typo, sorry ...that would be 'Potawotami' Indians who took Sarah and her mother. S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Susanna Noe To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:16 PM Subject: Dumas/ Noe/ Shipley connection All this about the Shipley's is intriguing to me as there is another connection here... In the Dumas MCR [ Scott S. Dumas et al] # 4006 enrollment application is 'Lula Thompson Noe et al' my husbands grandmother. Lula Thompson grandaughter of Keziah Brasher/Brashier whose mother is thought to be 1/2 Choctaw etc. re the Dumas information I am still looking into. Now here is the deal. Stay with me it's complicated... Lula Thompson married John W. Noe, his father was William Thomas Noe, g father Alexander Kell Noe ...who married Jane Berry Thompson . Jane Thompson is the daughter of Sarah SHIPLEY Mitchell Thompson and gdaughter of Naomi Shipley sister of Lucy Shipley Hanks.... who was the mother of Nancy Hanks and the g mother of Pres. Lincoln. Sarah Shipley Mitchell and mother Naomi Mitchell both had their own problems with Indians as well. Naomi was killed and Sarah was taken captive by the Potawami. She was later released to a Frenchman for a barrel of whiskey and a cow...or so that story goes and went back to the Berry Household of her aunt as her father died as well during that time. all were from the Washington Co., area of Kentucky. Crab Orchard etc. I just think this is interesting. Susanna