--- Hmmmmm This happened before the Dawes Enrollment late 1800s in MS....( mine were in route to here in OK)...if the Weir thing was in 1940s -50s..not the same incident......hhhmmm deana ----- From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > In the Weir case people sent in $4 from all over the country, but the > majority were from southern states--MS, AL, LA In the files I looked at in > Washington, there were only one or two letters from disgruntled/angry people > who had sent in money and got nothing in return-not even a letter > acknowledging contribution. There is no list of names of people who sent in > money in this file. In this case, rumors have it that all Weir's personal > records were stored in the basement of his daughter's house and she will not > talk about it. There are other cases (for example Choctaw Nation v. U. S. > began in 1830s and was finally settled in 1881. MANY names are in it), but > this Weir case was done in the 1940-50s. Jackie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 7:05 PM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > I have printed a form for your book and am VERY excited in receiving it ! > > Also I appreciate you finding the first name of that lawyer..Was it done > in > > I.T. or MS ?...I cant tell from the interviews I have...They were pretty > > scattered in coming here..( OK)... > > again thanx ! > > > > deana > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > Judy's site has many of the choctaw Rolls. She may not have Attorney > > Weir's > > > name on it. At the moment, I cannot remember his first name. I will > have > > > to look it up, but it may take me a day or two to hunt for it as I am > tied > > u > > > this week end. You can see They Say the Wind is Red at > > > http://matte.accessgenealogy.com and at Amazon. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:26 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jackie... > > > > > > > > No I hadnt heard of it but where online might I look for info ? Ive > > looked > > > > at Judys site and didnt see anything on it. What was the guys first > name > > > > ?...Ill try looking that way... > > > > > > > > again MUCHO thanx !! > > > > > > > > deana > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 2:50 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes! you probably heard about the Attorney named Weir from MS who > did > > > > this. > > > > > He accepted money from Choctaws and other Indians for several years, > > but > > > > all > > > > > his efforts led to nothing. He was sued for fraud. I went through > > his > > > > case > > > > > file at the National Archives. There is really nothing in it that > you > > > > can't > > > > > get NOW from Internet. In the bibliography of my book "They Say > the > > > Wind > > > > > is Red," I list all the Choctaw Court of Claims cases. A section on > > > > > Resources for Southeastern Indian Genealogical Research is included. > > > > > Check Judy White's website http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native > for > > > > > rolls. > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, Jackie > > > > > > > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:00 PM > > > > > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have interviews from several ancestors for the Dawse Roll who > were > > > > MCRs. > > > > > They all were saying that they gave their paper work to a man who > they > > > > > thought was an atty., and he ended up being an imposter who wound up > > in > > > > > prison. Has anyone else run across this or even heard of it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > If true why would someone want their paperwork who wasnt ligit ? > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > > > > > > > deana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the > > > quotes > > > > > and spelled correctly. > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW > > > > Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > To Unsubscribe: > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the > quotes > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at > > http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, etc. > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the > list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com >

Your people may have been among the ones who were not removed West, but were left to struggle on their own in MS, AL, & LA The cases I mentioned were all going one since before the Civil War. The paperwork continued to be generated for YEARS. The Choctaws who were left in Alabama lived around Mobile on public land. The citizens of Mobile petitioned the Mayor to get them moved away to the West. From 1832- 1860 correspondence was generated (letters were written for Choctaws by local officials) between agencies of federal government and these Choctaw (known as Mississippi Choctaw) seeking help. The government agents were defrauding the Choctaws out of their "scrip"; (scrip was certificate for land in Indian Territory Oklahoma) attorneys were involved saying they would take the Indians' cases for the scrip.(I have a chapter on this in my book.) The Cooper Roll, named for Douglas Cooper who took the Roll, was taken in 1855-56 in Al., MS & LA. Most names are phonetically spelled Choctaw names, arranged by clan names and location --for example: "Six Towns Clan," Jasper and Newton County, MS and Mobile, AL. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > --- Hmmmmm > This happened before the Dawes Enrollment late 1800s in MS....( mine were in > route to here in OK)...if the Weir thing was in 1940s -50s..not the same > incident......hhhmmm > > deana > ----- > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:20 AM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > In the Weir case people sent in $4 from all over the country, but the > > majority were from southern states--MS, AL, LA In the files I looked at > in > > Washington, there were only one or two letters from disgruntled/angry > people > > who had sent in money and got nothing in return-not even a letter > > acknowledging contribution. There is no list of names of people who sent > in > > money in this file. In this case, rumors have it that all Weir's personal > > records were stored in the basement of his daughter's house and she will > not > > talk about it. There are other cases (for example Choctaw Nation v. U. S. > > began in 1830s and was finally settled in 1881. MANY names are in it), > but > > this Weir case was done in the 1940-50s. Jackie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 7:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > I have printed a form for your book and am VERY excited in receiving it > ! > > > Also I appreciate you finding the first name of that lawyer..Was it done > > in > > > I.T. or MS ?...I cant tell from the interviews I have...They were pretty > > > scattered in coming here..( OK)... > > > again thanx ! > > > > > > deana > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:39 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > Judy's site has many of the choctaw Rolls. She may not have Attorney > > > Weir's > > > > name on it. At the moment, I cannot remember his first name. I will > > have > > > > to look it up, but it may take me a day or two to hunt for it as I am > > tied > > > u > > > > this week end. You can see They Say the Wind is Red at > > > > http://matte.accessgenealogy.com and at Amazon. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:26 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jackie... > > > > > > > > > > No I hadnt heard of it but where online might I look for info ? Ive > > > looked > > > > > at Judys site and didnt see anything on it. What was the guys first > > name > > > > > ?...Ill try looking that way... > > > > > > > > > > again MUCHO thanx !! > > > > > > > > > > deana > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 2:50 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes! you probably heard about the Attorney named Weir from MS who > > did > > > > > this. > > > > > > He accepted money from Choctaws and other Indians for several > years, > > > but > > > > > all > > > > > > his efforts led to nothing. He was sued for fraud. I went > through > > > his > > > > > case > > > > > > file at the National Archives. There is really nothing in it that > > you > > > > > can't > > > > > > get NOW from Internet. In the bibliography of my book "They Say > > the > > > > Wind > > > > > > is Red," I list all the Choctaw Court of Claims cases. A section > on > > > > > > Resources for Southeastern Indian Genealogical Research is > included. > > > > > > Check Judy White's website http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native > > for > > > > > > rolls. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, Jackie > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:00 PM > > > > > > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have interviews from several ancestors for the Dawse Roll who > > were > > > > > MCRs. > > > > > > They all were saying that they gave their paper work to a man who > > they > > > > > > thought was an atty., and he ended up being an imposter who wound > up > > > in > > > > > > prison. Has anyone else run across this or even heard of it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If true why would someone want their paperwork who wasnt ligit ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without > the > > > > quotes > > > > > > and spelled correctly. > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for > CHOCTAW > > > > > Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > To Unsubscribe: > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the > > quotes > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at > > > http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the > > list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the > list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes and spelled correctly. > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >