Yakoke. Some of my family hid in the swamps to remain in Mississippi. Perhaps this is some of their descendants. [email protected] wrote: These particular names come from the 1870 Newton Co., Miss. census. Newton, Jasper and surrounding counties were in the last of Choctaw country and there were still Indian people living there in 1870. I haven't found anyone listed as "Indian" in the censuses before 1870...but am still looking. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wilson" To: Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST] Gilmore, Nail, Willis, Thompson, Tatum,Jones, 1870 Newton Co. Miss. Choctaws > Halito Dusty: > > Are these some sort of census records? I have Joneses and Thompsons in my line. Yakoke for the info. > > Imafo > > > > [email protected] wrote: > Newton P.O., Reel no. M593-742, pg. no. 447A > > HH/Fly no. 19: > > John Gilmore, (Indian) age 30, "hunter" > Charlie Gilmore (") age 23 > Pattly Gilmore (fem.") age 23 > Suckey Gilmore (") age 58 > Pollie Gilmore (") age 70 > Susan Gilmore (") age 26 > Matilda Gilmore (") age 32 > George Gilmore (") age 20, "hunter" > Silly Gilmore (fem.") age 26 > > HH/Fly. #21: > Rena Tatum (black) age 19, "farm laborer" > Suckey Tatum (Indian) age 10 > Billie Thompson age 50 (male Indian), "hunter" > Eliza Thompson, (") age 21 > > HH/Fly #22: > John Willis age 19 (Indian), "hunter" > Eliza Willis (") age 21 > Alfred Willis (") age 15, "hunter" > Rebecca Willis (") age 20 > John Nail (") age 24, "hunter" > Cowing Nail (male ") age 10 > Martha Nail (") age 8 > Louisa Nail (") age 11 > James Nail (") age 6 > Sallie Nail (") age 43 > > HH/Fly #24: > Lily Jones (Indian) age 28 > Sarah J. Jones (") age 10 > Mary Jones (") age 5 > > dusty > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.

In a message dated 10/19/2006 8:42:37 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Would there happen to be a "P" beside the names in question? Those folks were listed as "parents" on the application of their child, but were not given a number. Now I understand - thank you!

Halito Dusty: Are these some sort of census records? I have Joneses and Thompsons in my line. Yakoke for the info. Imafo [email protected] wrote: Newton P.O., Reel no. M593-742, pg. no. 447A HH/Fly no. 19: John Gilmore, (Indian) age 30, "hunter" Charlie Gilmore (") age 23 Pattly Gilmore (fem.") age 23 Suckey Gilmore (") age 58 Pollie Gilmore (") age 70 Susan Gilmore (") age 26 Matilda Gilmore (") age 32 George Gilmore (") age 20, "hunter" Silly Gilmore (fem.") age 26 HH/Fly. #21: Rena Tatum (black) age 19, "farm laborer" Suckey Tatum (Indian) age 10 Billie Thompson age 50 (male Indian), "hunter" Eliza Thompson, (") age 21 HH/Fly #22: John Willis age 19 (Indian), "hunter" Eliza Willis (") age 21 Alfred Willis (") age 15, "hunter" Rebecca Willis (") age 20 John Nail (") age 24, "hunter" Cowing Nail (male ") age 10 Martha Nail (") age 8 Louisa Nail (") age 11 James Nail (") age 6 Sallie Nail (") age 43 HH/Fly #24: Lily Jones (Indian) age 28 Sarah J. Jones (") age 10 Mary Jones (") age 5 dusty ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.

I am looking for any Falconer descendants, children of William C. Falconer and Julia Reymille Hawkin's. The children married an Underwood, John Fannin, Andrew J. Stacy, Ida Taylor, and Dora Unknown... Jennifer Mieirs My genealogy webpage http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com

1870 Newton Co., Miss., Newton P.O., Reel M593-742, page #408A: HH/fly #113: Peter John (Indian) age 45, "farm laborer", bn. Miss. Betsy John ("), age 25, "farm laborer", bn. Miss. Mary John ("), age 14, "farm laborer", bn. Miss. Susy John (") age 13, "farm laborer", bn. Miss. Jeff John (") age 10, "farm laborer", bn. Miss. Thompson John (") age 1, bn. Miss. HH/fly #115: Tom Jackson (Indian), age 21, "farm laborer", bn. Alabama (In HH areGeorge Griffin age 28, Amanda Griffin age 17, Mary Sue Griffin age 2, all listed "black")

In a message dated 10/19/2006 3:35:29 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: NR means non-resident or not registered How can some of my ancestors be on a Choctaw card, have a Dawes number, but still be on the NR roll?

Would there happen to be a "P" beside the names in question? Those folks were listed as "parents" on the application of their child, but were not given a number. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST] question > > In a message dated 10/19/2006 3:35:29 PM Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > NR means non-resident or not registered > > > How can some of my ancestors be on a Choctaw card, have a Dawes number, but > still be > on the NR roll? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Newton P.O., Reel no. M593-742, pg. no. 447A HH/Fly no. 19: John Gilmore, (Indian) age 30, "hunter" Charlie Gilmore (") age 23 Pattly Gilmore (fem.") age 23 Suckey Gilmore (") age 58 Pollie Gilmore (") age 70 Susan Gilmore (") age 26 Matilda Gilmore (") age 32 George Gilmore (") age 20, "hunter" Silly Gilmore (fem.") age 26 HH/Fly. #21: Rena Tatum (black) age 19, "farm laborer" Suckey Tatum (Indian) age 10 Billie Thompson age 50 (male Indian), "hunter" Eliza Thompson, (") age 21 HH/Fly #22: John Willis age 19 (Indian), "hunter" Eliza Willis (") age 21 Alfred Willis (") age 15, "hunter" Rebecca Willis (") age 20 John Nail (") age 24, "hunter" Cowing Nail (male ") age 10 Martha Nail (") age 8 Louisa Nail (") age 11 James Nail (") age 6 Sallie Nail (") age 43 HH/Fly #24: Lily Jones (Indian) age 28 Sarah J. Jones (") age 10 Mary Jones (") age 5 dusty

Jennifer: Thanks for the info. Do you have anything like this on what is now Jasper Co., as I've got ancestors there also...right on the border between Jasper & Newton Cos. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Mieirs" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]>; "Glenda Raymond" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST] Bernard Roman's map > Since it was posted as free domain on google, I paraphrazed the article by H. S. Halbert on Bernard Roman's map. The waterways will be done later. There is another article by Dr. Brown that includes more Newton Co. towns... > > Halbert, H. S., Publications of the Mississippi Historical Society, Vol VI, "Bernard Roman's Map of " p414- 439, 1902 > (References to number on map, Halbert's notes on each is paraphrased, keep in mind cemeteries for the Choctaw's not like ours.) > > Panthe. Ponte Creek and it's tributary, Lost Horse Creek are called Coosha or Coosa towns. In Lauderdale County. > Sapesssa. Kemper Co. on North side of Blackwater creek, approximately midway between Shomo Takali, and what is now Mineral Spring Branch. > Panta or Panthe . No. 1 was the historic town of Coosa on the head of Lost Horse Creek. Two prongs of Lost Horse Creek, one from west, and the other from south, uniting in the northwest corner of section 30 TN 8 R 16 E. The town was situated on the north side of the west prong about 4 miles from what was in 1904 Lazelia. States about ¼ of a mile north of where the prong's unite was a flat hill where Charles Juzan's trading house was located in the 1820-1830's. States Oklahoma's daughter Phoebe was married to Charles Juzan, that Oklahomma was the nephew of Pushamataha, had been briefly Chief in his stead, and was replaced by Nitakechi. (He skipped Tapena Homma, who is listed on government documents entirely). The cemetery is located near the east side of the town, by a knoll, her lies Nahomtima and Tapena homma. Jack Amos state's Oklahomma buried on his farm, located about one mile on the southside of the creek. Cemetery near ½ acre. > Chomontakli, should be Shomo Takali, located south ½ of sections 13 and 14 of TN 9 r 15 E. Consisted of 8 hamlets. Chief in 1830, Nita Homma, Red Bear, lived in 3rd hamlet. About 1200 yards south of his house is a prehistoric mound. There were three cemeteries there. > Oka Loosa, should be Oka Lusa, Black Water, several settlements located on this creek. In 1732 a map shows Oka Lusa on south side of Black water not many miles from Petickfa. States Roman's location is not on the Black Water, but on the White's Branch in Kemper Co., which empties on the south side of Petickfa. There is evidence of a town on the west side of White's branch extending across Petickfa. > Hanka Ullah, should be Hankha iaola, located on flat top ridge between the Black Water and Petickfa. Ridge's trend is northwest to southeast. The town made up of several hamlets. It was mostly in section 2 of TN 9 R 16 E. At time of treaty the Chief was Anumpulitubbe. > East Yazoo Skatene, should be Yashu Iskitini, or Little Yazoo, to distinguish it from the Yazoo in Neshoba County which was a larger town. In Kemper there is a Yazoo Creek that empties into Petickfa on the north side, about a mile north it forks, the west side is named Yazoo Creek, the east Flat Creek or Flat Branch. The town lay between the mouth and the fork, and was a small town. One of the Choctaw's who lived there was Noki Homma Hacho. Mentioned by George S. Gaines. > Ebita Poocola Skatene, should be Ibetap Okla Iskitini. Located on the west branch of Yazoo Creek. > Imonglasha Skatene, should be Imoklasha Iskitini, located on east branch, or Flat Creek. > Cutha Aimethaw. Halbert couldn't locate or translate this. > Ayanabi, should be, Iyanabi or Yanabi. Yanubbee town is located on Yanubbee creek a tributary of Petickfa located about 8 miles southwest of Dekalb. This was written about in Vol III of both the Publications of the Mississippi Historical Society, and Alabama Historical Society. It was located in sections 22, 26 and 27 of TN 10 R 15 E. > Oka Atakala, should be Oka Ahltakala, and was probably between the Yanubbee and Petickfa. > Escooba, should be Oskoba, evidently a few miles east or northeast of Petickfa. > East Congeeto, should be East Concheeto, should be somewhere near town of Moscow, and was destroyed in Choctaw Civil war of 1764. > Lukfa, should be Lukfi, should be somewhere near the head waters of some of the prongs of Sukenatcha Creek. > Bogue Toocoolo Chitto, should be Bok Tuklo Chitto, located where the Running Tiger and Sukenatcha meet about 4 miles northwest of Dekalb. Running Tiger is Shakbaktina Baleli. > Yagna Shoogawa, should be Yakni Achukma, located about four miles above mouth of Running Tiger, there is a east branch there named Indian Branch. > East Abeika, was at the mouth of Straight Creek and included land on the south side of Sukenatcha Creek. He also mentions Bok Apassli is the Choctaw name for Straight Creek, and it empties into the Sukentacha at section 24, TN 11 R 16E. > Ebita Poocoolo Chito, should be, Ibetap Boklo Chitto, and he thinks it may be on Straight Creek. > Chooco Hoola, should be Chukka Hullo, on north side of Sukenatcha, somewhere between Running Tiger and Straight Creek. > May be Oka Hullo, located on and near mouth of Sanootee Creek south of Dekalb. The Creek run's east and empties into the Petickfa. > Olitasha, should be Holitha Asha, located where Dekalb is. The town was sort of a Capital, where annual meeting's were held. It had 100 cabin's, and two chiefs. An early 19th century chief was Tapena Hadjo (Mad Warclub) > Cuthi Uckehawa.Halbert is not sure if this should be Kati Oka Hikia, located on or near the mouth of Parker Creek which empties into the Petickfa. > > In the southeast corner of Kemper is Puskus Takali, which seems to be the same as, Kusha Bolukta, written about in Vol III of Publications of the Mississippi Historical Society. Another town, a little northeast is Tali Chuluk, on the creek by that same name. > > Osuktalaya, should be Osaktalaya > Tonicahaw, should be Tonik Hikia > West Abeika, not identified > West Yaso, should be Yashu, or Yazoo, near the head waters of Okitibbeha Creek in Neshoba County, sections 13 and 24 of TN 10 R13E. Tanampo eshubbee was Chief at time of Dancing Rabbit Creek. This town was prominent, and visited by Tecumseh in 1811. > Cabe Hoola, no information > Okapoolo, no information > West Congeetoo, or Coonchetto, located about 2 miles west of Yazoo, extended west to almost Sand Town. > Kaffetalaya, now Coffedelia, should be Kafi Talaia, Halbert disagreed with the author who traced Bernard's map, stating the town was on Owl Creek, section 21 of TN 11 R 13E. > Sekeaha, should be Shinuk Kaha, called Sand Town. Located about 7 miles northeast of Philadelphia. Town was on a flat crescent shaped ridge from which the headwaters of Buck Horn Branch, a tributary of Ocubly Creek is located. Yackni Homma, Red Land, was chief in later part of 18th century. > Oka Coopoly, was on Ocubly Creek in Neshoba. > Alloon Looanshaw, should be Halunlawasha, is now the town of Philadelphia. About one mile south is a Choctaw burial ground. > Lukshapa. Halbert states he can do nothing with the name, but there is a Lussalaka Creek located in about the same place, and this may be the location. Lussalaka creek is a tributary of Kentarky Creek empting into the west side of Kentarky Creek. > Conchatikpi, should be Kunsha Tikpi, a tributary Creek of Kentarky in southern Neshoba County. States there is a problem with where Roman's recorded this information. > Oka Chippo, may be Oka Shippa, not located. > Cuctachas, should be Kashtasha, also seen as Kushtusha, located on the north side of Cushtusha Creek, about 3 miles southwest of Yazoo. > Consha Cosapo, should be Kunchak Osapa, and Halbert could not locate it. He thinks it was east of Mokalusha. (see below) > West Imongalasha, should be Imokalasha, located in Neshoba County, on the headwaters of Talasha Creek. This was a large town. Several hamlets were nearby, Yaneki, Chukkilissa, Onaheli, Nanihaba, and Bihi Konlo. > > There are two names in Neshoba County. One, correctly Okla Falaya, became the entire western district, and the other, correctly Osapo Chitto, was a large settlement. > Halbert left Jasper County, towns 48-57 for later. > > > Jennifer Mieirs > > My genealogy webpage > http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

THANK YOU.......very interesting.

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NR means non-resident or not registered. James ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:17 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST] question > Using accessgenealogy.com, what does "roll NR" mean? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Don't know if this will help anyone, but I found them near my HORNs and next door to some of my WALLs in 1870 Newton Co., Miss: Newton P.O., Reel No. M593-742, pg. no. 411A House/Fly. no. 145 Simpson (Indian), age 45, hunter, bn. Mississippi Elizer ("), age 40, bn. Miss. Lookey ("), age 16, bn. Miss. Margaret ("), age 8, bn. Miss. House/Fly. no. 146: Jim (Indian) age 35, hunter, bn. Miss. Sally (") age 25, bn. Miss. Enah ("), age 6, bn. Miss. Ann ("), age 1, bn. Miss. House/fly. no. 147: John (Indian) age 45, hunter, bn. Miss. Lousy (prob. Lucy) (") age 32, bn. Miss. Young (") age 11, bn. Miss. Jim (") age 8, bn. Miss. Louezer ("), age 6, bn. Miss. Purity ("), age 1, bn. Miss. Martha (") age 75, bn. Miss. Rebecca (") age 45, bn. Miss. July (fem "), age 21, bn. Miss. Lister (male ") age 18, bn. Miss. Mary (") age 40, bn. Miss. House/fly no. 148: Joshua (Indian) age 36, bn. Miss., hunter Phylis (") age 70, bn. Miss. Lucy (") age 35, bn. Miss. Polly (") age 30, bn. Miss. Sally (") age 25, bn. Miss. Martha (") age 15, bn. Miss. Jack (") age 12, bn. Miss. Mary (") age 10, bn. Miss. Luckey (fem ") age 4, bn. Miss. House/fly no. 149: Jackson (Indian) age 59, bn. Miss., hunter Nancy (") age 50, bn. Miss. Lousy (prob. Lucy) (") age 25, bn. Miss. Mary Ann (") age 18, bn. Miss. Lewis (") age 16, bn. Miss. dusty

Since it was posted as free domain on google, I paraphrazed the article by H. S. Halbert on Bernard Roman's map. The waterways will be done later. There is another article by Dr. Brown that includes more Newton Co. towns... Halbert, H. S., Publications of the Mississippi Historical Society, Vol VI, �Bernard Roman�s Map of � p414- 439, 1902 (References to number on map, Halbert�s notes on each is paraphrased, keep in mind cemeteries for the Choctaw�s not like ours.) Panthe� Ponte Creek and it�s tributary, Lost Horse Creek are called Coosha or Coosa towns. In Lauderdale County. Sapesssa� Kemper Co. on North side of Blackwater creek, approximately midway between Shomo Takali, and what is now Mineral Spring Branch. Panta or Panthe . No. 1 was the historic town of Coosa on the head of Lost Horse Creek. Two prongs of Lost Horse Creek, one from west, and the other from south, uniting in the northwest corner of section 30 TN 8 R 16 E. The town was situated on the north side of the west prong about 4 miles from what was in 1904 Lazelia. States about � of a mile north of where the prong�s unite was a flat hill where Charles Juzan�s trading house was located in the 1820-1830�s. States Oklahoma�s daughter Phoebe was married to Charles Juzan, that Oklahomma was the nephew of Pushamataha, had been briefly Chief in his stead, and was replaced by Nitakechi. (He skipped Tapena Homma, who is listed on government documents entirely). The cemetery is located near the east side of the town, by a knoll, her lies Nahomtima and Tapena homma. Jack Amos state�s Oklahomma buried on his farm, located about one mile on the southside of the creek. Cemetery near � acre. Chomontakli, should be Shomo Takali, located south � of sections 13 and 14 of TN 9 r 15 E. Consisted of 8 hamlets. Chief in 1830, Nita Homma, Red Bear, lived in 3rd hamlet. About 1200 yards south of his house is a prehistoric mound. There were three cemeteries there. Oka Loosa, should be Oka Lusa, Black Water, several settlements located on this creek. In 1732 a map shows Oka Lusa on south side of Black water not many miles from Petickfa. States Roman�s location is not on the Black Water, but on the White�s Branch in Kemper Co., which empties on the south side of Petickfa. There is evidence of a town on the west side of White�s branch extending across Petickfa. Hanka Ullah, should be Hankha iaola, located on flat top ridge between the Black Water and Petickfa. Ridge�s trend is northwest to southeast. The town made up of several hamlets. It was mostly in section 2 of TN 9 R 16 E. At time of treaty the Chief was Anumpulitubbe. East Yazoo Skatene, should be Yashu Iskitini, or Little Yazoo, to distinguish it from the Yazoo in Neshoba County which was a larger town. In Kemper there is a Yazoo Creek that empties into Petickfa on the north side, about a mile north it forks, the west side is named Yazoo Creek, the east Flat Creek or Flat Branch. The town lay between the mouth and the fork, and was a small town. One of the Choctaw�s who lived there was Noki Homma Hacho. Mentioned by George S. Gaines. Ebita Poocola Skatene, should be Ibetap Okla Iskitini. Located on the west branch of Yazoo Creek. Imonglasha Skatene, should be Imoklasha Iskitini, located on east branch, or Flat Creek. Cutha Aimethaw. Halbert couldn�t locate or translate this. Ayanabi, should be, Iyanabi or Yanabi. Yanubbee town is located on Yanubbee creek a tributary of Petickfa located about 8 miles southwest of Dekalb. This was written about in Vol III of both the Publications of the Mississippi Historical Society, and Alabama Historical Society. It was located in sections 22, 26 and 27 of TN 10 R 15 E. Oka Atakala, should be Oka Ahltakala, and was probably between the Yanubbee and Petickfa. Escooba, should be Oskoba, evidently a few miles east or northeast of Petickfa. East Congeeto, should be East Concheeto, should be somewhere near town of Moscow, and was destroyed in Choctaw Civil war of 1764. Lukfa, should be Lukfi, should be somewhere near the head waters of some of the prongs of Sukenatcha Creek. Bogue Toocoolo Chitto, should be Bok Tuklo Chitto, located where the Running Tiger and Sukenatcha meet about 4 miles northwest of Dekalb. Running Tiger is Shakbaktina Baleli. Yagna Shoogawa, should be Yakni Achukma, located about four miles above mouth of Running Tiger, there is a east branch there named Indian Branch. East Abeika, was at the mouth of Straight Creek and included land on the south side of Sukenatcha Creek. He also mentions Bok Apassli is the Choctaw name for Straight Creek, and it empties into the Sukentacha at section 24, TN 11 R 16E. Ebita Poocoolo Chito, should be, Ibetap Boklo Chitto, and he thinks it may be on Straight Creek. Chooco Hoola, should be Chukka Hullo, on north side of Sukenatcha, somewhere between Running Tiger and Straight Creek. May be Oka Hullo, located on and near mouth of Sanootee Creek south of Dekalb. The Creek run�s east and empties into the Petickfa. Olitasha, should be Holitha Asha, located where Dekalb is. The town was sort of a Capital, where annual meeting�s were held. It had 100 cabin�s, and two chiefs. An early 19th century chief was Tapena Hadjo (Mad Warclub) Cuthi Uckehawa�Halbert is not sure if this should be Kati Oka Hikia, located on or near the mouth of Parker Creek which empties into the Petickfa. In the southeast corner of Kemper is Puskus Takali, which seems to be the same as, Kusha Bolukta, written about in Vol III of Publications of the Mississippi Historical Society. Another town, a little northeast is Tali Chuluk, on the creek by that same name. Osuktalaya, should be Osaktalaya Tonicahaw, should be Tonik Hikia West Abeika, not identified West Yaso, should be Yashu, or Yazoo, near the head waters of Okitibbeha Creek in Neshoba County, sections 13 and 24 of TN 10 R13E. Tanampo eshubbee was Chief at time of Dancing Rabbit Creek. This town was prominent, and visited by Tecumseh in 1811. Cabe Hoola, no information Okapoolo, no information West Congeetoo, or Coonchetto, located about 2 miles west of Yazoo, extended west to almost Sand Town. Kaffetalaya, now Coffedelia, should be Kafi Talaia, Halbert disagreed with the author who traced Bernard�s map, stating the town was on Owl Creek, section 21 of TN 11 R 13E. Sekeaha, should be Shinuk Kaha, called Sand Town. Located about 7 miles northeast of Philadelphia. Town was on a flat crescent shaped ridge from which the headwaters of Buck Horn Branch, a tributary of Ocubly Creek is located. Yackni Homma, Red Land, was chief in later part of 18th century. Oka Coopoly, was on Ocubly Creek in Neshoba. Alloon Looanshaw, should be Halunlawasha, is now the town of Philadelphia. About one mile south is a Choctaw burial ground. Lukshapa. Halbert states he can do nothing with the name, but there is a Lussalaka Creek located in about the same place, and this may be the location. Lussalaka creek is a tributary of Kentarky Creek empting into the west side of Kentarky Creek. Conchatikpi, should be Kunsha Tikpi, a tributary Creek of Kentarky in southern Neshoba County. States there is a problem with where Roman�s recorded this information. Oka Chippo, may be Oka Shippa, not located. Cuctachas, should be Kashtasha, also seen as Kushtusha, located on the north side of Cushtusha Creek, about 3 miles southwest of Yazoo. Consha Cosapo, should be Kunchak Osapa, and Halbert could not locate it. He thinks it was east of Mokalusha. (see below) West Imongalasha, should be Imokalasha, located in Neshoba County, on the headwaters of Talasha Creek. This was a large town. Several hamlets were nearby, Yaneki, Chukkilissa, Onaheli, Nanihaba, and Bihi Konlo. There are two names in Neshoba County. One, correctly Okla Falaya, became the entire western district, and the other, correctly Osapo Chitto, was a large settlement. Halbert left Jasper County, towns 48-57 for later. Jennifer Mieirs My genealogy webpage http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com

Thank you Judy. ...................................... In a message dated 10/13/2006 7:28:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Judy White" <[email protected]> writes: >Today I put up the first part of the book Century of Dishonor, the rest will follow over the next few days. > >I have had this book for some time and read it and re-read it, trying to make up my mind if I should put it online or not. I have always felt it was an important book, but wondered how people would handle the truths in this book. I hope after you read about the tribe that is of the most interest to you, you will take a little extra time and read about the other tribes. You are welcome to pass the pages on to others. If you have comments on the book, please email me at [email protected] Please remember one thing, these are not my words, but history of our people. http://www.nanations.com/century-of-dishonor.htm > >Thanks >Judy

Halito Judy: Unfortunately many of these same activities and crimes continue today. In my studies I have more recently focused on recent and current events. It would amaze you how terrible the people are being treated by the government, powerful corporations and citizens of the U.S. in recent and current times. I believe that the only way to resolve this is through truth telling by activists and the press, and accurate historical education of the children of the U.S. Unfortunately, the press is owned by many of the corporations which have participated in the horrible treatment of the people. This is a very difficult problem as there is tremendous oppression by the government and corporations to prevent the truth from being told. For example, the U.S. has been found to be in violation of International human rights laws in the Western Shoshone case. You don't hear about this because very powerful governmental and corporate interests are involved, and they have the power to influence what the media will cover. Although I am not a young person anymore, I have decided to do something I have wanted to do for the past several years. I have decided to go back to school and pursue a double major in Native American Studies and law. I then would like to pursue advanced degrees in both areas. After I accomplish these goals I wish to advocate for the people in every way possible through every possible means of communication. I would like to eventually work for one of the native legal organizations and use every legal means necessary to redress these wrongs. I would also like to teach. Of course, in the mean time I will communicate these things in every forum I can find. Truth telling is an extremely important part of a strategy to address these dilemmas. At some point one must decide to have the courage to stand up and be counted. I am not a young person anymore, but I must do what I have to do. One thing that I do still possess, is intelligence and the ability to communicate. I will use those abilities in the best possible ways that I can to work for native people. If I have somehow spoken out of turn, I apologize and I will not speak of this again. You see, I agree with Judy that this is an important book and it inspired me to speak of the wrongs being perpetrated against the people in the recent past and current times. Good for you Judy! Imafo Judy White <[email protected]> wrote: Today I put up the first part of the book Century of Dishonor, the rest will follow over the next few days. I have had this book for some time and read it and re-read it, trying to make up my mind if I should put it online or not. I have always felt it was an important book, but wondered how people would handle the truths in this book. I hope after you read about the tribe that is of the most interest to you, you will take a little extra time and read about the other tribes. You are welcome to pass the pages on to others. If you have comments on the book, please email me at [email protected] Please remember one thing, these are not my words, but history of our people. http://www.nanations.com/century-of-dishonor.htm Thanks Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.

Today I put up the first part of the book Century of Dishonor, the rest will follow over the next few days. I have had this book for some time and read it and re-read it, trying to make up my mind if I should put it online or not. I have always felt it was an important book, but wondered how people would handle the truths in this book. I hope after you read about the tribe that is of the most interest to you, you will take a little extra time and read about the other tribes. You are welcome to pass the pages on to others. If you have comments on the book, please email me at [email protected] Please remember one thing, these are not my words, but history of our people. http://www.nanations.com/century-of-dishonor.htm Thanks Judy

I have a Moore in my family who attempted enrollment in the Choctaw Tribe during the Dawes Commission: Caroline Moore MCR# 7097, application# 1628. [email protected] wrote: In a message dated 6/20/2006 10:16:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Benjamin Lattimore Lea I found Line Creek Cemetery, in Tangipahoa Parish, Louisiana, with these surnames: Samantha M. Lea January 14, 1819 - June 18, 1890 Rev. B. L. Lea February 5, 1820 - April 11, 1890 MASON B. M. Lea, Sr. 1877 - 1954 Samantha A. Lea Raborn Wife of A. L. Raborn June 22, 1875 - October 1, 1908 You can see the cemetery list at _http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/la/tangipahoa/cemeteries/linecrek.txt_ (http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/la/tangipahoa/cemeteries/linecrek.txt) I hope this will help you find the documentation you need, Fran Bolton ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Markie and Fay's Home Page: http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.

