This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1378.3 Message Board Post: I did not find your Ella Laura/Eller Lacey, however I have located her family on the rolls. Census Card # 4607 is the family of Christopher Chotaw: Roll # 12750 Choate, Christopher C. 45 yr male 1/4 Choctaw Roll # 12751 Choate, Lewis E. 10 yr male 1/8 Choctaw Roll # 12752 Choate, Jacob G. 6 yr male 1/8 Choctaw Roll # 12753 Armstrong, Joseph 15 yr male 1/4 Choctaw How the Armstrong boy is related I do not know, howveer, fromthe blood degree of Christoper ( 1/4) and his children inheriting half of his blood (making them 1/8) apparantly the mother was a white woman and carried no Indians blood. Hope this is helpful to you in your search.

Halito Kennard: I am really feeling great today. I'll probably be able to get to my records real soon. I believe that Charles was a preacher and built the Little Pidgeon Baptist church in Indiana. He married Abe Lincoln's sister in that same church. He also followed Lincoln to Sagamon Illinois. His sons followed Sam Houston to Texas and got involved in that mess out there. One them founded a town in Texas namedf Harper, Harpersville or something like that. I also believe that one of them became a Texas Ranger. What is your interest in Capt. Hopaichahabi. Is he a relative of ours? If so, in what manner? Imafo hopiah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Part of my family was involved in that fiasco. I do have a cousin in MS who actually managed to go to Weir's daughter's office and got her to print a page out of his ( Weir) ledger that has my ggggrandparents's names . And they being MS Choctaw. Then it had a small , I guess you might call it , genealogy tree with decendants names. He paid her $ 20 bucks and she made him leave.That was 1980 I believe, Id have to look at the paper as he made me copy and sent it to me. Ive talked to him within the past 3 months and hes said he's tried diffrent avenues to talk with any of the remaining Weirs lately, because they still have all that Choctaw ledgers , but he said theyre all so hateful and rude and just cringe when they see decendants coming thru their door !! ...I can imagine !!! Im just keeping my fingers crossed that we get those papers ! Can you imagine the rich HISTORY that would be there !!! Deana On 6/10/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > James: > > I believe you are referring to the infamous "Lawyer Weir" cases. Attorney > W. T. Weir in Philadelphia, Mississippi claimed to be able to get a group > of > descendants of Mississippi Choctaws enrolled as members of the tribe. He > was involved in other cases as well, among them the case involving the > Spindletop oil field mineral case and the heirs of Pelham Humphries. In a > nutshell, after collecting much information trying to 'prove' in court the > legitimacy of these Choctaws, no one was ever admitted. He charged a fee > in advance for his services and many descendants paid him. A couple of > years ago we had a discussion on these cases and here is one except from > that discussion. If you search our archives you can probably find the > other > listings. Try around May and June of 2003: > > My records show he signed documents "W.T. Weir". The records of the WEIR > actions can be found in RG 279, Docket #1790, 171, Box 1724, Entry 11UD > under "Records of the Pascagoula, Biloxi and Mobilian Consolidated > Indians". > The WEIR family has descendants still in the county. The last I heard (a > couple of years ago) a couple of daughters still hold many valuable > records > pertaining to these cases, but refuse to let anyone go through them. The > family is very sensitive regarding their ancestor's actions in the past > and > are hoping the day will come when descendants of those Choctaws he dealt > with will stop hounding them. His hand-written notes done in the various > meetings with the council of the PBM appear that he had good intentions of > making recovery for these people. They show that he was gathering > information on which families had been defrauded by the government. > The > librarians in Newton county have worked very hard to build a good > relationship with his descendants hoping that they will eventually turn > over > these important historical documents. > > dusty > List Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW > Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > > -- CHATA SIA

Could you please send me info on 'Yarke'. Thanks

Captain Hopaiachahabi is listed with 4 members in family, 2 males over 16 years, farm on "Chickasawhay River (at ferry), east side", 1,280 acres total, comments "provided for in supplement of 2d section. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kennard D. Henry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] 56 Real Indian Names Choctaw > Hi, > Could you send me any information you have > on Capt. Hopaiachahabi? Thank you very much. > Kennard > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: 03/20/2006 4:33 PM > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] 56 Real Indian Names Choctaw > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > Classification: Query > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1353 > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > This info comes from the Indian Farm Index’s some of these names are well > > known to History others are not. If you see a name you would like let me > > know. > > > > 1st. District Nitachachii > > > > 1. Tonole > > 2. Tanaphoma > > 3. Parnoshatubbee > > 4. Buffelon ( buffalo? ) > > 5. Eyetarmbe > > 6. Felecutchubbee > > 7. Kahlonchiabi > > 8. Akocharntubbe > > 9. Onarker > > 10. Parpenarhoma > > 11. Limo > > 12. Wakaiyahoyo-widow of Red Cedar > > 13. Ilawata > > 14. Oklatabi > > 15. Earthalean-A Woman > > 16. Kanimatabi > > 17. TapanachahabI > > 18. Yarke > > 19. Nashkobotoklo > > 20.Nocwataubbee > > 21. Shawano > > 22. Oxchanahacho > > 23. Red Squirrel > > 24. Heonchee > > 25. Nitachitto > > 26. Falamahoki-widow of Hoshillichi > > 27. Abitckanoo > > 28. Redman > > 29. Cherakee > > 30. Harmoklatubbee > > 31. Shekeppahoma > > 32. Ishtaya-A Woman > > 33. Capt. Hopaiachahabi > > 34. Achokmatabi > > 35. Pahoma > > 36. Tonabi > > 37. Wachinahomma > > 38. Onatabe > > 39. Albamahacho > > 40. Mingohoma > > 41. Koshahomma > > 42. Nokowachobi > > 43. Poshibonowa > > 44. Timahilabi > > 45. Atomabi > > 46. Elepachaha > > 47. Pashinahla > > 48. Papinishtonahoma > > 49. Hayakachobi > > 50. Nittakoni Widow of Chukkaishtonabi > > 51. Chambi > > 52. Imanoabi > > 53. Tikbahchobi > > 54. Koshohahoma > > 55. Olkkolechi > > 56. Tashihokabi > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHAHTA-L list discussions on history, culture, language. > > Send msg. to [email protected] > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes, > > nothing in the subject line, turn off signatures. > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

Yarke is listed on Armstrong as having 3 acres under cultivation, 10 members in family, 2 males over 16 years, 2 males and females under 10 years, farm located on Hossolawioskona Creek, listed "land poor, good water". dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:29 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] 56 Real Indian Names Choctaw > Could you please send me info on 'Yarke'. Thanks > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

Hi Richard, Yes Charles Harper is a brother of John Harper who married Mary Ann Harper. My gggggrand- mother Elizabeth Betsy Harper was a sister of John and Charles Harper. Thanks for answering and hang in there. Kennard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wilson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 06/09/2006 9:13 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Ford, Swaffard, etc. > Halito Kennard, > > Yakoke for the welcome. As soon as I am fully recooperated, I am > going to dig out my records and start postings. Hopefully we will find > further connections. Is your Charles Harper, the brother of John Harper, > who married Mary Ann Harper? If so, I believe a number of his sons went to > Texas with Sam Houston. I believe this is interesting, because there is > also a Cherokee tradition in my family and Sam Houston was adopted by the > Cherokee. > > > Imafo Hopiah > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the > list. Write to me, the listowner, at [email protected] > > >

Hi, Could you send me any information you have on Capt. Hopaiachahabi? Thank you very much. Kennard ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 03/20/2006 4:33 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] 56 Real Indian Names Choctaw > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1353 > > Message Board Post: > > This info comes from the Indian Farm Index’s some of these names are well > known to History others are not. If you see a name you would like let me > know. > > 1st. District Nitachachii > > 1. Tonole > 2. Tanaphoma > 3. Parnoshatubbee > 4. Buffelon ( buffalo? ) > 5. Eyetarmbe > 6. Felecutchubbee > 7. Kahlonchiabi > 8. Akocharntubbe > 9. Onarker > 10. Parpenarhoma > 11. Limo > 12. Wakaiyahoyo-widow of Red Cedar > 13. Ilawata > 14. Oklatabi > 15. Earthalean-A Woman > 16. Kanimatabi > 17. TapanachahabI > 18. Yarke > 19. Nashkobotoklo > 20.Nocwataubbee > 21. Shawano > 22. Oxchanahacho > 23. Red Squirrel > 24. Heonchee > 25. Nitachitto > 26. Falamahoki-widow of Hoshillichi > 27. Abitckanoo > 28. Redman > 29. Cherakee > 30. Harmoklatubbee > 31. Shekeppahoma > 32. Ishtaya-A Woman > 33. Capt. Hopaiachahabi > 34. Achokmatabi > 35. Pahoma > 36. Tonabi > 37. Wachinahomma > 38. Onatabe > 39. Albamahacho > 40. Mingohoma > 41. Koshahomma > 42. Nokowachobi > 43. Poshibonowa > 44. Timahilabi > 45. Atomabi > 46. Elepachaha > 47. Pashinahla > 48. Papinishtonahoma > 49. Hayakachobi > 50. Nittakoni Widow of Chukkaishtonabi > 51. Chambi > 52. Imanoabi > 53. Tikbahchobi > 54. Koshohahoma > 55. Olkkolechi > 56. Tashihokabi > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHAHTA-L list discussions on history, culture, language. > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes, > nothing in the subject line, turn off signatures. > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > >

James: I believe you are referring to the infamous "Lawyer Weir" cases. Attorney W. T. Weir in Philadelphia, Mississippi claimed to be able to get a group of descendants of Mississippi Choctaws enrolled as members of the tribe. He was involved in other cases as well, among them the case involving the Spindletop oil field mineral case and the heirs of Pelham Humphries. In a nutshell, after collecting much information trying to 'prove' in court the legitimacy of these Choctaws, no one was ever admitted. He charged a fee in advance for his services and many descendants paid him. A couple of years ago we had a discussion on these cases and here is one except from that discussion. If you search our archives you can probably find the other listings. Try around May and June of 2003: My records show he signed documents "W.T. Weir". The records of the WEIR actions can be found in RG 279, Docket #1790, 171, Box 1724, Entry 11UD under "Records of the Pascagoula, Biloxi and Mobilian Consolidated Indians". The WEIR family has descendants still in the county. The last I heard (a couple of years ago) a couple of daughters still hold many valuable records pertaining to these cases, but refuse to let anyone go through them. The family is very sensitive regarding their ancestor's actions in the past and are hoping the day will come when descendants of those Choctaws he dealt with will stop hounding them. His hand-written notes done in the various meetings with the council of the PBM appear that he had good intentions of making recovery for these people. They show that he was gathering information on which families had been defrauded by the government. The librarians in Newton county have worked very hard to build a good relationship with his descendants hoping that they will eventually turn over these important historical documents. dusty List Admin.

I hope someone might comment on this. I have heard references in conversation and discussions while I was in Louisiana and Mississippi about in the past ( probably the early 1900s) about people claiming there ancestry had been denied them and/or taken from them as far as the federal government recognizes those it certifies as a member of a federally recognized tribe.Ane some of these people filed lawsuits , I think in state courts, maybe it was federal courts to have them declared as a member of the tribe they laid claim to. But it seems that from what I have heard no ne was ever declared by the courts as a member of that tribe. can anyone comment on what I might have been hearing as i have described. Did this also happen in Oklahoma? thanks james Brown

Halito Kennard, Yakoke for the welcome. As soon as I am fully recooperated, I am going to dig out my records and start postings. Hopefully we will find further connections. Is your Charles Harper, the brother of John Harper, who married Mary Ann Harper? If so, I believe a number of his sons went to Texas with Sam Houston. I believe this is interesting, because there is also a Cherokee tradition in my family and Sam Houston was adopted by the Cherokee. Imafo Hopiah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I don't find any listings for RAWLS on the Final Roll of 1902-1914. Could there be another spelling? dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:25 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Penn RAWLS, born Feb. 14, 1847-d. July 2, 1917 > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: SWAFFAR [SWAFFORD], RAWLS, FORD, COLE, HOGAN, WILSON, ROBINS, LOGAN > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1379 > > Message Board Post: > > I was born at Ada, Oklahoma 30 Aug, 1941 and grew up in and around south central Oklahoma. Choctaw being my first language. I am interested in clarifying my family history. I am a graduate Historian from OSU. Searching for my family history is my goal since retiring. > Searching for information on Penn RAWLS, married to Nannie RAWLS. Choctaw Tribal roll #'s, etc. They are buried in Balls Chapel Cemetary, Atoka County, Oklahoma. Their daughter Anna Itaska [RAWLS] SWAFFAR, age 18 married George Newton SWAFFAR, age 26, according to the Choctaw Nation Marriage Records for 1890-1907. They were married 13 Nov 1904, at Lehigh, Atoka County, IT. > > They drew alloted land in the CHoctaw Nation. > > George Newton SWAFFAR was my grandfathers brother, James Monroe SWAFFAR, who was forst married to a Cherokee named Agness Anna Mae FORD. He then married a 1/2 blood Choctaw named Iva Evelyn ANDERSON, daughter of James Hamilton ANDERSON. > > Cousin Loren(COLE)WESTON, (Choctaw roll#7381), and her brothers Eual COLE, and Arthur Neil COLE. Also seek information on the COLE's. > > Would appreciate any information that anyone may be able to provide. > > Jimmie Lee Robins, US Army [retired] > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at [email protected] >

