I was always told we wanted the copy of the SS5...showing parents and paretn s birth places.......don't think the cheaper one has any of that.PLUS you get a copy of the origional application showing the" signature " anahee pat ShiningWindStar Holoce Hotvle Kococumpv NATIVE AMERICAN HOME FIRES New members by acceptance only! www.yahoogroups.com/group/NativeAmericanHomeFires

Go to Google and put in Dancing Rabbit Creek Treaty. I have seen it on line. It can also be found in library - Charles J. Kappler, ed. Indian Affairs: Laws and Treaties, 2d ed., 2 vols. (Washington , d.C.: Government Printing Office, 1904)2:56-58. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: <JohnnyMikeCraven@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Dancing Rabbit Treaty > In a message dated 8/7/2002 6:10:13 PM Central Daylight Time, > groundwtr@sprintmail.com writes: > > > > > > Where can we find a list of the signers of the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit > > Creek? > > Also were the names PARNELL, PARRISH, or MOSLEY (MOSELY or MOSELEY) > > included > > in Goss' book? > > Thanks, EB > > > > Hello EB, > > the list I have comes from a book I found in the library entitled: > > Records of Choctaw Trading Post > St. Stephens, Mississippi Territory > Book 2 > by Strickland and Edwards, 1990 > > Where else it may be found I don't know. The last know address that I > have for Jean Strickland who co-authored book 2 was given as P.O. Box 5147, > Moss Point, Ms. 39563. > > I don't have the pages of Goss' book that would have the names you are > interested in but when I go to the library I'll see if it has anything. I'll > let you know if it does unless someone else who has the book can look it up > for you before then. > > John Craven > New Orleans > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Solomon Wheat was in Mississippi Territory by 1806. His land was located near present-day Alabama-Mississippi stateline-- Township 5, Range 1 West, St. Stephens Meridian. He may have had a Choctaw family --oral history, no written proof. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: <anastasha7@msn.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Choctaw Wheats > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Wheat, Baggs, Rainey, Longstreet > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/962 > > Message Board Post: > > My Great Grandfather, Newton Alexander Wheat, was born in Choctaw Nation Indian Territory on 4-13-1875. He married Mary Ellen Baggs (b. 1-22-1875) on 12-25-1892. Does anyone have any information about the Wheat family line? > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > >

When I was a child we use to drive over the big tall bridge at Alexandria to go to Tullos LA it sits off to the north east of Alexandria. ----- Original Message ----- From: <maryp@theriver.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:48 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Re: Looking for Louisiana Tullos descendants > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/961.1.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > No. Jena is located in La Salle Parish. There is a town called Tullos in La Salle Parish also. The nearest Metro area to Jena is Alexndria and to Tullos is Monroe. > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, etc. > >

Hehe John that's the truth! I just finished reading a book on Coushatta they had come to Louisiana to get away from the government before the forced move ever occurred stayed in various places but when the Louisiana purchase occurred they went over into Texas lived there in several places then combined with the Alabama thus Alabama-Coushatta reservation today though a group went back into Louisiana and now reside in and around Elton ,Louisiana,where their casino is now located, ----- Original Message ----- From: <JohnnyMikeCraven@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Surnames Being Researched for T. T. Durant > In a message dated 8/7/2002 5:53:21 PM Central Daylight Time, > Lori0602h@aol.com writes: > > > > Texas is so close to Mississipppi that your kinsmen could be > > related. > > From what I hear, Lori, Texas is a whole other country. > > John Craven > New Orleans > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the list. Write to me, the listowner, at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com >

Thank you Donna. When I received a copy of my grandfather's application for his ss card I was excited to learn his parent's names as no one knew what they were.

I recently sent for my grandfather's SSN application. Be warned, there is precious little information on them back around 1938. It took several weeks to arrive. Social Security Administration Office of Central Records Operations FOIA Workgroup P.O. Box 17772 300 N. Greene Street Baltimore, MD 21290 Donna __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

Hello, I am seeking the parents of my relative as well. Did you get the copy of the original SS-5application or the abbreviated NUMIDENT printout? Do you know if both of these would have the parents names? How much did you pay? Please let me hear from you at marthjeanp@msnc.com Martha Jean Birdsong ----- Original Message ----- From: <AhSweet1@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:46 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] question > Thank you Donna. When I received a copy of my grandfather's application for > his ss card I was excited to learn his parent's names as no one knew what > they were. > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Dear Donna, What is the difference in the 2 different types of social security records that you can get. One is the copy of the social security application SS-5 and the other is an abbreviated NUMIDENT printout which is cheaper. Will both have the parents listed or do you know. Please let me know what information you have on this subject. Thank you. marthjeanp@msn.com Martha Jean Birdsong ----- Original Message ----- From: <MrsSpray@netscape.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] question > I recently sent for my grandfather's SSN application. Be warned, there is precious little information on them back around 1938. It took several weeks to arrive. > > Social Security Administration > Office of Central Records Operations > FOIA Workgroup > P.O. Box 17772 > 300 N. Greene Street > Baltimore, MD 21290 > > Donna > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > >

In a message dated 8/7/2002 5:53:21 PM Central Daylight Time, Lori0602h@aol.com writes: > Texas is so close to Mississipppi that your kinsmen could be > related. From what I hear, Lori, Texas is a whole other country. John Craven New Orleans

In a message dated 8/7/2002 6:10:13 PM Central Daylight Time, groundwtr@sprintmail.com writes: > > Where can we find a list of the signers of the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit > Creek? > Also were the names PARNELL, PARRISH, or MOSLEY (MOSELY or MOSELEY) > included > in Goss' book? > Thanks, EB > Hello EB, the list I have comes from a book I found in the library entitled: Records of Choctaw Trading Post St. Stephens, Mississippi Territory Book 2 by Strickland and Edwards, 1990 Where else it may be found I don't know. The last know address that I have for Jean Strickland who co-authored book 2 was given as P.O. Box 5147, Moss Point, Ms. 39563. I don't have the pages of Goss' book that would have the names you are interested in but when I go to the library I'll see if it has anything. I'll let you know if it does unless someone else who has the book can look it up for you before then. John Craven New Orleans

In a message dated 8/7/2002 10:01:08 AM Central Daylight Time, mlee@uwf.edu writes: > > > Good morning all, > > I think I've found it (Choquopoulou, MS)! In a book by S.G. > (Grady) Thigpen called "Next Door to Heaven" about Hancock/Pearl River > Cos. in MS there is a piece entitled "Achoucoupoulousians" . It has to > do with a couple of the largest land claims in south MS. In April of > 1783 Louis Boisdore asked Governor Miro for a land grant for > Achoucoupoulous in the vicinity of what is now Bay St. Louis, MS. The > description was as follows: running from the Philip Saucier plantation > on the east up to the Bayou Mosquito Village, formerly inhabited, & > running down the length of the Pearl River on the west. The application > was approved 26 April 1783. Boisdore said he wanted raise cattle there. > In 1808 Boisdore died & his widow tried to get the land surveyed but the > surveyor never got it done. The Boidore heirs held onto the land claim. > This land was a fifteen mile wide strip running north from the Gulf of > Mexico for about forty miles to the 31 degree latitude which runs > through Lumberton, MS. With the eastern boundary running through Bay > St..Louis, MS, and the western boundary running north from Pearlington, > MS to the east of Picayuane, MS. The case of the claim was argued > through the MS State Supreme Court & in 1850 it reached the US Supreme > Court where it was denied. > > Nowhere does it say the name was Choctaw or what it meant. Hope > this helps, John. > > Marcie > > Thanks a great deal Marcie. I think that helps a lot. I don't know of the Bourgeois side of my family having any relationship to the Boisdore's that you mention. Perhaps the Favre's did had a relationship which I think is more likely or perhaps one of the Ladner's did. In the Dispensation records that I've found where Francois (Francisco) Bourgeois sought a dispensation to marry his 3rd cousin, who was a Ladner, in 1801, and it says that someone had to sign for him since he didn't know how and he was poor and they were living in Bay St. Louis but were to be married in Mobile. I also found a citation for a dispensation for his father-in-law who lived in Chucupulu, Miss. to marry his 3rd cousin and one for a Fayard who lived in Choquopoulou, Miss., to marry her 3rd cousin. Francois Bourgeois' mother was a Fayard and probably a sister or cousin of this Fayard mentioned in the dispensation records. So, I would think that the Chucupulu or Choquopoulou, Miss. place names are one and the same as the one you found, Achoucoupoulous. If it is not a Choctaw name, it is certainly an Indian name. It is similar to the name Tchoupitoulas, I think, which was the name of an Indian tribe around New Orleans and is has been a famous street name here in New Orleans for as long as I've know. There is the joke about the policeman in New Orleans who went to an accident on Tchoupitoulas St. and he couldn't spell the name so he had the accident relocated to Camp St. a block away so he could fill out his report. When I was little, my grandfather, Oswald Bourgeois, would take me for trips to Waveland and Bay St. Louis. He had a little strip of land there that was about 300 feet long and 50 feet wide that he inherited from his father. It would have made a good street. He never inherited much from his father's will and after my grandfather died my aunt eventually sold the land that my grandfather inherited because she really couldn't keep it up. My grandfather lived most of his adult life of 82 years in New Orleans and retired as the head boiler maker / machinist of the old Jax Brewery on Decatur St. in the French Quarter. Probably he didn't inherit too much because his sisters didn't approve of my grandmother who didn't hold her tongue for them. And something similar happened with my grandfather's brother, Robert, who married a girl that his sisters didn't cotton to. I guess that was some of the Choctaw culture coming through with my grand aunts' disapproval of my grandmother and her sister-in-law. Robert's son, Robert Clark, who flew with Doolittle over Tokyo, looked remarkably like my grandfather when he got older. My grandfather outlived all of his brothers and sisters. He had seven siblings. In any event, my grandfather used to tell me as we drove along the highway between Pearl River and Bay St. Louis that either his father or his grandfather once owned all that land and to me it looked to be as far as the eye could see for miles and miles but my grandfather told me that most all of it got sold to the railroad over the years before he was born. He was born in 1900. I think all the land came to my great grandfather or great great grandfather either through Bernardo Bourgeois' marriage to Isabella Farve or through Bernardo's father's marriage to one of the Ladner's in Mobile. I really don't know. I do know that when Alexis Farve grew old, Bernardo became executor of his father-in-law Alexis Farve's property which Alexis inherited from Simon Farve. Whether it was the same as the land grant you mentioned I don't know. It could have been. But it could have been a different land grant. As I've seen in the book "Dancing Rabbit" by Broox Sledge, the Choctaw nation's land once went as far as the Gulf of Mexico so Achoucoupoulous may well be a Choctaw name from a time before the various treaties separated the Choctaw from their land. Once again, Marcie, thanks for finding this info out. I appreciate it. John Craven New Orleans

