I have never seen a grave marker like that, but I don't doubt it, From 76 - 90 I've enjoyed metal detecting & specializing in farm fields where old homesteads used to be, (always asked permission) Found many civil war buttions & etc. Sometimes found rare things which I thought & did donate them to the meseum they squireled them away & I never saw them again. Oh well such as life, also found rings, if identifable, I returned, Sometimes we find things which we hold for reserch. I belong to the Sons of union vetrans of the civil war, we hold a lot of civil war cermonies at cemeteries & never saw or looked for a marker like that, but will from now on. the SUVCW has a lot of imf. on thinge like that. Should call ( The National Sons of the SUVCW not the local. Jmsuvcw@aol.com Have a musket, " ball"! Ken.

This is the best way this Site is used, HELP, INFORMATION and COOPERATION. Richard Callard -----Original Message----- From: Edward Harding [mailto:eharding2@cox.net] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 9:41 AM To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Civil War web site Sherri, As a part of my home library, I have a small book titled "Historical Record: City of Savannah" by F.D. Lee and J.L. Agnew. The book is an original, and was printed in Savannah, Georgia in 1869 by J.H. Estill, Morning News Steam-Power Press. My reason for wanting to let you know about this book is that it was owned by George W. Bagby, and has his signature in it, as well as a sticker which says, Mrs. Geo. W. Bagby, Richmond, Va. There is also a modern photocopy of a picture of Mr. Bagby in it. It was copied from "The Old Virginia Gentlemen and Other Sketches" by George W. Bagby, edited and arranged by his daughter, Ellen M. Bagby. It's a wonderful little book and so full of good history; history as written before our modern day PC history. I just wanted to let you know about this small book as I wasn't sure if this George W. Bagby was indeed the man who was your ancestor. Edward Harding Washington, NC eharding2@cox.net ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To search our list archives since 1996, go to http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and enter Civil-War in the list name --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet]

SPony111 Ignorance is Bliss in your case, "THAT German lady" is an AMERICAN. "Collard" is spelled CAllard, but I would classify you in the category of "ignoramus" and that would explain you consistent STUPIDITY. Are you afraid to use your name or are you such a ZERO, A NOTHING, or JUST AFRAID? OH, Speak up! You have said nothing except to show your STUPIDITY. Frankly, You are a BOOR. Richard Callard -----Original Message----- From: SPony111@aol.com [mailto:SPony111@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 9:37 AM To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Re: CIVIL-WAR-D Digest V03 RE: the Inappropriate Subject M... In a message dated 10/06/2003 12:49:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, Wseone56@aol.com writes: > I understand the feelings > end of it but please try to be considerate of others. thank you, and please > call > the POLICE or file a Complaint ---off the computer. I certainly agree WITH you, if THAT German lady and MR Collard think this is a crime, THEY should contact THE police. CONCERNED List Member ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet]

Thank you for introducing me to your SITE. Very interesting. Richard Callard -----Original Message----- From: Berlindog@aol.com [mailto:Berlindog@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:27 AM To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] Civil War web site In a message dated 10/6/2003 12:49:35 AM Central Standard Time, Wseone56@aol.com writes: This whole matter needs to be discussed privately. It is quite annoying to open up my daily email and find childish jibberish on a site that should be kept strictly to the subject matter of the CIVIL WAR. ______________________________________ As the Rootsweb Administrator of [8] Lists and [11] Boards, I assure you that I know what is off topic for a Rootsweb List. I didn't fall off of a turnip wagon yesterday.... For the sake of the other Listers and the Admin of this List, I won't go back over why my posts were on the correct subject matter.... I thought I'd post the URL for my own Civil War web site for those of you who like to peruse Civil War sites. As you'll notice, in addition to the expected Civil War info, I've incorporated my genealogy and my husband's genealogy into our Civil War site.... BTW, I also changed the subject title of your post because your subject title is in direct violation of Rootsweb List guidelines.... Here's my URL: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mtbagby/ Sherri Schaefer Bagby ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet]

Thank you for finding items that rightly belong in a Museum and donating them. Your unselfish behavior is to be commended. I have been to a number of grave sites and have found different organization have unique items to honor the Civil War dead. This is probably one such, being from a specific unit. Earlier E-Mails gave details of the Item and pictures were on the E-Bay site. Thank you again, Richard Callard -----Original Message----- From: Kennth Russeau [mailto:KRusseau@webtv.net] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:09 AM To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] NT grave marker I have never seen a grave marker like that, but I don't doubt it, From 76 - 90 I've enjoyed metal detecting & specializing in farm fields where old homesteads used to be, (always asked permission) Found many civil war buttions & etc. Sometimes found rare things which I thought & did donate them to the meseum they squireled them away & I never saw them again. Oh well such as life, also found rings, if identifable, I returned, Sometimes we find things which we hold for reserch. I belong to the Sons of union vetrans of the civil war, we hold a lot of civil war cermonies at cemeteries & never saw or looked for a marker like that, but will from now on. the SUVCW has a lot of imf. on thinge like that. Should call ( The National Sons of the SUVCW not the local. Jmsuvcw@aol.com Have a musket, " ball"! Ken. ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To search our list archives since 1996, go to http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and enter Civil-War in the list name --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet]

I find nothing inappropriate about what is being talked about. If you think it is that way, you don't have to read it, you can delete the messages. Carlene

Dear WSEONE, IF IT SO OFFENDS YOU, Do you know where the DELETE BUTTON is? IT is the one with a large X. This subject is important to all who have Civil War dead in their family. I for one will not hide this subject - It deals with money grubbing theft, (Well, that is what I would call those who desecrate a grave for profit.) FOR YOUR SUGGESTION - "This whole matter needs to be discussed privately." Oh YES, keep it PRIVATE then you would not be offended, what a shame! I for one will not be quiet - REMOVING ITEMS FROM A GRAVE SITE is not only against the law, BUT is despicable behavior on the part of anyone doing so. I am sure that you are not offended with MORAL VALUES? Please Answer, I love to take on Ostriches (Those who bury their heads to reality.) Richard Callard -----Original Message----- From: Wseone56@aol.com [mailto:Wseone56@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 10:49 PM To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] Re: CIVIL-WAR-D Digest V03 RE: the Inappropriate Subject Matter!!! This whole matter needs to be discussed privately. It is quite annoying to open up my daily email and find childish jibberish on a site that should be kept strictly to the subject matter of the CIVIL WAR. I understand the feelings end of it but please try to be considerate of others. thank you, and please call the POLICE or file a Complaint ---off the computer. thanks ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet]

In case you haven't read it thoroughly, it is all about the Civil War; and for the 'childish gibberish' remark...insulting people on the list who express their opinions is more along the lines of "inappropriate" Get over yourself, Marci F. Campbell

This whole matter needs to be discussed privately. It is quite annoying to open up my daily email and find childish jibberish on a site that should be kept strictly to the subject matter of the CIVIL WAR. I understand the feelings end of it but please try to be considerate of others. thank you, and please call the POLICE or file a Complaint ---off the computer. thanks

In a message dated 10/5/2003 2:01:58 PM Central Standard Time, SPony111@aol.com writes: Where do you get that the Plaque is a grave marker? The e-bay page does not state that this is a grave marker, but instead a commemorative plaque. Besides it sounds like the "concerned relative" is not so concerned after all. This doesn't sound like a grave marker at all, it seems to be exactly what it is stated to be, a commemorative plaque. We sell and buy commemorative coins, and other commemorative items...so maybe you all should go help save the whales or something...and mind your own business....ever thought of that?? hummmmm? ________________________________________________ I would be the "concerned relative" and the grave marker, and it's obvious to anyone with any knowledge at all about grave markers and Civil War items that it is indeed a grave marker. The photos on eBay and not the description is what makes it clear that it's a grave marker. The sellers know it's a grave marker and that is exactly why they described it as a plaque instead of a grave marker. They know what they have and they know it's in violation of eBay's policies to have it posted on eBay.... I notice several things quite interesting about your small minded post to this List. You say, "we sell and buy commemorative coins and other commemorative items"... So do the two men who own the antique shop who have this grave markers listed among the many items that they have on bay.... You also use AOL and so do the two men who own the shop that have the grave marker for auction on bay. I'm an All's and I know, just like you know that we can have as many as seven screen names. We can delete them and make up new ones every day of the week too.... I also notice that you're a member of a Civil War List and you make a post to a List that's concerned with Civil War memorabilia to tell me to mind my own business and go save the whales?… I am minding my own business. Captain F. W. Schemer is a distant relative and I think it's disgraceful what the sellers of the grave marker are doing.... I also sign my name to these posts, just like I signed my name to every post on the Schaefer Rootsweb Board and to the Schaefer List about this grave marker.... A genealogical researcher's mind functions similar to the mind of a detective. Perhaps you are also minding your business in this rude post you sent to this List. Perhaps you're the seller of the grave marker.... Did anyone else on the List get that idea? And as this rude person who didn't sign their name would say.... Ever thought of that?? Hmm ????............................... Sherri Schaefer Bagby

Hi Dreama, Henry Eli Garrett served in the 11th Regiment, Company F of the Georgia Volunteer Infantry, Army of Northern Virginia. His brothers, Jackson Garrett and Albert Garrett also served with this unit. He also had three brothers who served in the 52 Georgia Infantry, Company G. They were Martin V. Garrett, James M. Garrett and Jasper Garrett. The eldest brother of the family [William R. Garrett] was with Smith's Legion of Georgia... James Horton, Esq.

