I am sorry! I just read what I wrote, and I meant to say that Whites have tried to destroy non-whites!! What an idiot -- my hot-headedness got away with me. I apologize profusely, and now I will just go away and not say another word. SandyM Folk and Folk Arts Producers & Organizations: ** GrantWriting at Reasonable Costs ** email: gladesheritage@mindspring.com Or Call: 561-924-7955 Sandy Mercer ----- Original Message ----- From: "okeefolkie" <okeefolkie@mindspring.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] slavery > Why does the Indian Law Rescosurce Center have this disclaimer on that > website (www.indianlaw.org): The Indian Law Resource Center makes no > representations as to the timeliness or accuracy of the information on this > website... ."? > > Maybe I am naive, but that sounds as if they don't stand behind their > claims, which, I might add, I believe. That is, I believe that "non-whites," > for lack of a better term, have systematically, for whatever reasons, tried > to destroy everything and everyone not like them. > > Sorry in advance for this outburst, since I am not a regular contributor > (I'm new to the list), but I am really, really angry about what has been > done to ALL people of color/non-whites. And it's all so stupid, since WHO is > "pure white" anyway? > SandyM > > > Folk and Folk Arts Producers & Organizations: > ** GrantWriting at Reasonable Costs ** > email: gladesheritage@mindspring.com > Or Call: 561-924-7955 > Sandy Mercer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Wilson" <imafo2002@yahoo.com> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:37 AM > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] slavery > > > > Halito All: > > > > I apologize for the incomplete posting. I was > > typing away and all of a sudden, click and I see a > > "message has been sent". I don't know how it happened. > > I must have accidently hit enter while I was typing. I > > have done that before. I am not the greatest typist in > > the world. I will just start with the last paragraph > > that got broken up. > > Now how does the U.S.reward this loyalty and > > bravery? Well, with allotment, removal, termination, > > and the stealing of Indian children and locking them > > up in boarding schools. This is where much of the > > decimation of Indian culture has occurred. Forbidden > > to speak their native language or wear native clothing > > at the risk of, at times severe punishment. They were > > even forced to stay with Euro-Americans during the > > Summer, so they wouldn't be "corrupted" by their > > families. All of these things, I have mentioned, which > > were done to African-Americans and the American > > Indian, not to mention other groups, would have been > > violations of the "Genocide Treaty" using Raphael > > Lemkin's definition of genocide. This is why the U.S, > > fought against the "genocide Treaty" longer than any > > other country, including the U.S.S.R. and China. The > > entire world knows about these things except the > > citizens of the U.S. They are kept in the dark, while > > the government, the powerful and wealthy and the > > corporate thugs exploit the world. That is why the > > world hates the U.S., not because they are jealous of > > our position in the world. > > From the Eisenhower through the Reagan years the > > "Indian Territory" was exploited by the government and > > the corporations for energy resources. This was > > especially damaging where uranium deposits were found. > > They used an Indian work-force and of course did not > > use the precautions that they would have if a white > > work-force was used. They also didn't take the > > environmental precautions they have had to take in a > > Euro-American community. of course this saved them a > > whole lot of money, not to mention the fact that the > > U.S. taxpayer paid for the cost of the mining in many > > instances. Of course all of these things fattened the > > pocketbook of the energy corporations but, even to > > this day it is taking its toll in human life. The > > nuclear bomb tests also occurred on Indian land, > > resulting in radioactive blow-overs and contamination > > of ground water as a result of underground tests. The > > Bush Administration wants to resume those tests. > > On the reservations where this occurred the > > corporations didn't have to clean up after themselves > > and no one is making them take responsibility today. > > There are hills of radioactive tailings over 100 feet > > high which distributes dust over the entire > > reservation. On one reservation, the corporation built > > a road and a Council House. The concrete they used > > contained the radioactive tailings in it. That is why > > so many American Indians believe they were used as > > guinea pigs in an experiment on radiation exposure. > > Remember, the nuclear arms program had a considerable > > number of Nazis in it. The streams are contaminated > > the ground water is contaminated. The highest infant > > mortality rate in the nation is on these reservations. > > As a matter of fact, it is among the highest in the > > world. Highest rate of deformity in the country, and > > many many other diseases and the government and the > > corporations will not take responsibility. The average > > life span of a man is only 45 years. Most children > > cannot expect to watch their grandparents grow old. > > The Reagan Administration was extremely hostile > > toward the American Indian. If you don't think so, > > just type in Ronald Reagan and Native Americans and > > find the words he had to say about Indians while he > > was in Russia. It will really open your eyes. Reagan > > cut the American Indian 10 xs what he cut the general > > population. This included funds and other things, such > > as health care, guaranteed by treaty. This forced many > > more Indians to go down into the uranium mines, which > > was probably his intention in the first place. Many > > people suffered from hunger and the lack of medical > > care. Certainly, people died. Reagan also started > > supporting corrupt regimes in