DUMAS, MORRIS, CLARK For years I have thought that I was part Cherokee. I have just found my grandmother's name on the Dawes roll as Choctaw Mississippi and wonder if anyone has any information regarding this family? Looking for information on Lawrence J. 'Thomas' Dumas b. 1844 in Choctaw County, MS; he died 1902 in Bald Knob, White Co., Ark. He married Catherine A. 'Cassie' Morris b. 1850 in MS. They were married Bef. 1875 in Probably MS. His parents were John Brashier Dumas born 02 December 1806 in SC and Caroline Unknown born 1817 in SC. They had the following children in MS: Mary Elizabeth Dumas b. 04 July 1835; William E. Dumas b. Abt. 1838; John Pinkney Dumas b. Abt. 1840; Thomas Dumas b. Abt. 1842; James Jackson 'T.' Dumas b. Abt. 1846; Augusta Dumas b. Abt. 1848; Arbella ' Adella Caroline' Dumas b. 13 October 1851; Mollie Dumas b. Unk.; Kate J. Dumas b. Abt. 1853; Oliver Dumas b. Abt. 1855; Oscar Dumas b. Abt. 1858; Emma Emily Dumas b. Abt. April 1860. John Brashier Dumas' nephew, Scott S. Dumas put the family on the Dawes rolls (Mississippi Choctaw) in 1903. Any information on this family would be greatly appreciated. Linda Benson Cox Los Alamos, NM lindajcox3@hotmail.com

In a message dated 8/2/2002 10:57:45 PM Central Daylight Time, Peggysyellowrose@aol.com writes: > > > DO YOU FIND ANY: > HOLT > MCCOY > PALMER > BUNCH > SUMTER > FOLSOM > MARRS > SHAW > > > THANKS IN ADVANCE PEGGY SUE > > Hello Peggy Sue, I haven't gotten into the book in any real depth yet so I haven't noticed any o those names as of yet. As I look at it more, I will keep an eye out for your names. John Craven New Orleans

DO YOU FIND ANY: HOLT MCCOY PALMER BUNCH SUMTER FOLSOM MARRS SHAW THANKS IN ADVANCE PEGGY SUE

I know my great great grandfather was William Trahern.......close!

One thing to remember about the Mobile Archdiocese records is that they are a translation. One of my ancestors is referred at different points in the translated records as Phelan and another time as Fielding. Unfortunately the original documents are in to fragile a condition to be viewed any longer. I was lucky enough to make a connection here with someone that had a photo copy of the original Baptism record for Rosalia Ballard showing the name as Phelan.

Hello List Members, at the library today, I happened upon a small, paperback booklet which might be of help to some on the list. It's entitled: "Marriage Dispensations in the Diocese of Louisiana and The Floridas: 1786 - 1803" by Shirley Chaisson Bourgeois, published by Polyanthos Press, New Orleans, 1980, with an Introduction by Mr. Charles Nolan, the archivist for the Archdiocese of New Orleans. I only had time to glimpse through it but what I saw seemed very interesting and may involve Indians of many tribes. I did catch a glimpse of one about a "Trahan" which is a name that has surfaced on the list before or perhaps names similar to it. Many of the records recount very interesting stories about why a dispensation to marriage was sought. When I have more time I'll look through it again in greater depth and let you know what I find. John Craven New Orleans

Hello everyone, today, July 31, Pope John Paul II canonizes the Aztec Indian, Juan Diego "Cuauhtlatoatzin" ("the singing eagle") in Mexico City before what should be the largest gathering in human history, some 12 million people, at the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe at Tepeyac in Mexico City. The image of Our Lady of Guadalupe on the tilma of Juan Diego is among the most revered in all of Christendom and was the one thing which brought the Spanish and the Aztecs and other Indians together to form a new nation of peoples called Mexico. The ayate fibers of the tilma which are made from maguey cactus fibers should have disintegrated within 20 years of the making of Juan Diego's tilma but have lasted nearly 500 years. The tilma has survived an accidental spill of nitric acid in 1791 by workman cleaning the gold and silver frame that encases it and in 1921, on November 14, it survived a deliberate bomb blast directly underneath it without a scratch even though the hidden bomb, hidden by government operatives in a vase of flowers, severely damaged the altar during High Mass. There is a replication of what is considered the most accurate portrait of Juan Diego in the book "The Wonder of Guadelupe" by Francis Johnston (1981) which is published by TAN books and is about 450 years old. You can also read about Juan Diego on the EWTN website at http://www.ewtn.com/saints/JuanDiego/index.htm where you can also follow today's proceedings on streamed video. However, the most accurate image of Juan Diego is apparently in the eye of the beholder, herself, namely the Blessed Mother. In 1929, a professional photographer, named Alphonso Gonzales enlarged the image on the tilma of Juan Diego many times and was surprised to find in the eyes of Our Lady of Guadelupe, the image of a man which looks remarkably like the portrait of Juan Diego made several hundred years ago. You can check it out on the web at the following address: http://www.sancta.org/eyes.html. Since then, others have enlarged and studied the eyes of the Image and have found still more images of people in the eyes. It seems that all of the people in the eyes of the Blessed Mother were the ones present in the room when Juan Diego brought the roses from Tepeyac Hill to Bishop Zumarraga on that historic day in December of 1831 when the Image of Our Lady of Guadalupe revealed itself and which you will see at the canonization mass later today nearly 500 years later. A number of Aztec Indians became priests and religious and spread the Gospel far and wide. Some became martyrs in Japan in 1595. Some, undoubtedly came to the Los Adayes Mission outside of Natchitoches, Louisiana, and spread the Gospel to other Indian tribes there, perhaps even to some Choctaws. In any event, the canonization of Juan Diego "Cuauhtlatoatzin" ("the singing eagle") along with the beatification of two Aztec Indian martyrs the following day is a singularly important event for all Indians, I think, and should be celebrated. I hope if you all get the chance you will look in on the events of the canonization of Juan Diego and celebrate it for the important event that it is. John Craven New Orleans