Nancy, These markers can indeed be replaced in bronze. Contact me off list if you would like details. Shari ----- Original Message ----- From: <SimplimeCo@aol.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Civil War Grave Marker & eBay > My great grandfather was the last member of the Grand Army of the Republic > representing the Union Army to die in Colorado. I'm proud of my heritage and > proud of his efforts to support his beliefs. I am equally proud of my > confederate great grandfather who fought for the Southern causes. Both take my > Colorado heritage back to Civil War times. However, when the bronze GAR marker from > my Union soldier was stolen from his grave I was crushed. I guess it > wouldn't be particularly important to you, but to me it was priceless. Oh I can > replace it, but today it'd be with plastic not bronze and it wouldn't be the > original. As I recall, it had a teeny flag holder on the back as well... Nope, it > wasn't a tomb stone. But it was indeed a marker on his grave and it now > rests in the hands of a collector who values it not for what it stands for or for > who lies beneath the soil where it once stood, but for the everloving dollar > that he or she believes its worth. Something about the snide remark regarding > Save the Whales struck a cord in me. I'm not against whales, but these markers > are done originally in near reverence to someone who gave themselves for a > cause dear to their hearts. I understand that your motives are merely monitary > and perhaps you feel no pride for your ancestors as I do. Just don't tell me > how to feel unless you've walked in my shoes and had my emotions. I'm sorry > to ramble, but I'm a patriotic flag waving American citizen who's proud of > her heritage and the history that made me what and who I am today and offended > by the continuing abuses of cemetaries and other national treasures. I'm > signing my email, you didn't. > Nancy in Denver > Happily Rooting & Digging the Dusty Trails of Colorado > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter Civil-War in the list name >

Nancy, Very well said! David in Alabama ddorsey@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <SimplimeCo@aol.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Civil War Grave Marker & eBay > My great grandfather was the last member of the Grand Army of the Republic > representing the Union Army to die in Colorado. I'm proud of my heritage and > proud of his efforts to support his beliefs. I am equally proud of my > confederate great grandfather who fought for the Southern causes. Both take my > Colorado heritage back to Civil War times. However, when the bronze GAR marker from > my Union soldier was stolen from his grave I was crushed. I guess it > wouldn't be particularly important to you, but to me it was priceless. Oh I can > replace it, but today it'd be with plastic not bronze and it wouldn't be the > original. As I recall, it had a teeny flag holder on the back as well... Nope, it > wasn't a tomb stone. But it was indeed a marker on his grave and it now > rests in the hands of a collector who values it not for what it stands for or for > who lies beneath the soil where it once stood, but for the everloving dollar > that he or she believes its worth. Something about the snide remark regarding > Save the Whales struck a cord in me. I'm not against whales, but these markers > are done originally in near reverence to someone who gave themselves for a > cause dear to their hearts. I understand that your motives are merely monitary > and perhaps you feel no pride for your ancestors as I do. Just don't tell me > how to feel unless you've walked in my shoes and had my emotions. I'm sorry > to ramble, but I'm a patriotic flag waving American citizen who's proud of > her heritage and the history that made me what and who I am today and offended > by the continuing abuses of cemetaries and other national treasures. I'm > signing my email, you didn't. > Nancy in Denver

My great grandfather was the last member of the Grand Army of the Republic representing the Union Army to die in Colorado. I'm proud of my heritage and proud of his efforts to support his beliefs. I am equally proud of my confederate great grandfather who fought for the Southern causes. Both take my Colorado heritage back to Civil War times. However, when the bronze GAR marker from my Union soldier was stolen from his grave I was crushed. I guess it wouldn't be particularly important to you, but to me it was priceless. Oh I can replace it, but today it'd be with plastic not bronze and it wouldn't be the original. As I recall, it had a teeny flag holder on the back as well... Nope, it wasn't a tomb stone. But it was indeed a marker on his grave and it now rests in the hands of a collector who values it not for what it stands for or for who lies beneath the soil where it once stood, but for the everloving dollar that he or she believes its worth. Something about the snide remark regarding Save the Whales struck a cord in me. I'm not against whales, but these markers are done originally in near reverence to someone who gave themselves for a cause dear to their hearts. I understand that your motives are merely monitary and perhaps you feel no pride for your ancestors as I do. Just don't tell me how to feel unless you've walked in my shoes and had my emotions. I'm sorry to ramble, but I'm a patriotic flag waving American citizen who's proud of her heritage and the history that made me what and who I am today and offended by the continuing abuses of cemetaries and other national treasures. I'm signing my email, you didn't. Nancy in Denver Happily Rooting & Digging the Dusty Trails of Colorado

In a message dated 10/05/2003 3:15:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, callard@surfside.net writes: > There is a concerned > Relative and The Grave site is known. Why don't this concerned Relative contact the (concerned?) Relative that kept the plaque in their yard, and either sold it or gave it away, and maybe they can settle this?

In a message dated 10/05/2003 1:46:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, callard@surfside.net writes: > RETURN TO THE CONCERNED RELATIVE and The SYMBOL to be returned > to the grave site! Where do you get that the Plaque is a grave marker? The e-bay page does not state that this is a grave marker, but instead a commemorative plaque. Besides it sounds like the "concerned relative" is not so concerned after all. This doesn't sound like a grave marker at all, it seems to be exactly what it is stated to be, a commemorative plaque. We sell and buy commemorative coins, and other commemorative items...so maybe you all should go help save the whales or something...and mind your own business....ever thought of that?? hummmmm?

In a message dated 10/5/03 5:46:23 PM !!!First Boot!!!, callard@surfside.net writes: RETURN TO THE CONCERNED RELATIVE and The SYMBOL to be returned to the grave site! It is possible the grave site is no longer. Many Cemeteries have been built over and if any survivors could be found they often are offered the stone and any markers. Sad but legal. Eliz

NICE TO KNOW I'M NOT ALONE GIVING THE JERK THE BOOT. You are nicer about it, BUT, I tell it like it is. Richard Callard -----Original Message----- From: SimplimeCo@aol.com [mailto:SimplimeCo@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 12:41 PM To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Civil War Grave Marker & eBay My great grandfather was the last member of the Grand Army of the Republic representing the Union Army to die in Colorado. I'm proud of my heritage and proud of his efforts to support his beliefs. I am equally proud of my confederate great grandfather who fought for the Southern causes. Both take my Colorado heritage back to Civil War times. However, when the bronze GAR marker from my Union soldier was stolen from his grave I was crushed. I guess it wouldn't be particularly important to you, but to me it was priceless. Oh I can replace it, but today it'd be with plastic not bronze and it wouldn't be the original. As I recall, it had a teeny flag holder on the back as well... Nope, it wasn't a tomb stone. But it was indeed a marker on his grave and it now rests in the hands of a collector who values it not for what it stands for or for who lies beneath the soil where it once stood, but for the everloving dollar that he or she believes its worth. Something about the snide remark regarding Save the Whales struck a cord in me. I'm not against whales, but these markers are done originally in near reverence to someone who gave themselves for a cause dear to their hearts. I understand that your motives are merely monitary and perhaps you feel no pride for your ancestors as I do. Just don't tell me how to feel unless you've walked in my shoes and had my emotions. I'm sorry to ramble, but I'm a patriotic flag waving American citizen who's proud of her heritage and the history that made me what and who I am today and offended by the continuing abuses of cemetaries and other national treasures. I'm signing my email, you didn't. Nancy in Denver Happily Rooting & Digging the Dusty Trails of Colorado ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To search our list archives since 1996, go to http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and enter Civil-War in the list name --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet]

AGAIN, You have not read the E-Mails OR CAN YOU READ? I DO NOT SUFFER FOOLS! Richard Callard -----Original Message----- From: SPony111@aol.com [mailto:SPony111@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 12:24 PM To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CIVIL-WAR] Civil War Grave Marker & eBay In a message dated 10/05/2003 3:15:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, callard@surfside.net writes: > There is a concerned > Relative and The Grave site is known. Why don't this concerned Relative contact the (concerned?) Relative that kept the plaque in their yard, and either sold it or gave it away, and maybe they can settle this? ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To search our list archives since 1996, go to http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and enter Civil-War in the list name --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet]

I'd guess they've beenbonbarded with complaints. It's not a traditional "tomb stone" and they might be simply moving slowly until they know for sure. As of last night, there was not a single bid, they might have to use other routes to unload this treasure. But you can be sure someone out there will buy it as civil war memoribilia, just not thru Ebay. The quick note I received back said that they had already been informed and it was being investigated. I guess the more complaints the better but this jerk is seeing dollar signs not the ugliness of what he's doing. Thanks for the heads up, I appreciate it. Nancy in Denver Happily Rooting & Digging the Dusty Trails of Colorado