This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/969.1 Message Board Post: George, Armstrong Academy was in Indian Territory (now Oklahoma). The Oklahoma Historical Society should have those records. Also, the Oklahoma Choctaw might have those records. Good Luck!

Halito and good mornng Lorie I am thankful for every day that grandfather has giving me and I try to enjoy them to the fullest. I am in better shape than most people 20 yrs younger than me. And I am thankful for all of you brothers and sisters on-line you brighten my day. The more I find out obout my Choctaw family the more pride I feel. Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Dailey, Heathcoat Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/970 Message Board Post: I'd appreciate any tips on the Choctaw ancestry of my g-g-grandmother, Hulda Caroline Heathcoat, born around 1820 (possibly in Alabama) and died around 1890 in Falls County, Texas. I don't know whether her Choctaw connection is through her father (Heathcoat) or mother (Dailey). She was in Caddo Parish, Louisiana in 1836. Her husbands were Charles Smitley(Smedley), George Cratch and John Knox. The family story is that she qualified for land given away in Oklahoma but would not talk to the agent who located her in Texas and tried to record her Choctaw ancestry.

In a message dated 8/22/2002 7:11:27 AM Central Daylight Time, Lori0602h@aol.com writes: > I think researching my Choctaw ancestry has given me an additional 10 years > of life For some of us Lori, I think researching our Choctaw ancestry has actually taken 10 years off our lives but it has been fun all the same. John Craven New Orleans

Judy, email Letty Harrington at: lettyein@hotmail.com She has a lot of the Houston Co. cemeteries on line. ----- Original Message ----- From: JudyJukBox@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 12:17 AM To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Re: Choctaw Records This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/789.7.1.1 Message Board Post: The Beard that I am looking for is on my Grandmother's father's side. Her name was Lula Jane Beard (b 7 Oct 1901). I have her father's name (Professor Baldwin Beard b 15 Dec 1862) and his father's name (Ezekial Logan Beard b 1819 or 1824) Grandmother came to Oregon in 1948. Does this help? ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/789.7.1.1 Message Board Post: The Beard that I am looking for is on my Grandmother's father's side. Her name was Lula Jane Beard (b 7 Oct 1901). I have her father's name (Professor Baldwin Beard b 15 Dec 1862) and his father's name (Ezekial Logan Beard b 1819 or 1824) Grandmother came to Oregon in 1948. Does this help?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/789.7.1 Message Board Post: I am wondering if you know of any Beard relations in Washington State or Oregon, and if you know of any of your Beard ancestors who were married into the Goins(Choctaws)...I have Beard ancestral relatives that I only learned about in the last couple years, who were married into my Goins line, and I am trying to determine if those are connected with the ones in Washington and Oregon...Any info will be appreciated.. Thanks.. Barbara

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: willis Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/969 Message Board Post: this was my mom father not sure if he from mississippi or oklahoma died before my mom was born don't know any information except he may have been at armstrong academy after they turned into a boarding school

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Beard Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/789.7 Message Board Post: I am looking for information on my ancester Ezekial Logan Beard born 1819 or 1824 in TN died 1894 Houston Co. TX. His father was Chief and was in line to be their next chief. But, he married Elvira Hardin (white) 12 May 1858, which made him ineligible. Please any help would be appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Johnson, Hawkins, Williams, Woods Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/967.1 Message Board Post: Sheila, Any dates and locations to go with the names? Looking for a woman named Narcissa "Nix"Johnson from Alabama around 1850-1860 time frame. Ron Hawkins

Ron: Your replies to messages that we get from the Choctaw Message Board must be posted on that page. Replying on this list won't get it seen by the person who made the original posting. Just click onthe blue address: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/967 and post your answer there. dusty List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Hawkins <redhawk1@adelphia.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] researching ancestry > Any dates and locations to go with the names? Looking for a woman named Narcissa "Nix"Johnson from Alabama around 1850-1860 time frame. > > Ron Hawkins > ----- Original Message ----- > From: srandle123@aol.com > To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:45 AM > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] researching ancestry > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Johnson > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/967 > > Message Board Post: > > I'm am researching my father's family tree for proof of my Choctaw ancestry. His name was John Tillman Johnson and his father's name was Charlie Johnson. I've just begun my search and I'm not sure where to look, so any information or help that anyone could give woud be appreciated SO much. > > Thank you. > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. >

Dusty, I was surprised to read what my cousin mailed. It appears to me that this has more to do with John W. Crutchfield than it does with my GGgrandmother Matilda Elizabeth Manning. I had supposed her application for Dawes enrollment would include such items as testimony and affidavits from people who would know that she was 1/2 Choctaw - aunts, uncles, for instance, who were sisters/brothers of her parents and would know of their blood quantum. So, I am 'soliciting' your expertise about whether I should regard this as THE packet or if I should write the Archives in Ft. Worth. Thanking you in advance - for ALL the good work you do, Angelyn ------ Original Message ----- From: Jleflore65@aol.com Sent: Wed, Aug 21, 2002 7:25pm To: <angelync@msn.com>; <ddeupree@sbcglobal.net>; <plreplogle@hotmail.com> Subject: Matilda- Penny- read this Penny, this is long, but you must read it. Angelyn, I didn't get anything re the "Martha" thing you forwarded, except the email messages - sounds like it might be a picture, but didn't get one. WHAT A DAY !!! I went to OHS today and got a copy of the "packet" on Matilda Eliz. This is all that is in her Dawes file. First of all, you know that "Choctaw Nation. Choctaw Roll" sheet that we have that begins at the top of the page giving the County as Blue and the Post Office as Caddo, I.T. - and it starts out with the number 11015 Manning, Matilda - and lists under her name Charles A., Thomas (? initial), Arthur F. and # 11018 is Crutchfield, Gertrude - and the name below hers is Crutchfield, John W., husband of No.5. These are the people listed in Matilda's Dawes file. And Gertrude Crutchfield is the married name of Gertrude Thompson (Matilda's granddaughter who she raised). The women at OHS said this is the very same thing that they have in Fort Worth and to not spend the money they require for copies fromFort Worth when they have it all at OHS. The number of the microfilm is 3923. It starts out "Record in the matter of the application for the enrollment as a citizen by inter! marriage of the Choctaw Nation of JOHN W. CRUTCHFIELD, 7-D-709." I asked if there was anything just for Matilda and they said this was all she had. But the file covers all the people listed on the first page I just wrote about (Choctaw Roll). The next page is "Examination by the Commission" and this is the testimony part where they ask Crutchfield questions and he answers them and this goes through page 3. The next page isn't numbered but is also "Examination by the Commission" and also consists of questions & answers. Many of the questions are repeats of ones on the first page of questions, but this one has a statement by the stenographer to the Commission to the Five Civilized Tribes and is notarized. The next page is the "Decision" saying Crutchfield should be enrolled as a citizen by intermarriage. The next page is a letter to Crutchfield from the Commissioner in Charge advising of the decision of the commission. The next page is a letter from the attorneys for t! he Choctaw & Chickasaw nations telling of the decision and advising his name will be placed on the roll as being intermarried. The next page is titled "MEMORANDA" and is a form that lists Matilda Manning & her 3 kids plus Elizabeth. It is difficult to read. The next page pertains to Charles A. Manning and is an Affidavit of Relative from Forbis Manning (31 years old) stating he is a brother of Charles. The next thing is a copy of the Marriage License for Crutchfield & Gertrude. The next thing is something also pertaining to the marriage of Gertrude. There is a letter to Crutchfield attorney. Then there is a letter to Matilda saying they learned that Charles A. Manning had died since being listed for enrollment and for her to fill out a form saying if it was true or not. Then there is letter to Forbis Manning regarding his affidavit about the death of Charles A. And the last page is advising that a Proof of Death was filed and the enrollment card #3923 had been noted! that Charles was dead. I got a list of all the people with the following names who are listed on the Dawes Final Rolls: Davis Brashears Fisher Hays Hayes LeFlore Manning Sacra These are supposed to cost $1.50 per page and there are 27 pages of Davis's alone. However, I got a deal on them. AND - Phyllis came up with the original old book listing information on the people who were hired as writers for the Indian Pioneer Papers and the people they interviewed. This old book is 11 X 17" - big - and is literally falling apart. They will be putting it on microfilm shortly and won't let the public see the actual book. My grandmother, Amelia, wrote articles on enough people to fill 2 1/2 of those large pages of the book, approximately 100 people - from March, 1937 to March, 1938. Her interviews would probably average about 15 pages per interview, but one or two were as much as 104 pages Iong. I didn't have time to look any of them up, but I will. They also had an old file on the project itself (a WPA project), and Grant Foreman was the Director of the program. I haven't read what I copied yet, but it appears to be a report on the project. And there is a "WORKS PROGRESS ADMINISTRATION - The Manual of Indian-Pioneer History Project for Oklahoma". It tells all ! about the project, what subjects were covered, duties of the staff and writers, forms that they used, etc. And I got the name of the writer's organization Amelia was supposed to have been so active in + her paintings (so much so she didn't have time to be a mother - according to Katsy). ISN'T THAT WONDERFUL !!!! WHAT A DAY!! Gotta go read some of this "stuff". Do you all want me to copy the Dawes file for Matilda - or do you want to write to Fort Worth for it? Will be back later. Love yas, Suzie

