Thanks, Pamela! I'm a 'native' who'd never heard of Loretta. angelyn ---- Pamela Kahler <[email protected]> wrote: > James, try this link > > http://www.texhoma.us/book/earlyhis.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Brown" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 1:26 PM > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] loretta, oklahoma > > > > Has anyone ever heard on a town in Oklahoma, ( possible north east > > oklahoma called LORETTA? James > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe to CHAHTA-L list discussions on history, culture, language. > > Send msg. to [email protected] > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes, > > nothing in the subject line, turn off signatures. > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the list. Write to me, the listowner, at [email protected] >

was changed to Texhoma in Nov. 12, 1901; as there was another Loretta Oklahoma. Very few claims were filed on until the railroad was assured. Thanks much for the link! The article doesnt say where the "other" Loretta, Oklahoma was. Any thoughts on this? Any inforamtion you have is appreciated. James

James, try this link http://www.texhoma.us/book/earlyhis.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 1:26 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] loretta, oklahoma > Has anyone ever heard on a town in Oklahoma, ( possible north east > oklahoma called LORETTA? James > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHAHTA-L list discussions on history, culture, language. > Send msg. to [email protected] > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes, > nothing in the subject line, turn off signatures. > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >

Has anyone ever heard on a town in Oklahoma, ( possible north east oklahoma called LORETTA? James

Thank you Dusty and Fran!....James

That makes sense... dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Indian Territory > Here is one explanation of how the term "Indian Territory" came into use: > _http://www.answers.com/topic/indian-territory_ > (http://www.answers.com/topic/indian-territory) > _Encyclopedia _ (http://www.answers.com/library/Encyclopedia-cid-1809589217) > > "Indian Territory, in U.S. history, name applied to the country set aside > for Native Americans by the Indian Intercourse Act (1834). In the 1820s, the > federal government began moving the Five Civilized Tribes (Cherokee, Creek, > Seminole, Choctaw, and Chickasaw) of the Southeast to lands W of the > Mississippi River. The Indian Removal Act of 1830 gave the President authority to > designate specific lands for them, and in 1834 Congress formally approved the > choice. The Indian Territory included present-day Oklahoma N and E of the Red > River, as well as Kansas and Nebraska; the lands were delimited in 1854, > however, by the creation of the Kansas and Nebraska territories. Tribes other than > the original five also moved there, but each tribe maintained its own > government. As white settlers continued to move westward, pressure to abolish the > Indian Territory mounted. With the opening of W Oklahoma to whites in 1889 the > way was prepared for the extinction of the territory, achieved in 1907 with > the entrance of Oklahoma into the Union. > > The terms "Indian country" and "Indian territory" are often used > interchangeably, although Indian territory usually has the more specific meaning > outlined above — that is, the region in the West where American Indians were > compelled to relocate in the nineteenth century. > Indian country is an expression generally used today to describe > (collectively or individually) the many self-governing American Indian communities > throughout the United States. This usage is reflected in many places, such as in > the title of the American Indian newspaper _Indian Country Today_ > (http://www.answers.com/topic/indian-country-today) . > In the United States legal system, Indian country is a legal term that > describes American Indian reservations and trust lands. _[1]_ > (http://tribaljurisdiction.tripod.com/id7.html) . " > Sincerely, > Fran Bolton > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the list. Write to me, the listowner, at [email protected] >

