Well, Jackie I cant tell you exactly where they were because its vague...the interview was in 1901 and the all say" 6-8 years ago"...that they talked to this man and gave him "everything"..marriage licenses etc...and one uncle is real adament about there being a "P. Davis"a roll and hes ours....it was put in their files thing....when I was at the OK Historical Society they had no idea what roll he was talking about...but the commision said if he could prove that the "P.Davis" he way that the grandpa signed his name and he was ours theyd be admitted....I have NO idea what roll they are talking about. Ive had lookups on diffrent rolls and not seen a "P.Davis" ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > Your people may have been among the ones who were not removed West, but were > left to struggle on their own in MS, AL, & LA The cases I mentioned were > all going one since before the Civil War. The paperwork continued to be > generated for YEARS. The Choctaws who were left in Alabama lived around > Mobile on public land. The citizens of Mobile petitioned the Mayor to get > them moved away to the West. From 1832- 1860 correspondence was generated > (letters were written for Choctaws by local officials) between agencies of > federal government and these Choctaw (known as Mississippi Choctaw) seeking > help. The government agents were defrauding the Choctaws out of their > "scrip"; (scrip was certificate for land in Indian Territory Oklahoma) > attorneys were involved saying they would take the Indians' cases for the > scrip.(I have a chapter on this in my book.) The Cooper Roll, named for > Douglas Cooper who took the Roll, was taken in 1855-56 in Al., MS & LA. > Most names are phonetically spelled Choctaw names, arranged by clan names > and location --for example: "Six Towns Clan," Jasper and Newton County, MS > and Mobile, AL. Jackie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > --- Hmmmmm > > This happened before the Dawes Enrollment late 1800s in MS....( mine were > in > > route to here in OK)...if the Weir thing was in 1940s -50s..not the same > > incident......hhhmmm > > > > deana > > ----- > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > In the Weir case people sent in $4 from all over the country, but the > > > majority were from southern states--MS, AL, LA In the files I looked > at > > in > > > Washington, there were only one or two letters from disgruntled/angry > > people > > > who had sent in money and got nothing in return-not even a letter > > > acknowledging contribution. There is no list of names of people who > sent > > in > > > money in this file. In this case, rumors have it that all Weir's > personal > > > records were stored in the basement of his daughter's house and she will > > not > > > talk about it. There are other cases (for example Choctaw Nation v. U. > S. > > > began in 1830s and was finally settled in 1881. MANY names are in it), > > but > > > this Weir case was done in the 1940-50s. Jackie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 7:05 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > I have printed a form for your book and am VERY excited in receiving > it > > ! > > > > Also I appreciate you finding the first name of that lawyer..Was it > done > > > in > > > > I.T. or MS ?...I cant tell from the interviews I have...They were > pretty > > > > scattered in coming here..( OK)... > > > > again thanx ! > > > > > > > > deana > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:39 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy's site has many of the choctaw Rolls. She may not have > Attorney > > > > Weir's > > > > > name on it. At the moment, I cannot remember his first name. I > will > > > have > > > > > to look it up, but it may take me a day or two to hunt for it as I > am > > > tied > > > > u > > > > > this week end. You can see They Say the Wind is Red at > > > > > http://matte.accessgenealogy.com and at Amazon. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:26 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jackie... > > > > > > > > > > > > No I hadnt heard of it but where online might I look for info ? > Ive > > > > looked > > > > > > at Judys site and didnt see anything on it. What was the guys > first > > > name > > > > > > ?...Ill try looking that way... > > > > > > > > > > > > again MUCHO thanx !! > > > > > > > > > > > > deana > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 2:50 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes! you probably heard about the Attorney named Weir from MS > who > > > did > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > He accepted money from Choctaws and other Indians for several > > years, > > > > but > > > > > > all > > > > > > > his efforts led to nothing. He was sued for fraud. I went > > through > > > > his > > > > > > case > > > > > > > file at the National Archives. There is really nothing in it > that > > > you > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > get NOW from Internet. In the bibliography of my book "They > Say > > > the > > > > > Wind > > > > > > > is Red," I list all the Choctaw Court of Claims cases. A section > > on > > > > > > > Resources for Southeastern Indian Genealogical Research is > > included. > > > > > > > Check Judy White's website > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native > > > for > > > > > > > rolls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, Jackie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:00 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have interviews from several ancestors for the Dawse Roll > who > > > were > > > > > > MCRs. > > > > > > > They all were saying that they gave their paper work to a man > who > > > they > > > > > > > thought was an atty., and he ended up being an imposter who > wound > > up > > > > in > > > > > > > prison. Has anyone else run across this or even heard of it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If true why would someone want their paperwork who wasnt ligit > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without > > the > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > and spelled correctly. > > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at > > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for > > CHOCTAW > > > > > > Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the > > > quotes > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at > > > > http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to > the > > > list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the > > list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > and spelled correctly. > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking for ancestor's name? 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Deanna, the General Allotment Act (Dawes ACt) was passed in 1887. This is when the tribal lands in Oklahoma was broken up and sold by individual parcels. After it was passed a roll had to be taken. This took several years, well into the early 1900s. Lawyers, knowing about this Act, began looking for Indians to "Help" them get their papers in order to make their claims for land, for a percentage. The Choctaws left in the South, "Mississippi Chotaws" were to be registered--many were not. Testimony was taken for those who could get to the government agency's headquarters-- I believe one was in Meridian, MS. Miss. Choctaws had to prove they were "full-blood" in order to get on roll. I have copies of applications/testimony of "half-bloods" who were rejected even though their grandparents were identified as "full-bloods who did not remove." Evidently, more Choctaws registered than the government had counted on, so only full bloods were registered. Remember the government set up this blood quantum standard for registration purposes. Do you have his MCR (Miss. Choctaw Roll) number? If you have this number you can get a copy of his application/testimony. This process is explained in my book. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > Well, Jackie I cant tell you exactly where they were because its vague...the > interview was in 1901 and the all say" 6-8 years ago"...that they talked to > this man and gave him "everything"..marriage licenses etc...and one uncle is > real adament about there being a "P. Davis"a roll and hes ours....it was put > in their files thing....when I was at the OK Historical Society they had no > idea what roll he was talking about...but the commision said if he could > prove that the "P.Davis" he way that the grandpa signed his name and he was > ours theyd be admitted....I have NO idea what roll they are talking about. > Ive had lookups on diffrent rolls and not seen a "P.Davis" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 3:05 PM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > Your people may have been among the ones who were not removed West, but > were > > left to struggle on their own in MS, AL, & LA The cases I mentioned were > > all going one since before the Civil War. The paperwork continued to be > > generated for YEARS. The Choctaws who were left in Alabama lived around > > Mobile on public land. The citizens of Mobile petitioned the Mayor to get > > them moved away to the West. From 1832- 1860 correspondence was > generated > > (letters were written for Choctaws by local officials) between agencies of > > federal government and these Choctaw (known as Mississippi Choctaw) > seeking > > help. The government agents were defrauding the Choctaws out of their > > "scrip"; (scrip was certificate for land in Indian Territory Oklahoma) > > attorneys were involved saying they would take the Indians' cases for the > > scrip.(I have a chapter on this in my book.) The Cooper Roll, named for > > Douglas Cooper who took the Roll, was taken in 1855-56 in Al., MS & LA. > > Most names are phonetically spelled Choctaw names, arranged by clan names > > and location --for example: "Six Towns Clan," Jasper and Newton County, > MS > > and Mobile, AL. Jackie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 9:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > --- Hmmmmm > > > This happened before the Dawes Enrollment late 1800s in MS....( mine > were > > in > > > route to here in OK)...if the Weir thing was in 1940s -50s..not the same > > > incident......hhhmmm > > > > > > deana > > > ----- > > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:20 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > In the Weir case people sent in $4 from all over the country, but the > > > > majority were from southern states--MS, AL, LA In the files I looked > > at > > > in > > > > Washington, there were only one or two letters from disgruntled/angry > > > people > > > > who had sent in money and got nothing in return-not even a letter > > > > acknowledging contribution. There is no list of names of people who > > sent > > > in > > > > money in this file. In this case, rumors have it that all Weir's > > personal > > > > records were stored in the basement of his daughter's house and she > will > > > not > > > > talk about it. There are other cases (for example Choctaw Nation v. > U. > > S. > > > > began in 1830s and was finally settled in 1881. MANY names are in > it), > > > but > > > > this Weir case was done in the 1940-50s. Jackie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 7:05 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have printed a form for your book and am VERY excited in receiving > > it > > > ! > > > > > Also I appreciate you finding the first name of that lawyer..Was it > > done > > > > in > > > > > I.T. or MS ?...I cant tell from the interviews I have...They were > > pretty > > > > > scattered in coming here..( OK)... > > > > > again thanx ! > > > > > > > > > > deana > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:39 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy's site has many of the choctaw Rolls. She may not have > > Attorney > > > > > Weir's > > > > > > name on it. At the moment, I cannot remember his first name. I > > will > > > > have > > > > > > to look it up, but it may take me a day or two to hunt for it as I > > am > > > > tied > > > > > u > > > > > > this week end. You can see They Say the Wind is Red at > > > > > > http://matte.accessgenealogy.com and at Amazon. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:26 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jackie... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No I hadnt heard of it but where online might I look for info ? > > Ive > > > > > looked > > > > > > > at Judys site and didnt see anything on it. What was the guys > > first > > > > name > > > > > > > ?...Ill try looking that way... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again MUCHO thanx !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deana > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 2:50 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes! you probably heard about the Attorney named Weir from MS > > who > > > > did > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > He accepted money from Choctaws and other Indians for several > > > years, > > > > > but > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > his efforts led to nothing. He was sued for fraud. I went > > > through > > > > > his > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > file at the National Archives. There is really nothing in it > > that > > > > you > > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > get NOW from Internet. In the bibliography of my book "They > > Say > > > > the > > > > > > Wind > > > > > > > > is Red," I list all the Choctaw Court of Claims cases. A > section > > > on > > > > > > > > Resources for Southeastern Indian Genealogical Research is > > > included. > > > > > > > > Check Judy White's website > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native > > > > for > > > > > > > > rolls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, Jackie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:00 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have interviews from several ancestors for the Dawse Roll > > who > > > > were > > > > > > > MCRs. > > > > > > > > They all were saying that they gave their paper work to a man > > who > > > > they > > > > > > > > thought was an atty., and he ended up being an imposter who > > wound > > > up > > > > > in > > > > > > > > prison. Has anyone else run across this or even heard of it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If true why would someone want their paperwork who wasnt > ligit > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > > > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" > without > > > the > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > and spelled correctly. > > > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at > > > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for > > > CHOCTAW > > > > > > > Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without > the > > > > quotes > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at > > > > > http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, > articles, > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to > > the > > > > list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to > the > > > list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > and spelled correctly. > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking for ancestor's name? > Check our archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > >