrigo Residence was not listed; Enlisted on 8/13/1862 at Owensboro, KY as a Private. On 11/17/1862 he mustered into "K" Co. KY 12th Cavalry He was Mustered Out on 8/23/1865 at Louisville, KY Promotions: * Qtr Master Serg Intra Regimental Company Transfers: * from company K to company D

I cannot believe your statement that you would not own up to being related to Gen. Grant. Grant and Lee were both honorable , respected and educated men, both graduating from the West Point Academy. I am a dyed in the wool Yankee but I am related to the Lees. I am proud of it. Some people really carry a grudge.

<<hate to show my ignorance about the Civil War and I hope I don't receive 1,000 E mails about this, but was KY Cav. Confederate troops? I assume it is Confederate because my father's Cook ancestors from GA fought for the Confederacy and my great grandmother Perrigo's family I assume would have done the same. This will give me some additional leads. Thanks again. Jean>> > Content-Type: text/plain > They might have been members of the "Orphan Brigade" The Orphan Brigade was cavalry. If you google on Orphan Brigade you will get a nice web site for the unit. Kentucky was one of those states that was thought would leave the union. Many men from the state joined the Confederacy. When Kentucky didn't leave, those men could not return home - thus they were "orphans". There is another story of how they got that name - but the web site will fill you in on the rest. I really don't know much more than this. I have read several articles about the unit and that is how I am familiar with them. Paula

That's an interesting question. My first thought is if they were serving in the west proctecting the frontier from Indians, they were probably part of the Regular U. S. Army, as opposed to the volunteer armies. IF this is true, I doubt they would have been eligible for the pensions that the volunteers received. Does any one have the answer? Alice Gayley > Also, does anyone know if these galvanized soldiers also receive pensions > from the US for their service? > Lee Anne -- Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/

The following is from Dyer's Compendium about the 9th Maine: Organized at Augusta and mustered in September 22, 1861. Left State for Washington, D.C., September 24, and camp at Bladensburg, Defences of Washington, September 26-October 8. Moved to Annapolis, Md., October 8. Attached to Wright's 3rd Brigade, Sherman's South Carolina Expeditionary Corps, to February, 1862. Fernandina, Fla., Dept. of the South, to January, 1863. District of Hilton Head, S.C., 10th Corps, Dept. South, to June, 1863. St. Helena Island, S.C., to July, 1863. 2nd Brigade, Folly Island, S.C., 10th Corps, July, 1863. 2nd Brigade. Morris Island, S.C., 10th Corps, to August, 1863. 1st Brigade, Morris Island, S.C., 10th Corps, to April, 1864. 1st Brigade, 3rd Division, 10th Army Corps, Army of the James, Dept. of Virginia and North Carolina, to May, 1864. 2nd Brigade, 3rd Division, 18th Corps, to June, 1864. 3rd Brigade, 2nd Division, 10th Army Corps, to December, 1864. 3rd Brigade, 2nd Division, 24th Army Corps, to March, 1865. 3rd Brigade, 2nd Division, 10th Army Corps, Army Ohio, to July, 1865. SERVICE.--Expedition to Port Royal, S.C., October 21-November 7, 1861. Capture of Forts Walker and Beauregard, Port Royal Harbor, November 7. Hilton Head November 8. Duty at Hilton Head till January 29, 1862. Expedition to Warsaw Sound January 29-March 1. Expedition to Florida February 25-March 5. Occupation of Fernandina, Fla., March 5, and duty there till January, 1863. Near Fernandina April 10, 1862 (Co. "I"). Moved to Hilton Head, S.C., January, 1863, and duty there till June, and at St. Helena Island till July. Moved to Folly Island, S.C., July 4. Attack on Morris Island July 10. Assaults; on Fort Wagner, Morris Island, July 11 and 18. Siege operations against Forts Wagner and Gregg, -Morris Island, and Fort Sumter and Charleston July 11-September 7. Capture of Forts Wagner and Gregg September 7. Occupation of Black Island till January, 1864. Veterans on furlough February and March. Non-Veterans duty on Morris Island till April, then moved to Gloucester Point, Va. Veterans rejoin April 28. Butler's operations on south side of James River and against Petersburg and Richmond May 4-27. Occupation of City Point and Bermuda Hundred, Va., May 5. Port Walthal Junction. Chester Station, May 6-7. Arrowfield Church May 9. Operations against Fort Darling May 12-16. Drury's Bluff May 14-16. Bermuda Hundred May 16-27. Moved to White House, thence to Cold Harbor May 27-June 1. Cold Harbor June 1-12. Before Petersburg June 15-19. Siege of Petersburg and Richmond June 16, 1864, to February, 1865. Mine Explosion, Petersburg, July 30, 1864. Demonstration north of James River August 13-26. Strawberry Plains, Deep Bottom, August 14-18, Bermuda Hundred August 24-25. In trenches before Petersburg till September 25. Non-Veterans left front September 21 and mustered out September 27, 1864. New Market Heights September 28-29. Chaffin's Farm September 29-30. Charles City Cross Roads October 1. Fair Oaks October 27-28. Duty on north side of James till February, 1865. Rejoined Brigade at Fort Fisher, N. C. Cape Fear Intrenchments February 11-12. Fort Anderson February 18-20. Capture of Wilmington February 22. Advance on Goldsboro March G-21. Occupation of Goldsboro March 21. Advance on Raleigh April 10-13. Occupation of Raleigh April 14. Bennett's House April 26. Surrender of Johnson and his army. Duty in North Carolina till July. Mustered out July 13, 1865. Regiment lost during service 10 Officers and 172 Enlisted men killed and mortally wounded and 3 Officers and 236 Enlisted men by disease. Total 421. BBFFRRPP wrote: > Hello, > > I believe I was on this List about a year ago, but for some reason > unsubscribed. I have received more details on the War records of my > great-great-grandfather, Joseph KIDDER, of Princeton, ME. Another > descendant of Joseph, my "distant cousin" in NH was able to obtain the > records. > > According to the record, Joseph KIDDER was in Company A .. under Capt. > Charles A. BROOKS). He enrolled for 3 years, and "was wounded by gunshot > in the left chest at St. Mary's, Fla. on Sunday, Nov. 9, 1862 while on the > skirmish line. > > The past 2 weeks I have decided to again look at the question of where .. > St. Mary's, FL, was. I have done some on-line investigating, and posted > some queries, and I have found out that there are many people with many > different opinions .. about the area along the GA / FL border .. where I > think the 9th Maine Infantry was fighting. I believe I read that they > were there, along the St. Mary's River for ten months, from March 1862 to > January 1863. And, I believe they were in Fort Fernandina. > > As of this morning, I have gotten a better picture of the area. The St. > Mary's River is the borderline between GA and FL. There is a town, St. > Mary's, GA, on the northern shore of the river. And, one web site said > that there was a St. Mary's, FL, around 1860. But, the town which records > seem to be referring to is Fernandina, FL, which is now known as Fernandina > Beach, FL. And, this town is on Amelia Island. > > Doing a search for "Amelia Island," I found that the area where Fort Clinch > (sp?) is .. is now a large, historical Park. And, "reenactments" are done > there each year. And, some people believe that Fort Clinch was originally > .. Fort Fernandina. I think I read that this Fort was "under > construction" for many years, and never did get completed. > > (After reading the tourism information about Amelia Island, I feel tempted > to pack my bags .. and go spend a couple of weeks there!) :o) > > During my investigating, I read of "the Campaign to the Carolinas" and of > "the Florida Expedition," and believe that the men from northern Maine were > sent down to and fought at .. VA, GA, SC, NC, and FL. It makes me wonder > how many of those soldiers wanted to .. stay in that part of the country. > > I also read that there was fighting in "middle Florida," and that there is > "a history" going along with the GA / FL border and the towns of Fernandina > and St. Augustine. > > I tried doing a search for "St. Mary's" and found more web sites by > searching for "Saint Mary's." In regards to where my > great-great-grandfather was "seriously wounded," it appears that the > reference could have been .. to the St. Mary's River, to a one-time town of > St. Mary's, FL, or to that area of the country in general. > > (Also found out there was a St. Mary's Parish along the FL / LA border. > But, I don't think the "9th Maine" was in that part of Florida.) > > Joseph KIDDER had two older brothers, Jonathan and Charles, and a younger > brother, J. Calvin, and, yet, I have not found any indication that the > brothers fought in the War. (sons of Calvin KIDDER and Mary WILKINS) > (I am also looking for WILKINS men serving in War from Maine.) > > (I am also looking for relatives of Joseph KIDDER in Princeton, ME. I > believe I saw on the Internet last night that there was a John GREENLAW who > fought in the War. Joseph's grandfather, Calvin KIDDER, of St. Stephen, > NB, had married a Mary Mercy GREENLAW in 1798. Calvin was killed in a > boating accident in 1799. A "guess" of mine is that Mrs. KIDDER > remarried in 1803 to Nathaniel FENLASON (any sp?) and had 10 children. > So, Joseph KIDDER might have had some FENLASON relatives. > > Thank you for your time. > > Betty (near Lowell, MA) -- Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/

Also, does anyone know if these galvanized soldiers also receive pensions from the US for their service? Lee Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: <Fyodor45@aol.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 8:38 AM Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] galvanized yankees > Hi ...I was just wondering how many Confederate prisoners were "galvanized" > into the Union Army to serve on the frontier in exchange for their release > from the prison camps. > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe >

In the very short time I have been on this Civil War list (about 2-3 days) I am beginning to understand the Civil War and why this is a sensitive area of our history that is not fully explored. I have a picture of the monument for Pea Patch Island which contains a roster of Confederate men who fought and died at Pea Patch (DE). Many soldiers tried to escape by swimming across to the NJ side, most of them were shot. It is in a very serene park in NJ across from Pea Patch Island. The prison is dank and dark. Jean