Wow. I really don't know! Let me throw some names out and let me know if any ring a bell. My grandmother was named Mary Edythea Paul (birth name). She had several brothers and sisters, but I only remember Jeff Paul, Coleman Paul and Thelma Paul. My grandmother, Mary (or "Dite" as we called her) married Carroll Bond and my father, Charles, was one of three sons. I do not know the correct parish, but the towns where I know there are people by the name of both Paul and Bond are Oakdale and Alexandria. In fact there is a family graveyard in Oakdale. Does any of this sound familiar? -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com [mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of mrsspray@netscape.net Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 7:37 AM To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Re: Last names Paul, DePaul or Bond This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Paul / Johnson / Hatch Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/948.1 Message Board Post: I'm searching for my Paul family of Rapides parish. Do you have any Pauls from that area? ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes and spelled correctly. Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures.......
Halito Mr. Hawkins: I'm afraid that your people are Cherokee but perhaps at some point they inter-married Choctaw. You see, I am also Choctaw/Cherokee and the tell/tale sign of your very famous family is the spelling. I am speaking of course of the various derivations; Guess, Guest, Gist. This is of course typical of the way the surname of the famous George Gist was often spelled. I am speaking of the famous Sequoya, the inventer of the Cherokee syllabary. Although he was unable to read or write a language, he invented a written language. He is the only known single person to have been able to accomplish this daunting task. You will find the Guess family on the "Cherokee Dawes Rolls" and you will also find them in the Emmett Starr book, "History of the Cherokee Nation" I hope this helps. Sincerely: Richard Wilson Imafo Hopiah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com
Halito, Sakanna, I am looking for information about my grandmother. We don't have much information about her, but her name before she married my grandfather was Sallie or Sarah Brown (a married name). She isn't on the Dawes Roll. I don't even know if she ever applied. I do know that she was living in north Texas when she met my grandfather. George Ann >From: Richard Wilson <imafo2002@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Hanks, Harpers, et.al., Part I Correction >Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:32:17 -0700 (PDT) > > Halito George Ann: > > This is a document sent to me by one of my on >line cousins which has become quite invaluable. >Because of certain confidentiality concerns I have >just listed surnames. However, the document lists >given name, surname, census #, and MCR #. > If there is more you would like to know about the >document, perhaps we can discuss it off line >email-to-email. I'd be happy to help you with any >family information. If you are a family member, I >would even scan the document to you. It's just that >for certain confidentiality reasons that I would like >to keep it within the family for now. I will make it >public at some point though. > > Imafo > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >http://autos.yahoo.com > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== >Need more CHOCTAW information. Try Judy White's NATIVE AMERICAN RESOURCE >CENTER at http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, newsletters, >lookups, articles, etc. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/600.1 Message Board Post: Hi-- I too am looking for information on my great grandmother whose maiden name could have been Moore. She was full blood choctaw and married a Taylor Williams. They had a son, Monroe and a daughter Emma Ella[my grandmother ] Does any of this ring a bell??? If it does e-mail me at baumy@seniorexplorer.com-----The eliza I have been searching for seems to have disapeared after my great grandfather's death in 1929. I figure she went to live with her people and could have taken her maiden name back. She could posably be buried in an indian cemetary. Where is this cemetary that you speak of? I also have been searching the Indian rolls.----anyway lots of luck to you if this isn't what you are looking for-----Pat
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Brown Guess/t/Guss/Gist, Looney, Ri(t)chey(ie), Wood(s), Di(cks)xon, Hawkins Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/953 Message Board Post: does anyone know about Martin Guess or Guest? I think he appears on the Choctaw rolls. that was my g-g-grandpa's name & this person might be a descendant. thanks also interested in surnames of Brown and Looney -- always thought ancestors were Cherokee, but they lived in Choctaw & Chickasw Nations before statehood, & seemed to avoid Cherokee Nation. we still live here in Oklahoma. thank you very much vance hawkins
Of course, since the removals when the name was adopted as a surname, many of them are related. And I suppose the argument could be made that, since they were all Choctaw, they are related. However, I have seen the name on Chickasaw rolls also, so the "tubbee" suffix was apparently used in both nations. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Wilson <imafo2002@yahoo.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Tubbee/Tubby Suname > Halito Dusty: > > Thanks Dusty. It seemed, a few times when I > observed a lot of Tubbees discussing the history of > their name, that they were all related. I suppose my > assumption must have been wrong. Most unfortunate. It > would have been a good clue for me to use in > researching my own family history. Well that's why you > ask before you leap. > > Imafo > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, etc. >
Halito All: Today I am going to continue with the Harper family and start with the Hanks family. As I stated, the Harpers were said to be full blooded Choctaw. We know this from family tradition, interviews in the "Draper Manuscripts" from people who knew them and testimony before the "Dawes Commission" by people who knew them. There now is additional evidence. I checked the Fayette County Tax Lists and all of the property was listed in the males' name until you get to Mary Harper. I think it is quite significant that they continued some of their matrilineal customs after living in a predominantly Euro-American environment a few years. Also Elizabeth and her families moved between Kentucky and the Choctaw Nation in Mississippi and Louisiana a number of times. Further more, both John and Elizabeth had land in the Choctaw Nation in Mississippi and in Louisiana. Some of these land patents state that they were associated with the "Treaty of 1820" which would have been the "Treaty of Doaks Stand". Abraham Hanks' wife was Sarah Elizabeth Harper (Shipley) Hanks. Shipley was her mother's maiden name. Her parents' were George Harper and Sarah Elizabeth Shipley Harper. A partial list of their children is: Sarah Elizabeth, Scarlett Rachel,Isaac, and Peter. Peter was George's stepson. Now this is where the story starts to get interesting. During "Pontiac's Rebellion" Sarah Elizabeth Shipley Harper was taken by Indians. While in captivity, she became the wife of one of the men and had a son, Peter. Peter, of course, is Abraham Hanks' brother-in-law and he went on the trip to Kentucky with him. It is said that all of the Harpers and Abraham Hanks were very close. Peter was killed one day, by what was believed to have been, someone who thought he was a hostile Indian. He left his estate to his mother. However, John, Thomas, Charles Harper and George Harper, a nephew of Peter's, moved onto the land with good claims. This meant they had to be related to Peter in some way. Unfortunately, Nicholas had died in the "Battle of the Blue Licks" by this time. Elizabeth and her family were in Choctaw country at this time. I understand that Choctaws are recognized on the memorial for the "Battle of the Blue Licks" so apparently there were other Choctaws in the Boonesborough settlement area. If I remember my Choctaw history correctly, this was a period of time when the hunters had to travel further and further away from the villages, because the area was becoming hunted out. Kentucky at that time was rich with game, so perhaps this attracted a few of them. Now there has been considerable speculation about how Peter Harper and John Harper and his siblings might have been related: 1) They could have been additional children of George and Sarah Elizabeth. 2) They could have been the children of George by a different wife. 3) They could have been other children of Sarah Elizabeth's from the captivity. 