In a message dated 7/18/2002 11:45:11 PM Central Daylight Time, Tayawoman@aol.com writes: > Message Board Post: > > Pat, many people that intermarried with the Choctaw are listed on the cards > as "White Indians." This is because the Choctaws considered anyone white > that was not Choctaw. I hope this may help in your search. You really > should try to get ahold of a card to check this out. My gggrandfather, > William R. Matoy who was married to Mary A. Folsom and then my gggrandm. > Cora Belle Hesler, is one such person. He was full blooded Cherokee and > was denied enrollment w/ the Cherokees because his farm suposedly was just > over the boarder of Indian Territory in Kansas. But some say it was indeed > in I.T. Anyhow, "white Indian" is listed on his card. > Hope this is helpful. E me at my email if you have questions. > > Hello Tayawoman, does anyone know whether "white" Indians were all excluded from the final rolls or did some make it to the final rolls? Does anyone know the meaning of the word Hopia? I've asked this question before but have gotten no response. John Craven New Orleans

If you guys are interpreting the letters "IW" on the Dawes census cards as "White Indian", I'm afraid you are mistaken. It stands for "Intermarried-White". dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: <JohnnyMikeCraven@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Re: Tribal membership > In a message dated 7/18/2002 11:45:11 PM Central Daylight Time, > Tayawoman@aol.com writes: > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > Pat, many people that intermarried with the Choctaw are listed on the cards > > as "White Indians." This is because the Choctaws considered anyone white > > that was not Choctaw. I hope this may help in your search. You really > > should try to get ahold of a card to check this out. My gggrandfather, > > William R. Matoy who was married to Mary A. Folsom and then my gggrandm. > > Cora Belle Hesler, is one such person. He was full blooded Cherokee and > > was denied enrollment w/ the Cherokees because his farm suposedly was just > > over the boarder of Indian Territory in Kansas. But some say it was indeed > > in I.T. Anyhow, "white Indian" is listed on his card. > > Hope this is helpful. E me at my email if you have questions. > > > > > > Hello Tayawoman, > > does anyone know whether "white" Indians were all excluded from the > final rolls or did some make it to the final rolls? > > Does anyone know the meaning of the word Hopia? I've asked this > question before but have gotten no response. > > John Craven > New Orleans > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com >

There is no such indication on census dawes cards as " white Indian " it is intermarried White...but My ...my 3rd g grandfathers daughter, who was at least 1/2 Creek Indian lived with the Chickasaw for over 40 years and was listed on their rolls and treated as a Chickasaw.married a Chickasaw man.....he died....she then married a white man.......she was asked to be taken off the Creek Rolls ( her brother had applied for her Creek Dawes enrollment, and when she went to enroll as Chickasaw she found that out ) and placed on the Chickasaw roll because she wanted to keep the same land she had had for over 40 years.....they did what she asked but she is enrolled on dawes , on the Cickasaw rolls as an intermarried white... pat from florida ShiningWindStar Holoce Hotvle Kococumpv NATIVE AMERICAN HOME FIRES New members by acceptance only! www.yahoogroups.com/group/NativeAmericanHomeFires