Mulatto probably comes from "mulato", Spanish for 'of mixed blood'. Didn't slaves take the surnames of the family that 'owned' them? Also, let's face it, folks, the male plantation owners had sexual 'relations' with the African women they owned and the offspring of those unions produced children who used their father's surname. There is, however, another explanation. In the 1700s, 'whites' marrying Indians had children who were referred to as, for instance, "quadroon", which meant they had 1/4th degree of Indian blood. Angelyn ------ Original Message ----- From: AhSweet1@aol.com Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2002 7:49pm To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] question I have no idea of where 'Mulatto' came from. I was just surprised when I read the census(1860(I think)) in Mississippi and found neighbors to my ancestors(Trahern) with the same name but it said they were black. Now some in Alabama with other ancestor's name(DeLoach) says they are 'M'. ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the list. Write to me, the listowner, at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com

John: Would this name perhaps be "Harjo", which is a fairly common name among the Creeks and Cherokees. If I'm not absolutely senile, I think there is a list of Choctaws that served under Jackson in the Battle of New Orleans in our archives somewhere. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: <JohnnyMikeCraven@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Can Anyone Help Me With Term "Captain" > In a message dated 8/28/2002 10:30:35 PM Central Daylight Time, > Peggysyellowrose@aol.com writes: > > > > WHO'S NAMES WERE THESE ON THAT LIST YOU HAVE? > > Hello Peggy, > > I guess you are talking about the list I have of Indians discharged by > Andrew Jackson in 1818. They were commandered by Captain Powas Hanjo and > there were many Hanjo' in this command. There were also many others. Some > names seem to be fairly easily read but others are very hard. > > John Craven > New Orleans > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information. Try Judy White's NATIVE AMERICAN RESOURCE CENTER at http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, newsletters, lookups, articles, etc. >

Thank you for the answer to my question. I know one on census I have lists my ancestors as 'W' but next door is a family with the same surname but labeled as 'B'.

You are right!! MU is Mulatto.

I read somewhere that choctaw and those that were mixed breeds were also sometimes written in as Mulatto. Is this true? Patricia Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: <AhSweet1@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] question > Thank you for the answer to my question. I know one on census I have lists > my ancestors as 'W' but next door is a family with the same surname but > labeled as 'B'. > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > >

I was looking at an online census and it said.......'W' stands for white, and 'B' for black but what does 'MU' stand for? Mulatto - part black and white? Just guessing here - hope I don't offend anyone. Carol

Barbara: Your comments are very interesting about Indians being slaves. I know that they were. However, how were they chosen? Did everything depend on being a Christian? When did the Indian indenture slavery begin? Lori

Hi Marcie.. If you check the site I posted on our board along with the excerpt, you might get an idea why your ancestor specified he was fully christianised..seems the only way to be freed from forced indentured service was to become a christian...this was before race was a primary factor in slavery..after that, it was decided that Africans and Indians and mulattoes were "real estate" and could be made slaves for life...Now I understand why the Choctaws seemed to accept christianity so "enthusiastically" in the beginning... Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcia Lee" <mlee@uwf.edu> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Harper - Which SixTown location & other questions > Good afternoon all, > > I have found info on my ancestor John Harper which states that in > his own words he was a Choctaw born in abt.1760 near Columbus, MS. On a > map of Lowndes Co, MS in 1830 it shows 4 Choctaw villages located near > what is Columbus. All are to the east in the Choctaw Cession of 1816 & > 1830. One is Bernard Roman's Camp 1771, the other Silas McBee.1819. > Which of the Clans where located in that area? > > John Harper, parents George & Elizabeth Harper. He married Mary Ann > unknown (also Choctaw) they moved from MS to KY abt. 1779/1780. Was at > Ft. Boonesborough where daughter Lydia was born. Other children were > Sibby, Mary Polly, Elizabeth Betsy, Keziah, Parthenia, Jemima, > Philadelphia. Deposition by John Harper says children all had Choctaw > names also (doesn't give them though) His will says that he is "a fully > Christianized Choctaw" whatever that meant. It says father was George, > wife Mary, brother Thomas. That he was living on Lulbegrud Creek, > Jefferson Co., KY. He died Jan. 1840 in Montgomery Co., KY. > > John is in DAR Patriot index applying for pension 2 Jan. 1834, > Montgomery Co., KY at age 89. It lists his birthdate as 1745 with wife > as Mary Ann. Also says at advanced age John put in a claim for Indian > Lands. A Congressman Langley of KY (60th Congress-What year was that?) > put in a bill to entitle John's decendants to share Indian lands in > I.T.-it failed to pass. > > How would one locate the bill that was introduced? > > It seems lots of new info leads to more questions. Any ideas where > to look next? > > Marcie > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking for ancestor's name? Check our archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST > >

Good afternoon all, I have found info on my ancestor John Harper which states that in his own words he was a Choctaw born in abt.1760 near Columbus, MS. On a map of Lowndes Co, MS in 1830 it shows 4 Choctaw villages located near what is Columbus. All are to the east in the Choctaw Cession of 1816 & 1830. One is Bernard Roman's Camp 1771, the other Silas McBee.1819. Which of the Clans where located in that area? John Harper, parents George & Elizabeth Harper. He married Mary Ann unknown (also Choctaw) they moved from MS to KY abt. 1779/1780. Was at Ft. Boonesborough where daughter Lydia was born. Other children were Sibby, Mary Polly, Elizabeth Betsy, Keziah, Parthenia, Jemima, Philadelphia. Deposition by John Harper says children all had Choctaw names also (doesn't give them though) His will says that he is "a fully Christianized Choctaw" whatever that meant. It says father was George, wife Mary, brother Thomas. That he was living on Lulbegrud Creek, Jefferson Co., KY. He died Jan. 1840 in Montgomery Co., KY. John is in DAR Patriot index applying for pension 2 Jan. 1834, Montgomery Co., KY at age 89. It lists his birthdate as 1745 with wife as Mary Ann. Also says at advanced age John put in a claim for Indian Lands. A Congressman Langley of KY (60th Congress-What year was that?) put in a bill to entitle John's decendants to share Indian lands in I.T.-it failed to pass. How would one locate the bill that was introduced? It seems lots of new info leads to more questions. Any ideas where to look next? Marcie

sorry-no. peggy

thank you for trying peggy

Unfortunately, I don't know my Captain John's surname. All I know is the information in the case files that he was Choctaw and that he died when my great great grandmother, Candis, his daughter, was 1 1/2 years old. Candis was born in May 1852 in Mississippi. Does this help? Lori

I don't have a list. I obtained the enrollment application case files for my great great great grandmother and other relatives. I'm working off the information provided in these case files. There were some relatives that I didn't know existed and am now trying to trace. Lori

In a message dated 8/28/2002 10:30:35 PM Central Daylight Time, Peggysyellowrose@aol.com writes: > WHO'S NAMES WERE THESE ON THAT LIST YOU HAVE? Hello Peggy, I guess you are talking about the list I have of Indians discharged by Andrew Jackson in 1818. They were commandered by Captain Powas Hanjo and there were many Hanjo' in this command. There were also many others. Some names seem to be fairly easily read but others are very hard. John Craven New Orleans

LORI WHAT DATE DO YOU HAVE FOR YOUR JOHN HOLT? I HAVE 1792-1855 I HOPE THIS MATCHES! WELL LET ME KNOW PLEASE I AM ANXIOUS! PEGGYSYELLOWROSE@AOL.COM

WHO'S NAMES WERE THESE ON THAT LIST YOU HAVE?PEGGYSYELLOWROSE@AOL.COM

betty perkins, who are your bohannons?, i also have them. peggysyellowrose@aol.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Finley Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/973 Message Board Post: My Finley family are from Jefferson county. Given names are Bear, Solomon, William, Aaron, Clair, Lottie (married a Finley) or May Eva. Are we linked in anyway?

Dusty here is the land grand info. I e-mailed you a copy of the land grant. Would Eeds been choctaw or white to get this land? The land grant says that James Eeds has a depostit in the General Land Office of the United States, a certificate of the Register of the Land office at Tuscaloosa. whereby full payment has been made by James Eeds according to the provision of the act of congress of the 24th of April 1820, entitled "an act making further provision for the sale of public lands. By the President of the united states Martin Van Buren this land is located on what is know as Romulas Rd. Ala. In a message dated 8/25/02 10:35:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dustyc@microgear.net writes: > > Sound like possibly your ancestors purchased the land from a Choctaw who > had > been awarded a land allotment in 1831. Is there a name of who they > purchased > the land from on your records? > > dusty > the united states pres. Martin Van Buren

John: It is evident that you are extremely knowledgeable and have done a lot of research. I greatly appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience. I was going to email you to ask for direction in my research of Captain John. Now you've given me a lead to check the Indian Muster Rolls from the War of 1812 and afterwards. Since I don't have a surname, I'll have to follow every Captain John I identify. Wish there was an easier way, but right now I can't think of any. On a side note, my ancestors had a white attorney who stated that he would provide written proof of their status as Choctaw. He knew the family extremely well. That information was not included in the enrollment case file. I'm going to call the National Archives in Fort Worth, TX today to find out why I didn't receive the attorney's papers and ask what I need to do to obtain a copy. I'll also check with the Mississippi State Archives and the local historical society to see if they have the law firm's records. I think this information would be most helpful and it may have Captain John's surname, age, or something to help me further my research. Again, thanks for sharing your knowledge. If you think of anything else that might help me, please let me know. Lori