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/961.1.1.1 Message Board Post: No. Jena is located in La Salle Parish. There is a town called Tullos in La Salle Parish also. The nearest Metro area to Jena is Alexndria and to Tullos is Monroe.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Tullos Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/961.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you, Mary for the information. I will check into that. Is Jena LA near Castor, LA? Connie

In a message dated 8/6/02 7:27:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Lori0602h@aol.com writes: > > I'm researching Candis Thompson Allen, Alexander Allen, Bannister Allen, > Earlie Allen, Indiana Allen, Della Allen, Ella Allen, Anna Allen, John > Allen, > Minnie Allen, Pearl Allen and Oliver "Byrd" Allen. Do we have a > connection? > > Lori > > what can you tell me about minnie allan Andrew

Wish I could help you but I don't have that name any where on my tree I'll keep looking though, Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: <Firedancer4@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Looking for Louisiana Tullos descendants > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/961 > > Message Board Post: > > Hi, I am looking for any information on Tullos from Louisiana. my maternal grandmother was Sadie E. Tullos. I am not sure if Sadie was a nickname or her given name. She lived in Castor, La (Bienville Parish). I am trying to find out if she has Native American ancestry. I remember hearing as a child that she was part Indian ( I can't remember if they said Cherokee or Choctaw) Any information would be greatly appreciated. I don't have any dates of birth or location, but she was married to Benjamin F. Rigdon and she died in Aug. 1982. > > Thank You, > > Connie Dove > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com >

I am searching the name of James Morrow (my grandfather) married to Sarah Wilson. Possibly lived in Kosse (Limestone co Texas at one time. One or maybe both were to have been of Choctaw descent. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, NellGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Pam: By your screen name I am assuming you are in Oklahoma? Carol in Oklahoma

My mother was a Tullos her grandfather founded Tullos.One of my cousins lived in Jena ----- Original Message ----- From: <maryp@theriver.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:46 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Re: Looking for Louisiana Tullos descendants > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/961.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Check Jena, Louisiana Phone Book for Tullos. Worked with a Tullos from there a long time ago. > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm >

On Tuesday, August 6, 2002, at 10:00 PM, CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-D- request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Does anyone have the address of the social security office that you can > request a copy of a person's original application for their card. I > think > there are two different prices, depending on whether you have their ss > number > or not. Also, approximately what year did the requirement for a card > begin? > Thank you! > Carol The answer to you questions can be found on the online Social Security site. Your particular question about how to order a copy of the application and how much it costs is at: http://ssa.custhelp.com/cgi- bin/ssa.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=wEjZF8mg&p_lva=&p_faqid=138&p_created= 955621953&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTMxJnBfY2F0X2x2bDE9MjAmcF9wYWdlPTE* &p_li= (Wow! Long URL) Or just go to the Social Security home page at: http://www.ssa.gov/ and in the "Questions" box near the top, select "Miscellaneous" and hit "Go". Subject #6 is the one you want. You may find some of the other subjects interesting as well. As to when SS started, the first cards were issued in 1936, but many occupations did not require them at first. It was probably after 1950 that most people started needing a SS card. Merritt