ElkDreamer and John: Remember, you're only as old as you feel. I'm 61 and have had some serious health issues recently. However, I still look much younger than my actual age and those positive thoughts work miracles. Aches and pains? Oh, I can write you a book on them. Keep the faith ElkDreamer as John said. You'll live to be 100, will be in great health and have the mind of someone 50 years younger. I think researching my Choctaw ancestry has given me an additional 10 years of life because I was so excited and had such a fantastic time learning new things about my ancestors. So, perhaps I'll just knock those ten years off and say that I'm 51 (smile). Have a blessed day! Lori

Yakoke Brother Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer

In a message dated 8/21/2002 2:02:21 PM Central Daylight Time, srandle123@aol.com writes: > > I'm am researching my father's family tree for proof of my Choctaw > ancestry. His name was John Tillman Johnson and his father's name was > Charlie Johnson. I've just begun my search and I'm not sure where to look, > so any information or help that anyone could give woud be appreciated SO > much. > > Hello srandle123, there is the Dawes Commission rolls of Choctaw Indians that you can inquire about. I think several people on the list have access to them. There's also a book by Joseph Goss from 1889 which is entitled "Choctaw Claimants and Their Heirs". A while back someone was looking for a Johnson and I found 7 names in the Goss book under Johnson and 1 under Johnston. I'm not sure if the lists are posted on-line. Dusty would probably know that. John Craven New Orleans

In a message dated 8/21/2002 6:30:30 AM Central Daylight Time, ElkDremr@aol.com writes: > > I just turned 58 this year Why you're still a young whipper snapper. My father's going to be 89 in January. And he still cuts his grass and hits a golf ball around the yard. Up until about a year and half ago he was still going out every day to play a round of golf. I'm just teasing ElkDreamer. I get aches and pains myself that come from God only knows where. But there's an old tradition amongst Catholics like myself. We say "Offer it up" So let's "Offer them up" for the sake of the Kingdom and for those extra days we have been granted by a most generous God. Have a great day, ElkDreamer. John Craven New Orleans

Any dates and locations to go with the names? Looking for a woman named Narcissa "Nix"Johnson from Alabama around 1850-1860 time frame. Ron Hawkins ----- Original Message ----- From: srandle123@aol.com To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] researching ancestry This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Johnson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/967 Message Board Post: I'm am researching my father's family tree for proof of my Choctaw ancestry. His name was John Tillman Johnson and his father's name was Charlie Johnson. I've just begun my search and I'm not sure where to look, so any information or help that anyone could give woud be appreciated SO much. Thank you. ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc.

----- Original Message ----- From: <srandle123@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 1:45 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] researching ancestry > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Johnson > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/967 > > Message Board Post: > > I'm am researching my father's family tree for proof of my Choctaw ancestry. His name was John Tillman Johnson and his father's name was Charlie Johnson. I've just begun my search and I'm not sure where to look, so any information or help that anyone could give woud be appreciated SO much. > > Thank you. > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > > my choctaw family surname is johnson, all documented, are the names alexander, elizabeth, simon, mose johnson ethel alice familar to you, on simon johnson's enrollment card his father is achakanli, hie mother also has a choctaw name, if you believe i can ofer any inf, let me know, my ancestors allotments were in sans bois, skulluville and sugarloaf counties. bye, brooke patton:bluebird@crosstel.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Johnson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/967 Message Board Post: I'm am researching my father's family tree for proof of my Choctaw ancestry. His name was John Tillman Johnson and his father's name was Charlie Johnson. I've just begun my search and I'm not sure where to look, so any information or help that anyone could give woud be appreciated SO much. Thank you.

Halito and Good Morning Brother I just turned 58 this year. and with the way I had lived my life when I was younger it is a wonder that I'm still alive. My only complaint about getting older is the stiffining of joints etc. I work in construction so i'm still in pretty good shape. Just some time it takes me a little longer to get started in the morning<LOL>. I thank Grandfather for every day that he gives me they are all a bonus. Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer