In a message dated 8/6/02 7:27:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Lori0602h@aol.com writes: > Anna Allen, John Allen, > Minnie Allen, we do have allan's names jane , fanny , mette, and james what information can you give on yor allan's?

Lori: I find no Trotters who were enrolled as Mississippi Choctaw. Do your records show that they were accepted? dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lori0602h@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:15 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Surnames Being Researched > I'm researching the following surnames: Trotter, Thompson, Allen, Brock and > Ferrill out of Clarke County, MS. I have their enrollment case files for the > Mississippi Choctaws. > > I'm especially interested in the Trotters. My ggg grandmother's father was > Willoughby Trotter and Willoughby's father was Sam Trotter. Both Willoughby > and Sam were born in Choctaw, Alabama. > > Thanks for any help you are able to provide. > > Lori > (lori0602h@aol.com) > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, etc. >

-----Original Message----- From: Marcia Lee [mailto:mlee@uwf.edu] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:57 AM To: 'CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootaweb.com' Subject: Choquopoulou, Mississippi Good morning all, I think I've found it (Choquopoulou, MS)! In a book by S.G. (Grady) Thigpen called "Next Door to Heaven" about Hancock/Pearl River Cos. in MS there is a piece entitled "Achoucoupoulousians" . It has to do with a couple of the largest land claims in south MS. In April of 1783 Louis Boisdore asked Governor Miro for a land grant for Achoucoupoulous in the vicinity of what is now Bay St. Louis, MS. The description was as follows: running from the Philip Saucier plantation on the east up to the Bayou Mosquito Village, formerly inhabited, & running down the length of the Pearl River on the west. The application was approved 26 April 1783. Boisdore said he wanted raise cattle there. In 1808 Boisdore died & his widow tried to get the land surveyed but the surveyor never got it done. The Boidore heirs held onto the land claim. This land was a fifteen mile wide strip running north from the Gulf of Mexico for about forty miles to the 31 degree latitude which runs through Lumberton, MS. With the eastern boundary running through Bay St..Louis, MS, and the western boundary running north from Pearlington, MS to the east of Picayuane, MS. The case of the claim was argued through the MS State Supreme Court & in 1850 it reached the US Supreme Court where it was denied. Nowhere does it say the name was Choctaw or what it meant. Hope this helps, John. Marcie

Halito Carol It is my understanding that you can go to any social security office for the info Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer

I'm researching Candis Thompson Allen, Alexander Allen, Bannister Allen, Earlie Allen, Indiana Allen, Della Allen, Ella Allen, Anna Allen, John Allen, Minnie Allen, Pearl Allen and Oliver "Byrd" Allen. Do we have a connection? Lori

In a message dated 8/6/02 6:15:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Lori0602h@aol.com writes: > What , Allen, Names are you looking for?

I have not seen them, but I think "filing" is the problem...they're not. One of the researchers on our list says all the papers are just crammed in boxes and you have to go through them one by one. Contact Jackie Matte at: matteja@bellsouth.net and see what she knows. She has spent a good bit of time digging in those records. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lori0602h@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Lawsuit against US government in 1919 > Dusty: > > How are these records filed? I would like to see if my ancestors filed a > lawsuit because their enrollment case files from 1901 incidated that they > were representedby an attorney, L. P. Hudson of Hudson & Arnold. > > Thanks, > Lori > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm >

Does anyone have the address of the social security office that you can request a copy of a person's original application for their card. I think there are two different prices, depending on whether you have their ss number or not. Also, approximately what year did the requirement for a card begin? Thank you! Carol

Ms. T. T. Durant: Thank you for contacting me regarding my Thompson line. My gg grandmother was Julia Trotter Thompson. She was born in Alabama and last lived there close to Barrington. Her father and grandfather were full Choctaw. At the time of her interview by the Department of the Interior, Commission to the Five Civilized Tribes, on April 17, 1901 in Meridian, Mississippi, regarding her enrollment in the Mississippi Choctaws, she had been living in Mississippi for 60 years. She was 74 at this time. She was resing in Clarke County with a Hale post office address. I know that she remained in Mississippi and died there. Her husband was Berry Thompson. Her father was Willoughby Trotter and her grandfather was Sam Trotter. My ggg grandmother had 8 children, 6 girls and 2 boys. I have only identified Mary Thompson who married Lewis C. Smith; Margaret Thompson, born about 1846 in MS, married Washington Ferrill; Jane Thompson, born about 1851 in MS, Willoughby Thompson, and then my gg grandmother, Candis Thompson, born May 1852 in MS, and married Alexander Allen on January 14, 1869 in Clarke County. My ancestors basically lived in Clarke County...Shubuta, Quitman, etc. Hope this helps. Let me know if there is a connection. Lori

Yes, it is the one and the same. In addition he and his brother Wesley received land in the supplements. Their younger sister's and brother also received land as orphan allotments, Amelia, Letha and (George) Washington Trahern Genealogy Homepage: http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/index.html Other email address: jenniferhsrn@aol.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <JohnnyMikeCraven@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:20 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] William Trahern -- William Trahorn > Hello AhSweet1, > > previously you wrote in an email: > > "I know my great great grandfather was William > Trahern.......close!" > > you mentioned the name William Trahern but did you know that one of > the signers of the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek was a William Trahorn? > > Could be one and the same person. > > John Craven > New Orleans > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. >

--WebTV-Mail-21810-5381 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit VERY SERIOUSLY INTERESTED IN THE THOMPSON SURNAME, MISS. U R RESEARCHING.MY FATHER WAS BORN IUKA,MS. DO NOT KNOW COUNTY. D.AT 61, 1935 TO PUT HIM IN A TIME FRAME. THANX FOR A RESPONSE. MS.T. T. DURANT --WebTV-Mail-21810-5381 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-2211.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.213.141) by storefull-2235.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.41]) by smtpin-2211.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 0ADCBFE41; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id g76DF9pS019650; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:15:09 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:15:09 -0600 X-Original-Sender: Lori0602h@aol.com Tue Aug 6 07:15:09 2002 From: Lori0602h@aol.com Message-ID: <178.c848042.2a8125d7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:15:03 EDT Old-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Surnames Being Researched Resent-Message-ID: <iGtT9D.A.xyE.dv8T9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/15208 X-Loop: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com I'm researching the following surnames: Trotter, Thompson, Allen, Brock and Ferrill out of Clarke County, MS. I have their enrollment case files for the Mississippi Choctaws. I'm especially interested in the Trotters. My ggg grandmother's father was Willoughby Trotter and Willoughby's father was Sam Trotter. Both Willoughby and Sam were born in Choctaw, Alabama. Thanks for any help you are able to provide. Lori (lori0602h@aol.com) ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, etc. --WebTV-Mail-21810-5381--

I'm researching the following surnames: Trotter, Thompson, Allen, Brock and Ferrill out of Clarke County, MS. I have their enrollment case files for the Mississippi Choctaws. I'm especially interested in the Trotters. My ggg grandmother's father was Willoughby Trotter and Willoughby's father was Sam Trotter. Both Willoughby and Sam were born in Choctaw, Alabama. Thanks for any help you are able to provide. Lori (lori0602h@aol.com)

Thank you John!

Hello AhSweet1, previously you wrote in an email: "I know my great great grandfather was William Trahern.......close!" you mentioned the name William Trahern but did you know that one of the signers of the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek was a William Trahorn? Could be one and the same person. John Craven New Orleans

In a message dated 8/5/2002 10:20:36 PM Central Daylight Time, becrafton@camtel.net writes: > I am also interested in the Perkins, Maricles,Johnson's Sweat's and Paul's > from Louisiana Thanks > Evelyn > Hello Evelyn, the only one of those names I can tell you about is the one I wrote to Mary about in an earlier email and that is Levi Perkins who was one of the signers of the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek. And that's all I have about him. John Craven New Orleans

In a message dated 8/5/2002 7:51:34 PM Central Daylight Time, CoMaMur@msn.com writes: > > Dear Johnny: > > Have you ever seen the name Ivy/Ivey, Perkins, Russell, or Smith in the > book? > > Thank you very much...have hit the proverbial brick wall! > > Mary > > Hello Mary, I seem to remember emailing someone recently about Ivey/Ivy's but I can't place it right now. I don't have the book with me. It's at the library. When I go back to the library, I'll try to find the names again if they are there. Other than that, there was a Levi Perkins who signed the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek on September 27, 1830, so he must have been one of the leaders of the Choctaw. Was he your ancestor? John Craven New Orleans John Craven New Orleans

In a message dated 8/5/2002 8:19:13 AM Central Daylight Time, mlee@uwf.edu writes: > "The Louisiana Supreme Court decision in the case of Adele v. > Beauregard in 1810 explicitly stated that American Indians were persons > of color, and this classification was accepted as valid throughout the > nineteenth century. This meant that until 1870 when antimiscegenation > statutes were repealed by Reconstruction governments, marriages between > Indians and whites were prohibited. Hello Marcie, I've come across several marriage records of Indians to Europeans in the Natchitoches registers which D'Antoni published in 1970 and there is the marriage of my ggg grandfather Bernardo Bourgeois to Isabella Rosa Favre around 1823 or 1824 which apparently was recorded in the Archdiocese of New Orleans but which occured in Mississippi, I think. While Louisiana law was surely different than Mississippi law after 1803 both Mississippi and New Orleans came under the Archdiocese of New Orleans, I think, so it gets confusing. Thanks for posting this. John Craven New Orleans

I am also interested in the Perkins, Maricles,Johnson's Sweat's and Paul's from Louisiana Thanks Evelyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coy/Mary Murphy" <CoMaMur@msn.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Choquopoulou, Mississippi > Dear Johnny: > > Have you ever seen the name Ivy/Ivey, Perkins, Russell, or Smith in the book? > > Thank you very much...have hit the proverbial brick wall! > > Mary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JohnnyMikeCraven@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 8:36 PM > To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Choquopoulou, Mississippi > > In a message dated 8/4/2002 8:48:54 AM Central Daylight Time, > CORINEJOHNSONHUEY@prodigy.net writes: > > > > Hello, John, > > By any stretch of the imagination, could your > > Bourgeois surname possibly be construed as my d-i-l's > > maternal Burgess family? > > > > Corine in Dallas TX > > > > Hello Corine, > > I've seen many wonderful spellings of the Bourgeois name but none were > close to Burgess. Usually, no matter how atrocious the spelling of the name > it is similar in pronounciation or gives the same or a similar sound when > pronounced and that just isn't the case with Burgess/Bourgeois as say > Bourquoi/Bourgeois which is something I have encountered. > > John Craven > New Orleans > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information. Try Judy White's NATIVE AMERICAN RESOURCE CENTER at http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, newsletters, lookups, articles, etc. > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes and spelled correctly. > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > >

Dear Johnny: Have you ever seen the name Ivy/Ivey, Perkins, Russell, or Smith in the book? Thank you very much...have hit the proverbial brick wall! Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: JohnnyMikeCraven@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 8:36 PM To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Choquopoulou, Mississippi In a message dated 8/4/2002 8:48:54 AM Central Daylight Time, CORINEJOHNSONHUEY@prodigy.net writes: > Hello, John, > By any stretch of the imagination, could your > Bourgeois surname possibly be construed as my d-i-l's > maternal Burgess family? > > Corine in Dallas TX > Hello Corine, I've seen many wonderful spellings of the Bourgeois name but none were close to Burgess. Usually, no matter how atrocious the spelling of the name it is similar in pronounciation or gives the same or a similar sound when pronounced and that just isn't the case with Burgess/Bourgeois as say Bourquoi/Bourgeois which is something I have encountered. John Craven New Orleans ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Need more CHOCTAW information. Try Judy White's NATIVE AMERICAN RESOURCE CENTER at http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, newsletters, lookups, articles, etc.

Dusty: How are these records filed? I would like to see if my ancestors filed a lawsuit because their enrollment case files from 1901 incidated that they were representedby an attorney, L. P. Hudson of Hudson & Arnold. Thanks, Lori