Afternoon yall, I have two Great Uncles who were born and raised in Massachusetts and later removed and joines the CSA. Lt Col Daniel RUGGLES, USA, class of 1833 USMA. Born in Barre Mass. Career Army officer. Successfully participated in ALL of the USA engagements from 1833 to Feb of 1861. His exploits in the Mexican War should have qualified him as one of the more important CSA officers, but, alas, he was anything but politically correct. He resigned his USA comission in the late winter of 1861 citing the grievous assaults of the Federal Govt. upon the rights of individuals and the sovereign states of These United States. He died in his later years of natural cause. He is buried in the Confederate Cemetery, Fredricksburg, Va. Pvt. Francis Dunbar RUGGLES, born Boston, Mass. Migrated to New Orleans in his late teens to work in an uncles shipping business. Applied for acceptance into the New Orleans Washington Arty, and was accepted. Participated in all engagements from 1861 through Fredricksburg where, working his gun on Marye's Hill he took a mini ball to the spine and bled out that night after being moved to a barn, by his comrades, for some shelter and what comfort they could provide. His final resting place is in Hollywood Cemetery, Richmond, Va. He wrote a letter to his father in the fall before Fredricksburg, and attempted to explain his position in accepting the Southern views. And, I am sure that others of you can add your individuals to these two. have a nice Family afternoon, and remember all those who have served, especially those who have fallen, tomorrow, in a special day of rememberance. Bill

In a message dated 5/27/2006 10:03:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: In the morning reports for the 15th WV Infantry (Union), dated December 29, 1862, I found the entry: "A report that Ashby's cavalry was going to attack us." Confederate cavalry general Turner Ashby died in June 1862. Would the scribe have been talking about his regiment? Would that have been the 7th VA Cavalry? Joy: You are correct that the 7th VA Cavalry went by the moniker of "Ashby's Cavalry." The Laurel Brigade was initially called "Ashby's Cavalry,"and was made up of the 7th Virginia,11th Virginia,12th Virginia & 35th Virginia Cavalry regiments, as well as Chew's Battery. Respectfully, Mike Peters [email protected]

Thanks, Mike, for all the suggestion. J - At 11:32 PM 05/26/2006, you wrote: >Joy, >This order that you quote may be response to Lincoln's late Sept. 1862 >Proclamation of suspension of the privilege of habeas corpus. >This proclamation provided for the arbitrary arrest of any person suspected >of actions disloyal to the government, providing aid and comfort to the >enemy. > Some reasons for this issue were to protect compulsory conscription from >violent backlash. The Army was the chief enforcer. Also, Lincoln and his >cabinet >were fairly sure that McClellen was harboring a disloyal cabal in the Army >of the Potomac, himself being the chief noisemaker. >A footnote quoting an order to "run the E.P. by the Army" I'm sorry I can't >produce in a jiffy. >I have it in my head from Stephen Ambrose "Halleck" or D.H. Donalds' >"Lincoln" (the best ever, I think). (Grant and Sherman didn't comment much >on >politics in their memoirs so I wouldn't go looking in there). Or maybe it >was one >of those long weekends of research on something years ago. Your >probably going >to have to slug it out the hard way to find it. >But I think its going to be the suspension of habeas corpus angle you want >to try first. >Mike Hearn. > > >==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from list mode, email [email protected] >and in the text area of the message, type only the word >unsubscribe

In the morning reports for the 15th WV Infantry (Union), dated December 29, 1862, I found the entry: "A report that Ashby's cavalry was going to attack us." Confederate cavalry general Turner Ashby died in June 1862. Would the scribe have been talking about his regiment? Would that have been the 7th VA Cavalry? Also, does anyone have a copy of Festus Summers' "The Baltimore and Ohio Railroad in the Civil War." I need a lookup. Thanks. JOY

Joy, This order that you quote may be response to Lincoln's late Sept. 1862 Proclamation of suspension of the privilege of habeas corpus. This proclamation provided for the arbitrary arrest of any person suspected of actions disloyal to the government, providing aid and comfort to the enemy. Some reasons for this issue were to protect compulsory conscription from violent backlash. The Army was the chief enforcer. Also, Lincoln and his cabinet were fairly sure that McClellen was harboring a disloyal cabal in the Army of the Potomac, himself being the chief noisemaker. A footnote quoting an order to "run the E.P. by the Army" I'm sorry I can't produce in a jiffy. I have it in my head from Stephen Ambrose "Halleck" or D.H. Donalds' "Lincoln" (the best ever, I think). (Grant and Sherman didn't comment much on politics in their memoirs so I wouldn't go looking in there). Or maybe it was one of those long weekends of research on something years ago. Your probably going to have to slug it out the hard way to find it. But I think its going to be the suspension of habeas corpus angle you want to try first. Mike Hearn.

