While looking for information on Footnote, I discovered that these records for Confederate soldiers are now available: Confederate Soldier Service Records: :Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, Texas, and Virginia Confederate Amnesty Papers Maybe this will be useful to any of you who are searching for your Confederate ancestors. Alice J. Gayley Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/

Sorry for the Misunderstanding.. I am not trying to sell anything. I am trying to find where I may search or get Help Searching for CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS REGISTERS OF HOSPITAL PATIETENTS. I WAS TOLD THEY ARE IN BOOK LIKE THE OLE TIME HOTEL REGISTOR BOOKS. SEARCHING FOR THE YEAR 1862 NORTH MISSISSIPPI AND TENNESSE AREA OLY. MY RELATIVE DIED ON 20 OCTOBER 1862 BUT NOTHING ELSE ON THE RECORDS THAT SHOWS WHERE THEY WERE. NO LUCK IN THE DR SAMUEL HOLLINGSWORTH STOUTS RECORDS AT THE UTEXAS, AUSTIN. ALL HELP AND ADVICE FOR ANYONE IS APPRECIATED tom temple **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

Have you researched a U.S. Civil War unit or group? Are you willing and able to help others research that unit? The next version of the U.S. Civil War Units File (CWUNITS) will be available in late December. An announcement will be posted then. In the meantime I invite listings through Monday, December 17. Also welcome are reports of non-working addresses in other people's listings, updates to your own listings, etc. If you write to me, please do *NOT* include this message in your reply. My time and disk space are limited. Also please do *NOT* include attached files. Thanks! The purpose of the CWUNITS file is to let people list units, groups, battles, etc. that they have information on (from pension records, books, etc.) and are willing to help other people research. Typically the contact person had an ancestor who was in the unit, but re-enactors, history buffs, et al. are welcome. (This is *NOT* a list of re-enactment units.) People who are interested in a unit can send the contact person email and share information. If you have questions please read the FAQ first. If it doesn't answer your question, feel free to ask me. Anyone who'd like to volunteer to be a contact, please send me email from the address where you'd like to be listed. If you are volunteering for more than one unit, it's OK to put them all in the same message. Please list your entries in this format (sample addresses are fake): Illinois (USA) 4th Illinois Cavalry, Co. F 1861-4 Abe.Lincoln@uky.edu http://www.fakesample.com/4thil 18th Reg. Ill. Infantry 1865 jd@fakesample.com (John Doe) (Somebody's Volunteers) Instructions -- include the following: Country (USA or CSA) and state. Start each entry with the number of the regiment or whatever. Years (if applicable, but not necessary). Your email address on each line. Your real name. If you have a web page for the unit, include the URL (but we need your email address and name too). Also please include a statement like "I volunteer to be a contact for this unit." This is so we can be sure that everyone we list understands what the file is for. This is a big project, and if you send listings in the wrong format we reserve the right to send them back for you to fix. If there's anything in your listings that is not obvious, tell me! If we can't get your listings complete and clear by the time I have to send the file to the uploaders, your listings cannot be included. If you already have listings in the file, there's no need to send them again, but please check them. If your address has changed, please tell me and send updated listings. CWUNITS is five files (plus the FAQ) as follows: Part Filename Contents 1 CWUNITS1 USA national & states A-I 2 CWUNITS2 USA states K-N 3 CWUNITS3 USA states O-W 4 CWUNITS4 CSA national & states A-M 5 CWUNITS5 CSA states N-V Q FAQ frequently asked questions and answers Parts 1-5 include the intro as well as the listings. Within a state the units are organized by number (1st Infantry, etc.). The file is available on the American Civil War Homepage at http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/warweb.html under the heading Rosters & Regimental Histories. Carol Botteron (ancestors on both sides) botteron@alum.mit.edu

please add NO items that are for sale! ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tjtemple@aol.com> To: <civil-war@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] Fwd: Civil War Hospital info. > Would some PLEASE HELP > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Help with what ? ---- Tjtemple@aol.com wrote: > Would some PLEASE HELP > >

