Seeking information about: Joseph Oliver (?) Trim, from state of Maine. We have only the following information: Wounded, prisoner @ Anderson (Andersonville ?) prison. He owned land in Pinellas Park, Florida in about 1910. Jeanne Cromwell, Historian <ECGinger@AOL.com> Pinellas Park, Florida

My Civil War Soldiers records shows he was Sick in Hospital on card dated 30 Aug- 30 Sept. Also 30 Sept to 30 Oct. The Nov-Dec cards shows he died in a Hospital on 20 Oct 1862. There is nothing in his record that shows where he was sick. How do I find the records that shows where he was and may be buried...

Kevin, I deeply admire the work of the UDS as well as that of the OCR. We work very closely with both of these fine organizations. I guess what I want to say is this: Don't let anyone tell you that the government (VA) can refuse to supply a grave marker for a Confederate veteran. Your local SVC, UDC or OCR can tell you how to obtain one. --Derick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Frye" <frye@gnat.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Re: CSA marker > Derick, > Im not trying to elevate the heat and respectily trust your dedicated > work. > Again I dont know of other states, but the local UDC here in Taylor > County Georgia indeed did place a traditional Confederate headstone in front > of the origional family placed headstone for my wifes ancestor..Zachariah > Beeland who is buried outside of Reynolds Georgia. They are very active here > and have constant fundraisings for such purposes. I know the head of the > local chapter and do know that they paid for,,and installed the new stone > while leaving the origional in place. I can get photos if you wish to see > them. The origional is worn,,but very readable. I suggest anyone looking to > get a stone placed,,,to simply notify the local chapter and inquire there. > > Kevin > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter Civil-War in the list name > >

Derrick, You are absolutely correct, and have stated it clearly. I just went through this with our local SCV chapter in Covington County, Al, trying to get CSA markers for two of my wife's civil war ancestors, whose graves are already marked---as you say, the government will not furnish the markers because their graves are already marked with private tombstones! The solution, if one wants the CSA markers placed, is to purchase the markers from a local monument maker. Jim -------Original Message------- From: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, November 06, 2003 19:27:47 To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] Re: CSA marker Folks, Lets get this matter settled once and for all! I am a member of the SCV and have assisted MANY folks get Confederate grave markers for CSA vets from the V so I know of what I speak. If anyone is prepared to send documentation to the VA, they will create a marker for any Confederate service (1861-1865) member who DOES NOT currently have a grave marker. If there is already a marker in place (as they stipulate), it doesn't matter what war they fought inor what side they were on, the VA will NOT supply a marker if the veteran died BEFORE 11 Sep 2001, Those who died AFTER 11 Sep 2001 are entitled to a private and/or VA marker. President Bush did what he was able for our servive members. If you need the form to apply for the CSA marker, write me and I will send you a copy. Otherwise, please visit http://www.cem.va.gov/pdf/401330.pdf and print out the form. Please spread the word to others who know where ANY CSA ancestor is buried but has no marker (of any kind). Be prepared to prove it. If I can help in any way, I shall. --Derick S. Hartshorn Dispatch Rider, SCV CF Connor Camp,#849, Hickory, NC If not us, WHO? If not now, WHEN? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickye White" <vickye@usaonline.net> To: <derickh@charter.net> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:51 PM Subject: CSA marker > http://www.cem.va.gov/hmelig.htm > > Note: The second line in the first paragraph. I hope your right but I > do not think so. > Vickye > > Important Notice - New Law Concerning Eligibility for Headstones and > Markers > > The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) furnishes upon request, at no > charge to the applicant, a Government headstone or marker for the grave of > any deceased eligible veteran in any cemetery around the world. For all > deaths occurring before September 11, 2001, the VA may provide a headstone > or marker only for graves that are not marked with a private headstone. > When burial or memorialization is in a national, post, or state veterans' > cemetery, a headstone or marker will be ordered by the cemetery officials > based on inscription information provided by the next of kin. > > Spouses and dependents buried in a private cemetery are not eligible for a > Government-furnished headstone or marker. > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe .

Derick, Im not trying to elevate the heat and respectily trust your dedicated work. Again I dont know of other states, but the local UDC here in Taylor County Georgia indeed did place a traditional Confederate headstone in front of the origional family placed headstone for my wifes ancestor..Zachariah Beeland who is buried outside of Reynolds Georgia. They are very active here and have constant fundraisings for such purposes. I know the head of the local chapter and do know that they paid for,,and installed the new stone while leaving the origional in place. I can get photos if you wish to see them. The origional is worn,,but very readable. I suggest anyone looking to get a stone placed,,,to simply notify the local chapter and inquire there. Kevin

