--WebTV-Mail-30190-588 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit DUSTY: WHEN WEBTV CHANGED TO MSN, KEPT MY WEBTV EMAIL ADDRESS AS WEBTV.NET. NEVER A PROBLEM 'TIL THIS MORNING WHEN SENT MAIL WAS RETURNED "UNDELIVERABLE " THIS IS WHAT I READ : MESSAGE FROM INTERSCAN E-MAIL VIRUSWALL NT . 'PUTER ILLITERATE THAT I AM, IS A VIRUS AT WORK (OR PLAY ) HERE ? --WebTV-Mail-30190-588 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-2102.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.213.112) by storefull-2232.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.41]) by smtpin-2102.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 6D0C7FE3F; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id g7AGXehF022177; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:33:40 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:33:40 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dustyc@microgear.net Sat Aug 10 10:33:40 2002 Message-ID: <00f101c2408b$a2fe45c0$1daf4a3f@dustyc> From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> Old-To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> References: <DAV35PzYrLUAu9Ej1eC00030205@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:24:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] From List Admin: BOUNCES Resent-Message-ID: <eU-BQB.A.TaF.kBUV9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/15320 X-Loop: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com OK, thanks! Something very strange is going on with msn.com...I'm trying to get it corrected. Please bear with me while I work this out. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Nell Davis <nelld5@msn.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] From List Admin: BOUNCES > > I don't have a hotmail address. It's still Nelld5@msn.com > Nell ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the list. Write to me, the listowner, at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com --WebTV-Mail-30190-588--

--WebTV-Mail-26394-945 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit THANX, RON : UNBELIEVABLE HOW MANY "JAMES FRANKLIN THOMPSONS" R NOT FROM IUKA,TISHOMINGO CO.,MS. --WebTV-Mail-26394-945 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-2206.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.213.136) by storefull-2231.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.41]) by smtpin-2206.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 1EA99FE21; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id g7AHVU3A004078; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:31:30 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:31:30 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LPSRLS@aol.com Sat Aug 10 11:31:30 2002 From: LPSRLS@aol.com Message-ID: <1a5.68cae8c.2a86a7db@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:31:07 EDT Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Surnames Being Researched Old-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: <tUPMMD.A.d_.y3UV9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/15322 X-Loop: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com Iuka Ms. is in Tishomingo county Ms.- north east corner next to Alabama line and TomBigBee river. Ron ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking for ancestor's name? Check our archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST --WebTV-Mail-26394-945--

If anyone has info on Hedges I'd love to hear. My grandfather,Marcus Hedges, married Josie DeLoach who was the daughter of Hannah Trahern Deloach who was the daughter of William and Rebecca Trahern(Choctaw lineage).

where these choctaw or or chickasaw or a combo of them? george ann gregory wrote: > > Wow! My grandmother's maiden name may have been Hedges, and according to one > census she was born in Illinois. I have seen one book that stated there was > a colony of Choctaw in Illinois. > > George Ann > > >From: AhSweet1@aol.com > >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Rogers > >Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:02:51 EDT > > > >Gentledoe317, > > I don't have a Rogers in my family line, but if it helps you - so > >many > >people are in your situation. I was always told my grandfather(Marcus > >Hedges) > >was from Hannibal, Missouri. After I got a copy of his application for his > >social security card, it said Illinois. So researching Illinois census I > >found more information. I did discover Hannibal, Missouri is only a few > >hundred miles from Illinois......maybe he was born in Missouri and raised > >in > >Illinois or vice-versa. > > > > Carol > > > > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > >Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at > >http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, etc. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com

OK, thanks! Something very strange is going on with msn.com...I'm trying to get it corrected. Please bear with me while I work this out. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: Nell Davis <nelld5@msn.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] From List Admin: BOUNCES > > I don't have a hotmail address. It's still Nelld5@msn.com > Nell

Thanks for your insight, George Ann. I'll hop on this right away. Lori

Thanks, George Ann! Lori

George Ann: Is there a record of the letters documented anywhere? Thanks, Lori

I want to compliment the list and administrator for sharing information and being so helpful. I'm so glad I joined this list. All of your are so very special to me. Thanks to all for your support. Lori

In a message dated 8/9/2002 5:00:44 AM Central Daylight Time, Lenabrat1@aol.com writes: > I thought they were done with messing with us long > ago. I guess not. I think you're right Leanna John Craven New Orleans

In a message dated 8/9/2002 5:00:44 AM Central Daylight Time, Lenabrat1@aol.com writes: > I will pray to that it will not prevail. Thanks Lena, maybe that's all we can do is pray. John Craven New Orleans

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I don't have a hotmail address. It's still Nelld5@msn.com Nell ----- Original Message ----- From: ANGELYN CUNNINGHAM Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:26 PM To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CHOCTAW-SE] From List Admin: BOUNCES Dusty, after MSN deleted my address book in its entirety, they gave me a hotmail address - which I thoroughly disliked. Anyway, my "regular" e-mail address is still 'viable' and my address book has been restored. angelync@msn.com ------ Original Message ----- From: george ann gregory Sent: Fri, Aug 9, 2002 4:35pm To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] From List Admin: BOUNCES That probably means they have exceeded their limit. Since hotmail is a free service, there is a size limit on the memory. George Ann >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] From List Admin: BOUNCES >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:10:41 -0500 > >I received 37 bounces on these addresses today. I'm going to have to >unsubscribe them, as something is apparently wrong at the ISP level: > >. > > nightwalkier@hotmail.msn.com > A_Vivian@hotmail.msn.com > angelync@hotmail.msn.com > anastasha7@hotmail.msn.com > nelld5@hotmail.msn.com > Hanan45@hotmail.msn.com > >dusty >List Admin. > > > > > > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== >DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking for ancestor's name? >Check our archives at: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, etc. ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== To subscribe to CHAHTA-L list discussions on history, culture, language. Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes, nothing in the subject line, turn off signatures. Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures.......Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

As I recall, it was the more traditional, full-bloods who wanted to stay in Mississippi; hence, the reason why the Mississippi Choctaw still have most of their language and customs. George Ann >From: GARBERCNS@aol.com >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Re: Choctaws in MS >Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:19:43 EDT > >I don't think anyone is contending that the Choctaws had much choice about >signing the treaty. Indians in many states in the southeast had already >been >legally deprived of their civil rights by the individual states--Alabama, >Georgia, etc. For example, an Indian could not testify in court against a >white person; hence, white folks could steal his property, assault him, >etc., >at will. So there wasn't really much choice. And it should be remembered >that many Choctaws were not in Mississippi but in Alabama along the >Tombigbee >River. > >The point is that the federal government made treaties with the Indians >that >were not properly administered by individuals within the states and >localities because of incompetence and greed. It is at this point that we >find first asserted in a legal context the principle of "states' rights" >with >regard to the supposed right of the state to disregard federal treaties and >decisions by federal courts. > >The Choctaws who remained in Mississippi (and elsewhere) were likely mostly >of mixed blood or married to whites. The treaty specified that they could >become citizens and provided land for them that was to be allocated to them >before the cession was generally available for settlement by the whites. >These people stayed where they were based on these assurances. However, the >federal government failed to live up to its promises. And there was >effectively no recourse for these people. > >Kitty > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== >Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the >list. Write to me, the listowner, at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

I don't know if the Oklahoma Choctaw ever did this, but the Cherokee regularly had membership drives (through the 1950's). George Ann >From: Lori0602h@aol.com >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Choctaw removals >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:42:15 EDT > >Dusty: > >Thanks for sharing the titles of these books. I will make a point of >reading >them as I'm sure they will provide great insight. > >As for the letter, my grandmother was 5-years old when her father filed >enrollment in 1901. Some of her siblings, who were not born yet, were not >listed in Bannister Allen's case file. Therefore, something had to happen >after the 1902 rejection for them to have received the letter. I assume, >but >do not know for certain, exactly when the letter was received and from >where. > My grandmother died in Chicago in 1974. One of her nieces is still >alive. >She knows that her mother, who had not yet been born in 1901, had received >one of the letters I'm referring to. I hope you can understand my >hesitation >and my need to know. > >Again, thanks for the titles. > >Lori > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

That probably means they have exceeded their limit. Since hotmail is a free service, there is a size limit on the memory. George Ann >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] From List Admin: BOUNCES >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:10:41 -0500 > >I received 37 bounces on these addresses today. I'm going to have to >unsubscribe them, as something is apparently wrong at the ISP level: > >. > > nightwalkier@hotmail.msn.com > A_Vivian@hotmail.msn.com > angelync@hotmail.msn.com > anastasha7@hotmail.msn.com > nelld5@hotmail.msn.com > Hanan45@hotmail.msn.com > >dusty >List Admin. > > > > > > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== >DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking for ancestor's name? >Check our archives at: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

I understand that at the request of the US govt the Oklahoma Choctaw sent regular invitations to their Mississippi relatives to join them. George Ann >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Choctaw removals >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:10:11 -0500 > >Since there was no Mississippi Band until the 1940's they couldn't have >issued a letter about the removals to Oklahoma in the previous century. > >The US government issued notifications and sent agents into Choctaw >territory to inform everyone (they claimed), but the removals process with >the Choctaws in Miss/Ala was so full of skullduggery and "selective" >registration, that books have been written about it. i suggest you read >"The Removal of the Choctaw Indians" by Arthur DeRosier, Jr. and Angi >Debo's >"And Still the Waters Run - The Betrayal of the Five Civilized Tribes". >These books can give you more detail about what happened. Another good >read >is "The Rise and Fall of the Choctaw Republic" by Debo. > >dusty > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Lori0602h@aol.com> >To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:28 PM >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Surnames Being Researched > > > > Dusty: > > > > Perhaps I used the term "Mississippi Choctaws" loosely. However, this >is >the > > way it was stated in the case files. > > > > By chance, do you know if the Mississippi Band issued a letter to >possible > > members (for lack of a better word) inviting them to relocate to >Oklahoma >or > > remain in Mississippi? This letter thing has had me puzzled for years. >Can > > you give me some direction on this? > > > > Thanks, > > Lori > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >and spelled correctly. > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== >Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW >Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Dusty, after MSN deleted my address book in its entirety, they gave me a hotmail address - which I thoroughly disliked. Anyway, my "regular" e-mail address is still 'viable' and my address book has been restored. angelync@msn.com ------ Original Message ----- From: george ann gregory Sent: Fri, Aug 9, 2002 4:35pm To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] From List Admin: BOUNCES That probably means they have exceeded their limit. Since hotmail is a free service, there is a size limit on the memory. George Ann >From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] From List Admin: BOUNCES >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:10:41 -0500 > >I received 37 bounces on these addresses today. I'm going to have to >unsubscribe them, as something is apparently wrong at the ISP level: > >. > > nightwalkier@hotmail.msn.com > A_Vivian@hotmail.msn.com > angelync@hotmail.msn.com > anastasha7@hotmail.msn.com > nelld5@hotmail.msn.com > Hanan45@hotmail.msn.com > >dusty >List Admin. > > > > > > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== >DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking for ancestor's name? >Check our archives at: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, etc.

Gentledoe317, I don't have a Rogers in my family line, but if it helps you - so many people are in your situation. I was always told my grandfather(Marcus Hedges) was from Hannibal, Missouri. After I got a copy of his application for his social security card, it said Illinois. So researching Illinois census I found more information. I did discover Hannibal, Missouri is only a few hundred miles from Illinois......maybe he was born in Missouri and raised in Illinois or vice-versa. Carol

i dont really have any info for you...but your posting just really caught my attention. my grandmother was cumi iowa rogers. no one ever knew who her father was, it was a very well kept secret. but what caught my attention was that other people doing the family search on the rogers family, swear that cumi's birth certificate says cumi iowa cornelia or cornelius rogers. when i asked my grandmother about it she said that was a lie. she just died recently, so i guess it is time for me to get a copy of her birth certificate. i took her word for it and i never bothered to get it. now you have me curious....cumi was 95 years old when she passed away. thank you for the push on my curious buttons.....darlene