In a message dated 7/30/2002 9:48:22 AM Central Daylight Time, wood_owl@hotmail.com writes: > > > Iskitina means "little." However, here is a possible lead. Military leader > is "hopaii." If the person writing the name was not literate in Chotaw, > he/she might have written "hopiah" instead. > > George Ann > Thanks, George Ann, maybe that'll be of some help to Richard. John Craven New Orleans

Iskitina means "little." However, here is a possible lead. Military leader is "hopaii." If the person writing the name was not literate in Chotaw, he/she might have written "hopiah" instead. George Ann >From: JohnnyMikeCraven@aol.com >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Questions about the name Hopiah >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:34:05 EDT > >Hello Imafo, > > have you ever looked up the name Hopar? > > I came across in Goss' book. It would probably be a sound-a-like >for >Harper. > > Also there are entries in Goss' book under Little Leader(s) and one >is >the following: > Little Leader, or Iskatena, 591 > > There is no "Hopia" embedded in the name Iskatena so this brings up >another language question that pertains to geneaology and that's simply >what >other words did the Choctaw use for leader besides Hopia? > > John Craven > New Orleans > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Knight & Jenkins (Snoddy) Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/827.1 Message Board Post: Denny! I've sent you a couple of emails concerning your search for Thaddeus Knight of Bell County, Texas!! We are looking for the same GGGrandfather!!! Contact me ASAP, PLEASE??!!! :) I'm sooooooo confused as to where to go from here......Maybe we can swap info......See ya!! ~Julie~ PS. I'm being told that Thad's mother was Mvskoke Creek from South Carolina......and that his last name "Knight" may have been changed from "NightBird" (per my Uncle Mike's research)

The name Birdsong is unusual to me except for a classmate in Central High School in Philadelpia, PA class of 1938. You might reach some data through the Alumni Ass'n of that famous school. My ggrandfather, Ulla Onischka d. ca 1930 was Choctaw. Can't find any data on him! ----- Original Message ----- From: "marthjeanp" <marthjeanp@msn.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] BIRDSONG > I am seeking information on teh surname Birdsong that came from Ark., Tenn and Mississippi. I was told that we had Choctaw blood somewhere down the line. I am searching for William Birdsong and Thomas B Birdsong. If anyone can help me I would appreciate it. > > Martha Jean Birdsong Pearson > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > >

Hello list members, I can't seem to find the email that talked about Goins, I think it was, but I came across the following names that may be related: Jim Goin, 451, 980 Betsy Gowin, 392 Japes Gipson and James Goen/James Goen and James Gipson, 27 There are many Gibson's listed in the book by Goss. "...Choctaw Claimants.." It seems there was some kind of relationship involving the Gipsons(Gibsons) and the Goens/Goins. John Craven New Orleans

Hello Imafo, have you ever looked up the name Hopar? I came across in Goss' book. It would probably be a sound-a-like for Harper. Also there are entries in Goss' book under Little Leader(s) and one is the following: Little Leader, or Iskatena, 591 There is no "Hopia" embedded in the name Iskatena so this brings up another language question that pertains to geneaology and that's simply what other words did the Choctaw use for leader besides Hopia? John Craven New Orleans

In a message dated 7/28/2002 6:44:59 PM Central Daylight Time, mmullen8014@mchsi.com writes: > My ggg-grandparents were Moses McLEMORE (1787-1857) and Nancy (Vinnie) > BATISTE (1794-1868). Evidence indicates that Nancy was a full-blood > Choctaw of Mississippi. > > Moses was b. in SC, but moved to Giles Co., TN, and then to Wayne Co., > MS, in 1815. He owned land in Perry, Jones, and Copiah Co MS. He > served in the War of 1812 with the West Tennessee Militia. He died in > Copiah Co MS. > > Nancy was probably b. in MS. At least one census record says SC, but > there is no evidence to support the existence of a Batiste family in > SC. Nancy and Moses married in about 1814-1815, and I suspect they met > while Moses was serving in the War of 1812. > > Various family traditions say that Nancy's grandchildren were 1/4 > Indian, and the early Choctaw Indian rolls for Mississippi show Indian > families using the surname of "Batiste" (various spellings). > > One tradition is as follows: “In 1918 my parents, my brother and I > lived near my Uncle Lillard Coleman and his wife, Alwilda, who was part > Indian. At that time I was 8 years old. I recall their talking about > my g-g-grandparents, the McLemores. Alwilda said Nancy Vinnie Batiste > was the daughter of an Indian Chief in MS. Nothing was written down, so > I only have what I remember hearing.” Also, it has always been said > that my grandmother, Sallie (Fairchild) Smith, was part Indian. Her > parents were first cousins and both were grandchildren of Moses and > Nancy. > > The 1931 Armstrong Roll of Choctaws (in Mississippi), Records of the > Bureau of Indian Affairs, RG 75 (film 1033993) has the following > "Batiste" entries: > > BATTIESE, no acreage, 2 in family, near Capt I. Folsom, in Capt Folsom's > Company, under Chief ---?---. > BATTIECE, William, 3 acres, 7 in family, 2 males over 16, 2 persons > under 10, on Shobatti Creek (E. Side), in Capt. Tamapiyubbia's Company > (Shobatti Creed, W-side), under Chief Netachachi (Chief of the Southern > District, with land on e-side Patkachi Creek). > BAPTEN, Isaac, no acreage, 3 in family, 1 male over 16, 1 person under > 10, on Old Natchez Trace, in Tom Leflore's Company, under Capt. Durant > (Indian), under Chief Greenwood Lefore (Indian). > BATIEST, Benjamin, on Chickasaway River. > BATIEST, Winney, on Chickasaway River. > > That is all I know about my Indian ancestry. If anyone can tell me more > about the Batiste family, it would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you, > > Merritt D. Mullen > Ridgecrest, CA > mmullen8014@mchsi.com > Hello Merritt, I have some more names for you, last names. I was at the library again today and looked in Jos. Gos' book "A Complete List of Choctaw Claimants and Their Heirs" which was first published in 1889 and has since been reprinted by OldBuck Press of Conway, Arkansas. There is nothing under Batiste or Baptiste but there is stuff under the following names: Batteese Battees-favver (favver is spelt with 2 v's) [on page 379 of US records] Battus-farver [listed under page 785 of US records] Batteste Battiece Batis Battiese Battiest Battise I didn't get page numbers or anything for the rest but all of those seem to be corrupted names of the original Batiste. John Craven New Orleans

I am seeking information on teh surname Birdsong that came from Ark., Tenn and Mississippi. I was told that we had Choctaw blood somewhere down the line. I am searching for William Birdsong and Thomas B Birdsong. If anyone can help me I would appreciate it. Martha Jean Birdsong Pearson

Susan: Blue is a name that comes across this list from time to time. There should be others on the list researching this name. Have you tried to contact other BLUE researchers in our archives at: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl You can type in the surname BLUE and get all the messages with that name included in them. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan <jsdelgato@softcom.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Questions about the name Hopiah > > Hi, > > I just began receiving this e-mail this week as a result of a recent > experience that spurred my interest in the Choctaw string of my own > heritage, something I know so little about. I was loving the historical > info and anecdotes that I was reading. If that is now being sent through > another listing, would you please let me know the list so I can continue to > read? > > By the way, all I know of my Choctaw ancestor is the surname Blue and he was > in Louisiana, and probably lived in the northeastern quadrant of the state. > However, my maternal grandmother, who was perhaps 1/8 or less of this > heritage, had the physical Choctaw characteristics. > > Susan > > > Halito All: > > > > The original question is attached. It is clearly > > a genealogical question. That the discussion needed to > > get into history, culture, etc. doesn't change the > > fact that it is being done to answer a genealogical > > question, which if asked on the other site would have > > been referred back to this site. It doesn't make sense > > to chase discussions all over the web, and who would > > do that anyway? It makes more sense that a discussion > > remain where it started. > > As I stated, this is the third time that I have > > been thwarted in pursuing lines of inquiry, and what I > > consider to be important questions about my ancestry > > were not pursued. As in this case, the discussion is > > dropped and the questions will not be answered. So > > what am I doing here? > > I am leaving this list to the purists who are > > watching to make certain that nothing occurs on this > > site but the sterile listing of surnames. > > > > Imafo > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > > http://health.yahoo.com > > --0-1590421475-1027881713=:19392 > > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > > > > X-Apparently-To: imafo2002@yahoo.com via -40.-120.-83.80; 13 Jul 2002 > 23:41:34 -0700 (PDT) > > X-Track: 1: 100 > > Return-Path: <choctaw-southeast-l-request@rootsweb.com> > > Received: from 207.40.200.41 (EHLO lists5.rootsweb.com) (207.40.200.41) > > by mta628.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 23:41:33 -0700 (PDT) > > Received: (from slist@localhost) > > by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id g6E6bk4p031775; > > Sun, 14 Jul 2002 00:37:46 -0600 > > Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 00:37:46 -0600 > > X-Original-Sender: imafo2002@yahoo.com Sun Jul 14 00:37:45 2002 > > Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 23:37:58 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Richard Wilson <imafo2002@yahoo.com> > > Old-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Questions about the name Hopiah > > Resent-Message-ID: <KvYl8.A.wvH.5wRM9@lists5.rootsweb.com> > > To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > > Resent-From: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > > Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > > X-Mailing-List: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/15013 > > X-Loop: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > > Precedence: list > > Resent-Sender: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Content-Length: 686 > > > > Halito All: > > > > My gggg-grandfather John Harper who was said to > > have been full blooded Choctaw was sometimes known as > > Johnnie Hopiah. Now I Know the name Hopiah means > > leader and that it would usually be associated with > > another name, such as Humma. As in Hopiah Humma (Red > > Leader) for example. > > I have noticed that the Tubbees, for example, > > seem to be related. Then at some point they used that > > last part of their name as a surname, i.e. Tubbee. So > > I was wondering if the same thing was going on with > > John Harper. That is, that they were using Hopiah as a > > surname for a while and then had to give it up for > > some reason and started using Harper. I also wanted to > > know if all of the Hopiahs could be related, as it > > appears with the Tubbees, and if I could use this as a > > clue in my searches. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Sincerely: > > Richard Wilson > > Imafo Hopiah > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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From the 1976 copyrighted book of Ralph (a LeFlore descendant) and Alberta McBride, "A Family Makes Its Mark - The LeFlores of Mississippi", is the following: "During the winter of 1829-30, Chief Greenwood headed a party of Choctaws making a visit to the Cherokee Indians. While there he met and married a niece of their chief, John Ross. This wife, Elizabeth Cody, lived only a few months after their arrival in Mississippi". 'Don't know whether that was a typo of Elizabeth Coody's surname or where they got their information. They do not quote their sources. Angelyn ------ Original Message ----- From: The Perkins Family Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2002 9:16am To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] laflore HI Greedwood Laflore is said to have married Betsy Coody. it says there was no children, has any one found anything to contradict this. did she die on the trail or a removal? renee ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking for ancestor's name? Check our archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST

HI Greedwood Laflore is said to have married Betsy Coody. it says there was no children, has any one found anything to contradict this. did she die on the trail or a removal? renee

In a message dated 7/28/2002 6:44:59 PM Central Daylight Time, mmullen8014@mchsi.com writes: > That is all I know about my Indian ancestry. If anyone can tell me more > about the Batiste family, it would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you, > > Merritt D. Mullen > Ridgecrest, CA > mmullen8014@mchsi.com > Hello Merritt, It seems you have got quite a lot to go on already. The southern district of the Choctaw nation was that closest to Mobile and Batiste is obviously a French name from when the French governed area from Mobile to New Orleans. It could have also been a corruption of the name Baptiste of which you will find many in the Sacramental records of either the Diocese of Mobile or the Archdiocese of New Orleans. It is very possible that the marriage between your ancestor Nancy Batiste and Moses McLemore was not Nancy's first marriage. She may have been married to a Batiste (Baptiste) previously and as was often the case back then, her first husband died, perhaps in battle, perhaps from disease, and, especially if she had children, she married again. If you can you may wish to make some inquiries about Batiste's / Baptiste's in the Sacramental Records of Mobile and New Orleans. You know things like the recordings of marriages and baptisms and funerals. If I run across anything that I think may be along the lines of what you are looking for I'll surely post it on this site. John Craven New Orleans

In a message dated 7/28/2002 5:43:05 PM Central Daylight Time, jsdelgato@softcom.net writes: > > By the way, all I know of my Choctaw ancestor is the surname Blue and he was > in Louisiana, and probably lived in the northeastern quadrant of the state. > However, my maternal grandmother, who was perhaps 1/8 or less of this > heritage, had the physical Choctaw characteristics. > > Susan > Hello Susan, the surname Blue has surfaced several times recently on this list so stick around and I think you'll find some emails regarding the Blues that will be of help to you. John Craven New Orleans