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Pension Application records often have this information...Theya re in the NARA.> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 10:43:26 -0500> From: agayley@verizon.net> To: civil-war@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Hired Substitutes> > Linda,> > In the North, men who were drafted had three choices: (1) enlist, (2) pay a > commutation fee (paying the federal government not to serve in the army), or > (3) hire a substitute. The drafted man had to find a sub on his own, > although there were "substitute brokers," who could locate one for him.> > Until 1864 the commutation fee was $300 and that is the price that > substitutes accepted. In 1864, the Federal government cancelled the > commutation fee and substitute prices soared.> > I believe records were kept of the substitutes, probably by the local > Provost Marshal's office or perhaps the county where the drafted man lived. > Draft quotas were assigned by state and then by county, and each county > government was responsible for filling its quota. Perhaps these records are > also at the National Archives, but I have never had an opportunity to > request them.> > My guess is that the Confederate substitution process was similar.> > Hope this helps,> Alice Gayley> ----- Original Message ----- > From: <LRudd@aol.com>> To: <civil-war@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:39 AM> Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] Hired Substitutes> > > > Hi,> >> > Reading through a couple of Southern Claims cases, two men of the 1st> > Regiment, Mississippi Light Artillery testified that they hired > > substitutes to> > replace them. Would there be any documents of these substitutions? What > > would be the> > process of acquiring a sub? Did you look among your friends and family and> > inquire -- were there a group of men who volunteered just for this > > purpose?> >> > Linda Rudd> > "Remembering Their Names"> >> >> >> > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > > hottest> > products.> > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate.  Join in. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline

My ancestor was a hired substitute in Louisiana He received two healthy slaves age 15, a boy and a girl He was 50 years old and in poor health. The family made sure the slaves always had shoes and food, whereas the family often did not have either **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

Yes, it does. Alice ----- Original Message ----- From: <LRudd@aol.com> To: <civil-war@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Hired Substitutes > Alice, Your explanation did help. It seems the old adage that the Civil > War > was "a rich man's war, but the poor man's fight," has a grain or two of > truth. > > Thank you, > Linda Rudd > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Alice, Your explanation did help. It seems the old adage that the Civil War was "a rich man's war, but the poor man's fight," has a grain or two of truth. Thank you, Linda Rudd **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

Hiya, In the South, there were a lot of men hiring substitutes also. These were usually the more affluent men with the money to be able to hire a substitute. In the volumes of "North Carolina Troops 1861-1865: A Roster," I've seen many times where this happened. Edward

Linda, In the North, men who were drafted had three choices: (1) enlist, (2) pay a commutation fee (paying the federal government not to serve in the army), or (3) hire a substitute. The drafted man had to find a sub on his own, although there were "substitute brokers," who could locate one for him. Until 1864 the commutation fee was $300 and that is the price that substitutes accepted. In 1864, the Federal government cancelled the commutation fee and substitute prices soared. I believe records were kept of the substitutes, probably by the local Provost Marshal's office or perhaps the county where the drafted man lived. Draft quotas were assigned by state and then by county, and each county government was responsible for filling its quota. Perhaps these records are also at the National Archives, but I have never had an opportunity to request them. My guess is that the Confederate substitution process was similar. Hope this helps, Alice Gayley ----- Original Message ----- From: <LRudd@aol.com> To: <civil-war@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: [CIVIL-WAR] Hired Substitutes > Hi, > > Reading through a couple of Southern Claims cases, two men of the 1st > Regiment, Mississippi Light Artillery testified that they hired > substitutes to > replace them. Would there be any documents of these substitutions? What > would be the > process of acquiring a sub? Did you look among your friends and family and > inquire -- were there a group of men who volunteered just for this > purpose? > > Linda Rudd > "Remembering Their Names" > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Reading through a couple of Southern Claims cases, two men of the 1st Regiment, Mississippi Light Artillery testified that they hired substitutes to replace them. Would there be any documents of these substitutions? What would be the process of acquiring a sub? Did you look among your friends and family and inquire -- were there a group of men who volunteered just for this purpose? Linda Rudd "Remembering Their Names" **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

Well said Ted, Thank you! Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Myers" <sgtmajor17thcav@yahoo.com> To: <civil-war@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Company E, 53rd Regiment, NC Troops - desertions > As some of may think desertion a bad thing, or think of soldiers as > cowards, was > not always the case in the civil war. The first thing one has consider is > the fact > that it was horrible blood bath, and this was on both sides. However I do > feel that > the men who fought in the south suffered a great deal more then those in > the north. > But even at that, those men in the north who Volunteered, desertion was > high. by > the wars end 170,216 white soldiers in the Volunteer army deserted. this > also takes > in 187 officers. As for Colored troops it was 12,464 and this total > includes 24 officers > Also included in these figures are 16,365 regular army troops. > > As for confederate troops in many cases the totals were much higher. By > Oct 1863 > thoundsands had already deserded the ranks. In 1862 R.E. Lee wrote that > the rate > of desertion in his army was the reason he did not win at Antietam. As > for the men > in the southern ranks the problem was hunger in the ranks and hunger at > home. The > southern soldiers families were starving. Many had no food, money and > were being > refused credit at stores to get food. Many who had farms, their livestock > was being > taken to feed the army. Many left with little or nothing, and few getting > payed for > their stock or food taken. > > There were many contributing factors on both sides of the line. Do I > consider them > cowards, no. One has to take in to consideration the kind of war it was. > Consider > the number of men who died between the ages of 17 and 21. Your time in > battle > was roughly 30 minutes before you were killed or wounded. Fredericksburg > and > Gettysburg are great examples of death on a battlefield. > > I have served my country honorably for 26 years, and never would consider > the fact > of ever deserting my post or my duty to the people of this great place we > call > America. But I never had to fight in the Civil War, and if I had would I > have ever > considered desertion, I can honestly say I don't know. > > Folks there is a great book out there about what people went through > during the > civil war. If you get the chance read it, some of you amy look at things > a little > different. > > "The People's History Of The Civil War" by Daivid Williams > > Ted Myers > > Edward Harding <eharding2@suddenlink.net> wrote: > Alice, > > Thanks for mentioning these soldier's own patriotic beliefs. One of my own > ancestors stated something so well in a portion of his last letter home to > his wife and I wanted to share it. This letter was written on August 13th > and 14th, 1864 and my ancestor was killed on August 16, 1864. > > "I do not think you should be as indifferent as you estimated in one of > your letters, should I not be spared too return to my loved ones. Had it > been the present generation alone that we would benefit it would have been > better to have submitted to the incroachments of that blind fanaticism of > the north that has drafted our sunny south with mourning & caused > thousands of hearthstones to be desolate. We should remember it is not for > ourselves alone we labor. Our revolutionary fathers planted the seed of > liberty - nurtured the tender plants & watered it with their blood, & for > what? That we, their offspring might eat of the fruits thereof. Are we > less patriotic than they? Should it be said, that the sons of such sires > have become so selfish that they look only to the present enforcement of > themselves & sit comfy and witness the manufacture of the chains that are > being prepared for their children? I know you will say no. I am aware that > there are those who pretend to bel! > ieve that this war might have been averted - that it was in the power of > certain southern men to have prevented hostilities between the two > sections & that those men are responsible for the evils we are now > experiencing. I am one of those who do not think it could have been > consistant with Southern honor." > > Edward Harding > http://ehardingwbtsancestors.homestead.com/Index.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

At 09:46 AM 12/1/2007, you wrote: >morning yall, > >We must remember that during the American War of '61-65, a majority of the >troops were volunteers who believed that they were serving to defend their >homeland. > >When word would reach units that their families were in dire straits, just >as in the War of '75-83, these brave men (boys mostly...) would be >torn between > their loyalty to their comrades and the needs of their families. > >Is it any wonder that many troopers slipped away to aid their families only >to voluntarily return to their units, many to later pay the ultimate price. > >Desertion for cowardice is one thing, truly deserving punishment, leaving >ones unit is technically desertion but back then it was total war, not as we >have now. > >have a great weekend > >Bill I think that pretty well sums it up. I apologize to all for creating the impression that I might suggest that all desertions were a matter of cowardice. --Derick

As some of may think desertion a bad thing, or think of soldiers as cowards, was not always the case in the civil war. The first thing one has consider is the fact that it was horrible blood bath, and this was on both sides. However I do feel that the men who fought in the south suffered a great deal more then those in the north. But even at that, those men in the north who Volunteered, desertion was high. by the wars end 170,216 white soldiers in the Volunteer army deserted. this also takes in 187 officers. As for Colored troops it was 12,464 and this total includes 24 officers Also included in these figures are 16,365 regular army troops. As for confederate troops in many cases the totals were much higher. By Oct 1863 thoundsands had already deserded the ranks. In 1862 R.E. Lee wrote that the rate of desertion in his army was the reason he did not win at Antietam. As for the men in the southern ranks the problem was hunger in the ranks and hunger at home. The southern soldiers families were starving. Many had no food, money and were being refused credit at stores to get food. Many who had farms, their livestock was being taken to feed the army. Many left with little or nothing, and few getting payed for their stock or food taken. There were many contributing factors on both sides of the line. Do I consider them cowards, no. One has to take in to consideration the kind of war it was. Consider the number of men who died between the ages of 17 and 21. Your time in battle was roughly 30 minutes before you were killed or wounded. Fredericksburg and Gettysburg are great examples of death on a battlefield. I have served my country honorably for 26 years, and never would consider the fact of ever deserting my post or my duty to the people of this great place we call America. But I never had to fight in the Civil War, and if I had would I have ever considered desertion, I can honestly say I don't know. Folks there is a great book out there about what people went through during the civil war. If you get the chance read it, some of you amy look at things a little different. "The People's History Of The Civil War" by Daivid Williams Ted Myers Edward Harding <eharding2@suddenlink.net> wrote: Alice, Thanks for mentioning these soldier's own patriotic beliefs. One of my own ancestors stated something so well in a portion of his last letter home to his wife and I wanted to share it. This letter was written on August 13th and 14th, 1864 and my ancestor was killed on August 16, 1864. "I do not think you should be as indifferent as you estimated in one of your letters, should I not be spared too return to my loved ones. Had it been the present generation alone that we would benefit it would have been better to have submitted to the incroachments of that blind fanaticism of the north that has drafted our sunny south with mourning & caused thousands of hearthstones to be desolate. We should remember it is not for ourselves alone we labor. Our revolutionary fathers planted the seed of liberty - nurtured the tender plants & watered it with their blood, & for what? That we, their offspring might eat of the fruits thereof. Are we less patriotic than they? Should it be said, that the sons of such sires have become so selfish that they look only to the present enforcement of themselves & sit comfy and witness the manufacture of the chains that are being prepared for their children? I know you will say no. I am aware that there are those who pretend to bel! ieve that this war might have been averted - that it was in the power of certain southern men to have prevented hostilities between the two sections & that those men are responsible for the evils we are now experiencing. I am one of those who do not think it could have been consistant with Southern honor." Edward Harding http://ehardingwbtsancestors.homestead.com/Index.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage.

I don't know what that is. Roger les williams wrote: > Thanks, Roger. Interesting, but didn't find a badge like the one in the photo. > > Les > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Lester<mailto:fishnut89@gmail.com> > To: civil-war@rootsweb.com<mailto:civil-war@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: [CIVIL-WAR] Uniform Item? > > > Here is a link with some photos of Union corps badges: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War_Corps_Badges<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War_Corps_Badges> > > I hope this helps. > > Roger Lester > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

For those who may not be aware there is a Rootsweb message board for the posting of Civil War letters. I have posted several of the letters written by my family members there. Follow the link below. Don Coatney http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.Military.united-20-states.civwar.letters/mb.ashx

Dick - for your use - Linda Soldier's Funeral. The funeral of Henry Baldwin was held at the Methodist Church in Caryville, on Sunday, the 31st inst., at ten o'clock. The deceased fell at the battle of Cedar Mountain, August 9th, 1862, while facing the enemies of his country, and battling to sustain the Constitution and laws of his land. Prompted by a love of country, he enlisted in Capt. Fenn's company soon after the fall of Fort Sumter. Although scarcely more than seventeen, he did not hesitate, when he saw his country's flag trampled upon by traitors, to buckle on the armor and go forth and assist in again planting the old flag in every State where it had been insulted. It was no boyish freak that thus moved him to sacrifice the comforts and enjoyments of home for the hardships and privations of the battle field, but a manly fortitude that welled up in his breast. He left his friends and home, as he said, expecting to lay down his life and pour out his blood to sustain his country. His name will be enrolled among the martyrs for freedom on the bright scroll of liberty, when the names of traitors and cowards are buried in oblivion. "He is gone to the grave - we no longer behold him, Nor tread the rough paths of the world by his side; But his country will love him with deepest emotions, Because like a soldier he fought, bled, and died." * ~ Republican Advocate, Batavia, Genesee Co., NY September 2-1862.

Again! How wonderful! He really paints a picture with words. Keep them coming. Wish I could send some of my gr. grandfather's letters but the R.I. Historical Society needs to give me permission to do so. I have already been given their permission to publish the letters in R. I. Roots this coming year and have promised not to post or print them anywhere else. Claire