On google, you can book search, under other options. You can search some thing's like Choctaw district..and find under public domain a publication of the Alabama historical society. You can download and save the book, but you can't search it nor print it. THey also have some you can read for free. There is one on the Choctaw missions with some history of them, not much genealogy. you have to be creative in your searches, but I was able to read 4 or 5 of Halbert's works. searching for halbert doesn't always give you all his stuff. the program uses adobe acrobat. Jennifer Mieirs My genealogy webpage http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com

I have Berrys in my line as well. Once I retrieve all of my data, I would like to share. LaRue <[email protected]> wrote: " Don ' t miss out on a blessing because it is not packaged the way you expect..." Hi Dusty, I was given your e-mail by James Brown. I am trying to access the Census Cards, online, of my possible family. I had DNA test done. I am 18 percent Native American. My mother always said "Cherokee". I do find family name "ELIZABETH BERRY " on the Dawes Final Roll. I have also found a name " ALEXANDER BLACK " that is in my information. He is listed on the Dawes Final Roll as full blood " DELAWARE ". How can I open the application Census Cards online ..." LaRue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.

I can give you some of the information on the census cards, but I don't know of a site where you can view an image of the original card. Copies can be ordered from the National Archives Southeast Branch in Ft. Worth, Texas. The Elizabeth Berry listed on Dawes is on Cherokee by Blood census card no. 1389. She is age 53 in 1902, 1/8 blood quantum, roll no. 3777. Also listed on the family census card are Ida Green age 13, Jack Green age 14 and Albert Seabolt age 21. Alexander Black is shown as age 41, fullblood Delaware (Cherokee), card no. 56, roll no. 59. Do any of these names sound familiar? dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: "LaRue" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 5:13 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST] Ancestors...? > > " Don ' t miss out on a blessing because it is not packaged the way you expect..." > > Hi Dusty, > I was given your e-mail by James Brown. > I am trying to access the Census Cards, online, of my possible family. > I had DNA test done. I am 18 percent Native American. > My mother always said "Cherokee". I do find family name "ELIZABETH BERRY " on the Dawes Final Roll. > I have also found a name " ALEXANDER BLACK " that is in my information. > He is listed on the Dawes Final Roll as full blood " DELAWARE ". > How can I open the application Census Cards online ..." > > LaRue > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

" Don ' t miss out on a blessing because it is not packaged the way you expect..." Hi Dusty, I was given your e-mail by James Brown. I am trying to access the Census Cards, online, of my possible family. I had DNA test done. I am 18 percent Native American. My mother always said "Cherokee". I do find family name "ELIZABETH BERRY " on the Dawes Final Roll. I have also found a name " ALEXANDER BLACK " that is in my information. He is listed on the Dawes Final Roll as full blood " DELAWARE ". How can I open the application Census Cards online ..." LaRue

Jen, it probably says somewhere in the Petition what the X before a name means, but I've apparently overlooked it. ??? Angelyn ---- Jennifer Mieirs <[email protected]> wrote: > http://www.trackingyourroots.com/data/bripet.htm > > > Jennifer Mieirs > > My genealogy webpage > http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found a site that has plat maps for sale for different counties and states, I know some folks would be interested...it's on ebay, store name is front page books... Jennifer Mieirs My genealogy webpage http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com

http://www.trackingyourroots.com/data/bripet.htm Jennifer Mieirs My genealogy webpage http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com

Look at these names.. John Gardner....William Riddle, and alot of Choctaw white's...deserves perusing...I think it's closer to 1780 though...I forget when Cornelius shows up in the territory... Jennifer Mieirs My genealogy webpage http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com

This link lists libraries which have the microfilms of the missionary records http://www.wheaton.edu/bgc/archives/GUIDES/261.htm Jennifer Mieirs My genealogy webpage http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com

In a message dated 9/16/2006 4:23:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Are Ancestry and Heritage Quest free sites, or do they charge a yearly fee? dusty Heritage Quest is free if you get a password from your local library, then you access it on your home computer. I say free, but we all pay a fee on our telephone bill to fund it. Ancestry is a paid subscription. I'll be happy to do look ups. Fran Bolton

