Re: I'm confused about ( Choctaw ) census cards. Can there be ( 2) two seperate census cards with the number 174. if one was a minor 4/4 Choctaw BB and the other was an adult BB 1/8 degree? thanks James

Hi James, Is this (below) what you are talking about? If so, then there aren't two separate numbers, just the one. The Pitchlynn would be the father of Rhoda Howell. If this isn't what you are talking about can you be more specific? April Dawes Final Rolls Results Total Records: 2 Tribe Last First Middle Age Sex Blood Card Roll Misc Type Choctaw Howell Rhoda 86 F 1/8 174 342 DAVIS BB Choctaw Pitchlynn 0 M 174 P Prev [1] Next James Brown <[email protected]> wrote: Re: I'm confused about ( Choctaw ) census cards. Can there be ( 2) two seperate census cards with the number 174. if one was a minor 4/4 Choctaw BB and the other was an adult BB 1/8 degree? thanks James ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the list. Write to me, the listowner, at [email protected] --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

The Census card refers to everyone who was related and went in at the same time to register. My grandmother has the same census # as her cousins, because they went in as a family. Her father and mother have the same # but her brothers were of legal age and married and when they went in to Register they got seperate Census card # as did their parentsagain. So if you put in my grandmothers Census Card # it will bring up all that were registered with her. If you put in her brothers Census Card # it will bring up who was registered with him. Sure would have made it easier to understand if the whole family had gone in together to Register. It gives the degree of blood and relationship also. I hope I have not confused you. James Brown <[email protected]> wrote: Re: I'm confused about ( Choctaw ) census cards. Can there be ( 2) two seperate census cards with the number 174. if one was a minor 4/4 Choctaw BB and the other was an adult BB 1/8 degree? thanks James ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the list. Write to me, the listowner, at [email protected] --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

James, I have found this as well. The census was taken in 1896, but many of the application were later. In most of my own cases I can determine the birthdate by entering the year as 1899. That is your three year span. On many of the original census cards, the birthdate was recorded on the card and then to the side is an age update of ususally three years. Hope this helps, April "Tammy J." <[email protected]> wrote: This is the way my family census card is. I have a copy of the card. I believe that the first age was taken from the 1896 census then update later on. -----Original Message----- From: James Brown [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Can someone answer this for me? In the databases for assessgenealogy ( Final Rolls Database ) and rootsweb (Native American Data ) ...for (example )" Choctaw" Phillip McCann" Census Card # 2794 shows the same information from the Dawes Enrollment Cards, listing his age as 24. On the CD, that I have, NATIVE AMERICAN COLLECTION, from Oklahoma Historical Society, shows the same information , except it lists his age as 27.Why is there a 3 year difference in age, if the information for Phillip McCann was obtained from the same source. Also, is there an approximate date/time period from when this age was recorded on enrollment cards that I work with to calculate date of birth. I know the only exact way , probably would be to obtain the photocopy of the census card . Any assistance is appreciated. James ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at [email protected] ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe: Send msg. to [email protected] Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.

In a message dated 6/20/2006 11:45:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: No....I mean there's two Line Creek churches and cemeteries in Louisiana?? Two Line Creeks... How confusing! dusty The one I found borders MS and Lake Ponchatrain in LA. The one you found is in Caddo Parish, the upper NW corner of LA, so perhaps they were far enough apart that each didn't know about the other, or that it didn't cause confusion in those times. Or perhaps Line Creek was very LONG, and meandered through both counties! A plus to family history...we get a geography lesson also! Fran Bolton

No....I mean there's two Line Creek churches and cemeteries in Louisiana?? Two Line Creeks... How confusing! dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Raborn, Moore, Lea > No, this doesn't mean there are 2 Dustys. :-) > It means I clicked on reply, to the last message in the thread, which was > SENT by Dusty, in reference to Benjamin Lattimore Lea question. > I signed my name at the bottom of the reply. > Fran Bolton > PS, Don't always understand the whys and wherefores of these computers, such > as this message board always repeats a URL even though it is typed only > once. > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking for ancestor's name? Check our archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST >

No, this doesn't mean there are 2 Dustys. :-) It means I clicked on reply, to the last message in the thread, which was SENT by Dusty, in reference to Benjamin Lattimore Lea question. I signed my name at the bottom of the reply. Fran Bolton PS, Don't always understand the whys and wherefores of these computers, such as this message board always repeats a URL even though it is typed only once.

Geeeez...you mean there's two?? dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Raborn, Moore, Lea > > In a message dated 6/20/2006 10:16:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Benjamin Lattimore Lea > > > I found Line Creek Cemetery, in Tangipahoa Parish, Louisiana, with these > surnames: > Samantha M. Lea > January 14, 1819 - June 18, 1890 > > Rev. B. L. Lea > February 5, 1820 - April 11, 1890 > MASON > > B. M. Lea, Sr. > 1877 - 1954 > > Samantha A. Lea Raborn > Wife of A. L. Raborn > June 22, 1875 - October 1, 1908 > > > You can see the cemetery list at > _http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/la/tangipahoa/cemeteries/linecrek.txt_ > (http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/la/tangipahoa/cemeteries/linecrek.txt) > I hope this will help you find the documentation you need, > Fran Bolton > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Markie and Fay's Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm >

Jason, if you go to Rootsweb WORLD CONNECT Project, at _http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/_ (http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/) you can type in your research subject's name, and view family trees that contain that name. The contributor of the tree provides his email address. One contributor is named Wall, a descendant of Benjamin Lea and Mary Raborn. Wall is a well known Choctaw surname, so this may be a person to compare family info with, bu contacting him at his email address that is provided. Fran Bolton RE: Mary Gabraelin Raborn DOB: December 05, 1856 Death: October 25, 1932 (Locations Unknown) Spouse: Benjamin Thomas Lea Samantha Angeline Moore Born: Bef 1827, Louisiana Marriage: Benjamin Lattimore Lea 25 Dec 1840, Louisiana Died: After 1850, Line Creek In Louisiana

This site will show the location of each gravesite at Line Creek Cemetery: _http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/la/tangipahoa/cemeteries/lcreek.txt_ (http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/la/tangipahoa/cemeteries/lcreek.txt) Fran Bolton

Further info on the Line Creek Cemetery. Tangipahoa Parish, Louisiana: Benjamin Thomas Lea donated 5 acres for the building of a church (Line Creek Baptist Church) and 5 acres for the cemetery. Both he and his wife, Mary Grabraelin Raborn (listed as Mary G. Lea above) , are buried there along with many of his descendants. Mr. Lea was the great grandfather of Jimmy Wall, who provided this information about the cemetery. The Line Creek Baptist Church is in charge of maintaining the cemetery Fran Bolton

In a message dated 6/20/2006 10:16:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Benjamin Lattimore Lea I found Line Creek Cemetery, in Tangipahoa Parish, Louisiana, with these surnames: Samantha M. Lea January 14, 1819 - June 18, 1890 Rev. B. L. Lea February 5, 1820 - April 11, 1890 MASON B. M. Lea, Sr. 1877 - 1954 Samantha A. Lea Raborn Wife of A. L. Raborn June 22, 1875 - October 1, 1908 You can see the cemetery list at _http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/la/tangipahoa/cemeteries/linecrek.txt_ (http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/la/tangipahoa/cemeteries/linecrek.txt) I hope this will help you find the documentation you need, Fran Bolton

Line Creek Church and cemetary is located in northern Caddo Parish, La. on Hwy. 168 between Ida and Rodessa, La. I checked the burials at the cemetery and don't see any Lea, Moore or Raborn listed. There are some unmarked graves there. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Guidry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:12 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Need help with Choctaw ancestry > Hello, everyone! My name is Jason and I'm in need of some help in verifying > my wife's Choctaw ancestry. My wife and I are adoptive parents with two > beautiful adopted children. We are currently dealing with a pregnancy > outreach ministry that has a great need for adoptive parents with at least > one parent having a Native-American roll card. They told us that all she > needed was documentable blood to trace back to and she would be eligible > for a roll card, thus making us eligible as adoptive parents to children of > Native-American descent. We are told by my wife's Grandmother that Andrea's > (my wife) G-G-Great Grandmother, Mary Gabraelin Raborn, was full-blooded > Choctaw. I have also found that Mary's mother-in-law, Samantha Angeline > Moore, was possibly a full-blooded Choctaw Indian Doctor, thus giving us > two blood lines that might be documentable. If anyone could help us locate > any of my wife's ancestors on a roll card...we would greatly appreciate > it!!! > > Thanks & God Bless!!! - Jason > > Mary Gabraelin Raborn > DOB: December 05, 1856 > Death: October 25, 1932 (Locations Unknown) > Spouse: Benjamin Thomas Lea > > > Samantha Angeline Moore > > Born: Bef 1827, Louisiana > Marriage: Benjamin Lattimore Lea 25 Dec 1840, Louisiana > Died: After 1850, Line Creek In Louisiana > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the list. Write to me, the listowner, at [email protected] >

Thank you so much for the information. My wife's Grandmother says that she has several others family member names that were said to be Choctaw...so I'll gather all the info that she has and I'll contact the Choctaw Tribal Office. Thanks again!! Jason grey wolf <[email protected] oo.com> To [email protected] 06/20/2006 10:05 cc AM Subject Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Need help with Please respond to Choctaw ancestry CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST [email protected] Hello, all you have to do is call the Choctaw Tribal Office in Durant Oklahoma . 1-580-920-8280 and ask for the enrollment Dept. BUT... there has to be an original enrollee. for anyone in the family to get a roll number. SO if your wife has a member of her family that was enrolled before 1907, then she can also obtain the roll number for herself. When you get connected to the enrollment dept. you have to give the name of the person who you think is Choctaw. It will take them a couple of minutes and they can give you the number, and they will also send you the forms to fill out for your wife to be come registered. I might add if your wife's Ancestors are Choctaw but never registered with the Choctaw Nation whether it be in Oklahoma or Mississippi Choctaw she will hot be able to obtain a roll number. Hope this helps, and good luck. Jason Guidry <[email protected]> wrote: Hello, everyone! My name is Jason and I'm in need of some help in verifying my wife's Choctaw ancestry. My wife and I are adoptive parents with two beautiful adopted children. We are currently dealing with a pregnancy outreach ministry that has a great need for adoptive parents with at least one parent having a Native-American roll card. They told us that all she needed was documentable blood to trace back to and she would be eligible for a roll card, thus making us eligible as adoptive parents to children of Native-American descent. We are told by my wife's Grandmother that Andrea's (my wife) G-G-Great Grandmother, Mary Gabraelin Raborn, was full-blooded Choctaw. I have also found that Mary's mother-in-law, Samantha Angeline Moore, was possibly a full-blooded Choctaw Indian Doctor, thus giving us two blood lines that might be documentable. If anyone could help us locate any of my wife's ancestors on a roll card...we would greatly appreciate it!!! Thanks & God Bless!!! - Jason Mary Gabraelin Raborn DOB: December 05, 1856 Death: October 25, 1932 (Locations Unknown) Spouse: Benjamin Thomas Lea Samantha Angeline Moore Born: Bef 1827, Louisiana Marriage: Benjamin Lattimore Lea 25 Dec 1840, Louisiana Died: After 1850, Line Creek In Louisiana ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the list. Write to me, the listowner, at [email protected] --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at [email protected]

Hello, all you have to do is call the Choctaw Tribal Office in Durant Oklahoma . 1-580-920-8280 and ask for the enrollment Dept. BUT... there has to be an original enrollee. for anyone in the family to get a roll number. SO if your wife has a member of her family that was enrolled before 1907, then she can also obtain the roll number for herself. When you get connected to the enrollment dept. you have to give the name of the person who you think is Choctaw. It will take them a couple of minutes and they can give you the number, and they will also send you the forms to fill out for your wife to be come registered. I might add if your wife's Ancestors are Choctaw but never registered with the Choctaw Nation whether it be in Oklahoma or Mississippi Choctaw she will hot be able to obtain a roll number. Hope this helps, and good luck. Jason Guidry <[email protected]> wrote: Hello, everyone! My name is Jason and I'm in need of some help in verifying my wife's Choctaw ancestry. My wife and I are adoptive parents with two beautiful adopted children. We are currently dealing with a pregnancy outreach ministry that has a great need for adoptive parents with at least one parent having a Native-American roll card. They told us that all she needed was documentable blood to trace back to and she would be eligible for a roll card, thus making us eligible as adoptive parents to children of Native-American descent. We are told by my wife's Grandmother that Andrea's (my wife) G-G-Great Grandmother, Mary Gabraelin Raborn, was full-blooded Choctaw. I have also found that Mary's mother-in-law, Samantha Angeline Moore, was possibly a full-blooded Choctaw Indian Doctor, thus giving us two blood lines that might be documentable. If anyone could help us locate any of my wife's ancestors on a roll card...we would greatly appreciate it!!! Thanks & God Bless!!! - Jason Mary Gabraelin Raborn DOB: December 05, 1856 Death: October 25, 1932 (Locations Unknown) Spouse: Benjamin Thomas Lea Samantha Angeline Moore Born: Bef 1827, Louisiana Marriage: Benjamin Lattimore Lea 25 Dec 1840, Louisiana Died: After 1850, Line Creek In Louisiana ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the list. Write to me, the listowner, at [email protected] --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

Hello, everyone! My name is Jason and I'm in need of some help in verifying my wife's Choctaw ancestry. My wife and I are adoptive parents with two beautiful adopted children. We are currently dealing with a pregnancy outreach ministry that has a great need for adoptive parents with at least one parent having a Native-American roll card. They told us that all she needed was documentable blood to trace back to and she would be eligible for a roll card, thus making us eligible as adoptive parents to children of Native-American descent. We are told by my wife's Grandmother that Andrea's (my wife) G-G-Great Grandmother, Mary Gabraelin Raborn, was full-blooded Choctaw. I have also found that Mary's mother-in-law, Samantha Angeline Moore, was possibly a full-blooded Choctaw Indian Doctor, thus giving us two blood lines that might be documentable. If anyone could help us locate any of my wife's ancestors on a roll card...we would greatly appreciate it!!! Thanks & God Bless!!! - Jason Mary Gabraelin Raborn DOB: December 05, 1856 Death: October 25, 1932 (Locations Unknown) Spouse: Benjamin Thomas Lea Samantha Angeline Moore Born: Bef 1827, Louisiana Marriage: Benjamin Lattimore Lea 25 Dec 1840, Louisiana Died: After 1850, Line Creek In Louisiana

I haven't seen the records you cite, but it's possible that the database you are looking at is the date of the original application and the age on the CD is the age he would have been when the roll was actually compiled and published. Choctaw by Blood ages on the CD are calculated as of September 25, 1902. Applications were started in 1896 and the enrollment process went until about 1914. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:43 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] > Can someone answer this for me? In the databases for assessgenealogy ( Final Rolls Database ) and rootsweb (Native American Data ) ...for (example )" Choctaw" Phillip McCann" Census Card # 2794 shows the same information from the Dawes Enrollment Cards, listing his age as 24. On the CD, that I have, NATIVE AMERICAN COLLECTION, from Oklahoma Historical Society, shows the same information , except it lists his age as 27.Why is there a 3 year difference in age, if the information for Phillip McCann was obtained from the same source. Also, is there an approximate date/time period from when this age was recorded on enrollment cards that I work with to calculate date of birth. I know the only exact way , probably would be to obtain the photocopy of the census card . Any assistance is appreciated. James > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at [email protected] >

James, I know this is not the answer to your question exactly, but I found Phillip McCann and wife Jennie on the 1900 census, Indian Population Schedule. He is listed as being born in 1875, his age is given as 25. I can email you a copy of that census page if you would like. I did not find him in OK in 1910. Fran Bolton. In a message dated 6/19/2006 6:44:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Can someone answer this for me? In the databases for assessgenealogy ( Final Rolls Database ) and rootsweb (Native American Data ) ...for (example )" Choctaw" Phillip McCann" Census Card # 2794 shows the same information from the Dawes Enrollment Cards, listing his age as 24. On the CD, that I have, NATIVE AMERICAN COLLECTION, from Oklahoma Historical Society, shows the same information , except it lists his age as 27.Why is there a 3 year difference in age, if the information for Phillip McCann was obtained from the same source. Also, is there an approximate date/time period from when this age was recorded on enrollment cards that I work with to calculate date of birth. I know the only exact way , probably would be to obtain the photocopy of the census card . Any assistance is appreciated. James

This is the way my family census card is. I have a copy of the card. I believe that the first age was taken from the 1896 census then update later on. -----Original Message----- From: James Brown [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Can someone answer this for me? In the databases for assessgenealogy ( Final Rolls Database ) and rootsweb (Native American Data ) ...for (example )" Choctaw" Phillip McCann" Census Card # 2794 shows the same information from the Dawes Enrollment Cards, listing his age as 24. On the CD, that I have, NATIVE AMERICAN COLLECTION, from Oklahoma Historical Society, shows the same information , except it lists his age as 27.Why is there a 3 year difference in age, if the information for Phillip McCann was obtained from the same source. Also, is there an approximate date/time period from when this age was recorded on enrollment cards that I work with to calculate date of birth. I know the only exact way , probably would be to obtain the photocopy of the census card . Any assistance is appreciated. James ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at [email protected]

Can someone answer this for me? In the databases for assessgenealogy ( Final Rolls Database ) and rootsweb (Native American Data ) ...for (example )" Choctaw" Phillip McCann" Census Card # 2794 shows the same information from the Dawes Enrollment Cards, listing his age as 24. On the CD, that I have, NATIVE AMERICAN COLLECTION, from Oklahoma Historical Society, shows the same information , except it lists his age as 27.Why is there a 3 year difference in age, if the information for Phillip McCann was obtained from the same source. Also, is there an approximate date/time period from when this age was recorded on enrollment cards that I work with to calculate date of birth. I know the only exact way , probably would be to obtain the photocopy of the census card . Any assistance is appreciated. James