In a message dated 5/26/2006 1:07:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Examples of those who had their own states Union Regiments are the 1st Alabama Cavalry , the 22 Mississippi , 1st, 2nd, and 7th North Carolina, 22ndMississippi, 1st and 8th Virginia, and the 2nd Florida. All had POWS here at Anderson. This is most interesting to me, I believe the Smith we are tracking was with the Alabama Cavalry. Much food for thought, much thanks Eliz

In a message dated 5/26/2006 12:04:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: for Alabama in the second. He may have had no choice since he was living there conscription was authorized by the Confederacy 16 April 1862 but I do not know who was covered by the act We, between us, know some of the history but truth to tell I never thought conscription <G> so bad of me <G> After the Year with no Summer many left New England, many left when Ohio opened up 1798. Many just had itchy feet and followed the frontier <G> so we have to dig more <G> thanks. Eliz

This is an aspect that many never think about. I don't know the numbers on either side, but it was not just the border states who were split. There are examples of those here in the South who did the same thing. I don't know the number, but if a group of men from a community who were loyal to the Union wanted to join the Federal forces, they would go to a Northern state and join together. If their numbers totaled the required number, they were allowed to form their home states ( Union ) Infantry , Cavalry, etc. If the number of men didn't hit the required number, they were often enlisted into a US. Regular Regiment . Example the 2nd US Infantry, 18th US Infantry and 8th US Colored Troops. Examples of those who had their own states Union Regiments are the 1st Alabama Cavalry , the 22 Mississippi , 1st, 2nd, and 7th North Carolina, 22ndMississippi, 1st and 8th Virginia, and the 2nd Florida. All had POWS here at Anderson. This is yet another example of Brother against Brother in a war when men fought for their beliefs as not necessarily for their own States. Kevin www.angelfire.com/ga2/Andersonvilleprison/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Ruddy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Yankees fighting in CSA > Eliz > Although we tend to think that all men went to war to fight for a > "cause", there were many other reasons, including monetary, joining with > all your buddies, etc. He was there for 10 years and maybe he considered > it home. My suggestion is to look closely at the local history, > especially economic in 1848 or so, in both the New York and the Alabama > areas he lived in, to see if one might postulate a reason why he would > move shift his home from NY to AL in the first place and take up arms > for Alabama in the second. He may have had no choice since he was living > there conscription was authorized by the Confederacy 16 April 1862 but I > do not know who was covered by the act. > Mike > > [email protected] wrote: > > With some very distant connections to my New England families, we have been > > search the Smith family of Union Spring Ala, late of VT and NYS. We found it > > interesting that Yankees would go South during the coming Storm and we wondered > > why. Can anyone shed light on this? > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email [email protected] > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe > >

With some very distant connections to my New England families, we have been search the Smith family of Union Spring Ala, late of VT and NYS. We found it interesting that Yankees would go South during the coming Storm and we wondered why. Can anyone shed light on this? Attatched to this family are the Butterfields who: Milton was a school teacher, but so far no records have been found to prove where he received his education, or where he taught in Niagara. His Uncle, Wellington taught in Lockport, NY, so Milton may have taught in a school there. In 1849 Milton and Martha settled in Troy, AL until the purchase of land in Union Springs, AL, where they opened their own school. Milton taught Math, Science, History, Government and Music. Milton continued to teach school until the outbreak of the War Between the States (1861). The War Dept records from the US Adjutant General's Office show him as Captain M. Butterfield, of the Alabama 23rd. The Alabama 23rd was captured at the Battle of Vicksburg (June or July 1863) and later exchanged. He stopped at his home in Union Springs prior to returning to the Confederate Army, this was the last time his family ever saw him. He was attached to a scouting party during the siege of Atlanta. Milton was wounded at Stone Mountain, GA near Atlanta, about 19 August of 1864, by unexploded shrapnel, while writing a letter to his wife, and later died of his wounds. He was buried in an unmarked grave by his body-servant and a close friend. Eliz

Eliz Although we tend to think that all men went to war to fight for a "cause", there were many other reasons, including monetary, joining with all your buddies, etc. He was there for 10 years and maybe he considered it home. My suggestion is to look closely at the local history, especially economic in 1848 or so, in both the New York and the Alabama areas he lived in, to see if one might postulate a reason why he would move shift his home from NY to AL in the first place and take up arms for Alabama in the second. He may have had no choice since he was living there conscription was authorized by the Confederacy 16 April 1862 but I do not know who was covered by the act. Mike [email protected] wrote: > With some very distant connections to my New England families, we have been > search the Smith family of Union Spring Ala, late of VT and NYS. We found it > interesting that Yankees would go South during the coming Storm and we wondered > why. Can anyone shed light on this?

This link took me to the Library of Congress site but the specific page did not come up. I used their search feature and found that the title is The American Civil War: 365 days and it's by Margaret E. Wagner. With further checking, I learned: "The American Civil War: 365 Days," a 752-page publication featuring 522 images, is available for $29.95 in bookstores nationwide and in the Library of Congress Sales Shop, Washington, DCC 2054-4985. Credit card orders are taken at (888) 682-3557. Online orders can be placed at <http://www.loc.gov/shop/>www.loc.gov/shop/. Amazon.com does have it! Joy At 10:14 PM 05/25/2006, you wrote: >There was a long article in The Huntsville Times, Sunday, May 21, 2006 page >A16, "Congressional library publishes rare images from the Civil War". It >also gives these web sites: >http://www.loc.gov/today/cyberic/feature-wdesc.php?rec3857 and Book site: >http://hna-books.com/index.php/d/1/0/0810958473/ > >Regina > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joy Stalnaker [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:36 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] photographs to be released > >I'll go back through my clothes basket full of newspapers and see if I can >find it --- and will post it here. > > >At 09:42 AM 05/25/2006, you wrote: > >I was unable to locate any 'new' release beyond the 1997 issue of the > >Brady collection. > >Mike > > > >Here in case you haven't seen them are some sites: > > > >Carlyle Military History Institute Photos: > >http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usamhi/PhotoDB.html > > > >Library of Congress photos: > > > >Overall historical photos: > >http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/index.html > > > >Civil War photos: > >http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/cwphtml/cwphome.html > > > >New York Historical Society Photos: > >http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/ndlpcoop/nhihtml/cwnyhshome.html > > > >New York Public Library Photos (amazing collection!): > >http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/index.cfm > > > > > >Joy Stalnaker wrote: > >>I saw the headlines in the paper the other day that NARA is to release > >>previously unpublished CW photographs. I did not get to read it. > >>What's the scoop? Are these going to be published on the web? > > > > > > > >==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > >To unsubscribe from list mode, email [email protected] > >and in the text area of the message, type only the word > >unsubscribe > > >==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== >To search our list archives since 1996, go to >http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >and enter Civil-War in the list name > > > > >==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from list mode, email [email protected] >and in the text area of the message, type only the word >unsubscribe

Joy In Dyer's compendium in the Organization of the 1st Maryland Cavalry it indicates that several companies were assigned to the "Department of West Virginia" up until March of 1862. This may have been a misnomer since, as you mention the Department of West Virginia, didn't officially appear until March and there was a reorganization that took place in June of 1863 which is defined in the OR. However there was a DISTRICT of West Virginia in the Department of the Ohio referred to in several reports of General Jacob Cox and there could also have been confusion in nomenclature between Railroad District of West Virginia and just plain District of West Virginia made in the reports. Things clear up a little bit and the most likely references to "DWV" can be summed up in A report of October 31, 1862 (GUILD INDEX: O.R.-- SERIES I--VOLUME XVI/2 [S# 23]) that denotes in the Union Army, DEPARTMENT of the Ohio, a "DISTRICT of West Virginia" with the following DIVISIONS attached: Cumberland Division, Kanawha Division, District of the Kanawha, Railroad Division. With all the divisions, districts and departments, the meanings of abbreviations in correspondence become ephemeral. Lt. Russell at least in 1863 was under James Campbell in the 54th PA infantry whose assignments at the time were as follows: Organized at Harrisburg August and September, 1861. Duty at Camp Curtin till February, 1862. Left State for Washington, D.C., February 27. Attached to Defences of Washington to April, 1862. Railroad Brigade, Middle Dept., to July, 1862. Railroad Brigade, 8th Corps, Middle Dept., to September, 1862. Defences Upper Potomac, 8th Corps, to March, 1863. 4th Brigade, 1st Division, 8th Corps, to June, 1863. Campbell's Brigade, Dept. West Virginia, to December, 1863. [note that the Railroad 'Division' is here referred to as a Brigade -- a smaller unit] The Eighth Corps was formed as follows according to Fox: The Eighth Corps proper was created by General Orders No. 84, July 22, 1862, which designated the troops under Major-General John E. Wool as the Eighth Corps. These forces were stationed in Maryland, at Annapolis, Baltimore, Harper's Ferry, along the Baltimore & Ohio R. R., east of Cumberland, and along the railroad from Harper's Ferry to Winchester, Va. There is plenty left to discover and using the OR, Dyer, and Fox and searching the various officers involved and their correspondence at the time might uncover the exact position of Lt Russell and his Regiment, Brigade, Division, Corps, Department etc location in Sept of 1862.... Mike Joy Stalnaker wrote: > Also, I'm wondering why these official letters (which are on file at > NARA and from which I copied the above) are signed 2nd Div DWV - The > bill forming West Virginia was signed by Lincoln on December 31, 1862, > and the Department of West Virginia was not formed until March 1863 > according to Boatner. Ideas, anyone?