Folks, Lets get this matter settled once and for all! I am a member of the SCV and have assisted MANY folks get Confederate grave markers for CSA vets from the V so I know of what I speak. If anyone is prepared to send documentation to the VA, they will create a marker for any Confederate service (1861-1865) member who DOES NOT currently have a grave marker. If there is already a marker in place (as they stipulate), it doesn't matter what war they fought inor what side they were on, the VA will NOT supply a marker if the veteran died BEFORE 11 Sep 2001, Those who died AFTER 11 Sep 2001 are entitled to a private and/or VA marker. President Bush did what he was able for our servive members. If you need the form to apply for the CSA marker, write me and I will send you a copy. Otherwise, please visit http://www.cem.va.gov/pdf/401330.pdf and print out the form. Please spread the word to others who know where ANY CSA ancestor is buried but has no marker (of any kind). Be prepared to prove it. If I can help in any way, I shall. --Derick S. Hartshorn Dispatch Rider, SCV CF Connor Camp,#849, Hickory, NC If not us, WHO? If not now, WHEN? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickye White" <vickye@usaonline.net> To: <derickh@charter.net> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:51 PM Subject: CSA marker > http://www.cem.va.gov/hmelig.htm > > Note: The second line in the first paragraph. I hope your right but I > do not think so. > Vickye > > Important Notice - New Law Concerning Eligibility for Headstones and > Markers > > The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) furnishes upon request, at no > charge to the applicant, a Government headstone or marker for the grave of > any deceased eligible veteran in any cemetery around the world. For all > deaths occurring before September 11, 2001, the VA may provide a headstone > or marker only for graves that are not marked with a private headstone. > When burial or memorialization is in a national, post, or state veterans' > cemetery, a headstone or marker will be ordered by the cemetery officials > based on inscription information provided by the next of kin. > > Spouses and dependents buried in a private cemetery are not eligible for a > Government-furnished headstone or marker. > >

Jim, I hate to be at odds with you but I have several VA markers, supplied by them AT NO CHARGE, for me and my wife's WBTS ancestors. --Derick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gilmer" <jimgilmer@alaweb.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] CSA marker > No, Vickye, you didn't read it quite right; the government never furnished a > CSA marker, or any veteran a marker, if the grave was already marked. What > George Bush did was get the law changed so that veterans who died after 9/11 > would be furnished veterans' grave markers, even if they already had a > private marker. > > Jim > > -------Original Message------- > > From: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, November 06, 2003 18:02:59 > To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] CSA marker > > If I read the instructions correctly on this page. > http://www.cem.va.gov/hmelig.htm > > We are no longer able to get a CSA marker for the grave. The family put up > a private headstone for he and his wife years ago. A. D. HADLEY no longer > qualifys for a CSA marker. > > Thank you very much George Bush!!!!!!! > > Vickye > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe > > . > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe > >

What if you know the cemetary but don't know where he is buried there?I have just learned that my 3 great and 2 great grandfathers(father and son)both fought for the Confederate.My 2 great has a government marker but the 3 great is unmarked.Is there any way to still have a marker placed?It is a small family cemetary located in SC.He also "got younger" to get in the war. Any ideas or suggestions? Linda

Thank you to everyone that took the time to help on this problem. I tried to answer everyone but in case I missed someone. I appreciate your help very much. Vickye White

Vickye, I dont know about all states, but here in Georgia the United Daughters of the Confederacy local chapters often place the traditional Confederate headstones,,,not the US Government, Its possiable that in the years following the war that the Georgia state government did this...but as for my wifes GGGrandfather who is buried not far from here,,,received one such stone to add to...not replace,,,his origional family bought stone. It was bought and placed by the local U.D.C. Kevin Please visit my website dedicated to those Americans who were imprisoned and died in captivity while in the service to our country Kevin Frye Local Andersonville Historian / National Park Service Volunteer http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/Andersonvilleprison/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickye White" <vickye@usaonline.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] CSA marker > If I read the instructions correctly on this page. > http://www.cem.va.gov/hmelig.htm > > We are no longer able to get a CSA marker for the grave. The family put up > a private headstone for he and his wife years ago. A. D. HADLEY no longer > qualifys for a CSA marker. > > Thank you very much George Bush!!!!!!! > > Vickye > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe >

I think you misread the web page. I KNOW George Bush wouldn't dare shut off that program . You may print out the request form (known as VA 40-1330) found at: http://www.cem.va.gov/pdf/401330.pdf My experience with VA-supplied markers can be found at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/dcwilson.htm 4.03 HEADSTONES OR MARKERS a. The Monument Service, National Cemetery System, will furnish free of cost a headstone or marker to be placed at the unmarked grave of a member of the Armed Forces of the United States or the Confederate States of America who either died in the service or who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable. 4-2 M21-1, Part VII July 24, 1990 b. Application for graves of veterans in private cemeteries will be made on VA Form 40-1330, Application for Standard Government Headstone or Marker, which will be submitted in accordance with the instructions printed thereon. The nearest relative, or funeral director, or other person (barring intent of the relative to erect a private monument) may execute the application. No application is required for burials in national cemeteries; headstones or markers are supplied automatically upon submission of a VA Form 40-4956, Record of Interment, by the national cemetery Director. c. The Government will prepay shipping charges to the extent indicated on VA Form 40-1330. Costs incident to transporting the stone to the private cemetery from the consignee address, and to erection at the grave are not payable by the Federal Government. At Government cemeteries, all costs are borne by the Federal Government. Best wishes, --Derick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickye White" <vickye@usaonline.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] CSA marker > If I read the instructions correctly on this page. > http://www.cem.va.gov/hmelig.htm > > We are no longer able to get a CSA marker for the grave. The family put up > a private headstone for he and his wife years ago. A. D. HADLEY no longer > qualifys for a CSA marker. > > Thank you very much George Bush!!!!!!! > > Vickye > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe > >

Vickye, Get in touch with the local Sons of Confederate Veterans Camp. Our Camp has a raffle every year to raise money for that purpose. The United Daughters of the Confederacy also might be able to help you. Eddie McRae Sgt. Ivy Ritchie Camp 1734 Sons of Confederate Veterans

Thank you Jim. The gov. does not furnish a stone because "the grave is marked". Thanks for everyone's help. Vickye

If this is true, that George Bush changed the law, so that veterans who died after 9/11 could get markers--Gosh! I guess I got lucky in 1972 when the Government gave my husband a marker for having been in the military. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gilmer" <jimgilmer@alaweb.com> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] CSA marker > No, Vickye, you didn't read it quite right; the government never furnished a > CSA marker, or any veteran a marker, if the grave was already marked. What > George Bush did was get the law changed so that veterans who died after 9/11 > would be furnished veterans' grave markers, even if they already had a > private marker. > > Jim >

I will do that thank you Eddie. I appreciate your help. Vickye

-------Original Message------- From: Jim Gilmer Date: Thursday, November 06, 2003 18:31:38 To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] CSA marker for HADLEY The one thing is for sure; if the grave of the civil war veteran already has a tombstone, the government will not furnish a marker. I tried to get to CSA veterans' graves marked a government expense, but no dice, since they had regular tombstones. Jim Gilmer -------Original Message------- From: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, November 06, 2003 16:50:15 To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] CSA marker for HADLEY This is one of the better sites that has instructions: http://www.cem.va.gov/hm.htm --Derick Conover, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickye White" <vickye@usaonline.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:37 PM Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] CSA marker for HADLEY > I would like to know the steps to getting a CSA marker for my > gg-grandfather? > I use to have instructions. They seem to have vanished. > > I have his pension record from the State so that is already done. > > Thank you, > > Vickye White > Rt. 1 Box 96 > 3477 N. FM 1212 > Stanton, TX 79782 > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter Civil-War in the list name > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe .

No, Vickye, you didn't read it quite right; the government never furnished a CSA marker, or any veteran a marker, if the grave was already marked. What George Bush did was get the law changed so that veterans who died after 9/11 would be furnished veterans' grave markers, even if they already had a private marker. Jim -------Original Message------- From: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, November 06, 2003 18:02:59 To: CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] CSA marker If I read the instructions correctly on this page. http://www.cem.va.gov/hmelig.htm We are no longer able to get a CSA marker for the grave. The family put up a private headstone for he and his wife years ago. A. D. HADLEY no longer qualifys for a CSA marker. Thank you very much George Bush!!!!!!! Vickye ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from list mode, email CIVIL-WAR-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe .

If you lived in TN, you can go to the Veterans Administration in almost any County Courthouse and get forms for obtaining a monument for any Veteran. Then you fill out the requested information and supply supporting evidence that he or she is a veteran and send it to the appropriate office of the Veterans Administration. Should get a monument within a couple of months. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Vickye White <vickye@usaonline.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:37 PM Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] CSA marker for HADLEY > I would like to know the steps to getting a CSA marker for my > gg-grandfather? > I use to have instructions. They seem to have vanished. > > I have his pension record from the State so that is already done. > > Thank you, > > Vickye White > Rt. 1 Box 96 > 3477 N. FM 1212 > Stanton, TX 79782 > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter Civil-War in the list name > > >

If I read the instructions correctly on this page. http://www.cem.va.gov/hmelig.htm We are no longer able to get a CSA marker for the grave. The family put up a private headstone for he and his wife years ago. A. D. HADLEY no longer qualifys for a CSA marker. Thank you very much George Bush!!!!!!! Vickye

This is one of the better sites that has instructions: http://www.cem.va.gov/hm.htm --Derick Conover, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickye White" <vickye@usaonline.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:37 PM Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] CSA marker for HADLEY > I would like to know the steps to getting a CSA marker for my > gg-grandfather? > I use to have instructions. They seem to have vanished. > > I have his pension record from the State so that is already done. > > Thank you, > > Vickye White > Rt. 1 Box 96 > 3477 N. FM 1212 > Stanton, TX 79782 > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter Civil-War in the list name > >