Here is one explanation of how the term "Indian Territory" came into use: _http://www.answers.com/topic/indian-territory_ (http://www.answers.com/topic/indian-territory) _Encyclopedia _ (http://www.answers.com/library/Encyclopedia-cid-1809589217) "Indian Territory, in U.S. history, name applied to the country set aside for Native Americans by the Indian Intercourse Act (1834). In the 1820s, the federal government began moving the Five Civilized Tribes (Cherokee, Creek, Seminole, Choctaw, and Chickasaw) of the Southeast to lands W of the Mississippi River. The Indian Removal Act of 1830 gave the President authority to designate specific lands for them, and in 1834 Congress formally approved the choice. The Indian Territory included present-day Oklahoma N and E of the Red River, as well as Kansas and Nebraska; the lands were delimited in 1854, however, by the creation of the Kansas and Nebraska territories. Tribes other than the original five also moved there, but each tribe maintained its own government. As white settlers continued to move westward, pressure to abolish the Indian Territory mounted. With the opening of W Oklahoma to whites in 1889 the way was prepared for the extinction of the territory, achieved in 1907 with the entrance of Oklahoma into the Union. The terms "Indian country" and "Indian territory" are often used interchangeably, although Indian territory usually has the more specific meaning outlined above — that is, the region in the West where American Indians were compelled to relocate in the nineteenth century. Indian country is an expression generally used today to describe (collectively or individually) the many self-governing American Indian communities throughout the United States. This usage is reflected in many places, such as in the title of the American Indian newspaper _Indian Country Today_ (http://www.answers.com/topic/indian-country-today) . In the United States legal system, Indian country is a legal term that describes American Indian reservations and trust lands. _[1]_ (http://tribaljurisdiction.tripod.com/id7.html) . " Sincerely, Fran Bolton

I suppose everyone has their own definition, but when I refer to Indian Terr., I am speaking of that portion of land that originally included parts of what is now the states of Oklahoma and eastern Arkansas, before statehood. I believe Arkansas became a state abouty 1834, which left Indian Terr. within what is now Okla. I do know there was dispute over exactly where the boundaries of Okla., Texas and La. were that ran for years. Anybody got other ideas? dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:52 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Indian Territory > Dusty, when one refers to Indian Territory or if one was going to refer to Indian territory as re the way the federal government sees it....Would it be referring to the Indian Territory now part of Oklahoma? or any land once occupied by Native American tribes, such as the land inhabited by the Cherokee, Choctaw, etc. Or would that be Cherokee Lands? > I read a comment by an attorney from OILS that the Indian Territory that is now part of Oklahoma is the only land ever officially recognized and named INDIAN TERRITORY by the federal government. Could I please have comments on this? > > Thank You > James > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. >

Dusty, when one refers to Indian Territory or if one was going to refer to Indian territory as re the way the federal government sees it....Would it be referring to the Indian Territory now part of Oklahoma? or any land once occupied by Native American tribes, such as the land inhabited by the Cherokee, Choctaw, etc. Or would that be Cherokee Lands? I read a comment by an attorney from OILS that the Indian Territory that is now part of Oklahoma is the only land ever officially recognized and named INDIAN TERRITORY by the federal government. Could I please have comments on this? Thank You James

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cox, Daniels, Brashears, Walker Harmon Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/1391 Message Board Post: JOHN COX b. 1830 Tenn was listed next door to Charles Cox in the 1870 census of Bell County, Texas. Charles might be related. CHARLES COX was born 1840 in Tennessee, and died Abt. 1890 in Latham, LaFlore County, Oklahoma. He married LETHA DANIELS b Abt. 1862, daughter of ALFRED DANIELS and MARYBRASHEARS. Some of the children were; Emma b. 1862, Charley b. 1865, John b. 1870, Joseph Rufus, b. 1877, Maggie Etta b. 1880, Letha A. b. 1882. All of Charles’ children were born in the Choctaw Nation. John married RACHEL HARMON WALKER who was b. 1831 in Alabama and died 1909 in Kimble County Texas. John died 1914 in Kimble County Texas. Some of the children were; Sarah J. b. 1854 in TN. MATTIE TENNESSEE, my great grandmother, Mary b. 1860 and Henrietta b. 1867. The children were born in Arkansas and the Choctaw Nation. I have virtually no documentation to prove this information. I gleaned this from what others posted and from the census data. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1390 Message Board Post: I am seeking info on Lonie, Lannie, Lonnie,Gill Bishop Stewart. Stewart is her married name. What I know is from family sources and she is an adopted child. Married John David Stewart.Her DOB abt 1885

In a message dated 8/7/2006 6:24:28 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I don't know if it's the right way or not by I go from littlest to biggest. Caddo, Blue Co., Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory. Pickens Co., Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory That makes sense to me - thank you!

When recording our ancestors, is one method the 'correct' way? Is it 'Indian Territory, Choctaw Nation' or 'Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory'?

I don't know if it's the right way or not by I go from littlest to biggest. Caddo, Blue Co., Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory. Pickens Co., Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory Tammy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 6:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] a simple question When recording our ancestors, is one method the 'correct' way? Is it 'Indian Territory, Choctaw Nation' or 'Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory'? ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe: Send msg. to [email protected] Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures.......

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Couey, Covey, Anable, Hanner Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1389 Message Board Post: I am looking for information on a John Couey or Covey married to Jennie Anable. They had a daughter Lillie Mae (My great-gransmother) born August 30,1898 in Texas. John was killed when my grandmother was a young girl. She married Wesley Nathan Hanner Jan. 1, 1913 in Paoli, Oklahoma in Garvin County.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/679.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Tim, My Laura was born in Logan County, Arkansas. Her father's name was Joseph Henry Wilkins, (from Tennessee), Mother (Emma Gean Ellis). Lilly

Ok, I am sending this to my sister-in-law who is the expert on the genealogies. Perhaps this will help us as well. I will try and get back to you when I hear from her.

Here's a copy of some of the Neal names, I haven't gone out to the gravesite to get the next older generation's names.I know there was a Mariah, but her name wasn't Neal, she married into this group. I can't remember if it was CC's mother or Emily's mother though. The little "graveyard" where they are is only about 5 or 6 graves. And they're within the edge of the firing range of a military base, so we have to be very careful when we try to go out there And there are about three or four different places to go to find the separate little cemeteries. I can never remember who's where. (One of my gg-grandmothers was even buried on the OUTSIDE of the fence in the little tiny graveyard, because a "savage" couldn't be buried inside their good Christian graveyard. She and her hubby were side by side, just separated by the little two and a half foot fence. Hmmm.. I've always wanted to dig down to see just how deep that fence went! Now that I have a geneology program and a digital camera,everythiing's going to be totally documented! If I can't remember, at least I can look it up! ********************** Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace C.C. NEAL Self M Male W 38 MS Farmer VA VA Emily NEAL Wife M Female W 36 MS Keeping House --- --- Laura NEAL Dau S Female W 16 MS --- --- Alice NEAL Dau S Female W 14 MS --- --- Idella NEAL Dau S Female W 12 MS --- --- Cora NEAL Dau S Female W 10 MS --- --- Greene NEAL Son S Male W 8 MS --- --- Agustus NEAL Dau S Female W 6 MS --- --- Saml NEAL Son S Male W 4 MS --- --- Emily NEAL Dau S Female W 2 MS --- --- C.C. NEAL Son S Male W 1 MS --- --- Source Information: Census Place Moscow, Kemper, Mississippi Family History Library Film 1254652 NA Film Number T9-0652 Page Number 85A Thanks so much, all I ever knew is that they left their homes, and came down here to "hide out." Carol High

My grandmother was a Neal from Mississippi. If you knew a little more about your Neals, I could tell you if we are related. I even have photos. If you can give me some given names, I can possibly hook you up from there if it would happen to be our family. Linda Garner Evans

Imafo, I copied and pasted the link from the actual site as I was reading it. I just copied and pasted from your email, and it went there just fine. You have to be careful not to include the extra marks at the beginning and end of the address, such as the _ and_ or the parenthesis marks ( ) I don't know why those are added when the address is sent through an email, I am not putting them there! Computers! We love them, even though we don't understand them! I'll send a separate email, directly from that site, so the address you click on SHOULD be highlighted in a different color. Fran In a message dated 7/31/2006 12:03:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Halito Fran: I attempted these links and get a page does not exist message. Imafo [email protected] wrote: Excerpt from this site: _http://www.umsystem.edu/shs/nativeam.html_ (http://www.umsystem.edu/shs/nativeam.html) "Any American Indian who fought with federal troops may have a record of veteran's benefits or bounty land. The National Archives military records section has a separate alphabetical file for each Indian veteran who served prior to 1870." Excerpt from this site: _http://www.aiac.state.al.us/choctawgenealogy.htm_ (http://www.aiac.state.al.us/choctawgenealogy.htm) "Civil War Records- There is also a set of records having to do with Indian applications for military bounty land and Civil War pensions in the U.S. Archives. These applications cover the period 1855-90." Sincerely, Fran Bolton