Thanks a heap, Regina. You saved me digging through my old papers. <G> At 10:14 PM 05/25/2006, you wrote: >There was a long article in The Huntsville Times, Sunday, May 21, 2006 page >A16, "Congressional library publishes rare images from the Civil War". It >also gives these web sites: >http://www.loc.gov/today/cyberic/feature-wdesc.php?rec3857 and Book site: >http://hna-books.com/index.php/d/1/0/0810958473/ > >Regina > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joy Stalnaker [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:36 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] photographs to be released > >I'll go back through my clothes basket full of newspapers and see if I can >find it --- and will post it here. > > >At 09:42 AM 05/25/2006, you wrote: > >I was unable to locate any 'new' release beyond the 1997 issue of the > >Brady collection. > >Mike > > > >Here in case you haven't seen them are some sites: > > > >Carlyle Military History Institute Photos: > >http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usamhi/PhotoDB.html > > > >Library of Congress photos: > > > >Overall historical photos: > >http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/index.html > > > >Civil War photos: > >http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/cwphtml/cwphome.html > > > >New York Historical Society Photos: > >http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/ndlpcoop/nhihtml/cwnyhshome.html > > > >New York Public Library Photos (amazing collection!): > >http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/index.cfm > > > > > >Joy Stalnaker wrote: > >>I saw the headlines in the paper the other day that NARA is to release > >>previously unpublished CW photographs. I did not get to read it. > >>What's the scoop? Are these going to be published on the web? > > > > > > > >==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > >To unsubscribe from list mode, email [email protected] > >and in the text area of the message, type only the word > >unsubscribe > > >==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== >To search our list archives since 1996, go to >http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >and enter Civil-War in the list name > > > > >==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from list mode, email [email protected] >and in the text area of the message, type only the word >unsubscribe

Mr. Hearne - Your number 2 below seems to answer my question which I posted in a message on 5/18 which read: According to an official "Regimental Letters and Orders Book" for the 15th that I found at the National Archives, Colonel Mulligan, commander of the First Brigade, Railroad Division (troops stationed along the B&O west of Cumberland), issued an order that Adjutant James F. Cosgrove would inspect the Fifteenth on December 1st "to meet the view of the President expressed in his late proclamation." WHAT WAS THE PRESIDENT'S LATE PROCLAMATION? The only thing I can find is a preview of the Emancipation Procolamation that he issued in late November. Doe anyone have any clues? My question of you now is this: Is there anywhere that I might find published evidence that President Lincoln intended to "run it by the Army. . ." I want to footnote my quote from above with an explanation and would appreciate some source document for the explanation. Thanks for any help. Joy >Lincoln presented the preliminary E.P. to the Cabinet on 22 Sept. 1862. >The Preliminary E.P. had several functions, none of which served to free any >slaves. >1. To keep England and France from mediating the separation of the country. >After all, they > wanted their precious cotton back. If Lincoln couldn't find it in >himself to take a stand on > slavery, then he obviously did not feel that strongly about its demise. >2. To run it by the Army and see how it played. >3. To play to his abolitionist base, always a good thing with a looming >mid-term election. >4. To link abolition of slavery to the greater goal of maintenance of the >Union. >5. To induce, in the minds of southerners, in general, the idea that the >Federal Govt. > remained preeminent, and that the southerners were insurrectionists -- >not revolutionaries. > >There was not a further E.P. after final publication in Jan. 1863. >

But, Will, what were the reasons behind the formation of Kansas? I am not familiar with them, so please enlighten me. The formation of West Virginia was a direct result of the war. Most (but not all) of the citizens did not want to secede. Joy At 10:00 PM 05/24/2006, you wrote: >Let's see...Kansas actually entered the union January 29, 1861 - just a >couple of months before the first shots were fired at Sumter. However, >South Carolina had already seceded the previous December...So I tend to >include Kansas along with West Virginia...lol. > >Will >----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfman" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:56 PM >Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] F.Y.I. Stonewall and J.A.J. Lightburn & a question > > >>Actually, there were two states born out of the Civil War. Kansas was the >>other one. >> >>I'd love to visit where General Jackson was born. I named my youngest son >>after him.. >> >>Will >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Stalnaker" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:34 PM >>Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] F.Y.I. Stonewall and J.A.J. Lightburn & a question >> >> >>> >>>>I live in the area where is the boyhood home of Stonewall as well as >>>>his birth place. Every other site (or so it seems), including our huge >>>>Corps of Engineer Flood Control lake is named Stonewall Jackson. Union >>>>General Lightburn who led the charge at Vicksburg and is pictured on >>>>the Atlanta Diorama was born in Pennsylvania but spent his boyhood >>>>years in what is now West Virginia (the only state born out of the >>>>Civil War) is from here too. A few things are named for him. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== >>>To unsubscribe from list mode, email [email protected] >>>and in the text area of the message, type only the word >>>unsubscribe >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/346 - Release Date: 5/23/2006 >>> >> >> >>==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== >>To search our list archives since 1996, go to >>http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >>and enter Civil-War in the list name >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/346 - Release Date: 5/23/2006 >> > > >==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== >To search our list archives since 1996, go to >http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >and enter Civil-War in the list name

> > >I'd love to visit where General Jackson was born. I named my youngest son >after him.. I suggest you visit http://www.wvu.edu/~exten/depts/jmill/jmh_area.htm - You'll see a picture of the mill that young Tom Jackson helped his rascal of an uncle, Cummins Jackson, to build. While I am not related to T.J.J., I am related to many who are related to him. I know some other West Virginians take offense, but it is true that "in West Virginia, everything is relative!" <G> Joy

I'll go back through my clothes basket full of newspapers and see if I can find it --- and will post it here. At 09:42 AM 05/25/2006, you wrote: >I was unable to locate any 'new' release beyond the 1997 issue of the >Brady collection. >Mike > >Here in case you haven't seen them are some sites: > >Carlyle Military History Institute Photos: >http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usamhi/PhotoDB.html > >Library of Congress photos: > >Overall historical photos: >http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/index.html > >Civil War photos: >http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/cwphtml/cwphome.html > >New York Historical Society Photos: >http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/ndlpcoop/nhihtml/cwnyhshome.html > >New York Public Library Photos (amazing collection!): >http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/index.cfm > > >Joy Stalnaker wrote: >>I saw the headlines in the paper the other day that NARA is to release >>previously unpublished CW photographs. I did not get to read it. >>What's the scoop? Are these going to be published on the web? > > > >==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from list mode, email [email protected] >and in the text area of the message, type only the word >unsubscribe

There was a long article in The Huntsville Times, Sunday, May 21, 2006 page A16, "Congressional library publishes rare images from the Civil War". It also gives these web sites: http://www.loc.gov/today/cyberic/feature-wdesc.php?rec3857 and Book site: http://hna-books.com/index.php/d/1/0/0810958473/ Regina -----Original Message----- From: Joy Stalnaker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] photographs to be released I'll go back through my clothes basket full of newspapers and see if I can find it --- and will post it here. At 09:42 AM 05/25/2006, you wrote: >I was unable to locate any 'new' release beyond the 1997 issue of the >Brady collection. >Mike > >Here in case you haven't seen them are some sites: > >Carlyle Military History Institute Photos: >http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usamhi/PhotoDB.html > >Library of Congress photos: > >Overall historical photos: >http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/index.html > >Civil War photos: >http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/cwphtml/cwphome.html > >New York Historical Society Photos: >http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/ndlpcoop/nhihtml/cwnyhshome.html > >New York Public Library Photos (amazing collection!): >http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/index.cfm > > >Joy Stalnaker wrote: >>I saw the headlines in the paper the other day that NARA is to release >>previously unpublished CW photographs. I did not get to read it. >>What's the scoop? Are these going to be published on the web? > > > >==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from list mode, email [email protected] >and in the text area of the message, type only the word >unsubscribe ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== To search our list archives since 1996, go to http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and enter Civil-War in the list name