Halito Kennard: Where did you get the data on George Harper and a full blooded Choctaw woman? Were they living in the Choctaw Nation and where? Plus anything else you can think of. lol. You know that Abraham Hanks was married to Sarah Elizabeth Harper Shipley Hanks. It is reported that her father was George Harper, who was married to an Elizabeth known as Sarah. Since your Eliza named a number of her children after her Elizabeth and Sarah, we (Marcie and I) believed that she was related to John Harper, Eliza, etc. Eliza's brother had 2 daughters who married 2 of Elizabeth Hanks' sons. Imafo "Kennard D. Henry" <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Richard, I am glad to see that you are back on line. Sorry to hear about your medical problem. Hope every- thing is getting better. I read many of your messages on the internet when you were searching for info on Harper's. That is my line also. It rans like this: George Harper & a full blood Choctaw woman. Elizabeth Betsy Harper & John Knight. Elizabeth Betsy Knight & Joseph H. Davis. Lavinia Davis & James Wentworth. Joseph A. Wentworth & Annie Davis. Mary Alice Wentworth & Elmer Handlon. Pansy C. Handlon & Clifford Henry. Kennard Henry that's me. I know you were doing ok on the McNabb line. Glad again that you are back on line. Keep hunting and don't give up the faith. Kennard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wilson" To: Sent: 06/07/2006 12:00 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Ford, Swaffard,etc. >I am knew to the list. I used to do a lot of genealogy and history on line, >but my computer crashed and my son was supposed to fix it and never did. I >also have been in very poor health lately, almost lost a kidney plus other >things. I recently purchased another computer but I lost about 10 years of >data, although I do have hard copies of some things. > I do have a Ford male who married a McNabb female, who was Choctaw. > This all would have occurred in the latter part of the 19th century. they > would have been my great aunt and uncle. my filse are locked away and > stored at this time, but I will be getting them out of storage in the next > couple of weeks and will provide more specifics at that time. I have one > more kidney surgery to go through tomorrow and still can't lift anything. > I should be able to lift again some time in the next couple of weeks and > will reorganize my files and provide more specifics on this couple. Do you > have any idea if there is a relationship. The Mcnabb female was originally > from Kentucky but moved somewhere west after marriage, if my memory is > correct. > > > > > Imafo Hopiah > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW > Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~impson/ for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, etc. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.

Halito, I have a Ford who attempted enrollment in the Choctaw Tribe under the Dawes' Commission. It is: Lena (McKnabb) Ford MCR# 6562, 1461, 1465. Lena Mcknabb was the sister of my grandfather, Robert McKnabb. She married a Ford. I used to correspond with a descendant of hers. I was ill for quite a while though and had computer problems, so I haven't talked to her for some time. If I can find her email address I'll let you know. That is if she doesn't mind. Give me some more of your surnames and I'll check them out. [email protected] wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Swaffar, Ford Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1379.1 Message Board Post: Jim, I can email you a copy of the 1910 Atoka Co census page, showing George N and wife Itaska, married 5 yrs, 2 children, brother Alford, Widowed, in the home of their father Larkin F Swaffar, 72 born TN, with 3 more grandchildren that probably belong to Alford. Nearby there is a John W, 37, born AR, father born TN with wife Etta and 8 children. The 1920 Bryan Co census shows a JM Swaffar, 45 born AR, with wife Agnes and WF Ford, his father-in-law, and AC Ford, his brother-in-law. 1920 Muskogee Co shows George N and wife Itaska with 5 children. If any of this will give you new or helpful info, let me know, Fran Bolton ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... Send msg. to [email protected] Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes and spelled correctly. Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.