Are Ancestry and Heritage Quest free sites, or do they charge a yearly fee? dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST] "Indian" as a surname on census index ?? > > In a message dated 9/16/2006 10:08:12 A.M. Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Between then and the official reformation of the tribe > in 1945 when a constitution and by-laws were approved, those Indians left in > Miss. were considered to be citizens of the US, private land owners (in > truth, mostly squatters and share-croppers). > > > > When using Heritage Quest and Ancestry online census, search the index using > the surname "INDIAN". > I have yet to read an explanation why the enumerator was instructed to do > this, as on at least one of the census years, 1910, those enumerated under the > surname INDIAN had both first and last names on the census pages. > This is the only reference on Ancestry : > "There were separate Indian population schedules for 1910 in which the tribe > and/or band was also recorded" > On Ancestry, there is a little yellow symbol next to the "INDIAN" surnames > on the search results pages, but no explanation as to it's meaning. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 9/16/2006 10:08:12 A.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Between then and the official reformation of the tribe in 1945 when a constitution and by-laws were approved, those Indians left in Miss. were considered to be citizens of the US, private land owners (in truth, mostly squatters and share-croppers). When using Heritage Quest and Ancestry online census, search the index using the surname "INDIAN". I have yet to read an explanation why the enumerator was instructed to do this, as on at least one of the census years, 1910, those enumerated under the surname INDIAN had both first and last names on the census pages. This is the only reference on Ancestry : "There were separate Indian population schedules for 1910 in which the tribe and/or band was also recorded" On Ancestry, there is a little yellow symbol next to the "INDIAN" surnames on the search results pages, but no explanation as to it's meaning.

One has to remember that (technically) there was no "reservation" until the Miss. Choctaws reorganized in the 1940's. When the last of the land held communally by the Choctaw people was ceded to the government in 1831, and those who chose to stay in Miss. received their individual land allottments, the rest of the land left over was deemed "public lands" and sold or given to white settlers. The last of the Choctaws who had claimed to have filed for land under the 14th Article of the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek, but were left off the allottment records, were removed to Indian Terr. (Oklahoma) in 1903. Between then and the official reformation of the tribe in 1945 when a constitution and by-laws were approved, those Indians left in Miss. were considered to be citizens of the US, private land owners (in truth, mostly squatters and share-croppers). This was in spite of various forms of government aid in the form of schools, health care and financial aid by both government and missions programs. It is possible that the "reservation" in your oral history referred to a parcel of land that the family managed to hold onto after being received via the 14th Article, but those were few and far-between. Most land was sold or traded soon after allottment. Official reservation land today includes parcels at Redwater (Leake Co.), Standing Pine, Pearl River, Bogue Chitto (Jasper Co.), Tucker Community, Conehatta (Newton Co.) and Bogue Homa (Jones Co.) dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST] Henrietta Alexander mar. David M. Holt > In a message dated 9/15/2006 11:06:56 A.M. Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Family legend is that Henrietta was from "the reservation" or from Carthage, > Ms. > She married David Monroe Holt 1873 in Warren Co., Ms. > [email protected] > > > DR, > > > Additional census records: > 1850 Warren Co Ms > Reubin Alexander 34 MS > Elizabeth 38 SC > Sarah 12 > John 9 > Jane 7 > Eliza 4 > Adora 3/12 > Wm Rollinson 17 SC > Mary A Rollinson 15 MS > (This 3 month old Adora is possibly the 10 yr old Eudora in R Alexander > household in 1860, mother is Elizabeth, 50 born SC, to tie these two families as > the same. Other clues are 9 yr old John is possibly the 20 yr old John on the > same 1860 R Alexander census, and 12 yr old Sarah is the 22 yr old Sarah in > 1860) ) > > 1850 Warren Co MS > David Holt 36 MS > Arrissa 23 MS > Mary J 1 > Mary Alexander 65 TN > > 1870 De Soto Co MS > AT Jones 26 MS > Kadie 20 AR > Leander 9/12 > David Holt 12 MS > > Sincerely, > Fran Bolton > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 9/15/2006 11:06:56 A.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Family legend is that Henrietta was from "the reservation" or from Carthage, Ms. She married David Monroe Holt 1873 in Warren Co., Ms. [email protected] DR, Additional census records: 1850 Warren Co Ms Reubin Alexander 34 MS Elizabeth 38 SC Sarah 12 John 9 Jane 7 Eliza 4 Adora 3/12 Wm Rollinson 17 SC Mary A Rollinson 15 MS (This 3 month old Adora is possibly the 10 yr old Eudora in R Alexander household in 1860, mother is Elizabeth, 50 born SC, to tie these two families as the same. Other clues are 9 yr old John is possibly the 20 yr old John on the same 1860 R Alexander census, and 12 yr old Sarah is the 22 yr old Sarah in 1860) ) 1850 Warren Co MS David Holt 36 MS Arrissa 23 MS Mary J 1 Mary Alexander 65 TN 1870 De Soto Co MS AT Jones 26 MS Kadie 20 AR Leander 9/12 David Holt 12 MS Sincerely, Fran Bolton

In a message dated 9/15/2006 2:27:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: 1870 Warren Co family # 157 Family # 161 Joseph Howard 27 GA Robert B Scott VA Dora 19 MS Henrietta Alexander 15 MS Elizabeth Alexander 63 SC Olliver Lisk 9 MS DR, this should read Family # 161 Robert B Scott Henrietta Alexander 15 MS Fran Bolton

DR, Do you have access to the census records? 1880 Warren Co Bovina MS: David Holte 26 MS MS MS Harriette 25, MS MS SC Aaron Howard, age 5 nephew. 1870 Warren Co family # 157 Family # 161 Joseph Howard 27 GA Robert B Scott VA Dora 19 MS Henrietta Alexander 15 MS Elizabeth Alexander 63 SC Olliver Lisk 9 MS 1860 Warren Co Vicksburg: R Alexander 45 MS Elizabeth 50 SC Harriet 6 MS I Lisk 26 Sarah Lisk 22 The 1900 Census shows David to be married to his wife of 1 year, Ellen 27 The 1910 census shows David M married 3 times and wife Mary E married 2 The extra surnames in these families on different census years appear to tie them together. If you would like to see the actual census pages, email me privately. Fran Bolton In a message dated 9/15/2006 11:06:56 A.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Family legend is that Henrietta was from "the reservation" or from Carthage, Ms. She married David Monroe Holt 1873 in Warren Co., Ms. She was not buried in Vicksburg City Cemetery, as was her husband, and it has been speculated that she may have been interred on the reservation. During a recent visit to the reservation at Philadelphia, Ms., I was told that if her name was Alexander, she would not have been buried in any of the res's cemeteries. How do I go about tracing her parents, etc., when I have no idea of their Native American names? Any advice on how to proceed would be greatly appreciated. [email protected]

Many Choctaw at that time had European names. However many of them had Choctaw names as well and Choctaw names exclusively. This is what makes our task so difficult. One of the first things you should do is to check your surnames against some of the surname web sites and you might discover that someone has already done most of the work for you. You can check the census Images and that might also give you clues. Imafo. [email protected] wrote: Family legend is that Henrietta was from "the reservation" or from Carthage, Ms. She married David Monroe Holt 1873 in Warren Co., Ms. She was not buried in Vicksburg City Cemetery, as was her husband, and it has been speculated that she may have been interred on the reservation. During a recent visit to the reservation at Philadelphia, Ms., I was told that if her name was Alexander, she would not have been buried in any of the res's cemeteries. How do I go about tracing her parents, etc., when I have no idea of their Native American names? Any advice on how to proceed would be greatly appreciated. [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.

In a message dated 9/14/2006 2:53:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Thanks, it worked! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST] Genealogy library > Jackie, I clicked on "Notes of the American Missionary Association" and it > took me to this page: > _http://www.accessgenealogy.com/american_missionary.htm_ > (http://www.accessgenealogy.com/american_missionary.htm) . GREAT! Maybe someone on the list who is more computer savvy can explain why these extra symbols are added. And the repeat of the URL. Perhaps there could be directions as to how to copy and paste these URLs correctly, as you will notice the above addresses both have extra, and different, symbols added. In reality, I typed the URL only once, but is was duplicated in transmission. Fran Bolton

Jackie, I clicked on "Notes of the American Missionary Association" and it took me to this page: _http://www.accessgenealogy.com/american_missionary.htm_ (http://www.accessgenealogy.com/american_missionary.htm) . where it gives "brief sketches from the years 1888-1895" Somehow for reasons that I don't understand, when a URL link is sent through a mailing list, there are extra symbols added at the beginning and/or the end, and sometimes the entire address is repeated twice. You have to remove these extra symbols when coping and pasting. As I am writing this, the URL above is highlighted in red, so that all you should have to do is click on it, but that gets lost in transmission. In a simple email, it would appear as a clickable link. Sincerely, Fran Bolton

Thanks, it worked! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST] Genealogy library > Jackie, I clicked on "Notes of the American Missionary Association" and it > took me to this page: > _http://www.accessgenealogy.com/american_missionary.htm_ > (http://www.accessgenealogy.com/american_missionary.htm) . > where it gives "brief sketches from the years 1888-1895" > Somehow for reasons that I don't understand, when a URL link is sent > through > a mailing list, there are extra symbols added at the beginning and/or the > end, and sometimes the entire address is repeated twice. You have to > remove > these extra symbols when coping and pasting. > As I am writing this, the URL above is highlighted in red, so that all you > should have to do is click on it, but that gets lost in transmission. In a > simple email, it would appear as a clickable link. > Sincerely, > Fran Bolton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >