I like this 'theory' much better than the one about our ancestors coming from Mongolia! Angelyn ---- [email protected] wrote: > There has always been speculation that, originally, our people came from > Mexico. If you will look at Aztec and Choctaw art, there are images that > are very similar. As an artist, I personally think there could be some > truth behind this legend. One of our creation legends says the first people > came "from the west". Coming from Mexico, crossing the Miss. River and into > the southeast would verify that claim. It's really anybody's guess and it > depends on which "expert" you consult. > > dusty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew Winlock" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 9:06 PM > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] choctaw origins > > > > I recently read a post on a site, stating:" Did you know that the origin > of the Choctaw was in the central american country now known as Belize and > that the Aztec kept Choctaws as slaves before they escaped north and > eastward." This was the first time I have heard anything even remotely close > to the comment. I was wondering if anyone else might have heard or read > anything like this? james > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW > Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the list. Write to me, the listowner, at [email protected] >

I tried the URL below and got "This page cannot be found". Angelyn ---- [email protected] wrote: > James, check out this map site to see where Indian Territory was in AR: > _http://www.tngenweb.org/cessions/ms-west/_ > (http://www.tngenweb.org/cessions/ms-west/) > > Fran Bolton > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking for ancestor's name? Check our archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST >

In the 1860 census, Ancestry lists some of Arkansas as "Indian Lands". April James Brown <[email protected]> wrote: was any part of arkansas or texas ever recognized as Indian Territory? Thanks James ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~impson/ for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, etc. --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

There has always been speculation that, originally, our people came from Mexico. If you will look at Aztec and Choctaw art, there are images that are very similar. As an artist, I personally think there could be some truth behind this legend. One of our creation legends says the first people came "from the west". Coming from Mexico, crossing the Miss. River and into the southeast would verify that claim. It's really anybody's guess and it depends on which "expert" you consult. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Winlock" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 9:06 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] choctaw origins > I recently read a post on a site, stating:" Did you know that the origin of the Choctaw was in the central american country now known as Belize and that the Aztec kept Choctaws as slaves before they escaped north and eastward." This was the first time I have heard anything even remotely close to the comment. I was wondering if anyone else might have heard or read anything like this? james > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. >

James, check out this map site to see where Indian Territory was in AR: _http://www.tngenweb.org/cessions/ms-west/_ (http://www.tngenweb.org/cessions/ms-west/) Fran Bolton

For rhe Message Board: I am searching for any information on record of William M. Stanton Choctaw Roll # 12456. I am looking for his parents, State they were from, and any information I can find. I did find his Civil War Military Record but they are very brief-He was with the Chickasaw Cavalry under Captain Edmund Pickens. After the war he married Sarah Anne Elizabeth Kirk in the Black Oak District in and around Sulphur Springs Arkansas/ Texas It was IT then. Thank you I hope you can help me fill in the blanks. Sincerely, Margaret at [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])

was any part of arkansas or texas ever recognized as Indian Territory? Thanks James

I recently read a post on a site, stating:" Did you know that the origin of the Choctaw was in the central american country now known as Belize and that the Aztec kept Choctaws as slaves before they escaped north and eastward." This was the first time I have heard anything even remotely close to the comment. I was wondering if anyone else might have heard or read anything like this? james

Could you tell me if there is information on the surname "Darneal"

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1375 Message Board Post: Do you have a Phelan T. Ballard or Misevicordia Havens from the Tombigbee area in the late 1700's?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1374 Message Board Post: I have the book Life and Times of the Original Choctaw Enrollees for sale on ebay. This is a nearly new book on the original Choctaw enrollees in Oklahoma. It has histories of the different families. In the back are choctaw documents and histories of some of the schools and famous people, such as Silon Lewis and the Last Choctaw Execution. It is hardbound and 408 pages long. If you want me to look for a surname, you can email me. The book is not indexed, it is in alphabetical order, so you may want to give me related names. The url is http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9523052816

I am looking for surnames,"Leflore's and Davis'.are any listed? [email protected] wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1374 Message Board Post: I have the book Life and Times of the Original Choctaw Enrollees for sale on ebay. This is a nearly new book on the original Choctaw enrollees in Oklahoma. It has histories of the different families. In the back are choctaw documents and histories of some of the schools and famous people, such as Silon Lewis and the Last Choctaw Execution. It is hardbound and 408 pages long. If you want me to look for a surname, you can email me. The book is not indexed, it is in alphabetical order, so you may want to give me related names. The url is http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9523052816 ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Need more CHOCTAW information. Try Judy White's NATIVE AMERICAN RESOURCE CENTER at http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, newsletters, lookups, articles, etc. --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1373 Message Board Post: I am a ggggrandson of Josiah Doak (J. Doak, J. Doke, etc.). I know that he and 5 members of his family were relocated to Indian Territory at Govt. expense, arriving 12-12-1832, that he's listed in the Armstrong Roll, he was a delegate to the convention that formed the Choctaw Constitution (in 1834?) and that he was active in the affairs of the tribe. Doaksville grew up around his store. Can you tell me anything else about him? His son and grandson's Dawes applications were rejected.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Park, Roop, Williams, Holland, Turner, Pope, Hale Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/1371.2.1 Message Board Post: This is great thank you

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/1371.2 Message Board Post: Penny, here is a site that has a map of the Cherokee and Choctaw lands in AL in 1818. Mississippi became a state in 1817, and the AL Territory was created at that time. AL then became a state in 1819, so you can see how a person born about 1820, somewhere in that area, could be said to have been born in any or all those names it was called during that time period. For map: http://members.aol.com/JORDANJM2/1818AL.html The link to that map page is found on the site, below, along with other interesting sites you may find useful for Native American research: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwnar/ Sincerely, Fran bolton

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: p Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/1371.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Thank you, a very good lead. We had almost given up on the Ball theory. Unable to produce any hard evidence of its trueth. This is definately is something to check into as to whether the tombstone actually says this or if this is info someone has put down, maybe we can located who and where they got it. Again Thanks, Penny

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Park, Roop, Williams, Holland, Turner, Pope, Hale Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/1371.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you, no I haven't I tried Rupp and Roop I will try that also. I to found her in 1880. Thank you, Penny

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Park, Ball Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/1371.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Penny, this link has info on Johanthan Park and wife Elizabeth Ball: http://www.arkansasfamilies.net/afcemjohnsonftdouglas.htm Fran

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roop, Rupe Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/1371.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Penny, have you also checked the spelling RUPE? My theory is "Leave no surname spelling unturned"! I found Elizabeth in 1880 in the home of a married daughter, and my other theory is "Leave no co-lateral line unturned" as a way to get back to the info you need. Happy surname turning! Fran Bolton

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Park, Roop, Williams, Holland, Turner, Pope, Hale Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/1371.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you, I have been talking to Jeanne and she has decided that the Ball information is incorrect.