In a message dated 8/18/2002 10:25:45 AM Central Daylight Time, jwhite@unitedwestern.net writes: > John, > In answer to your question, all the lists are having problems, but Rootsweb > said it should be fixed soon!! > Judy > > Thanks Judy, I thought it might be something like that but I just wanted to make sure it wasn't only me. I should be sending you something soon about the Natchitoches Records for your consideration. Within the next week or two without any unforeseen delays. John Craven New Orleans

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Rouse and ? Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/965 Message Board Post: My GGG-Grandma Sabra (maiden name unknown) was born 1794 in North Carolina. She married my GGG-Grandpa John Rouse born 1790 North Carolina. Believe they came from Moore Co. North Carolina. They had at least one son Ely Rouse born 1826 North Carolina before they moved to Georgia (the state). between 1826 and 1829. Sabra is a very beautiful and unusual name , we were trying to place It's origin. Thank you for any input you may have . Sorry I don't have a lot of info on the North Carolina period, we haven't been researching long. Deborah

Lori, I don't know how to get to the other website for this. I have two of the flutes he makes. His hand work is magnificent, as is his music. We found his flutes in Taos, NM. He signs each piece. Jeanie Allen Davis Poetry, Texas

This email is repeated. I responded before sending the email regarding Robert Mirabal but it hasn't displayed yet. Evidently some email is going through and others are not. Lori

List Members: Channel 11 - WTTW in Chicago held a telethong last night. The entertainment was the fabulous Robert Mirabal, a Native American. The music, dance, attire, etc. was mind blowing. I had never seen or heard of him. He is now one of my favorite entertainers. He has a CD titled "Music From A Painted Cave" that I think everyone would want to have. I would like the video. Has anyone else seen or heard of Robert Mirabal? Lori

John, In answer to your question, all the lists are having problems, but Rootsweb said it should be fixed soon!! Judy

Hi Lori... Yes, I have heard and seen Robert Mirabal... He appears on our Public Broadcasting channel here in Oregon....I agree with you...He is awesome... and yes, I think everyone would enjoy seeing him perform... Marilyn Oregon... ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lori0602h@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 8:02 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Saw Robert Mirabal Last Night on TV > List Members: > > Channel 11 - WTTW in Chicago held a telethong last night. The entertainment > was the fabulous Robert Mirabal, a Native American. The music, dance, > attire, etc. was mind blowing. I had never seen or heard of him. He is now > one of my favorite entertainers. He has a CD titled "Music From A Painted > Cave" that I think everyone would want to have. I would like the video. Has > anyone else seen or heard of Robert Mirabal? > > Lori > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes and spelled correctly. > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures.......

Hello everyone, the last email I got from Choctaw-Southeast was from Lori at 8:22am yesterday morning, 8/17/2002. Is Choctaw-Southeast offline? I checked my email system with AOL and they were able to send me emails. Does any of you know what is happening with the emails from Choctaw-Southeast? John Craven New Orleans

Hello List Members, I went by the Confederate War Museum today to see if it was still open because a relative of mine from Alabama wanted me to look up some of his great grandfathers who fought in the Civil War. Thankfully, it was still open and I was able to research the names he gave me and came up with some excellent info about them. The museum has books of Rolls of Louisiana Confederate Soldiers and Louisiana Commands with thousands of names and little paragraphs of info about each name. While there, the curator showed me the most recent issue of Confederate Veteran Magazine, Vol. Four, 2002, which had the following very long article inside: "War Whoops & Battle Cries: Native American Involvement in the War" by Robert P. Broadwater. This article is 25 pages long. It seems to be excellently researched and does mention the Five Civilized Tribes, the 1st Cherokee Mounted Rifles, CSA, Chief Little Crow, Ely Parker and others. The article asks: "Why did they fight? What were their reasons for going to war when neither side offered to make them equals in the white controlled society?" If you are interested in obtaining this article you can contact the Sons of the Confederate Veterans web site at http://www.scv.org While I was at the Confederate Museum, I learned that the museum was a lot older than I thought. I was under the impression it was around since the 1930's but it was actually opened on the anniversary of the Battle of New Orleans on January 8, 1891, making it over 111 years old. It is the second largest Civil War collection in the nation only behind the one in Richmond, Virginia. The building it is in was specifically constructed for the purpose of housing the Confederate War Museum and the opening dedication address by the man who donated the building, Frank T. Howard, who donated a library to Tulane Univesity, clearly states this. "It is with deep satisfaction that I perform the act of formally putting into your possession the Building which while it is an Adjunct of the Howard Memorial Library Association, is to be set apart forever for the use of your organization." -- Frank T. Howard at the dedication of the Confederate Memorial Hall, January 8, 1891. It's important that archival records of Confederate Memorial Hall never be lost to the political correctness of our day with the following example in mind. I also went to the Louisiana State Museum at The Cabildo here in the French Quarter to look into the availability of the Archives of Spanish West Florida, 1782 to 1810. I was told that these records are kept at the US Mint here in New Orleans and is only available by appointment and at specific times during the week. I do not know if you must be a credentialled geneaologist or historian to view them but obviously access to these records is limited. And this will happen to the records of Confederate Memorial Hall if they are forced to relinquish their possessions fo the University of New Orleans foundation. They will be locked away never to be seen again except by those who are deemed worthy to look at them. You all need to be aware of this if you come across ancestors who served in the Civil War and need help in finding out more info about them. John Craven New Orleans

Yokoke, John: These are certainly valuable books. I've identified some that I'd like to have in my library. Again, thanks for sharing. Lori

Welcome Lori Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer

Yakoke means thank you Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer

Hello List Members, the following list of what's available at the Oldbuck Press website on Indians will be helpful to some of you if not all of you, I think. At lest I hope it will be. There web site is found very easily by doing a search for Oldbuck Press. John Craven New Orleans Listings from Oldbuck Press website: Leaders and Leading Men of the Indian Territory by H.F. O'Beirne, 326 pages text, illus., indexed, [1891] reprinted 1994. This work is commonly known as the Indian Territory "Goodspeed". Filled with hundreds of biographies, family sketches and photographs this is a one of a kind item. The sketches are of Choctaw, Chickasaw, Cherokee and non-Indian residents of the Indian Territory and take many of the families back to the Clan from which they came. A full index reveals thousands of hidden names. An original copy of this fine work would cost over $150.00, if it could be located. Item # LA90541 $49.95 Cloth Choctaw Claimants and Their Heirs Edited by Joe R. Goss. 193 pages, index, [1889] 1992. Over 16,000 names of all recorded claimants prior to1889. Originally published by Robert D. Patterson Stationary Co., St. Louis, Missouri in 1889, this work is very difficult to find in the original edition. Included in this work is a complete alphabetical listing of all names, a selected bibliography, listing of all treaties made between the United States and the Choctaw Nation, as well as instructions on how to locate the original records within the National Archives. Item # CCH90029 Cloth $34.00 Item # CCS90037 Paper $26.00 The Choctaw Academy Official Correspondence, 1825 - 1841 Comp. by Joe R. Goss. 189 pages, index, 1992. Established in 1825, this early Indian school, located in Scott Co., Kentucky, was the first major effort on the part if the Choctaw Nation to give the future leaders of the Nation a higher education. In existence for 15 years the school was surrounded in controversy. A short history of the Academy is included in this work. These official government, individual and Indian Nation documents are a hidden treasure for most historical and genealogical researchers. Difficult to locate and not indexed in their original condition, this work is now fully indexed and made accessible to even the novice researcher. Item # CAH90002 Cloth $32.00 Item # CAS90010 Paper $24.00 The Cherokees of The Smoky Mountains By Horace Kephart. 38 pages, illus., index, [1938] reprinted 1993. This is a brief history of the Cherokee Indians with special emphasis being placed on those that resided in what is now North Carolina and Tennessee. A large part of the work addresses the forced removal of the Cherokee and the refusal to migrate of a small band under the leadership of Yonaguska. Though not a lengthy work it is very informative and will make a nice addition to any collection of Native American materials. Only available in paper. Item # CA90509 $5.95 + $2.00 shipping Life Among the Choctaws By Henry C. Benson. 324 pages, index, [1860] reprinted 1993. This very rare and highly regarded work by Benson is much sought after and to our knowledge has never been reprinted. Benson, a minister in the Methodist Episcopal Church, writes of the Choctaws history, social habits, education, religious life, and forced removal. He describes in detail such things as weddings, camp meetings and funerals. A great cultural history of the Choctaw Indians other tribes are mentioned. Item # LAH9055X Cloth $36.95 Item # LAS90568 Paper $18.95 Reminiscences of the Indians by Cephas W. Washburn, 234 pages text, illus., indexed, [1869] reprinted 1994. This is the history of life and work among the Cherokee Indians west of the Mississippi from 1819 to 1863. Washburn was a missionary to the Cherokee sent by the American Board of Foreign Missions and served as Superintendent of the Dwight Mission in what is now Arkansas. This is a very interesting account and quite valuable to genealogical as well as historical researchers. A brief biography of Mr. Washburn is included in the work. Item #ROH90517 Cloth 34.95 Item # ROS90525 Paper $15.95 Records of the Cherokee Agency in Tennessee 1801- 1835 84 pages. By Marybelle W. Chase, This book has miscellaneous lists and registers of names that have been extracted from the 14 rolls of microfilm of the agency records. These lists include claims, list of improvements, emigration records, settlers on Cherokee land in Georgia, etc. Book is indexed has soft cover. Item # ROCA $10.00 Index to Payment Roll for Old Settler Cherokee 1896 41 pages. By Marybelle W. Chase This index has over 2,000 names. These Old Settler Cherokees won a settlement for their lands, and were paid in 1896. Book is stapled and has soft cover. Item # ITCP $7.50 Index to Civil War Service Records--Watie's Cherokee Regiments 32 pages By Marybelle W. Chase, Index lists the 1st Cherokee Mounted Volunteers, Holt's Squadron, and the 2nd Cherokee Mounted Volunteers. Gives name and soldier, rank, and company number. Has soft cover and stapled. Item # ITCW $7.50 1851 Cherokee Old Settlers Annuity Roll 132 pages. By Marybelle W. Chase This roll indicates names of family members, group number, total number in family, minor or orphan children, the names of individuals who signed for money due the minors and orphans. There is also a remarks column which sometimes gives additional information. Item # COSA $18.00 Indian Home Guards Civil War Service Records 203 pages. By Marybelle W. Chase This is an index to the compiled service records of Indians who served the Union army during the Civil War. This includes the 1st Regiment composed principally of Creek Indians, the 2nd of Osages and Cherokees, and the 3rd of Creeks and Cherokees. Included are names of the soldiers, company number, regiment, and rank. Item # IHG $20.00 Native Cemeteries and Forms of Burial East of the Mississippi By David Bushnell, Jr., 160 pages, illus., indexed, [1920] reprinted 1994. Native American burial sites and practices is the subject of this work originally published by the Bureau of American Ethnology. Forms of burial varied from tribe to tribe and these customs help to identify the former occupants of burial sites. A very interesting work and wonderfully illustrated covering areas from New England to Ohio to Mississippi. Groups include the Delaware, Sioux, Huronand Iroquois as well as the Five Nations and others. Item # NCH90703 Cloth $34.95 Item # NCS90711 Paper $10.95 The Confederate Cherokees: John Drew's Regiment of Mounted Rifles By W. Craig Gaines. 200 pages, illus., index, 1989. A one of a kind work on the roll of the Cherokee Indians from the Indian Territory in the Civil War. This work is a very concise a well written history and would be informative to anyone interested in Cherokee's or the Civil War. "...the best book on the Confederacy's Indian allies to appear in years." - Arkansas Historical Quarterly. Item # CC11488X $19.95 Cloth Around Tahlequah Council Fires T.L. Ballenger, 172 pages, photos, index. [1935] 1994. Ballenger was a twenty year resident of Tahlequah and after hearing stories of the past residents and early settlement of the area wanted to write its history. This is a collection of traditional and historical stories gathered from books, newspapers, original records, personal observation and conversations with many old-timers of Northeastern Oklahoma. Very interesting book, a lot of information on the Cherokee Indians in this area. #AT90967 $12.95 Paper #AT90959 $29.95 Hard Cover History of the Cherokee Indians,and Their Legends and Folk Lore By Emmet Starr. Originally published in 1921. This is a reprint of the original which has 680 pages of history, genealogy and biography. A 100 plus page every name index has been added. Red hardback library binding only. This work is OUT OF PRINT and when the copies I have are sold that is it! Item Code DMHOC $65.00

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/906.6.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Your welcome and good luck to you.

Good question! Yakoke means "thanks." George Ann >From: "ANGELYN CUNNINGHAM" <angelync@msn.com> >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [CHOCTAW-SE] Great List! >Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:07:17 -0500 > >What does "Yakoke" mean!? >Angelyn > >------ Original Message ----- > >From: george ann gregory >Sent: Thu, Aug 15, 2002 3:02pm >To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Great List! > >Yakoke! > >George Ann > > >From: JohnnyMikeCraven@aol.com > >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Great List! > >Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:02:55 EDT > > > >In a message dated 8/14/2002 9:54:21 AM Central Daylight Time, > >wood_owl@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > Yakoke, John, > > > > > > Can you tell me the date on that list? > > > > > > George Ann > > > > > > >Goss published his book in 1889 and it was reprinted by OldBuck Press of > >Conway, Arkansas. That's the only date I have on it. > > > > John Craven > > New Orleans > > > > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > >Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at > >http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, >etc. > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== >Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW >Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== >Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW >Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/964 Message Board Post: Do you have any info on the Pardee's from Natchitoches Parish LA? There were bro's John and Houston, I think. I need to find info on their father and grandfather. Any help shall be greatly appreciated. Thanks, AZELL

The Homma family I am working on is Paul Homma, b. 1869; m. Cilly Campbell His father was Mark (or Morgan) Homma who maried Sophia Houston. They are on the Coctaw Rolls in Ceder Co. but I would like to know more about them. Maxine in Enid, Ok.

Listers: Didn't know if you saw this so I'm resending it. I visited the American Indian Center in Chicago this morning. There were numerous picture from powwows and other events on the walls and in showcases. There was an extremely small gift shop. I went in hopes of finding books and tapes that would help me to learn the Choctaw language and culture. Unfortunately, they had nothing. I also wanted to purchase a headband. Nothing there either. I thought perhaps I would find information or publications that would help me to continue tracing my Choctaw ancestry. Nothing. It was a real disappointment since I live in the far South Suburbs of Chicago and the AIC is on the north side of Chicago. One good thing happened. I was told that I could find the books and tapes at the Native American Educational Services (NAES) several miles north. Although this is merely a non-circulating Native American library, Natalia, the head librarian was extremely helpful. She recommended titles and pulled several books on the Choctaws off the shelves. My cousins and I sat, read, and talked with Natalia for hours and hours. We were there at least four hours. Although I'm sometimes impatient, I thought I could find what I need today and be able to start learning immediately. I'm glad Elkdreamer recommended Chahta Anumpa by Marcia Haag and Henry Willis, University of Oklahoma Press, and Choctaw Crafts and Books. I'll just have to order from them. So, a special Yokoke to Elkdreamer again. Lori

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Thank you also Angelyn for your info, and you are welcome, Peggyyellowrose. Patty