Can you narrow it down a little, where in New YORK? Richard Callard -----Original Message----- From: Manson Love [mailto:manson_love2002@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:31 PM To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] August Kraimer from Kennan, WI My GGGrandfather served with the 82nd in Ney York. he was a musician. I can't find any more information on him. I am hoping to find a draft card or something that has his parent's names on it and his place of birth. He had a problem with his signature, I guess it was very hard to read. He might be listed as Gustav Krummer. Thank you in advance. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet]

The Question has been brought up as what is eBay's Policy as to GRAVE MARKERS. PROHIBITED AND RESTRICTED ITEMS Under ARTIFACTS Historical Graves, Tombstones or RELATED MARKERS THESE ITEMS MAY NOT BE LISTED ON eBAY. While we recognize that some historical grave markers may be privately held WITHIN FAMILIES and legal to sell, eBAY is concerned with vandalism that has occurred in graveyards across the world. What happens when a PROHIBITED AND RESTRICTED Item is listed? Here is the typical course of events surrounding a listing that should not be on the general site. A member reports an item to us. We then look up the item and determine (if it is a PROHIBITED or RESTRICTED item) If the item violates (eBAY) policies we end it, notify the seller and any bidders, then respond to the member who reported the ITEM. Almost every State had laws against GRAVE DESECRATION. THESE ARE STATE LAWS, not local, but are enforced by local police. What can you do about GRAVE DESECRATION? These laws are to protect your ancestors graves, or your parents, or your spouse, or your children. Be outraged at the vandalism, have your local police enforce the law. AND stop the sale of these types of Items EVERYWHERE. NO MARKET = NO VANDALISM. Without our ancestors, we would not be. Richard Callard

My GGGrandfather served with the 82nd in Ney York. he was a musician. I can't find any more information on him. I am hoping to find a draft card or something that has his parent's names on it and his place of birth. He had a problem with his signature, I guess it was very hard to read. He might be listed as Gustav Krummer. Thank you in advance. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search

Now, that I have your attention. 1. Contact Detective Crugnola, North Bergen, NJ Police Department. Ask him to impound the GRAVE MARKER and enforce the law against GRAVE DESECRATION. 2. Contact the Seller at trueway1@aol.com suggest that the GRAVE MARKER be placed in a CIVIL WAR Museum until the grave can be located and the GRAVE MARKER be replaced. That for good public relations, they should make no money of this GRAVE MARKER. Should they respond in a positive way and place it in a CIVIL WAR Museum, you might suggest that we will contact the Media in a positive way. Should they take a negative viewpoint and demand money, be assured that we will contact the media in a negative way as far as they are involved. 3. Contact each and every CIVIL WAR SITE and ask their support. Any other suggestions are welcome. Richard Callard -----Original Message----- From: Carlene M. Wojahn [mailto:cwojahn@countryroadswv.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:19 PM To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] GRAVE MARKER ON e-Bay Item #2194059513 Quit yelling, I am on your side. What I simply stated was no one bided on it so the individual has been discouraged in selling it. I don't know how he/she got it, but it should be returned to rightful grave site. However, how can we make them do this ? You tell me. Carlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "callard" <callard@surfside.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:13 PM Subject: RE: [CIVIL-WAR] GRAVE MARKER ON e-Bay Item #2194059513 > NO ONE BID ON IT BECAUSE WE ASKED e-Bay TO STOP THE AUCTION, AS IT IS > AN ITEM NOT ALLOWED TO BE SOLD ON e-BAY. > > THAT IS NOT STOPPING THE SALE TO AN INDIVIDUAL. > > THEY SAID THAT IT WAS A "LAWN DECORATION". > > Like the GAR and the CVA Grave Markers are "LAWN DECORATIONS"? > > If this were on your ancestors grave and taken and sold. Would you be > disturbed and outright angry? > > THIS IS A MATTER OF OUT RIGHT GRAVE DESECRATION, AND THERE ARE LAWS > AGAINST IT. > > We are asking for help. Before it is gone. > > Richard Callard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlene M. Wojahn [mailto:cwojahn@countryroadswv.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:51 AM > To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] GRAVE MARKER ON e-Bay Item #2194059513 > > > No one bided on it > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Your Name" <dstfelix@erinet.com> > To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:24 AM > Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] GRAVE MARKER ON e-Bay Item #2194059513 > > > > Past auctions usually show for at 60 days. > > > > > > > > > > We need help to stop the sale of a GRAVE MARKER on e-Bay. > > > > > > eBay item 2194059513 > > > > > > NOTE THE AUCTION HAS ENDED (Ends Oct-06-03 19:37:15 PDT) - > > Rare > > > Civil War Plaque Cast Iron 32" High Wow! > > > > > > eBay.com Seller List: trueway1@aol.com > > > > > > BUT, THIS IS STILL ON DISPLAY > > > > > > Please go to the site and see for yourself. > > > > > > I have contacted the police in North Bergen, NJ. THIS IS > > SIMPLY > > > GRAVE DESECRATION. > > > > > > It is our hope that this grave marker might be donated to a Civil > > > War Museum until such a time as the Schaefer family as a whole > > > might > > > > be able to conclusively determine where the grave of Captain F. W. > > > Schaefer is located. > > > > > > F.W. Schaefer > > > 3rd New Jersey Cavalry > > > Union > > > Company K > > > Soldier's Rank In: Captain > > > Soldier's Rank Out: Captain > > > Alternate Name: Friedrich Wilhelm Schaefer > > > Film Number: M550, roll 20 > > > > > > The following is a description of his unit and the meaning of the > > > H.V.C. that is on the grave marker: > > > > > > From the following site: > > > http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~jw3u/round/141-150.htm > > > > > > This is the description on that page: > > > > > > H. V. C.--Hancock's Veteran Corps. > > > A Circle Surrounded by a Wreath of Laurel. Wide Red Band Passes > > > Vertically Through the Circle from the Wreath, radiates rays in > > > such > > > > a manner as to form a Heptagon with Concave Sides. > > > Seven hands spring from the Wreath, each grasping a Spear, > > whose > > > heads point the several angles > > > of the Heptagon. The badge adopted originated with Col. C. H. > > > Morgan, Hancock's chief-of-staff. Was approved by Gen. W. S. > > > Hancock in the fall of 1864. > > > > > > General W.S. Hancock bio may be read at the following URL: > > > http://www.civilwarhome.com/hanbio.htm > > > > > > > > > Sherri Schefer Bagby AND Richard Callard > > > Berlindog@aol.com callard@surfside.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > > > To unsubscribe from list mode, email > > > CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the text area of the > > > message, type only the word unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > -- > > CoreComm Webmail. > > http://home.core.com > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from list mode, email > > CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the text area of the > > message, type only the word unsubscribe > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter Civil-War in the list name > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet] > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet]

Quit yelling, I am on your side. What I simply stated was no one bidded on it so the individual has been discouraged in selling it. I don't know how he/she got it, but it should be returned to rightful grave site. However, how can we make them do this ? You tell me. Carlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "callard" <callard@surfside.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:13 PM Subject: RE: [CIVIL-WAR] GRAVE MARKER ON e-Bay Item #2194059513 > NO ONE BID ON IT BECAUSE WE ASKED e-Bay TO STOP THE AUCTION, AS > IT IS AN ITEM NOT ALLOWED TO BE SOLD ON e-BAY. > > THAT IS NOT STOPPING THE SALE TO AN INDIVIDUAL. > > THEY SAID THAT IT WAS A "LAWN DECORATION". > > Like the GAR and the CVA Grave Markers are "LAWN DECORATIONS"? > > If this were on your ancestors grave and taken and sold. Would > you be disturbed and outright angry? > > THIS IS A MATTER OF OUT RIGHT GRAVE DESECRATION, AND THERE ARE > LAWS AGAINST IT. > > We are asking for help. Before it is gone. > > Richard Callard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlene M. Wojahn [mailto:cwojahn@countryroadswv.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:51 AM > To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] GRAVE MARKER ON e-Bay Item #2194059513 > > > No one bidded on it > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Your Name" <dstfelix@erinet.com> > To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:24 AM > Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] GRAVE MARKER ON e-Bay Item #2194059513 > > > > Past auctions usually show for at 60 days. > > > > > > > > > > We need help to stop the sale of a GRAVE MARKER on e-Bay. > > > > > > eBay item 2194059513 > > > > > > NOTE THE AUCTION HAS ENDED (Ends Oct-06-03 19:37:15 PDT) - > > Rare > > > Civil War Plaque Cast Iron 32" High Wow! > > > > > > eBay.com Seller List: trueway1@aol.com > > > > > > BUT, THIS IS STILL ON DISPLAY > > > > > > Please go to the site and see for yourself. > > > > > > I have contacted the police in North Bergen, NJ. THIS IS > > SIMPLY > > > GRAVE DESECRATION. > > > > > > It is our hope that this grave marker might be donated to a Civil > > > War Museum until such a time as the Schaefer family as a whole might > > > > be able to conclusively determine where the grave of Captain F. W. > > > Schaefer is located. > > > > > > F.W. Schaefer > > > 3rd New Jersey Cavalry > > > Union > > > Company K > > > Soldier's Rank In: Captain > > > Soldier's Rank Out: Captain > > > Alternate Name: Friedrich Wilhelm Schaefer > > > Film Number: M550, roll 20 > > > > > > The following is a description of his unit and the meaning of the > > > H.V.C. that is on the grave marker: > > > > > > From the following site: > > > http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~jw3u/round/141-150.htm > > > > > > This is the description on that page: > > > > > > H. V. C.--Hancock's Veteran Corps. > > > A Circle Surrounded by a Wreath of Laurel. Wide Red Band Passes > > > Vertically Through the Circle from the Wreath, radiates rays in such > > > > a manner as to form a Heptagon with Concave Sides. > > > Seven hands spring from the Wreath, each grasping a Spear, > > whose > > > heads point the several angles > > > of the Heptagon. The badge adopted originated with Col. C. H. > > > Morgan, Hancock's chief-of-staff. > > > Was approved by Gen. W. S. Hancock in the fall of 1864. > > > > > > General W.S. Hancock bio may be read at the following URL: > > > http://www.civilwarhome.com/hanbio.htm > > > > > > > > > Sherri Schefer Bagby AND Richard Callard > > > Berlindog@aol.com callard@surfside.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > > > To unsubscribe from list mode, email > > > CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the text area of the > > > message, type only the word unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > -- > > CoreComm Webmail. > > http://home.core.com > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter Civil-War in the list name > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet] > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe > >

In a message dated 10/23/2003 10:53:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, callard@surfside.net writes: Please give me the E-mail address of the person who contacted the Seller. I wish to be in contact with that person direct and not through a second hand assurance that you have done everything that you can do. Richard, I will give you the email address of the Sons of Union Veterans, but anyone can find it on the Internet just as I did. I must say that your attitude doesn't make one want to do you any favors. It isn't my duty to do anything to protect this Marker on eBay, but I did all that I felt that I could do. I didn't see that you did anything except complain. If you are so indignant about it you could, always, purchase it yourself and have it placed back on the grave of the deceased Union Veteran. And yes, I have had lots of experience with DAR markers being removed on eBay. I have even bid on them myself to get them back to the proper grave, and many times the listing would simply "disappear" and I would get an email from eBay saying that the auction of this Item had been canceled with an URL to go see why. When clicking on the URL it would say that it was a Forbidden Item and couldn't be sold on eBay. The email of the person that I contacted is the President of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War and he reassured me that they were doing what they could. It is: SUVWEBMSTR@aol.com Julia French Wood

I may be wrong, but I don't believe the sale was stopped by eBay. It is possible that the price was too high and that is the reason that nobody bid, and the fact that it had a name on it which would be of no interest to another surnamed family, AND lots of the bidders do avoid items that they feel shouldn't be on eBay. In my experience, when an item is removed by the authorities at eBay, the listing will disappear. We have done all that we can do to get it back to where it belongs. I am sure that the Sons of Union Veterans contacted the seller, and am hopeful that they were able to make a deal. Short of buying it yourself, there is nothing more that we can do. Julia French Wood

If you had the STUPID responses that was from a shill for the Seller and people stating the obvious. Plus people telling that they would do something and not doing it, you would have an attitude, also. I have done a lot more than "except complain." This has been going on almost a month. 1. E-Bay was contacted and all bids were blocked. 2. The police in North Bergen, NJ were contacted by phone and I live in California. 3. A number of Civil War Sites were contacted (You would never how deft at passing the buck some are. BUT, If they asked help it would be a different story.) 4. The Seller is not on e-Bay now, for how long? 5. Why should I pay a thief for property? Richard Callard -----Original Message----- From: JULIAFWOOD@aol.com [mailto:JULIAFWOOD@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:08 AM To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] GRAVE MARKER ON e-Bay Item #2194059513 In a message dated 10/23/2003 10:53:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, callard@surfside.net writes: Please give me the E-mail address of the person who contacted the Seller. I wish to be in contact with that person direct and not through a second hand assurance that you have done everything that you can do. Richard, I will give you the email address of the Sons of Union Veterans, but anyone can find it on the Internet just as I did. I must say that your attitude doesn't make one want to do you any favors. It isn't my duty to do anything to protect this Marker on eBay, but I did all that I felt that I could do. I didn't see that you did anything except complain. If you are so indignant about it you could, always, purchase it yourself and have it placed back on the grave of the deceased Union Veteran. And yes, I have had lots of experience with DAR markers being removed on eBay. I have even bid on them myself to get them back to the proper grave, and many times the listing would simply "disappear" and I would get an email from eBay saying that the auction of this Item had been canceled with an URL to go see why. When clicking on the URL it would say that it was a Forbidden Item and couldn't be sold on eBay. The email of the person that I contacted is the President of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War and he reassured me that they were doing what they could. It is: SUVWEBMSTR@aol.com Julia French Wood ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To search our list archives since 1996, go to http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and enter Civil-War in the list name --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet]

If I'm understanding all of the below correctly, you are saying that the auction is still showing on ebay but it was stopped by ebay. ... If it was stopped by ebay it wouldn't show on their site as ebay would have taken it off at the time ebay stopped it. Past auctions that are not stopped (with or without bids) will show at 60 days after the auction ends. It ended normally with no bids: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2194059513 > NO ONE BID ON IT BECAUSE WE ASKED e-Bay TO STOP THE AUCTION, AS > IT IS AN ITEM NOT ALLOWED TO BE SOLD ON e-BAY. > > THAT IS NOT STOPPING THE SALE TO AN INDIVIDUAL. > > THEY SAID THAT IT WAS A "LAWN DECORATION". > > Like the GAR and the CVA Grave Markers are "LAWN DECORATIONS"? > > If this were on your ancestors grave and taken and sold. Would > you be disturbed and outright angry? > > THIS IS A MATTER OF OUT RIGHT GRAVE DESECRATION, AND THERE ARE > LAWS AGAINST IT. > > We are asking for help. Before it is gone. > > Richard Callard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlene M. Wojahn [mailto:cwojahn@countryroadswv.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:51 AM > To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] GRAVE MARKER ON e-Bay Item #2194059513 > > > No one bidded on it > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Your Name" <dstfelix@erinet.com> > To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:24 AM > Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] GRAVE MARKER ON e-Bay Item #2194059513 > > > > Past auctions usually show for at 60 days. > > > > > > > > > > We need help to stop the sale of a GRAVE MARKER on e-Bay. > > > > > > eBay item 2194059513 > > > > > > NOTE THE AUCTION HAS ENDED (Ends Oct-06-03 19:37:15 PDT) - > > Rare > > > Civil War Plaque Cast Iron 32" High Wow! > > > > > > eBay.com Seller List: trueway1@aol.com > > > > > > BUT, THIS IS STILL ON DISPLAY > > > > > > Please go to the site and see for yourself. > > > > > > I have contacted the police in North Bergen, NJ. THIS IS > > SIMPLY > > > GRAVE DESECRATION. > > > > > > It is our hope that this grave marker might be donated to a Civil > > > War Museum until such a time as the Schaefer family as a whole might > > > > be able to conclusively determine where the grave of Captain F. W. > > > Schaefer is located. > > > > > > F.W. Schaefer > > > 3rd New Jersey Cavalry > > > Union > > > Company K > > > Soldier's Rank In: Captain > > > Soldier's Rank Out: Captain > > > Alternate Name: Friedrich Wilhelm Schaefer > > > Film Number: M550, roll 20 > > > > > > The following is a description of his unit and the meaning of the > > > H.V.C. that is on the grave marker: > > > > > > From the following site: > > > http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~jw3u/round/141-150.htm > > > > > > This is the description on that page: > > > > > > H. V. C.--Hancock's Veteran Corps. > > > A Circle Surrounded by a Wreath of Laurel. Wide Red Band Passes > > > Vertically Through the Circle from the Wreath, radiates rays in such > > > > a manner as to form a Heptagon with Concave Sides. > > > Seven hands spring from the Wreath, each grasping a Spear, > > whose > > > heads point the several angles > > > of the Heptagon. The badge adopted originated with Col. C. H. > > > Morgan, Hancock's chief-of-staff. > > > Was approved by Gen. W. S. Hancock in the fall of 1864. > > > > > > General W.S. Hancock bio may be read at the following URL: > > > http://www.civilwarhome.com/hanbio.htm > > > > > > > > > Sherri Schefer Bagby AND Richard Callard > > > Berlindog@aol.com callard@surfside.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > > > To unsubscribe from list mode, email > > > CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the text area of the > > > message, type only the word unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > -- > > CoreComm Webmail. > > http://home.core.com > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L- REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter Civil-War in the list name > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet] > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe > > -- CoreComm Webmail. http://home.core.com

Please give me the E-mail address of the person who contacted the Seller. I wish to be in contact with that person direct and not through a second hand assurance that you have done everything that you can do. I do doubt that you have had "In my experience, when an item is removed by the authorities at eBay, the listing will disappear." BUT, in this case it is different. PLEASE NOTE: THE SELLER IS NOT SELLING ON e-BAY. For how long I don't know. Thank you, Richard Callard -----Original Message----- From: JULIAFWOOD@aol.com [mailto:JULIAFWOOD@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:30 AM To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] GRAVE MARKER ON e-Bay Item #2194059513 I may be wrong, but I don't believe the sale was stopped by eBay. It is possible that the price was too high and that is the reason that nobody bid, and the fact that it had a name on it which would be of no interest to another surnamed family, AND lots of the bidders do avoid items that they feel shouldn't be on eBay. In my experience, when an item is removed by the authorities at eBay, the listing will disappear. We have done all that we can do to get it back to where it belongs. I am sure that the Sons of Union Veterans contacted the seller, and am hopeful that they were able to make a deal. Short of buying it yourself, there is nothing more that we can do. Julia French Wood ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet]

Dear YOUR NAME, Everything is spelled out and what you think is incorrect. 1, The Auction was stopped by e-Bay. 2, The Item is an Item forbidden for sale on e-Bay. 3, This does not preclude the sale to an INDIVIDUAL. 4. Once it is sold it can disappear. ` 5. We must recover it before it disappears and have it returned to the grave site where it belongs. 6. OR at least put in a Civil War Museum until the Grave Site is determined. Thank you, Richard Callard -----Original Message----- From: Your Name [mailto:dstfelix@erinet.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:28 AM To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CIVIL-WAR] GRAVE MARKER ON e-Bay Item #2194059513 If I'm understanding all of the below correctly, you are saying that the auction is still showing on ebay but it was stopped by ebay. ... If it was stopped by ebay it wouldn't show on their site as ebay would have taken it off at the time ebay stopped it. Past auctions that are not stopped (with or without bids) will show at 60 days after the auction ends. It ended normally with no bids: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2194059513 > NO ONE BID ON IT BECAUSE WE ASKED e-Bay TO STOP THE AUCTION, AS IT IS > AN ITEM NOT ALLOWED TO BE SOLD ON e-BAY. > > THAT IS NOT STOPPING THE SALE TO AN INDIVIDUAL. > > THEY SAID THAT IT WAS A "LAWN DECORATION". > > Like the GAR and the CVA Grave Markers are "LAWN DECORATIONS"? > > If this were on your ancestors grave and taken and sold. Would you be > disturbed and outright angry? > > THIS IS A MATTER OF OUT RIGHT GRAVE DESECRATION, AND THERE ARE LAWS > AGAINST IT. > > We are asking for help. Before it is gone. > > Richard Callard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlene M. Wojahn [mailto:cwojahn@countryroadswv.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:51 AM > To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] GRAVE MARKER ON e-Bay Item #2194059513 > > > No one bidded on it > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Your Name" <dstfelix@erinet.com> > To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:24 AM > Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] GRAVE MARKER ON e-Bay Item #2194059513 > > > > Past auctions usually show for at 60 days. > > > > > > > > > > We need help to stop the sale of a GRAVE MARKER on e-Bay. > > > > > > eBay item 2194059513 > > > > > > NOTE THE AUCTION HAS ENDED (Ends Oct-06-03 19:37:15 PDT) - > > Rare > > > Civil War Plaque Cast Iron 32" High Wow! > > > > > > eBay.com Seller List: trueway1@aol.com > > > > > > BUT, THIS IS STILL ON DISPLAY > > > > > > Please go to the site and see for yourself. > > > > > > I have contacted the police in North Bergen, NJ. THIS IS > > SIMPLY > > > GRAVE DESECRATION. > > > > > > It is our hope that this grave marker might be donated to a Civil > > > War Museum until such a time as the Schaefer family as a whole might > > > > be able to conclusively determine where the grave of Captain F. W. > > > Schaefer is located. > > > > > > F.W. Schaefer > > > 3rd New Jersey Cavalry > > > Union > > > Company K > > > Soldier's Rank In: Captain > > > Soldier's Rank Out: Captain > > > Alternate Name: Friedrich Wilhelm Schaefer > > > Film Number: M550, roll 20 > > > > > > The following is a description of his unit and the meaning of the > > > H.V.C. that is on the grave marker: > > > > > > From the following site: > > > http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~jw3u/round/141-150.htm > > > > > > This is the description on that page: > > > > > > H. V. C.--Hancock's Veteran Corps. > > > A Circle Surrounded by a Wreath of Laurel. Wide Red Band Passes > > > Vertically Through the Circle from the Wreath, radiates rays in such > > > > a manner as to form a Heptagon with Concave Sides. > > > Seven hands spring from the Wreath, each grasping a Spear, > > whose > > > heads point the several angles > > > of the Heptagon. The badge adopted originated with Col. C. H. > > > Morgan, Hancock's chief-of-staff. Was approved by Gen. W. S. > > > Hancock in the fall of 1864. > > > > > > General W.S. Hancock bio may be read at the following URL: > > > http://www.civilwarhome.com/hanbio.htm > > > > > > > > > Sherri Schefer Bagby AND Richard Callard > > > Berlindog@aol.com callard@surfside.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > > > To unsubscribe from list mode, email > > > CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the text area of the > > > message, type only the word unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > -- > > CoreComm Webmail. > > http://home.core.com > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L- REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter Civil-War in the list name > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet] > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe > > -- CoreComm Webmail. http://home.core.com ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet]

NO ONE BID ON IT BECAUSE WE ASKED e-Bay TO STOP THE AUCTION, AS IT IS AN ITEM NOT ALLOWED TO BE SOLD ON e-BAY. THAT IS NOT STOPPING THE SALE TO AN INDIVIDUAL. THEY SAID THAT IT WAS A "LAWN DECORATION". Like the GAR and the CVA Grave Markers are "LAWN DECORATIONS"? If this were on your ancestors grave and taken and sold. Would you be disturbed and outright angry? THIS IS A MATTER OF OUT RIGHT GRAVE DESECRATION, AND THERE ARE LAWS AGAINST IT. We are asking for help. Before it is gone. Richard Callard -----Original Message----- From: Carlene M. Wojahn [mailto:cwojahn@countryroadswv.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:51 AM To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] GRAVE MARKER ON e-Bay Item #2194059513 No one bidded on it ----- Original Message ----- From: "Your Name" <dstfelix@erinet.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] GRAVE MARKER ON e-Bay Item #2194059513 > Past auctions usually show for at 60 days. > > > > > > We need help to stop the sale of a GRAVE MARKER on e-Bay. > > > > eBay item 2194059513 > > > > NOTE THE AUCTION HAS ENDED (Ends Oct-06-03 19:37:15 PDT) - > Rare > > Civil War Plaque Cast Iron 32" High Wow! > > > > eBay.com Seller List: trueway1@aol.com > > > > BUT, THIS IS STILL ON DISPLAY > > > > Please go to the site and see for yourself. > > > > I have contacted the police in North Bergen, NJ. THIS IS > SIMPLY > > GRAVE DESECRATION. > > > > It is our hope that this grave marker might be donated to a Civil > > War Museum until such a time as the Schaefer family as a whole might > > be able to conclusively determine where the grave of Captain F. W. > > Schaefer is located. > > > > F.W. Schaefer > > 3rd New Jersey Cavalry > > Union > > Company K > > Soldier's Rank In: Captain > > Soldier's Rank Out: Captain > > Alternate Name: Friedrich Wilhelm Schaefer > > Film Number: M550, roll 20 > > > > The following is a description of his unit and the meaning of the > > H.V.C. that is on the grave marker: > > > > From the following site: > > http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~jw3u/round/141-150.htm > > > > This is the description on that page: > > > > H. V. C.--Hancock's Veteran Corps. > > A Circle Surrounded by a Wreath of Laurel. Wide Red Band Passes > > Vertically Through the Circle from the Wreath, radiates rays in such > > a manner as to form a Heptagon with Concave Sides. > > Seven hands spring from the Wreath, each grasping a Spear, > whose > > heads point the several angles > > of the Heptagon. The badge adopted originated with Col. C. H. > > Morgan, Hancock's chief-of-staff. > > Was approved by Gen. W. S. Hancock in the fall of 1864. > > > > General W.S. Hancock bio may be read at the following URL: > > http://www.civilwarhome.com/hanbio.htm > > > > > > Sherri Schefer Bagby AND Richard Callard > > Berlindog@aol.com callard@surfside.net > > > > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from list mode, email > > CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the text area of the > > message, type only the word unsubscribe > > > > > > -- > CoreComm Webmail. > http://home.core.com > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To search our list archives since 1996, go to http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and enter Civil-War in the list name --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet]

No one bidded on it ----- Original Message ----- From: "Your Name" <dstfelix@erinet.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] GRAVE MARKER ON e-Bay Item #2194059513 > Past auctions usually show for at 60 days. > > > > > > We need help to stop the sale of a GRAVE MARKER on e-Bay. > > > > eBay item 2194059513 > > > > NOTE THE AUCTION HAS ENDED (Ends Oct-06-03 19:37:15 PDT) - > Rare > > Civil War Plaque Cast Iron 32" High Wow! > > > > eBay.com Seller List: trueway1@aol.com > > > > BUT, THIS IS STILL ON DISPLAY > > > > Please go to the site and see for yourself. > > > > I have contacted the police in North Bergen, NJ. THIS IS > SIMPLY > > GRAVE DESECRATION. > > > > It is our hope that this grave marker might be donated to a > > Civil War Museum until such a time as the > > Schaefer family as a whole might be able to conclusively > > determine where the grave of Captain F. W. Schaefer > > is located. > > > > F.W. Schaefer > > 3rd New Jersey Cavalry > > Union > > Company K > > Soldier's Rank In: Captain > > Soldier's Rank Out: Captain > > Alternate Name: Friedrich Wilhelm Schaefer > > Film Number: M550, roll 20 > > > > The following is a description of his unit and the meaning of > > the H.V.C. that is on the grave marker: > > > > From the following site: > > http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~jw3u/round/141-150.htm > > > > This is the description on that page: > > > > H. V. C.--Hancock's Veteran Corps. > > A Circle Surrounded by a Wreath of Laurel. Wide Red Band Passes > > Vertically Through the Circle > > from the Wreath, radiates rays in such a manner as to form a > > Heptagon with Concave Sides. > > Seven hands spring from the Wreath, each grasping a Spear, > whose > > heads point the several angles > > of the Heptagon. The badge adopted originated with Col. C. H. > > Morgan, Hancock's chief-of-staff. > > Was approved by Gen. W. S. Hancock in the fall of 1864. > > > > General W.S. Hancock bio may be read at the following URL: > > http://www.civilwarhome.com/hanbio.htm > > > > > > Sherri Schefer Bagby AND Richard Callard > > Berlindog@aol.com callard@surfside.net > > > > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > > unsubscribe > > > > > > -- > CoreComm Webmail. > http://home.core.com > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe > >

Past auctions usually show for at 60 days. > > We need help to stop the sale of a GRAVE MARKER on e-Bay. > > eBay item 2194059513 > > NOTE THE AUCTION HAS ENDED (Ends Oct-06-03 19:37:15 PDT) - Rare > Civil War Plaque Cast Iron 32" High Wow! > > eBay.com Seller List: trueway1@aol.com > > BUT, THIS IS STILL ON DISPLAY > > Please go to the site and see for yourself. > > I have contacted the police in North Bergen, NJ. THIS IS SIMPLY > GRAVE DESECRATION. > > It is our hope that this grave marker might be donated to a > Civil War Museum until such a time as the > Schaefer family as a whole might be able to conclusively > determine where the grave of Captain F. W. Schaefer > is located. > > F.W. Schaefer > 3rd New Jersey Cavalry > Union > Company K > Soldier's Rank In: Captain > Soldier's Rank Out: Captain > Alternate Name: Friedrich Wilhelm Schaefer > Film Number: M550, roll 20 > > The following is a description of his unit and the meaning of > the H.V.C. that is on the grave marker: > > From the following site: > http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~jw3u/round/141-150.htm > > This is the description on that page: > > H. V. C.--Hancock's Veteran Corps. > A Circle Surrounded by a Wreath of Laurel. Wide Red Band Passes > Vertically Through the Circle > from the Wreath, radiates rays in such a manner as to form a > Heptagon with Concave Sides. > Seven hands spring from the Wreath, each grasping a Spear, whose > heads point the several angles > of the Heptagon. The badge adopted originated with Col. C. H. > Morgan, Hancock's chief-of-staff. > Was approved by Gen. W. S. Hancock in the fall of 1864. > > General W.S. Hancock bio may be read at the following URL: > http://www.civilwarhome.com/hanbio.htm > > > Sherri Schefer Bagby AND Richard Callard > Berlindog@aol.com callard@surfside.net > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe > > -- CoreComm Webmail. http://home.core.com

Hi Kevin, I live just down the road from Chickamauga Battle Field and everyday as I drive through the park I am awe struck by it's beauty. I suggest you park the car and walk. There are so many paths and until you walk them there is no way you can truly experience the true "feel" of the war. I call it the Silence of War.......... While at the museum check and see if they have finally gotten in a simple little book "SEEN THE GLORY". It is the story of Mark Thrash and his brother, slaves, who helped bury the dead. Mark was then 16 and lived to be 123. This time of the year there are always reenactments being held on the weekends. Just ask at the museum. Go into the small town of Chickamauga, at the one red light turn left and you will almost immediately see the Gordon Lee Mansion, on the right, that was used as a hospital for both sides. Blood can still be seen on the floor of the room used for surgery. The was the residence of James Gordon who was originally from Scotland. The Mansion is now a Bed and Breakfast Inn. Don't be shy, knock on the door and ask if you could see inside....the worst that can happen is they say "No". The Lee and Gordon Mill located off Hwy. 27 is one of the oldest mills in GA. It was owned by James Gordon, and operated by James Lee who married Elizabeth Gordon. The small and very old Methodist Church next to the mansion is named for Elizabeth Gordon Lee. Have fun..........I will be watching for you............Pam

Thanks for the suggestion. I have been to Gettysburg many times and it sounds like the drive around and such is a good method. I want to see all as my roots were Pennsylvania regiments and my wife's were here middle Georgia regiments. I have been to Kennesaw several times and makes for a great day trip. I'm at Andersonville every few weekends and always here for special events....March Living history...Memorial day weekend,,,Veterans day,,,October living history. My offer to meet anyone on this list or any others to meet you there...I give a great 3 hour dime tour...is open to all researchers. Kevin Please visit my website dedicated to those Americans who were imprisoned and died in captivity while in the service to our country Kevin Frye Local Andersonville Historian / National Park Service Volunteer http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/Andersonvilleprison/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "callard" <callard@surfside.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: RE: [CIVIL-WAR] Chattanooga / Chickamauga > Remember Chattanooga was almost surrounded and was under siege, Lookout > mountain and the cannon sites on the mountains to the east, could be of > interest. > > Chickamauga covers a large area. By all means go to the Information > center first and be get all the information you can. > I drive around to the beginning of the battle and follow the course of > the conflict, even if I have to backtrack. This helps me to see it from > soldiers view point, after all they did the fighting. The generals > directed and sometimes lost. > > Are you coming from the South? I found Kennesaw Mountain to be very > interesting. > > I went to Andersonville, last July, would have liked to have met you. > The POW Museum is worth the visit, alone. > > Have a great time, > Richard Callard > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Frye [mailto:frye@gnat.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:54 PM > To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] Chattanooga / Chickamauga > > > After driving through Chattanooga and past Chickamauga more times than I > can say, I am finally going to the site Friday for a few days to take in > what I can in a few days time. Ill also be visiting the National > Cemetery there. > > Does anyone have suggestions on behind the scenes things to see that > wouldn't normally be obvious the typical visitors? > > Kevin > Please visit my website dedicated to those Americans who were > imprisoned and died in captivity while in the service to our country > Kevin Frye Local Andersonville Historian / National Park Service > Volunteer > > http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/Andersonvilleprison/index.html > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter Civil-War in the list name > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Surfside Internet] > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe >

From the diaries I have read and as many refer to the " Raiders" the Turner production " Andersonville " portrays a very accurate showing of what happened here at Andersonville. Although the hanging scene was inaccurate as the large fellow....William Collins,,,,the large guy who commands the movie,,,his rope broke. He hit the ground out cold and when water was thrown on him to revive him,,,he got up crying " Devine intervention " as well as father Whelan tried to save him. The prisoners wanted to part of stopping him,,,marched him back up and " sent him off to eternity " You will find my page http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/Andersonvilleprison/raiders.html most interesting. Kevin Please visit my website dedicated to those Americans who were imprisoned and died in captivity while in the service to our country Kevin Frye Local Andersonville Historian / National Park Service Volunteer http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/Andersonvilleprison/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <NPeters102@aol.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Andersonville > In a message dated 10/22/03 9:08:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, frye@gnat.net > writes: > Please visit my website dedicated to those Americans who were imprisoned and > died in captivity while in the service to our country > > Kevin Frye: > > As an Andersonville historian, can you please recommend the best reference > covering the "Raiders" that were hung? > > > Sincerely, > > Mike Peters > npeters102@aol.com > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe >

In a message dated 10/22/03 9:08:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, frye@gnat.net writes: Please visit my website dedicated to those Americans who were imprisoned and died in captivity while in the service to our country Kevin Frye: As an Andersonville historian, can you please recommend the best reference covering the "Raiders" that were hung? Sincerely, Mike Peters npeters102@aol.com

We need help to stop the sale of a GRAVE MARKER on e-Bay. eBay item 2194059513 NOTE THE AUCTION HAS ENDED (Ends Oct-06-03 19:37:15 PDT) - Rare Civil War Plaque Cast Iron 32" High Wow! eBay.com Seller List: trueway1@aol.com BUT, THIS IS STILL ON DISPLAY Please go to the site and see for yourself. I have contacted the police in North Bergen, NJ. THIS IS SIMPLY GRAVE DESECRATION. It is our hope that this grave marker might be donated to a Civil War Museum until such a time as the Schaefer family as a whole might be able to conclusively determine where the grave of Captain F. W. Schaefer is located. F.W. Schaefer 3rd New Jersey Cavalry Union Company K Soldier's Rank In: Captain Soldier's Rank Out: Captain Alternate Name: Friedrich Wilhelm Schaefer Film Number: M550, roll 20 The following is a description of his unit and the meaning of the H.V.C. that is on the grave marker: From the following site: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~jw3u/round/141-150.htm This is the description on that page: H. V. C.--Hancock's Veteran Corps. A Circle Surrounded by a Wreath of Laurel. Wide Red Band Passes Vertically Through the Circle from the Wreath, radiates rays in such a manner as to form a Heptagon with Concave Sides. Seven hands spring from the Wreath, each grasping a Spear, whose heads point the several angles of the Heptagon. The badge adopted originated with Col. C. H. Morgan, Hancock's chief-of-staff. Was approved by Gen. W. S. Hancock in the fall of 1864. General W.S. Hancock bio may be read at the following URL: http://www.civilwarhome.com/hanbio.htm Sherri Schefer Bagby AND Richard Callard Berlindog@aol.com callard@surfside.net

After driving through Chattanooga and past Chickamauga more times than I can say, I am finally going to the site Friday for a few days to take in what I can in a few days time. Ill also be visiting the National Cemetery there. Does anyone have suggestions on behind the scenes things to see that wouldn't normally be obvious the typical visitors? Kevin Please visit my website dedicated to those Americans who were imprisoned and died in captivity while in the service to our country Kevin Frye Local Andersonville Historian / National Park Service Volunteer http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/Andersonvilleprison/index.html