Edward, Please give us more info about the "Slave Narratives", i.e., is that the full title of the book and who is the author? Pat J.

Nice to see we have such sharp, gracious and knowledgeable people on the list! I'll 'keep tuned' for further adventures. :-) Pat J. >I stand corrected. I should have used the word "battling" instead of > "defeating." > > The Monitor beat the Merrimac? Lawd hab mercy! I must have read > another > history book!

I stand corrected. I should have used the word "battling" instead of "defeating." -----Original Message----- From: Edward Harding [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] March 10th and 11th, 1862 - In The News "Even though I've heard about the Monitor defeating the Merrimac as far back as I can remember, it is really interesting to see the story develop and read it as it appeared at the time." The Monitor beat the Merrimac? Lawd hab mercy! I must have read another history book!

I ran across this old newspaper article and thought it might be of interest to some on the list. Edward From "The Crisis" Columbus, Ohio, Wednesday, March 11, 1863 INDIGNATION AT THE MONSTROUS DOINGS OF CONGRESS (From the New York World) The Complete Overthrow of the Public Liberties This is the darkest hour since the outbreak of the rebellion. Congress, by the act passed yesterday authorizing the President to suspend the writ of habeas corpus throughout the whole extent of the country, has consummated its series of measures for laying the country prostrate and helpless at the feet of one man. It was not enough that Mr. Lincoln has been invested with the purse and the sword; that, with an immense power to raise or manufacture money, he has unrestricted command of the services of every able-bodied man of the country. Congress has thought it necessary to give the finishing stroke to its establishment of military despotism, by removing all checks on the abuse of the enormous monetary and military power with which they have clothed the President. What assurance has the country that we shall ever have another Presidential election? None whatsoever, except what may be found in the confidence, reasonable or unreasonable, reposed in the rectitude and patr! iotism of Mr. Lincoln. If any person, in any part of the country, shall think it his duty to resist unconstitutional encroachments on the rights of citizens, Mr. Lincoln is authorized by what purports to be a law, to snatch up that individual and immure him in one of the government's bastilles as long as he shall see fit, and there is no power anywhere in the nation to call him to account. He can send one of his countless provost-marshals into the house of a Governor of a State, or any other citizen, in the dead of night, drag him from his bed, hustle him away under the cover of darkness, plunge him in a distant and unknown dungeon, and allow his friends to know no more of the whereabouts of his body than they would of the habitation of his soul, if, instead of imprisoning, the provost-marshal had murdered him. With this tremendous power over the liberty of every citizen whom he may suspect, or who he may choose to imprison without suspecting, the President is as absolute! a despot as the Sultan of Turkey. All the guarantees of liberty are broken down; we all lie at the feet of one man, dependent on his caprice for every hour's exemption from a bastille. If he wills it, the State Governments may continue in the discharge of their functions; but if he wills it, every one of them that does not become his submissive and subservient tool can be at once suspended by the imprisonment of its officers. Considering the enormous power conferred on the President by the Finance and Conscription Bills, a reasonable jealousy would have erected additional safeguards against its abuse. Instead of that, Congress has thrown down all the old barriers and left us absolutely without shelter in the greatest violence of the tempest. So far as the detestable act passed yesterday is an act of indemnity to shield the President from the legal consequences of past exertions of arbitrary power, it is a confession that he, his secretaries, provost-marshals, and other minions have been acting in violation of the law. It annuls all laws passed by the State Legislatures for the protection of their citizens against kidnapping; it provides for taking all suits for damages out of the State courts and transferring them to the Federal tribunals, and before those tribunals that fact that the injury complained of was done under color of executive authority is declared to be a full and complete defense. It even inflicts penalties on persons coming before the courts for redress of injuries, by declaring that if they are not successful the defendant shall recover double costs. So that the aggrieved party must take the risk of this penalty for venturing to ascertain, in a court of justice, where his oppressor was or wa! s not acting under the authority of the President. To this alarming pass have matters come, that not only does every citizen hold his liberty at the mercy of one man, but he is liable to be punished for inquiring whether the person arresting him really possessed, or only falsely pretended to possess, that man's authority! The attempt to disguise the odious character of this detestable act by a sham provision in its second section is an insult to the intelligence of the people. "The Secretary of State and the Secretary of War," so it reads, "are directed, as soon as may be practible," to furnish to the judges of the courts lists of the names of the persons arrested, that they may be presented to a grand jury for indictment. And who is to judge this practicability? Why, the Secretaries themselves, or the President for them. They will furnish such lists whenever it suits their pleasure, and not before. There is not only no penalty for neglecting to do this altogether, but the main purpose of the act is to protect these officers, and all persons acting under their directions, against all legal penalties for all arrests wherever made, and all detentions in prison, however long protracted. The ninety days during which Congress has now been in session are the last ninety days of American freedom. Our liberties had previously been curtailed and abridged by executive encroachments, but the courts remained open for redress of wrongs. But this Congress has rendered their overthrow complete, by first putting the purse and the sword in the hands of the President and then assuring him of complete impunity in all abuses of this enormous, this dangerous this tremendous power

"Even though I've heard about the Monitor defeating the Merrimac as far back as I can remember, it is really interesting to see the story develop and read it as it appeared at the time." The Monitor beat the Merrimac? Lawd hab mercy! I must have read another history book! "On March 9, 1863, about 9 o'clock in the morning, the modern era or naval warfare began. The iron-constructed U.S.S. Monitor, with a single revolving turret housing two eleven-inch Dahlgren guns, battled the ironclad C.S.S. Merrimack, officially Virginia. The success of the wooden-hulled, iron-plated, floating battery of the South of the day before was forgotten. Now it was a duel of the two revolutionary gladiators of the sea, circling, charging, ramming, and withdrawing. Shells bounced and slid over both vessels, neither one suffering serious damage. After more than two hours of fighting Monitor withdrew temporarily, due to the eye injury of Lieutenant John L. Worden, but soon returned to the scene to find that Merrimack, also suffering from some minor injuries had withdrawn to Norfolk. By the end of the battle, both vessels were commanded by their executive officers, Lieutenant Samuel Dana Greene for Monitor, Lieutenant Catesby ap Roger Jones for Merrimack. For the! most part the strong Federal fleet and the small Confederate escort stood idly by - obsolete in such a fight. Tactically the struggle was a draw. Neither vessel had been seriously damaged; neither had given up." ......The Civil War, Day by Day, An Almanac 1861-1865 I have to say, it still makes me wonder why people even back in the 1860's called the Confederate ship the Merrimack? On the night of April 20, 1861 the Federal Gosport Navy Yard near Norfolk, Virginia was evacuated and partially burned by the garrison and several vessels were scuddled. Commandant Charles S. McCauley had decided that the facility was threatened with capture, and his decision was later censured by Federal authorities. Five vessels were burned to the water line. Four others, including the U.S.S. Merrimack were sunk. When the South did take control of the Navy Yard, the hull of the U.S.S. Merrimack was refloated on May 30, 1861 and on November 25, 1861 a shipment of armor plate was accepted by the Confederate Navy Department to convert the former U.S.S. Merrimack into the new C.S.S. Virginia. Edward

Yesterday and today in 1862, the newspapers in the North and the South were buzzing about the rampage at will of the C.S.S. Virginia, formerly the U.S.S. Merrimac, through the blockading Union fleet in Chesapeake Bay near Norfolk and Newport News. Articles also told of the appearance on the second day of the smaller and faster "Ericsson Battery," the Monitor. Even though I've heard about the Monitor defeating the Merrimac as far back as I can remember, it is really interesting to see the story develop and read it as it appeared at the time. Articles for March 10, 1862: http://www.pddoc.com/cw-chronicles/?m=20060310 Articles for March 11, 1862: http://www.pddoc.com/cw-chronicles/?m=20060311 I am publishing articles daily from the corresponding day in 1862 in my Civil War blog, "Chronicles of the American Civil War." http://www.pddoc.com/cw-chronicles Mike Goad RVs at Haw Creek Outdoors http://www.pddoc.com/camp/recreational_vehicles.htm

John You have done a significant amount of research. I am not an expert on archives of Confederate soldiers, but I would imagine that the archives in Jackson are where anything would be that still exists. It was chaotic after the war. The National Archives (that I know of) has only Service Record files. The individual states of the Confederacy were in charge of Pensions for their soldiers and I would expect anything pertaining to records beyond Service Records would probably be in the archives at Jackson, MS. You may want to contact them to see if there are some files uncategorized or something that they have buried in their vaults. What you would expect to find would be what the regimental secretary turned in after the war and this file beyond the Muster Rolls would probably be in Jackson if it exists. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Mike [email protected] wrote: > I have a question about the Confederate Muster Rolls on Micro-film in many > locations, of a soldier, ( my great-grandfather ). He served in the 16th > Mississippi, Co. E. (Quitman Guards ). His name is Rodolphus Wilson. I have made > copies from the Mississippi State Archives in Jackson, Ms, The National > Archives in Washington, and from copies on film in Southern Mississippi University > in Hattiesburg, Ms. I have found mostly the same card on the film in all > locations, however, some have had more than the others. On most of them it list > the copyist at the bottom of the card. On a few I found in small print at the > bottom of the card " From copy ( Made in the M.S. Office ) War Department, in > March 1905.) of an orginial record borrowed from the Director of Archives > and History, Jackson, MIss- M. S. 938010. Can anyone out there help me on this? > Also on other cards I have found, also in different locations, but not at > all of the three I mentioned, Printed wording " Confed. Arch., Chap. 6, File > No. 42, page, and the number written 27. There are also other also different > file Numbers, and page numbers on some, but the same Chapter number at the > bottom. Are there Confederate Archives somewhere that can be researched? Or have > they been destroyed? Thank You for any and all Help. John Wilson

What are your charges plus copies Thomas

Edward, I read with great interest the William H. von Eberstein information at Joyner Library. I wish they had some of the actual manuscript on-line. I'd love to read it. Jim Gilmer A Tar Heel in Alabama -------Original Message------- From: Edward Harding Date: 03/07/06 16:11:29 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] City Point Hospital Records Alice, You are so very right about the condition of so many valuable papers that are almost 150 years old. Even some of the "newer ones" are even brittle and hard to read. I guess the best example I know of are my GG Grandfather's memoirs which are now protected in the Special Manuscript Department at Joyner Library, East Carolina University, in Greenville, NC. Before his death in 1890, my GG Grandfather who was of English and German heritage wrote his life's memoirs. I have a copy of them that the library got for me so I could read them and also transcribe the portion about his service in the Confederate army. Besides the condition of the paper and ink, it's also sometimes pretty hard to read handwriting from back then due to the old way people used to write. I was lucky and pretty much got everything transcribed with the exception of where a page was torn or where the writing was way too light to be able to read. It's a shame more of these old original documents aren't bei! ng protected to keep them from deteriorating anymore than they already have over the years. If anyone is interested, there's a link online from Joyner Library giving a fair amount of information that's found in my GG Grandfather's memoirs. He was William H. von Eberstein. http://digital.lib.ecu.edu/special/ead/findingaids/0148/ Edward ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from list mode, email [email protected] and in the text area of the message, type only the word unsubscribe

Edward, I love the old handwriting--particularly the use of the letter "f" to indicate double "s". For example, the word "possessed" would be written as "pofsefsed". The Archives does take some steps to help further deterioration of documents. They have various-sized Mylar envelopes to further protect when a particularly tattered one is found. Users also have the option of writing a report of a particularly fragile document and request the preservation staff to inspect it. Alice J. Gayley Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Harding" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] City Point Hospital Records > Alice, > > You are so very right about the condition of so many valuable papers that are almost 150 years old. Even some of the "newer ones" are even brittle and hard to read. I guess the best example I know of are my GG Grandfather's memoirs which are now protected in the Special Manuscript Department at Joyner Library, East Carolina University, in Greenville, NC. Before his death in 1890, my GG Grandfather who was of English and German heritage wrote his life's memoirs. I have a copy of them that the library got for me so I could read them and also transcribe the portion about his service in the Confederate army. Besides the condition of the paper and ink, it's also sometimes pretty hard to read handwriting from back then due to the old way people used to write. I was lucky and pretty much got everything transcribed with the exception of where a page was torn or where the writing was way too light to be able to read. It's a shame more of these old original documents aren't bei! > ng protected to keep them from deteriorating anymore than they already have over the years. If anyone is interested, there's a link online from Joyner Library giving a fair amount of information that's found in my GG Grandfather's memoirs. He was William H. von Eberstein. > http://digital.lib.ecu.edu/special/ead/findingaids/0148/ > > Edward > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email [email protected] > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe > >

Alice, You are so very right about the condition of so many valuable papers that are almost 150 years old. Even some of the "newer ones" are even brittle and hard to read. I guess the best example I know of are my GG Grandfather's memoirs which are now protected in the Special Manuscript Department at Joyner Library, East Carolina University, in Greenville, NC. Before his death in 1890, my GG Grandfather who was of English and German heritage wrote his life's memoirs. I have a copy of them that the library got for me so I could read them and also transcribe the portion about his service in the Confederate army. Besides the condition of the paper and ink, it's also sometimes pretty hard to read handwriting from back then due to the old way people used to write. I was lucky and pretty much got everything transcribed with the exception of where a page was torn or where the writing was way too light to be able to read. It's a shame more of these old original documents aren't bei! ng protected to keep them from deteriorating anymore than they already have over the years. If anyone is interested, there's a link online from Joyner Library giving a fair amount of information that's found in my GG Grandfather's memoirs. He was William H. von Eberstein. http://digital.lib.ecu.edu/special/ead/findingaids/0148/ Edward

No, Sally, there isn't. These records were never microfilmed by the National Archives. Unfortunately if they are in shreds, they are in shreds. Unless some diligent soul is willing to sort thru the shreds and see if any individual records can be salvaged. It's sad but 140 years or so can take a toll on paper. In my work at the National Archives, I'm amazed at the results of the passage of 140 or so years. Many elements at work: High acid paper; deferring qualities of ink--some as bright and bold as the day it was written; other so faded as to be illegible. Brown smudges in the creases where the paper was folded for all those years. Some paper as tough and firm as a manila folder--almost like linen paper; while others are so fragile they crumble just from being picked up. Alice J. Gayley Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dutton Family" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] City Point Hospital Records > Hello - Does anyone know of any on-line records of the City Point Hospital? I understand the records at the Nat'l. Archives are in shreds, but wonder if there could be another source for the information they contain..... thanks, Sally > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To search our list archives since 1996, go to > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter Civil-War in the list name > >

Sally, I use Copernic Plus as my search engine as it combines so many individual search engines online when trying to find information. I tried finding any records online for City Point Hospital and I was unable to come up with anything. I'm hoping someone might have better luck than I did. Edward

Hello - Does anyone know of any on-line records of the City Point Hospital? I understand the records at the Nat'l. Archives are in shreds, but wonder if there could be another source for the information they contain..... thanks, Sally

Hello. I'm a college grad student in Washington, DC. Recently, I have been doing some personal family research at the Archives, and realized that I could be doing this for people at a much quicker pace than the people at the Archives. Generally, a request received by the Archives takes several months, at a minimum, to be processed. So, being that grad school is expensive and I could use a little bit of help to pay some student loans, I am offering to do military research (service files, pension files, etc) at the Archives. The fee that I would be asking for would be reasonable, so as to compensate my time, printing costs and postage for what I will send you. If you are interested, please just email me at [email protected] Take care. Kelley

Jerry Mason is/was the web master for the 8th, 14th and 37th Infantry Regiments of Mississippi. In a recent message, he asked for someone to take over as he did not have the time....I am not SMART enough to do it as I struggle to get a little information Thanks Tom Temple

Carol, I have researched the 3rd and 6th Tennessee Infantries, Union. Some info on 1st and 2nd Tennessee Infantries. All Civil War. Nancy -------------- Original message -------------- From: Carol Botteron <[email protected]> > Have you researched a U.S. Civil War unit or group? > Are you willing and able to help others research that unit? > > The next version of the U.S. Civil War Units File (CWUNITS) will > become available in late March. An announcement will be posted then. > In the meantime I invite listings through Tuesday, March 28. > > Also welcome are reports of non-working addresses in other people's > listings, updates to your own listings, etc. > > If you write to me, please do *NOT* include this message in your reply. > My time and disk space are limited. Also please do *NOT* include > attached files. Thanks! > > The purpose of the CWUNITS file is to let people list units, groups, > battles, etc. that they have information on (from pension records, > books, etc.) and are willing to help other people research. > Typically the contact person had an ancestor who was in the unit, > but re-enactors, history buffs, et al. are welcome. (This is *NOT* > a list of re-enactment units.) People who are interested in a unit > can send the contact person email and share information. > > If you have questions please read the FAQ first. If it doesn't > answer your question, feel free to ask me. > > The following addresses no longer work. If you are one of these > people or know how to contact one, please email me. Unless we find > new addresses we'll have to delete their listings. > > [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] (Maury) > > Anyone who'd like to volunteer to be a contact, please send me email > from the address where you'd like to be listed. If you are > volunteering for more than one unit, it's OK to put them all in the > same message. > > Please list your entries in this format (sample addresses are fake): > Illinois (USA) > 4th Illinois Cavalry, Co. F 1861-4 [email protected] > http://www.fakesample.com/4thil > 18th Reg. Ill. Infantry 1865 [email protected] (John Doe) > (Somebody's Volunteers) > > Instructions -- include the following: > Country (USA or CSA) and state. > Start each entry with the number of the regiment or whatever. > Years (if applicable, but not necessary). > Your email address on each line. > Your real name. > If you have a web page for the unit, include the URL (but we need > your email address and name too). > Also please include a statement like "I volunteer to be a contact > for this unit." This is so we can be sure that everyone we list > understands what the file is for. > > This is a big project, and if you send listings in the wrong format > we reserve the right to send them back for you to fix. If there's > anything in your listings that is not obvious, tell me! If we can't > get your listings complete and clear by the time I have to send the > file to the uploaders, your listings cannot be included. > > If you already have listings in the file, there's no need to send > them again. But if your address has changed, please tell me and > send updated listings. > > CWUNITS is five files (plus one for the intro and one for the FAQ) > as follows: > > Part Filename Contents > 0 CWUNITS introduction only > 1 CWUNITS1 USA national & states A-I > 2 CWUNITS2 USA states K-N > 3 CWUNITS3 USA states O-W > 4 CWUNITS4 CSA national & states A-M > 5 CWUNITS5 CSA states N-V > Q FAQ frequently asked questions and answers > > Parts 1-5 include the intro as well as the listings. Within a state > the units are organized by number (1st Infantry, etc.). > > The file is available on the American Civil War Homepage at > http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/warweb.html > under the heading Rosters & Regimental Histories. > > To get the current version of the file by email at any time: > Send email to [email protected] > (Upper and lower case count in the email address and everywhere else.) > Subject: archive > For part 2 (for example), send the text: > get genealog.cwunits2 > For the FAQ, send the text: > get genealog.cwunitsq > The period (.) has to be after genealog and before the file name. > To get a listing of all of the ROOTS-L files, send the command > get roots-l.catalog > > Carol Botteron (ancestors on both sides) [email protected] > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email [email protected] > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe >

Mississippi (CSA) is on http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/unit4.html Who is Jerry Mason and is he connected with CWUNITS? If he's not on the list I can't do anything. At 8:08 PM -0500 3/5/06, [email protected] wrote: >Please let me know if you have a contact person >For: 37th Infantry Regiment of Mississippi > Company E Shubuta Guards of Clarke County > >Jerry Mason said he No LONGER has time for it > but he would not answer my request. > >Thomas Temple >9079 Hannah Lane >Biloxi, MS 39532 >228-348-7832 E-Mail [email protected] > > >==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== >To search our list archives since 1996, go to >http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >and enter Civil-War in the list name

Please let me know if you have a contact person For: 37th Infantry Regiment of Mississippi Company E Shubuta Guards of Clarke County Jerry Mason said he No LONGER has time for it but he would not answer my request. Thomas Temple 9079 Hannah Lane Biloxi, MS 39532 228-348-7832 E-Mail [email protected]

Have you researched a U.S. Civil War unit or group? Are you willing and able to help others research that unit? The next version of the U.S. Civil War Units File (CWUNITS) will become available in late March. An announcement will be posted then. In the meantime I invite listings through Tuesday, March 28. Also welcome are reports of non-working addresses in other people's listings, updates to your own listings, etc. If you write to me, please do *NOT* include this message in your reply. My time and disk space are limited. Also please do *NOT* include attached files. Thanks! The purpose of the CWUNITS file is to let people list units, groups, battles, etc. that they have information on (from pension records, books, etc.) and are willing to help other people research. Typically the contact person had an ancestor who was in the unit, but re-enactors, history buffs, et al. are welcome. (This is *NOT* a list of re-enactment units.) People who are interested in a unit can send the contact person email and share information. If you have questions please read the FAQ first. If it doesn't answer your question, feel free to ask me. The following addresses no longer work. If you are one of these people or know how to contact one, please email me. Unless we find new addresses we'll have to delete their listings. [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Maury) Anyone who'd like to volunteer to be a contact, please send me email from the address where you'd like to be listed. If you are volunteering for more than one unit, it's OK to put them all in the same message. Please list your entries in this format (sample addresses are fake): Illinois (USA) 4th Illinois Cavalry, Co. F 1861-4 [email protected] http://www.fakesample.com/4thil 18th Reg. Ill. Infantry 1865 [email protected] (John Doe) (Somebody's Volunteers) Instructions -- include the following: Country (USA or CSA) and state. Start each entry with the number of the regiment or whatever. Years (if applicable, but not necessary). Your email address on each line. Your real name. If you have a web page for the unit, include the URL (but we need your email address and name too). Also please include a statement like "I volunteer to be a contact for this unit." This is so we can be sure that everyone we list understands what the file is for. This is a big project, and if you send listings in the wrong format we reserve the right to send them back for you to fix. If there's anything in your listings that is not obvious, tell me! If we can't get your listings complete and clear by the time I have to send the file to the uploaders, your listings cannot be included. If you already have listings in the file, there's no need to send them again. But if your address has changed, please tell me and send updated listings. CWUNITS is five files (plus one for the intro and one for the FAQ) as follows: Part Filename Contents 0 CWUNITS introduction only 1 CWUNITS1 USA national & states A-I 2 CWUNITS2 USA states K-N 3 CWUNITS3 USA states O-W 4 CWUNITS4 CSA national & states A-M 5 CWUNITS5 CSA states N-V Q FAQ frequently asked questions and answers Parts 1-5 include the intro as well as the listings. Within a state the units are organized by number (1st Infantry, etc.). The file is available on the American Civil War Homepage at http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/warweb.html under the heading Rosters & Regimental Histories. To get the current version of the file by email at any time: Send email to [email protected] (Upper and lower case count in the email address and everywhere else.) Subject: archive For part 2 (for example), send the text: get genealog.cwunits2 For the FAQ, send the text: get genealog.cwunitsq The period (.) has to be after genealog and before the file name. To get a listing of all of the ROOTS-L files, send the command get roots-l.catalog Carol Botteron (ancestors on both sides) [email protected]