Hi Richard, I am glad to see that you are back on line. Sorry to hear about your medical problem. Hope every- thing is getting better. I read many of your messages on the internet when you were searching for info on Harper's. That is my line also. It rans like this: George Harper & a full blood Choctaw woman. Elizabeth Betsy Harper & John Knight. Elizabeth Betsy Knight & Joseph H. Davis. Lavinia Davis & James Wentworth. Joseph A. Wentworth & Annie Davis. Mary Alice Wentworth & Elmer Handlon. Pansy C. Handlon & Clifford Henry. Kennard Henry that's me. I know you were doing ok on the McNabb line. Glad again that you are back on line. Keep hunting and don't give up the faith. Kennard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wilson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 06/07/2006 12:00 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Ford, Swaffard,etc. >I am knew to the list. I used to do a lot of genealogy and history on line, >but my computer crashed and my son was supposed to fix it and never did. I >also have been in very poor health lately, almost lost a kidney plus other >things. I recently purchased another computer but I lost about 10 years of >data, although I do have hard copies of some things. > I do have a Ford male who married a McNabb female, who was Choctaw. > This all would have occurred in the latter part of the 19th century. they > would have been my great aunt and uncle. my filse are locked away and > stored at this time, but I will be getting them out of storage in the next > couple of weeks and will provide more specifics at that time. I have one > more kidney surgery to go through tomorrow and still can't lift anything. > I should be able to lift again some time in the next couple of weeks and > will reorganize my files and provide more specifics on this couple. Do you > have any idea if there is a relationship. The Mcnabb female was originally > from Kentucky but moved somewhere west after marriage, if my memory is > correct. > > > > > Imafo Hopiah > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW > Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > > >

I am knew to the list. I used to do a lot of genealogy and history on line, but my computer crashed and my son was supposed to fix it and never did. I also have been in very poor health lately, almost lost a kidney plus other things. I recently purchased another computer but I lost about 10 years of data, although I do have hard copies of some things. I do have a Ford male who married a McNabb female, who was Choctaw. This all would have occurred in the latter part of the 19th century. they would have been my great aunt and uncle. my filse are locked away and stored at this time, but I will be getting them out of storage in the next couple of weeks and will provide more specifics at that time. I have one more kidney surgery to go through tomorrow and still can't lift anything. I should be able to lift again some time in the next couple of weeks and will reorganize my files and provide more specifics on this couple. Do you have any idea if there is a relationship. The Mcnabb female was originally from Kentucky but moved somewhere west after marriage, if my memory is correct. Imafo Hopiah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SWAFFAR [SWAFFORD], RAWLS, FORD, HOGAN, WILSON, ROBINS, LOGAN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1379.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Fran Okay, thanks. I got the records - thanks agian. Jimmie Lee Robins, US Army [retired]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1379.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Jim, I don't know anything about the land allotments. I basically have access to Federal census records. That might be a question to post on the Choctaw Mailing List. Fran Bolton

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/524.638.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I am looking for information on Joseph (Joe) Berry Glenn. He is my great grandpa. I don't know anything about him or any of his decendents. Can you help?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SWAFFAR [SWAFFORD], RAWLS, FORD, HOGAN, WILSON, ROBINS, LOGAN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1379.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Fran Thank you, perhaps you are correct. You can find my foot print on most query boards the world over. Yes I would like to have copies of the 1900 Atoka, 1910 Atoka Counties census. 1920 Bryan County census. Names: Swaffar/Swaffor/Swafford, Rawles, ets. Jimmie Lee Robins, US Army [retired]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SWAFFAR [SWAFFORD], RAWLS, FORD, HOGAN, WILSON, ROBINS, LOGAN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1379.2.1 Message Board Post: Fran Question: My cousin, Gwen Walker Curator of the Choctaw Confederate Museum in Atoka. Wrote to me about a Choctaw land allotment being drawn by my g-grandfather and George N. and Itaska. Gwen's grandmother was my grandfathers sister. Do you know anything about this? Jimmie Lee Robins, US Army [retired]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Rawls Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1379.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Jim, we do not know each other, but you may have seen my name on the Choctaw mailing list/message board, as I frequently volunteer to do Federal census look-ups for those who are looking for info on ancestors. I will be happy to send you, by private email, copies of the census I mentioned in my earlier post, if you tell me which years/names you would like to see. Fran Bolton