I'm not sure what the reasons for the formation of Kansas were, other than enough folks had settled the area for it to qualify for statehood. Other than that, it could have been the sectional violence over the slavery issue immediately prior to the War. I do know that Quantrel's boys attacked Lawrence, Kansas, not long after it entered the Union. Will ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Stalnaker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] F.Y.I. Stonewall and J.A.J. Lightburn & a question > But, Will, what were the reasons behind the formation of Kansas? I am not > familiar with them, so please enlighten me. > > The formation of West Virginia was a direct result of the war. Most (but > not all) of the citizens did not want to secede. > > Joy > > At 10:00 PM 05/24/2006, you wrote: >>Let's see...Kansas actually entered the union January 29, 1861 - just a >>couple of months before the first shots were fired at Sumter. However, >>South Carolina had already seceded the previous December...So I tend to >>include Kansas along with West Virginia...lol. >> >>Will >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfman" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:56 PM >>Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] F.Y.I. Stonewall and J.A.J. Lightburn & a >>question >> >> >>>Actually, there were two states born out of the Civil War. Kansas was the >>>other one. >>> >>>I'd love to visit where General Jackson was born. I named my youngest son >>>after him.. >>> >>>Will >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Stalnaker" <[email protected]> >>>To: <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:34 PM >>>Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] F.Y.I. Stonewall and J.A.J. Lightburn & a question >>> >>> >>>> >>>>>I live in the area where is the boyhood home of Stonewall as well as >>>>>his birth place. Every other site (or so it seems), including our huge >>>>>Corps of Engineer Flood Control lake is named Stonewall Jackson. Union >>>>>General Lightburn who led the charge at Vicksburg and is pictured on >>>>>the Atlanta Diorama was born in Pennsylvania but spent his boyhood >>>>>years in what is now West Virginia (the only state born out of the >>>>>Civil War) is from here too. A few things are named for him. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== >>>>To unsubscribe from list mode, email [email protected] >>>>and in the text area of the message, type only the word >>>>unsubscribe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/346 - Release Date: 5/23/2006 >>>> >>> >>> >>>==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== >>>To search our list archives since 1996, go to >>>http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >>>and enter Civil-War in the list name >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/346 - Release Date: 5/23/2006 >>> >> >> >>==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== >>To search our list archives since 1996, go to >>http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >>and enter Civil-War in the list name > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, email [email protected] > and in the text area of the message, type only the word > unsubscribe > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 5/24/2006 > >

The reasons for the formation of the KS Territory are a bit more complicated than that. The real issues of the time were the constant struggle and domination by certain special interests (sound familiar?). Slavery merely masked the real issue. Lets recall the Compromise of 1850 and the Wilmot Priviso which both forbade slavery in the territories aquired by the Mexican-American War. Thus in 1854 the NE Territory was formed and the question of slavery was not as issue since it was north of the 1850 Compromise line. But here is the kicker. At the same time there was an ever increasing call for a transcontinental railroad, and IL senator Stephen Douglas was determined that the eastern terminus would be Chicago. Therefore, the railroad would then have to pass through the NE Territory on its way west. In order to secure the line, law enforcement would have to be established and therefore, a territorial government. This would not sit well with southerners. So to gain their support for a Chicago terminus, Douglas proposed the NE Territory be split in two-KS and NE- and that the slavery issue be decided by popular vote. This would repeal the MO Compromise, and satisfy southerners who considered prohibitions to slavery an insult to their honor and a blow to Southern equality in the Union. The result was the KS-NE Act of 1854. Dan Hogan --- Wolfman <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm not sure what the reasons for the formation of > Kansas were, other than > enough folks had settled the area for it to qualify > for statehood. Other > than that, it could have been the sectional violence > over the slavery issue > immediately prior to the War.> Will > > > But, Will, what were the reasons behind the > formation of Kansas? I am not > > familiar with them, so please enlighten me. Dan Hogan [email protected]