4) This is one it seems they haven't thought of . They could have been children of the man who fathered Peter, but by a different woman. Perhaps they missed their brother and decided to go see him and then decided to stay. Then they adopted their brother's surname, Harper to be consistent with his and because they recognized that they would adapt more easily in a Euro-American environment with a Euro-American name. Of course this is all speculation, but perhaps the applications I ordered from NARA will give me some clues. In 1830 John Harper went down to Mississippi to apply for scrip in accordance with the "Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek". However, Col. William Ward was very drunk and treated him very badly and refused him. John then sold some property he had in Choctaw Territory in Mississippi and Louisiana. I don't know if he sold the land because he felt compelled to because of the "Removal" or if he was afraid white intruders would just take it away and he would just lose it anyway. The land patents stated the land was associated with the "Treaty of 1820" which was the "Treaty of Doaks Stand". I believe the "Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek" stated that they had to give up the land by a certain date. So perhaps he did feel compelled to sell it. I do know that this trip and the business he conducted on this trip must have been very important to him, because he was 70 y.o. at the time. I'm certain the trip had to have been hard on him. After all, having to walk or ride a horse or a wagon of some kind all of the way at his age. After all, he was 70 y.o. Unfortunately, he didn't accomplish anything. As a matter of fact he lost very, very much. He lost his piece of dirt in Indian Territory. The most significant thing that he lost though, was his heritage and the heritage of his descendants. He lost that heritage to a drunken white man. A drunken white man had the power to determine whether or not John Harper was a Choctaw. Well I know who I am and I am teaching my children and grandchildren who they are. They can keep official cards away from me all they want. I know who I am and I can prove it. A drunken white man doesn't change a thing. Col. Ward denied individuals who appeared full blooded because he believed they were more easily taken advantage of. So if your descendant was denied by Col. Ward you can almost be certain that they are full blooded or close to full blooded. Ward was being paid by two attorneys, who were speculators in Indian Land, for scrip. This is how whites ended up on Choctaw land almost immediately. So there were many Choctaws cheated out of their land in Oklahoma and in Mississippi, etc. This is why there were homeless Choctaws wandering around Mississippi. The government investigated and became aware of it but refused to correct it. Again, the old government refrain, 'we want fewer Indians not more Indians.' Brave Elizabeth Harper Knight Sims and her family took the adventurous approach. They simply did not want to leave their homes. They hid in "Honey Island Swamp" for quite a while and when they finally came out they just remained in Louisiana. I like that kind of spunk and I thank Marcie Lee for telling me that story. Well I believe this is quite a bit for one entry so I'll sign off for now. If anyone has information to share with me please don't hesitate. I sure can use it. If you think I can help you just send me an email. Isn't that what this is all about? Well I'll be seeing you. Imafo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Duh! I must have deleted the original. What document is this from? Can I find a copy online? George Ann >From: Richard Wilson <imafo2002@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Hanks, Harpers, et.al., Part I Correction >Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 19:00:09 -0700 (PDT) > > Halito All: > > Sorry, but I made a mistake in the last posting >and missed some names, So if you would please >disregard that posting and use this one, as it is more >complete. Again, the names are as follows: >Action, Acton, Allsman, Amyx, Asbury, Atchison, Banie, >Barnes, Barter, Bell, Bolin, Boone, Bowman, Bradshaw, >Brayfield, Brown, Burkhart, Byrd, Cadwell, Cannoy, >Carter, Cartman, Catron, Center, Chambers, Chaney, >Chappell, Cheatham, Clark, Cochran, Collier, >Collingsworth, Connely, Cormican, Cowgill, Cox, >Creech, Day, Dennis, Doss, Downs, Drake, Drolte, Duff, >Edmonds, Egelston, Ellison, Evans, Ewing, Faulkner, >Firman, Fleming, Ford, Frank, Fulkerson, Fulks, >Gaffney, Garritt, Glas, Guy, Hall, Hanks, Harper, >Herp, Hiscal, Hobbs, Hopiah, Horner, Horton, Hoskins, >Howard, Ingram, Jackson, Jett, Johnston, Jones, Kash, >Kerwood, King, Knapp, Landrum, Lanham, Large, Lauver, >Lawson, Ledford, LeMaster, Lewis, Long, Lykins, >Madison, Mayer, McCarrick, McClelland, McIllvane, >McKinzie, (McKnab, McKnabb, McNab, McNabb), Meadows, >Mitchell, Moore, Morris, Munson, Northcutt, Odgen, >Poor, Putnam, Reasor, Redick, Reynolds, Richords, >Rider, Riggs, Robberts, Rogers, Rylander, Sally, >Satterfield, Smedley, Smith, Spencer, Spradling, >Stamper, Stockdale, Thompson, Thomson, Tipton, >Townsend, Trimble, Turley, Tyler, Wade, Wheeler, >White, Wiedey, Wills, Wilson, Withers, Yeargain, >Yocum, Youch > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >http://autos.yahoo.com > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== >Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at >http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, etc. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Halito George Ann: This is a document sent to me by one of my on line cousins which has become quite invaluable. Because of certain confidentiality concerns I have just listed surnames. However, the document lists given name, surname, census #, and MCR #. If there is more you would like to know about the document, perhaps we can discuss it off line email-to-email. I'd be happy to help you with any family information. If you are a family member, I would even scan the document to you. It's just that for certain confidentiality reasons that I would like to keep it within the family for now. I will make it public at some point though. Imafo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com
Halito John: Thanks John. I have noticed those names on the treaty and often wondered if they were related. However, Dusty says my theory about the Tubbees/Tubbys is flawed so I would think that the probability that it would be flawed about the Hopiahs as well would be fairly high. Most unfortunate. Well that's why we ask. Imafo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com
Halito Dusty: Thanks Dusty. It seemed, a few times when I observed a lot of Tubbees discussing the history of their name, that they were all related. I suppose my assumption must have been wrong. Most unfortunate. It would have been a good clue for me to use in researching my own family history. Well that's why you ask before you leap. Imafo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Paul / Johnson / Hatch Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/948.1 Message Board Post: I'm searching for my Paul family of Rapides parish. Do you have any Pauls from that area?
In a message dated 7/14/2002 4:01:43 PM Central Daylight Time, dustyc@microgear.net writes: > > Richard: > > The Tubbees were not necessarily all related. The "tubbee" designation in > the name means that the person had killed an enemy in battle. It was an > honor name given only after that deed, and was adapted during the latter > 1800's as a surname which is carried to the present. It can also be spelled > "Tubby". > > dusty > Dusty, I see the word "Hopia" in many names who signed the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek, either in the front or at the end of the name. Is "Hopia" a word similar to "Tubbee/Tubby" and what does it mean? John Craven New Orleans
In a message dated 7/14/2002 1:45:56 AM Central Daylight Time, imafo2002@yahoo.com writes: > I also wanted to > know if all of the Hopiahs could be related, as it > appears with the Tubbees, and if I could use this as a > clue in my searches. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Sincerely: > Richard Wilson > Imafo Hopiah > Hello Richard, there are some names on the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek which could be what you are looking for. However, none of them appear to be exactly what you seek so it's not certain. Some of the names may be corruptions of spellings that you have but then again they might be spelt correctly. Here are some of the names on the Treaty that I've seen that may be related to you: Hopeatubbee Hopiaisketina Hopiaunchahubbee Hoshhopia Hoparmingo Hopiantushker Hopia Stonakey and on the Supplemental Articles to the treaty appear the following names: Hopiaunchahubbee Iyaeherhopia Hopiahoomah Hope that helps, John Craven New Orleans
Hello Hawk, you may wish to check out the website of The Confederate War Museum in New Orleans and get the info you need to contact them concerning your relative's role during the Civil War. The Confederate War Museum maintains many lists of names of people who served on both sides during the war. I'm certain it will have come Indian names since many Indians sided with the South in their fight against the North. The website of The Confederate War Museum is as follows: http://www.confederatemuseum.com/ John Craven New Orleans
Halito All: Today I am going to continue with the Harper family and start with the Hanks family. As I stated, the Harpers were said to be full blooded Choctaw. We know this from family tradition, interviews in the "Draper Manuscripts" from people who knew them and testimony before the "Dawes Commission" by people who knew them. There now is additional evidence. I checked the Fayette County Tax Lists and all of the property was listed in the males' name until you get to Mary Harper. I think it is quite significant that they continued some of their matrilineal customs after living in a predominantly Euro-American environment a few years. Also Elizabeth and her families moved between Kentucky and the Choctaw Nation in Mississippi and Louisiana a number of times. Further more, both John and Elizabeth had land in the Choctaw Nation in Mississippi and in Louisiana. Some of these land patents state that they are associated with the "Treaty of 1820" which would be the "Treaty of Doaks Stand". Abraham Hanks' wife was Sarah Elizabeth Harper (Shipley) Hanks Shipley was her mother's maiden name. Her parents' were George Harper and Sarah Elizabeth Shipley Harper. A partial list of their children is: Sarah Elizabeth, Scarlett Rachel,Isaac, and Peter. Peter was George's stepson. Now this is where the story starts to get interesting. During "Pontiac's Rebellion" Sarah Elizabeth Shipley Harper was taken by Indians. While in captivity, she became the wife of one of the men and had a son, Peter. Peter, of course, is Abraham Hanks brother-in-law and he went on the trip to Kentucky with him. It is said that all of the Harpers and Abraham Hanks were very close. Peter was killed one day, by what was believed to be, someone who thought he was a hostile Indian. He left his estate to his mother. However, John, Thomas, Charles Harper and George Harper, a nephew of Peter's, moved onto the land with good claims. This meant they had to be related to Peter in some way. Unfortunately, Nicholas had died in the "Battle of the Blue Licks" by this time. Elizabeth and her family were in Choctaw country at this time. I understand that Choctaws are recognized on the memorial for the "Battle of the Blue Licks" so apparently there were other Choctaws in the Boonesborough settlement area. If I remember my Choctaw history correctly, this was a period of time when the hunters had to travel further and further away from the villages, because the area was becoming hunted out. Kentucky at that time was rich with game. So perhaps this attracted a few of them. Now there has been considerable speculation about how they might have been related to Peter: 1) They could have been additional children of George and Sarah Elizabeth. 2) They could have been the children of George by a different wife. 3) They could have been other children of Sarah Elizabeth's from the captivity. 4) This is one it seems they haven't thought of . They could have been children of the man who fathered Peter, but by a different woman. Perhaps they missed their brother and decided to go see him and then decided to stay. Then they adopted their brother's surname, Harper to be consistent with his and because they recognized that they would adapt more easily in a Euro-American environment with a Euro-American name. Of course this is all speculation, but perhaps the applications I ordered from NARA will give me some clues. In 1830 John Harper went down to Mississippi to apply for scrip in accordance with the "Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek". However, Col. William Ward was very drunk and treated him very badly and refused him. John then sold some property he had in Choctaw Territory in Mississippi and Louisiana. I don't know if he sold the land because he felt compelled to because of the "Removal" or if he was afraid white intruders would just take it away and he would just lose it anyway. The land patents stated the land was associated with the "Treaty of 1820" which was the "Treaty of Doaks Stand". I believe the "Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek" stated that they had to give up the land by a certain date. So perhaps he did feel compelled to sell it. I do know that this trip and the business he conducted on this trip must have been very important to him, because he was 70 y.o. at the time. I'm certain the trip had to have been hard on him. After all, having to walk or ride a horse or a wagon of some kind all of the way at his age. Unfortunately, he didn't accomplish anything. as a matter of fact he lost very, very much. He lost his piece of dirt in Indian Territory. The most significant thing that he lost though, was his heritage and the heritage of his descendants. He lost that heritage to a drunken white man. A drunken white man had the power to determine whether or not John Harper was a Choctaw. Well I know who I am and I am teaching my children and grandchildren who they are. They can keep official cards away from me all they want. I know who I am and I can prove it. A drunken white man doesn't change a thing. Col. Ward denied individuals who appeared full blooded because he believed they were more easily taken advantage of. So if your descendant was denied by Col. Ward you can almost be certain that they are full blooded or close to full blooded. Ward was being paid by two attorneys, who were speculators in Indian Land, for scrip. This is how whites ended up on Choctaw land almost immediately. So there were many Choctaws cheated out of their land in Oklahoma and in Mississippi, etc. This is why there were homeless Choctaws wandering around Mississippi. The government investigated and became aware of it but refused to correct it. Again, the old government refrain, 'we want fewer Indians not more Indians.' Brave Elizabeth Harper Knight Sims and her family took the adventurous approach. They simply did not want to leave their homes. They hid in "Honey Island Swamp" for quite a while and when they finally came out they just remained in Louisiana. I like that kind of spunk and I thank Marcie Lee for telling me that story. Well I believe this is quite a bit for one entry so I'll sign off for now. If anyone has information to share with me please don't hesitate. I sure can use it. If you think I can help you just send me an email. Isn't that what this is all about? Well I'll be seeing you. Imafo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com
John Ellison/Allison, b. abt. 1585, Ellin Hamilton, b. abt. 1585 Robert Ellison/Allison, b. unknown, Hannah Gerrard, 1640 Gerrard Robert Allison, b. unknown, d.abt. 1700; Sarah Spence, abt. 1638 Gerrard Robert Allison, b. 1659; Anne Myhill, abt. 1647 John Allison, abt. 1675; Elizabeth Matthews, abt. 1681 Robert Allison, abt. 1697; Mary lloyd, abt. 1701 Robert Allison, 1720; Elizabeth Scott, abt. 1740 James Allison, before 1750; Mary Kilgore, abt. 1774 John A. Allison, b. 1774; Elizabeh Creswell, before 1800 James Anderson Allison, 1810; Delilah Howard, 6 August 1829 William Franklin Allison, abt. 1846; Mary Frances Roberts, 15 June 1870 William Milburn Allison, 1871; Elizabeth Elzara "Betty" Whittington, 17 September 1892 Angelyn ------ Original Message ----- From: Brenda Messer Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2002 1:01pm To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Hanks, Harpers, et.al., Part I Correction Angelyn I would have to have some dates to plug into my database to see if some of these names match. Brenda The Messerville Gazette http://www.geocities.com/windy4448/ Messer Family Inherited Medical Conditions http://www.geocities.com/windy4448/knowninheritedmedicalconditionsinmesserli neage.html ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc.
Thanks, Brenda. Angelyn ------ Original Message ----- From: Brenda Messer Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2002 1:03pm To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Hanks, Harpers, et.al., Part I Correction I will try and check some of these out later in the week with what you have sent me The Messerville Gazette http://www.geocities.com/windy4448/ Messer Family Inherited Medical Conditions http://www.geocities.com/windy4448/knowninheritedmedicalconditionsinmesserli neage.html ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe: Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures.......
Richard: The Tubbees were not necessarily all related. The "tubbee" designation in the name means that the person had killed an enemy in battle. It was an honor name given only after that deed, and was adapted during the latter 1800's as a surname which is carried to the present. It can also be spelled "Tubby". dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Wilson <imafo2002@yahoo.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 1:37 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Questions about the name Hopiah > Halito All: > > My gggg-grandfather John Harper who was said to > have been full blooded Choctaw was sometimes known as > Johnnie Hopiah. Now I Know the name Hopiah means > leader and that it would usually be associated with > another name, such as Humma. As in Hopiah Humma (Red > Leader) for example. > I have noticed that the Tubbees, for example, > seem to be related. Then at some point they used that > last part of their name as a surname, i.e. Tubbee. So > I was wondering if the same thing was going on with > John Harper. That is, that they were using Hopiah as a > surname for a while and then had to give it up for > some reason and started using Harper. I also wanted to > know if all of the Hopiahs could be related, as it > appears with the Tubbees, and if I could use this as a > clue in my searches. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Sincerely: > Richard Wilson > Imafo Hopiah > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com >
I will try and check some of these out later in the week with what you have sent me The Messerville Gazette http://www.geocities.com/windy4448/ Messer Family Inherited Medical Conditions http://www.geocities.com/windy4448/knowninheritedmedicalconditionsinmesserli neage.html