This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/232.245.486.2 Message Board Post: donald glad to meet you. my grandmother (oda viola pebsworth,daughter of james lee pebsworth) was dots half sister. dot died in longveiw texas around 2000. my grand mother oda died about the same time in mcalester okla. [email protected]

Lost his objectivity because he sided with the Indians! But what if the Indians are right! They (the government ) were destroying records and everything! This is crazy! I would like to see a copy of the article as well. I apologize for my excitement, but I followed that case quite closely for some time and I was quite disturbed by the actions of the government. Thanks for the info. Imafo [email protected] wrote: I'm not sure what's going on with the BLM site nowadays, with the present court battle. I know it was shut down completely for a while, but is now back open. I got a notice a few days ago that Judge Royce Lamberth has been replaced because, as the panel of judges for the Court of Appeals of the District of Columbia Circuit found, he had "lost his objectivity" when he sided with the Indians and found Interior Secretaries Gale Norton and Bruce Babbitt in contempt of court for their handling of the case. This has drug out for the last ten years and may take many more. If anyone wants to read the whole articles, write to me and I'll send you copies. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Land Script > I have been told that no land that involves Indian land script can be shown on the BLM website. Does anyone know if the land is on the website but it just does not mention the fact that it was Indian land script? > > Thank you > Cyndi > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at [email protected] > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the list. Write to me, the listowner, at [email protected] --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

Dusty i would like to read those articles in their entirety if you would send to me. Thanks...James ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 10:22 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Land Script > I'm not sure what's going on with the BLM site nowadays, with the present > court battle. I know it was shut down completely for a while, but is now > back open. I got a notice a few days ago that Judge Royce Lamberth has > been > replaced because, as the panel of judges for the Court of Appeals of the > District of Columbia Circuit found, he had "lost his objectivity" when he > sided with the Indians and found Interior Secretaries Gale Norton and > Bruce > Babbitt in contempt of court for their handling of the case. This has > drug > out for the last ten years and may take many more. > > If anyone wants to read the whole articles, write to me and I'll send you > copies. > > dusty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 9:18 AM > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Land Script > > >> I have been told that no land that involves Indian land script can be > shown on the BLM website. Does anyone know if the land is on the website > but > it just does not mention the fact that it was Indian land script? >> >> Thank you >> Cyndi >> >> >> ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== >> Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the > list...write to me at [email protected] >> > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the > list. Write to me, the listowner, at [email protected] > >

I'm not sure what's going on with the BLM site nowadays, with the present court battle. I know it was shut down completely for a while, but is now back open. I got a notice a few days ago that Judge Royce Lamberth has been replaced because, as the panel of judges for the Court of Appeals of the District of Columbia Circuit found, he had "lost his objectivity" when he sided with the Indians and found Interior Secretaries Gale Norton and Bruce Babbitt in contempt of court for their handling of the case. This has drug out for the last ten years and may take many more. If anyone wants to read the whole articles, write to me and I'll send you copies. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Land Script > I have been told that no land that involves Indian land script can be shown on the BLM website. Does anyone know if the land is on the website but it just does not mention the fact that it was Indian land script? > > Thank you > Cyndi > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at [email protected] >

These new postings on Judy White's pages: http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native We have added 2 new Indian books to our collection this week. Sign Language Among North American Indians Compared with that Among Other Peoples and Deaf-Mutes http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/signlanguage.htm Personal Memoirs of a Residence of Thirty Years with the Indian Tribes on the American Frontiers http://www.nanations.com/personal-memoirs.htm This is by Henry Schoolcraft. We have the first 36 chapters online and should finish this next week. We updated Massasoit of the Wampanoags http://www.nanations.com/massasoit/ a great deal of history on the Improved Order of the Red Man of Massachusetts Thanks Judy

Please be aware that the Vital Records Dept. in Oklahoma City - will assume Tulsa is the same since it is a state office - charges for death certificates, birth certificates, etc., whether they find them or not. I used to be able to order the certificates by mail: however, 3-4 years ago, they started requiring an enlarged photo I.D.....forget what else. I paid for a death certificate for my husband's grandfather who died in 1909: no certificate, but I did get charged for looking it up! Angelyn ---- [email protected] wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1382.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Carol, below is a website address in refernce of a death certificate. > > Vital Records Service ... > www.health.state.ok.us/program/vital/brec.html > > I hope this will help. Also, you can visit the Vital Records Service in Oklahoma City or Tulsa, OK to obtain it that very day. > > I had a problem finding my great grandparents death certificate because they had died before 1907 & the death certificates were not isssued before that time. > > Good luck, > > Jean > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1382.1 Message Board Post: Carol, below is a website address in refernce of a death certificate. Vital Records Service ... www.health.state.ok.us/program/vital/brec.html I hope this will help. Also, you can visit the Vital Records Service in Oklahoma City or Tulsa, OK to obtain it that very day. I had a problem finding my great grandparents death certificate because they had died before 1907 & the death certificates were not isssued before that time. Good luck, Jean

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1351.3.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you so much for looking anyway.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1351.3.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I did some looking but couldn't find him either, sorry I couldn't be of help.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1351.3.1.1.1 Message Board Post: It has taken me a while to get back on here. I have Davis Sockey's siblings names, and his parents, he was married to my grandmother. and they had two small sons who died by 1918. I have located one of them, Allen died in 1912 and is buried in the Boiling Springs Cemetery, Wilburton Area. Their other son was named Vernon, am still trying to locate where he might be buried.

Wilburton is in Latimer Co.: I would go to google, type Latimer Co., OK, and check the entries there. I noticed there is a historical and genealogical society. The newspaper there would also be a good place to check. Some small-town newspapers have microfilmed their earlier editions and those are available at the town's library. Good hunting! Angelyn ---- [email protected] wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1382 > > Message Board Post: > > Hello, > Where would i go to look for a death notice on one of my relatives if he died in Wilburton ,Oklahoma sometime between 1902-1908 He was not indian but lived in Indian terr. > Any help appreciated. > > CArol > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at [email protected] >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1382 Message Board Post: Hello, Where would i go to look for a death notice on one of my relatives if he died in Wilburton ,Oklahoma sometime between 1902-1908 He was not indian but lived in Indian terr. Any help appreciated. CArol

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1381.1 Message Board Post: The counties I listed, Sumter, Greene, and Choctaw are in AL.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1381 Message Board Post: I am working on finding out who if any are still on the reservation keeping the culture. I see they have been moved to OK. The links end in the Choctaw, Greene, and Sumter county areas with Willis Mann, my great-great grand father. Some say he was full-blood, others say he was 3/4. No one thus far from here (OH) knows who his parents are, and I haven't written any AL records agencies yet. Some of his children were Georgia Belle Mann (married Dan Cost Sr., daughters Claretta, Dora, son Dan), Ida Mae Mann, Ellis Mann, Sam Mann (had a daughter Shelly), David Mann, Lucinda Mann, Brunette Mann (daughter Bertha, son Willie). If anyone can help, email me.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/943.1 Message Board Post: Hi my name is Christina Compala. I read sompething you wrote and it said your grandfather is ivan Compala. He is my great grandfather! His son Bruce Compala Is my dad. Im looking for him. If you know of my dad please contact me at (520)4090345 or (520)3127523. thank you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: parker Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1380 Message Board Post: I am trying to help my grandaughters to find their native genealogy line. 20 years ago my daughter met up with a man by the lastname parker who is a native american - he and my daughter met at the tulalip reservation in washington state although his family had migrated to that area - his grandfather has long been receased.mr parker had left my daughter many years ago -- anyone who can help me to find my grandchildrens heritage is very much appreciated. thank you, linda vasquez

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1378.3.2 Message Board Post: Bonnie, I know that Ella and My ggrandfather William G. Lankford were married at the Choate house and that Ella's fathers name is John Lacey. Thanks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lacey Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1378.3.1 Message Board Post: Thank you Bonnie, I am confused though how this family is related to Ella. Please respond.

James: In a nutshell.....yes! For reasons known only to themselves, the Dawes Commission chose to list enrollees in different categories (Newborns, Minors, By Blood, Freedmen, Newborn Freedmen, Minor Freedmen, Intermarried-White, etc.) You can have a family unit with two or more separate census card numbers. For instance: Jane Smith, By Blood will have one census card. Her newborn child, by blood will have another census card. Her Intermarried-White husband will have still another census card. However, this does not always hold true. I have seen families with members in separate categories, all listed on the same census card. I have no explanation why. Go figure!! dusty List Admin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "April" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] census cards > Hi James, > > Is this (below) what you are talking about? > If so, then there aren't two separate numbers, just the one. > The Pitchlynn would be the father of Rhoda Howell. > > If this isn't what you are talking about can you be more specific? > April > > Dawes Final Rolls Results > Total Records: 2 Tribe Last First Middle Age Sex Blood Card Roll Misc Type Choctaw Howell Rhoda 86 F 1/8 174 342 DAVIS BB Choctaw Pitchlynn 0 M 174 P Prev [1] Next > > James Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > Re: I'm confused about ( Choctaw ) census cards. Can there be ( 2) two seperate census cards with the number 174. if one was a minor 4/4 Choctaw BB and the other was an adult BB 1/8 degree? thanks James > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the list. Write to me, the listowner, at [email protected] > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Markie and Fay's Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm >

If you will take a look at this page http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/enroll/guide.htm under search hints you will see that it is possible to find the same number on more than one card. They moved people from one card to another and then gave them a different number. I can't provide you with the answer as to why, but it was done and many times. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] census cards > Re: I'm confused about ( Choctaw ) census cards. Can there be ( 2) two > seperate census cards with the number 174. if one was a minor 4/4 Choctaw > BB and the other was an adult BB 1/8 degree? thanks James > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the > list. Write to me, the listowner, at [email protected] > > > >