Central and South > > America and basically using special ops. and other > > means, against the underclass in that region of the > > world. The underclass of course, is mostly made up of > > Indians. > > All of this is being done to exploit the natural > > resources in that region: oil, timber, minerals, etc. > > by the multinational corporations. Of course this > > continues today and Indians are being murdered at a > > rate of more than 100,000 per year. It is a mass > > extermination. Our government and the Shell Oil > > Corporation had some sort of agreement or contract > > with one of those countries. It has been some time > > since I read about this, so I don't want to say which > > country I think it is, because my memory might not be > > exactly correct. However I know the source and I can > > easily look it up again. However, I'll never forget > > what the CEO of Shell Oil said in a critical > > interview. He was asked for matters of morality and > > ethics, if his corporation should not have done > > business with this murderous regime. His answer was > > they weren't in business for ethics but for whatever > > benefits their bottom line and that he felt absolutely > > no guilt or remorse. > > In the Johnson years the American Indian had a > > breather. Nixon tried to do some good things for the > > American Indian. However, Nixon established the "Dead > > Zones" on the reservations. The "Dead Zones" were > > areas where nuclear waist is to be buried and declared > > unfit for human habitation for the life of the > > radioactivity, which was over i million years. These > > "dead Zones" were to expand as the country needed more > > space to dump its radioactive waist. > > In the 1970s we discovered that at least 46% of > > reservation women were forcibly sterilized. Some were > > done while they had another operation, others were > > threatened with the removal of the children they had. > > Some American Indians believe the program continues in > > secret to this very day. There was the outright > > stealing of children to be adopted by Euro-Americans. > > In all of these horrible things not one person was > > investigated or punished. > > In 1997 the state of South Dakota stole 167,000 > > acres from the Nakota, Dakota, Lakota people and the > > Reagan appointed Supreme Court refused to hear the > > appeal. Now the state of South Dakota is attacking > > Indigenous water rights. > > The Western Shoshone are now homeless. In > > violation of the "Treaty of Friendship of 1863" and > > agreements signed with the "Organization of American > > States" as well as with the "United Nations" the > > "Bureau of Land Management" sold, without the > > permission of the Western Shoshone People, the land to > > a gold mining corporation. The Shoshone people were > > warned that their property would be confiscated and > > auctioned, they would be arrested or worse if they > > didn't leave the land. Land that the "Treaty of > > Friendship" states the Shoshone have occupied since > > time immemorial. The BLM then went on to confiscate > > their cattle and horses, which they use to make a > > living, and auctioned them off. > > The OAS and the UN asked the US to stay its > > action and the US arrogantly refused to respond. You > > can read everything about this at the "Indian Law > > Resource Center", <www.indianlaw.org> > > Now you might ask, why don't you know about these > > things? Well, just as the multi-nationals own the > > White House, the legislature and even many of the > > judiciary, they own the media and all of the news > > outlets. General Electric and Westinghouse, e.g. were > > two of the biggest perpetrators of the uranium terror > > on the reservations. They are both heavily invested in > > electronic media and are able to control portions of > > the news as a result. This is only two out of many > > multinational energy corporations that have a > > financial interest in the news media, and therefore > > control the information you receive. > > My final concern is that the Bush Administration > > has an Indian policy of "Disestablishment". Sounds > > like "Termination" to me. > > I guess I'd better leave at this point while I'm > > ahead. I'm probably in enough trouble and I don't wish > > to offend anyone with an inappropriate topic, even > > though I'm not the one who brought it up. > > > > Sincerely: > > Imafo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the > list. 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The following website is something that everyone should read not only for the sake of understanding what happened in Australia, but also in what happened here...There are many people who do not know their true ancestry in this country, and it is because someone else wanted them to not know it...as if certain of our ancestors never existed..(In particular, Indian and African ancestors)To erase "their kind" entirely from the future as well as from the memory of descendants (that is, in the sense of ever reclaiming their heritage)was the plan, and I know that in many hearts that is still a hope..It is a very ugly thing..B. http://www.tim-richardson.net/misc/stolen_generation.html

Hi all....just got back from the Labor Day fun in Tuskahoma...Anyone whose never been there....ya gotta !!!!! ....It was so much fun !!!!!!.... deana ----- Original Message ----- From: george ann gregory <wood_owl@hotmail.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw questions > According to one reading that I have seen, degree of blood was determined by > whoever was doing the enrolling, i.e. a white person and a stranger to the > community. Also, some members on this list have already presented evidence > that the Dawes Commission, like previous commissions and agents, just plain > refused to sign folks up. > > George Ann > > > >From: deana peirce <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw questions > >Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:49:25 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Hi list...I was at the OK Historical Society today reading more interviews > >on my MCRs. Seems to me from alot of the apps I read that if they werent a > >full blood they didnt get accepted..has anyone else read any interviews and > >thought that ?....anyways...in one of mine it has a letter from the "acting > >chairman" to one of my Davis' saying that they did find a "P.Davis" on a > >roll and if my Davis guy could prove this was his grandpa Paul the > >commision wanted the proof at once...my question...Ive looked at the > >Armstrong Roll and didnt see a P.Davis. (he died in 1876 and didnt leave > >MS/AL Territory)...what other roll would the be talking about ?...The > >interview was from Henry Davis M.C.2615......There was alot of family on > >this application. Any ideas or suggestions Id really appreciate !!! > > > > > > > >deana > > > > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > >Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the > >list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the list. Write to me, the listowner, at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com

I don't know anyone who can prove they are pure white, that's for sure...And you can't go by looks... B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "okeefolkie" <okeefolkie@mindspring.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] slavery > Why does the Indian Law Rescosurce Center have this disclaimer on that > website (www.indianlaw.org): The Indian Law Resource Center makes no > representations as to the timeliness or accuracy of the information on this > website... ."? > > Maybe I am naive, but that sounds as if they don't stand behind their > claims, which, I might add, I believe. That is, I believe that "non-whites," > for lack of a better term, have systematically, for whatever reasons, tried > to destroy everything and everyone not like them. > > Sorry in advance for this outburst, since I am not a regular contributor > (I'm new to the list), but I am really, really angry about what has been > done to ALL people of color/non-whites. And it's all so stupid, since WHO is > "pure white" anyway? > SandyM > > > Folk and Folk Arts Producers & Organizations: > ** GrantWriting at Reasonable Costs ** > email: gladesheritage@mindspring.com > Or Call: 561-924-7955 > Sandy Mercer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Wilson" <imafo2002@yahoo.com> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:37 AM > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] slavery > > > > Halito All: > > > > I apologize for the incomplete posting. I was > > typing away and all of a sudden, click and I see a > > "message has been sent". I don't know how it happened. > > I must have accidently hit enter while I was typing. I > > have done that before. I am not the greatest typist in > > the world. I will just start with the last paragraph > > that got broken up. > > Now how does the U.S.reward this loyalty and > > bravery? Well, with allotment, removal, termination, > > and the stealing of Indian children and locking them > > up in boarding schools. This is where much of the > > decimation of Indian culture has occurred. Forbidden > > to speak their native language or wear native clothing > > at the risk of, at times severe punishment. They were > > even forced to stay with Euro-Americans during the > > Summer, so they wouldn't be "corrupted" by their > > families. All of these things, I have mentioned, which > > were done to African-Americans and the American > > Indian, not to mention other groups, would have been > > violations of the "Genocide Treaty" using Raphael > > Lemkin's definition of genocide. This is why the U.S, > > fought against the "genocide Treaty" longer than any > > other country, including the U.S.S.R. and China. The > > entire world knows about these things except the > > citizens of the U.S. They are kept in the dark, while > > the government, the powerful and wealthy and the > > corporate thugs exploit the world. That is why the > > world hates the U.S., not because they are jealous of > > our position in the world. > > From the Eisenhower through the Reagan years the > > "Indian Territory" was exploited by the government and > > the corporations for energy resources. This was > > especially damaging where uranium deposits were found. > > They used an Indian work-force and of course did not > > use the precautions that they would have if a white > > work-force was used. They also didn't take the > > environmental precautions they have had to take in a > > Euro-American community. of course this saved them a > > whole lot of money, not to mention the fact that the > > U.S. taxpayer paid for the cost of the mining in many > > instances. Of course all of these things fattened the > > pocketbook of the energy corporations but, even to > > this day it is taking its toll in human life. The > > nuclear bomb tests also occurred on Indian land, > > resulting in radioactive blow-overs and contamination > > of ground water as a result of underground tests. The > > Bush Administration wants to resume those tests. > > On the reservations where this occurred the > > corporations didn't have to clean up after themselves > > and no one is making them take responsibility today. > > There are hills of radioactive tailings over 100 feet > > high which distributes dust over the entire > > reservation. On one reservation, the corporation built > > a road and a Council House. The concrete they used > > contained the radioactive tailings in it. That is why > > so many American Indians believe they were used as > > guinea pigs in an experiment on radiation exposure. > > Remember, the nuclear arms program had a considerable > > number of Nazis in it. The streams are contaminated > > the ground water is contaminated. The highest infant > > mortality rate in the nation is on these reservations. > > As a matter of fact, it is among the highest in the > > world. Highest rate of deformity in the country, and > > many many other diseases and the government and the > > corporations will not take responsibility. The average > > life span of a man is only 45 years. Most children > > cannot expect to watch their grandparents grow old. > > The Reagan Administration was extremely hostile > > toward the American Indian. If you don't think so, > > just type in Ronald Reagan and Native Americans and > > find the words he had to say about Indians while he > > was in Russia. It will really open your eyes. Reagan > > cut the American Indian 10 xs what he cut the general > > population. This included funds and other things, such > > as health care, guaranteed by treaty. This forced many > > more Indians to go down into the uranium mines, which > > was probably his intention in the first place. Many > > people suffered from hunger and the lack of medical > > care. Certainly, people died. Reagan also started > > supporting corrupt regimes in Central and South > > America and basically using special ops. and other > > means, against the underclass in that region of the > > world. The underclass of course, is mostly made up of > > Indians. > > All of this is being done to exploit the natural > > resources in that region: oil, timber, minerals, etc. > > by the multinational corporations. Of course this > > continues today and Indians are being murdered at a > > rate of more than 100,000 per year. It is a mass > > extermination. Our government and the Shell Oil > > Corporation had some sort of agreement or contract > > with one of those countries. It has been some time > > since I read about this, so I don't want to say which > > country I think it is, because my memory might not be > > exactly correct. However I know the source and I can > > easily look it up again. However, I'll never forget > > what the CEO of Shell Oil said in a critical > > interview. He was asked for matters of morality and > > ethics, if his corporation should not have done > > business with this murderous regime. His answer was > > they weren't in business for ethics but for whatever > > benefits their bottom line and that he felt absolutely > > no guilt or remorse. > > In the Johnson years the American Indian had a > > breather. Nixon tried to do some good things for the > > American Indian. However, Nixon established the "Dead > > Zones" on the reservations. The "Dead Zones" were > > areas where nuclear waist is to be buried and declared > > unfit for human habitation for the life of the > > radioactivity, which was over i million years. These > > "dead Zones" were to expand as the country needed more > > space to dump its radioactive waist. > > In the 1970s we discovered that at least 46% of > > reservation women were forcibly sterilized. Some were > > done while they had another operation, others were > > threatened with the removal of the children they had. > > Some American Indians believe the program continues in > > secret to this very day. There was the outright > > stealing of children to be adopted by Euro-Americans. > > In all of these horrible things not one person was > > investigated or punished. > > In 1997 the state of South Dakota stole 167,000 > > acres from the Nakota, Dakota, Lakota people and the > > Reagan appointed Supreme Court refused to hear the > > appeal. Now the state of South Dakota is attacking > > Indigenous water rights. > > The Western Shoshone are now homeless. In > > violation of the "Treaty of Friendship of 1863" and > > agreements signed with the "Organization of American > > States" as well as with the "United Nations" the > > "Bureau of Land Management" sold, without the > > permission of the Western Shoshone People, the land to > > a gold mining corporation. The Shoshone people were > > warned that their property would be confiscated and > > auctioned, they would be arrested or worse if they > > didn't leave the land. Land that the "Treaty of > > Friendship" states the Shoshone have occupied since > > time immemorial. The BLM then went on to confiscate > > their cattle and horses, which they use to make a > > living, and auctioned them off. > > The OAS and the UN asked the US to stay its > > action and the US arrogantly refused to respond. You > > can read everything about this at the "Indian Law > > Resource Center", <www.indianlaw.org> > > Now you might ask, why don't you know about these > > things? Well, just as the multi-nationals own the > > White House, the legislature and even many of the > > judiciary, they own the media and all of the news > > outlets. General Electric and Westinghouse, e.g. were > > two of the biggest perpetrators of the uranium terror > > on the reservations. They are both heavily invested in > > electronic media and are able to control portions of > > the news as a result. This is only two out of many > > multinational energy corporations that have a > > financial interest in the news media, and therefore > > control the information you receive. > > My final concern is that the Bush Administration > > has an Indian policy of "Disestablishment". Sounds > > like "Termination" to me. > > I guess I'd better leave at this point while I'm > > ahead. I'm probably in enough trouble and I don't wish > > to offend anyone with an inappropriate topic, even > > though I'm not the one who brought it up. > > > > Sincerely: > > Imafo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the > list. Write to me, the listowner, at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes and spelled correctly. > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Why does the Indian Law Rescosurce Center have this disclaimer on that website (www.indianlaw.org): The Indian Law Resource Center makes no representations as to the timeliness or accuracy of the information on this website... ."? Maybe I am naive, but that sounds as if they don't stand behind their claims, which, I might add, I believe. That is, I believe that "non-whites," for lack of a better term, have systematically, for whatever reasons, tried to destroy everything and everyone not like them. Sorry in advance for this outburst, since I am not a regular contributor (I'm new to the list), but I am really, really angry about what has been done to ALL people of color/non-whites. And it's all so stupid, since WHO is "pure white" anyway? SandyM Folk and Folk Arts Producers & Organizations: ** GrantWriting at Reasonable Costs ** email: gladesheritage@mindspring.com Or Call: 561-924-7955 Sandy Mercer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wilson" <imafo2002@yahoo.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:37 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] slavery > Halito All: > > I apologize for the incomplete posting. I was > typing away and all of a sudden, click and I see a > "message has been sent". I don't know how it happened. > I must have accidently hit enter while I was typing. I > have done that before. I am not the greatest typist in > the world. I will just start with the last paragraph > that got broken up. > Now how does the U.S.reward this loyalty and > bravery? Well, with allotment, removal, termination, > and the stealing of Indian children and locking them > up in boarding schools. This is where much of the > decimation of Indian culture has occurred. Forbidden > to speak their native language or wear native clothing > at the risk of, at times severe punishment. They were > even forced to stay with Euro-Americans during the > Summer, so they wouldn't be "corrupted" by their > families. All of these things, I have mentioned, which > were done to African-Americans and the American > Indian, not to mention other groups, would have been > violations of the "Genocide Treaty" using Raphael > Lemkin's definition of genocide. This is why the U.S, > fought against the "genocide Treaty" longer than any > other country, including the U.S.S.R. and China. The > entire world knows about these things except the > citizens of the U.S. They are kept in the dark, while > the government, the powerful and wealthy and the > corporate thugs exploit the world. That is why the > world hates the U.S., not because they are jealous of > our position in the world. > From the Eisenhower through the Reagan years the > "Indian Territory" was exploited by the government and > the corporations for energy resources. This was > especially damaging where uranium deposits were found. > They used an Indian work-force and of course did not > use the precautions that they would have if a white > work-force was used. They also didn't take the > environmental precautions they have had to take in a > Euro-American community. of course this saved them a > whole lot of money, not to mention the fact that the > U.S. taxpayer paid for the cost of the mining in many > instances. Of course all of these things fattened the > pocketbook of the energy corporations but, even to > this day it is taking its toll in human life. The > nuclear bomb tests also occurred on Indian land, > resulting in radioactive blow-overs and contamination > of ground water as a result of underground tests. The > Bush Administration wants to resume those tests. > On the reservations where this occurred the > corporations didn't have to clean up after themselves > and no one is making them take responsibility today. > There are hills of radioactive tailings over 100 feet > high which distributes dust over the entire > reservation. On one reservation, the corporation built > a road and a Council House. The concrete they used > contained the radioactive tailings in it. That is why > so many American Indians believe they were used as > guinea pigs in an experiment on radiation exposure. > Remember, the nuclear arms program had a considerable > number of Nazis in it. The streams are contaminated > the ground water is contaminated. The highest infant > mortality rate in the nation is on these reservations. > As a matter of fact, it is among the highest in the > world. Highest rate of deformity in the country, and > many many other diseases and the government and the > corporations will not take responsibility. The average > life span of a man is only 45 years. Most children > cannot expect to watch their grandparents grow old. > The Reagan Administration was extremely hostile > toward the American Indian. If you don't think so, > just type in Ronald Reagan and Native Americans and > find the words he had to say about Indians while he > was in Russia. It will really open your eyes. Reagan > cut the American Indian 10 xs what he cut the general > population. This included funds and other things, such > as health care, guaranteed by treaty. This forced many > more Indians to go down into the uranium mines, which > was probably his intention in the first place. Many > people suffered from hunger and the lack of medical > care. Certainly, people died. Reagan also started > supporting corrupt regimes in Central and South > America and basically using special ops. and other > means, against the underclass in that region of the > world. The underclass of course, is mostly made up of > Indians. > All of this is being done to exploit the natural > resources in that region: oil, timber, minerals, etc. > by the multinational corporations. Of course this > continues today and Indians are being murdered at a > rate of more than 100,000 per year. It is a mass > extermination. Our government and the Shell Oil > Corporation had some sort of agreement or contract > with one of those countries. It has been some time > since I read about this, so I don't want to say which > country I think it is, because my memory might not be > exactly correct. However I know the source and I can > easily look it up again. However, I'll never forget > what the CEO of Shell Oil said in a critical > interview. He was asked for matters of morality and > ethics, if his corporation should not have done > business with this murderous regime. His answer was > they weren't in business for ethics but for whatever > benefits their bottom line and that he felt absolutely > no guilt or remorse. > In the Johnson years the American Indian had a > breather. Nixon tried to do some good things for the > American Indian. However, Nixon established the "Dead > Zones" on the reservations. The "Dead Zones" were > areas where nuclear waist is to be buried and declared > unfit for human habitation for the life of the > radioactivity, which was over i million years. These > "dead Zones" were to expand as the country needed more > space to dump its radioactive waist. > In the 1970s we discovered that at least 46% of > reservation women were forcibly sterilized. Some were > done while they had another operation, others were > threatened with the removal of the children they had. > Some American Indians believe the program continues in > secret to this very day. There was the outright > stealing of children to be adopted by Euro-Americans. > In all of these horrible things not one person was > investigated or punished. > In 1997 the state of South Dakota stole 167,000 > acres from the Nakota, Dakota, Lakota people and the > Reagan appointed Supreme Court refused to hear the > appeal. Now the state of South Dakota is attacking > Indigenous water rights. > The Western Shoshone are now homeless. In > violation of the "Treaty of Friendship of 1863" and > agreements signed with the "Organization of American > States" as well as with the "United Nations" the > "Bureau of Land Management" sold, without the > permission of the Western Shoshone People, the land to > a gold mining corporation. The Shoshone people were > warned that their property would be confiscated and > auctioned, they would be arrested or worse if they > didn't leave the land. Land that the "Treaty of > Friendship" states the Shoshone have occupied since > time immemorial. The BLM then went on to confiscate > their cattle and horses, which they use to make a > living, and auctioned them off. > The OAS and the UN asked the US to stay its > action and the US arrogantly refused to respond. You > can read everything about this at the "Indian Law > Resource Center", <www.indianlaw.org> > Now you might ask, why don't you know about these > things? Well, just as the multi-nationals own the > White House, the legislature and even many of the > judiciary, they own the media and all of the news > outlets. General Electric and Westinghouse, e.g. were > two of the biggest perpetrators of the uranium terror > on the reservations. They are both heavily invested in > electronic media and are able to control portions of > the news as a result. This is only two out of many > multinational energy corporations that have a > financial interest in the news media, and therefore > control the information you receive. > My final concern is that the Bush Administration > has an Indian policy of "Disestablishment". Sounds > like "Termination" to me. > I guess I'd better leave at this point while I'm > ahead. I'm probably in enough trouble and I don't wish > to offend anyone with an inappropriate topic, even > though I'm not the one who brought it up. > > Sincerely: > Imafo > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the list. Write to me, the listowner, at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Just for everyone's information, one of the important players in modern genocide in the US (as well as Hitler Germany) is the American Psychiatric Association, who want to use schools to "eliminate all cultural differences" (their words not mine). George Ann >From: Richard Wilson <imafo2002@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] slavery >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:37:42 -0700 (PDT) > > Halito All: > > I apologize for the incomplete posting. I was >typing away and all of a sudden, click and I see a >"message has been sent". I don't know how it happened. >I must have accidently hit enter while I was typing. I >have done that before. I am not the greatest typist in >the world. I will just start with the last paragraph >that got broken up. > Now how does the U.S.reward this loyalty and >bravery? Well, with allotment, removal, termination, >and the stealing of Indian children and locking them >up in boarding schools. This is where much of the >decimation of Indian culture has occurred. Forbidden >to speak their native language or wear native clothing >at the risk of, at times severe punishment. They were >even forced to stay with Euro-Americans during the >Summer, so they wouldn't be "corrupted" by their >families. All of these things, I have mentioned, which >were done to African-Americans and the American >Indian, not to mention other groups, would have been >violations of the "Genocide Treaty" using Raphael >Lemkin's definition of genocide. This is why the U.S, >fought against the "genocide Treaty" longer than any >other country, including the U.S.S.R. and China. The >entire world knows about these things except the >citizens of the U.S. They are kept in the dark, while >the government, the powerful and wealthy and the >corporate thugs exploit the world. That is why the >world hates the U.S., not because they are jealous of >our position in the world. > From the Eisenhower through the Reagan years the >"Indian Territory" was exploited by the government and >the corporations for energy resources. This was >especially damaging where uranium deposits were found. >They used an Indian work-force and of course did not >use the precautions that they would have if a white >work-force was used. They also didn't take the >environmental precautions they have had to take in a >Euro-American community. of course this saved them a >whole lot of money, not to mention the fact that the >U.S. taxpayer paid for the cost of the mining in many >instances. Of course all of these things fattened the >pocketbook of the energy corporations but, even to >this day it is taking its toll in human life. The >nuclear bomb tests also occurred on Indian land, >resulting in radioactive blow-overs and contamination >of ground water as a result of underground tests. The >Bush Administration wants to resume those tests. > On the reservations where this occurred the >corporations didn't have to clean up after themselves >and no one is making them take responsibility today. >There are hills of radioactive tailings over 100 feet >high which distributes dust over the entire >reservation. On one reservation, the corporation built >a road and a Council House. The concrete they used >contained the radioactive tailings in it. That is why >so many American Indians believe they were used as >guinea pigs in an experiment on radiation exposure. >Remember, the nuclear arms program had a considerable >number of Nazis in it. The streams are contaminated >the ground water is contaminated. The highest infant >mortality rate in the nation is on these reservations. >As a matter of fact, it is among the highest in the >world. Highest rate of deformity in the country, and >many many other diseases and the government and the >corporations will not take responsibility. The average >life span of a man is only 45 years. Most children >cannot expect to watch their grandparents grow old. > The Reagan Administration was extremely hostile >toward the American Indian. If you don't think so, >just type in Ronald Reagan and Native Americans and >find the words he had to say about Indians while he >was in Russia. It will really open your eyes. Reagan >cut the American Indian 10 xs what he cut the general >population. This included funds and other things, such >as health care, guaranteed by treaty. This forced many >more Indians to go down into the uranium mines, which >was probably his intention in the first place. Many >people suffered from hunger and the lack of medical >care. Certainly, people died. Reagan also started >supporting corrupt regimes in Central and South >America and basically using special ops. and other >means, against the underclass in that region of the >world. The underclass of course, is mostly made up of >Indians. > All of this is being done to exploit the natural >resources in that region: oil, timber, minerals, etc. >by the multinational corporations. Of course this >continues today and Indians are being murdered at a >rate of more than 100,000 per year. It is a mass >extermination. Our government and the Shell Oil >Corporation had some sort of agreement or contract >with one of those countries. It has been some time >since I read about this, so I don't want to say which >country I think it is, because my memory might not be >exactly correct. However I know the source and I can >easily look it up again. However, I'll never forget >what the CEO of Shell Oil said in a critical >interview. He was asked for matters of morality and >ethics, if his corporation should not have done >business with this murderous regime. His answer was >they weren't in business for ethics but for whatever >benefits their bottom line and that he felt absolutely >no guilt or remorse. > In the Johnson years the American Indian had a >breather. Nixon tried to do some good things for the >American Indian. However, Nixon established the "Dead >Zones" on the reservations. The "Dead Zones" were >areas where nuclear waist is to be buried and declared >unfit for human habitation for the life of the >radioactivity, which was over i million years. These >"dead Zones" were to expand as the country needed more >space to dump its radioactive waist. > In the 1970s we discovered that at least 46% of >reservation women were forcibly sterilized. Some were >done while they had another operation, others were >threatened with the removal of the children they had. >Some American Indians believe the program continues in >secret to this very day. There was the outright >stealing of children to be adopted by Euro-Americans. >In all of these horrible things not one person was >investigated or punished. > In 1997 the state of South Dakota stole 167,000 >acres from the Nakota, Dakota, Lakota people and the >Reagan appointed Supreme Court refused to hear the >appeal. Now the state of South Dakota is attacking >Indigenous water rights. > The Western Shoshone are now homeless. In >violation of the "Treaty of Friendship of 1863" and >agreements signed with the "Organization of American >States" as well as with the "United Nations" the >"Bureau of Land Management" sold, without the >permission of the Western Shoshone People, the land to >a gold mining corporation. The Shoshone people were >warned that their property would be confiscated and >auctioned, they would be arrested or worse if they >didn't leave the land. Land that the "Treaty of >Friendship" states the Shoshone have occupied since >time immemorial. The BLM then went on to confiscate >their cattle and horses, which they use to make a >living, and auctioned them off. > The OAS and the UN asked the US to stay its >action and the US arrogantly refused to respond. You >can read everything about this at the "Indian Law >Resource Center", <www.indianlaw.org> > Now you might ask, why don't you know about these >things? Well, just as the multi-nationals own the >White House, the legislature and even many of the >judiciary, they own the media and all of the news >outlets. General Electric and Westinghouse, e.g. were >two of the biggest perpetrators of the uranium terror >on the reservations. They are both heavily invested in > electronic media and are able to control portions of >the news as a result. This is only two out of many >multinational energy corporations that have a >financial interest in the news media, and therefore >control the information you receive. > My final concern is that the Bush Administration >has an Indian policy of "Disestablishment". Sounds >like "Termination" to me. > I guess I'd better leave at this point while I'm >ahead. I'm probably in enough trouble and I don't wish >to offend anyone with an inappropriate topic, even >though I'm not the one who brought it up. > > Sincerely: > Imafo > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes >http://finance.yahoo.com > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== >Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the >list. 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Richard, according to Hitler, he based his racial policies on those of the US. If anyone is interested in this topic, I have a book coming out in the next several months entitled Holocaust of Native America: An Introduction. Achukma Hoke George Ann >From: Richard Wilson <imafo2002@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] slavery >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:22:40 -0700 (PDT) > > Halito All: > > I have much today to discuss so I must do it in >several postings as it covers disparate topics. I >cannot resist the discussion about the treatment of >our ancestors. Now I know this is not appropriate so I >will only begin on this site and will transfer the >debate to the other list if anyone chooses. However, >our people are in terrible distress and danger not >seen since the "Termination Period". Now I am going to >disagree with people who have been quite helpful to >others. Please don't take this personally, because it >isn't. I only do this because I think it is very >important and we must keep informed. I will not bring >it up or discuss it on this site again. > We must remember that the history books are >written by Euro-Americans for consumption by >Euro-Americans and the indoctrination of immigrants, >children and other races into the glories of Western >thought, history and superiority. In other words, with >an Euro-centric and/or Euro-Americentric bias. > Secondly, I am very happy to let the past go, if >there were only some remorse on the part of the >government, powerful and wealthy individuals as well >as the numerous multi-national corporations who >continue to perpetrate this genocide against the >American Indian. If you don't believe this, lets just >take a look at recent and current history. > First let me begin with a person by the name of >Raphael Lemkin. Raphael Lemkin was hired by the >Carnegie Foundation to study war crimes in the "Third >Reich" and to propose international legal solutions. >He is also the person who invented the term >"genocide". >Lemkin gave the term genocide a 5-part definition, >which I don't remember verbatim, but I certainly do >remember all of the main elements. Genocide is the >occupation and forced removal of sovereignty and/or >political control and/or power from a people, which >might also include changing the national language, >destroying cultural institutions and churches, etc. It >is the forced removal of a people from their land. It >is the use of forced labor and/or labor under very >dangerous conditions and very poor wages. It is the >causing of the population of a people to decrease in >its ability to reproduce. It is the destruction of >their economy. Finally, it is extermination. You >didn't have to have all of these things occurring to >have genocide. The Nazis might have some people in >slave labor and starved them, thereby reducing their >ability to reproduce and slowly exterminating them; >while with other groups they may have occupied their >country, eliminated sovereignty, changed the national >language, etc. > Although the U.S. led the way for the "genocide >Convention" it fought any passage of the treaty every >step of the way. First, along with the U.S.S.R. and >China the U.S. eliminated various parts of the >genocide definition until it became virtually useless. >When the various proposals were sent to Capital Hill >for study, various senators and congressman objected >against having Raphael Lemkin testify, because he >wasn't white and was Jewish. An internationally >renouned jurist and the person who invented the term >genocide was prevented from testifying in our >legislature because of anti-semitism. > After years of fighting this treaty, making the >definition useless and building in protections for >itself that no other country has, and after >considerable world condemnation, the U.S.became the >last country to sign the treaty in the 1980s, very >reluctantly I might add. > Now why might the U.S. do this? Well in the 1940s >in the south African-Americans were hanging from trees >like"strange fruit" to borrow a line from a song made >famous by Billie Holliday. The African-American also >could not vote in the south. The American Indian after >being drafted into service in one war without the >benefit of citizenship, but yet volunteered at a >higher rate than the general population in all of the >wars of the 20th Century and had a better record than >any other group, i.e. desertion, etc., then was forced >to accept U.S. citizenship with the passage of the >American Indian Citizenship Act. > Now how does the U.S.reward this loyalty and >bravery? Well, with allottment, removal and >termination. All of these things done to >African-Americans and the American Indian, not to >mention other groups,would have been violations of the >"genocide Treaty" using Raphael Lemkin's definition of >genocide. That is why the U.S. > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes >http://finance.yahoo.com > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== >Need more CHOCTAW information. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SPAIN and MCKNIGHT Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/975 Message Board Post: I am searching for descendents of Thomas D and Mary McKnight SPAIN. Thomas was born ca 1814 N. Carolina and Mary ca 1824 in the old Choctaw Nation east of the Mississippi. Their children were: L. Philander b. ca 1845 in Miss; William H. b. ca 1841 in Miss; Phidolia b. May 1850 Guadalupe Co, TX; Thomas G. b. 23 Feb 1853 Seguin, Guadalupe Co, TX; Jubel B b. ca 1855 Guadalupe Co, TX; David McKnight b. ca 1857 Guadalupe Co, TX; Sidney Beauregard b. 23 Apr 1862 Guadalupe Co, TX. All of the children were on the Dawes rolls.

Oh really now....this is the first I have heard of that...We know what "eliminate all cultural differences" means... Where do I find the article that makes this absurd statement on the net? B.E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "george ann gregory" <wood_owl@hotmail.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] slavery > Just for everyone's information, one of the important players in modern > genocide in the US (as well as Hitler Germany) is the American Psychiatric > Association, who want to use schools to "eliminate all cultural differences" > (their words not mine). > > George Ann > > > >From: Richard Wilson <imafo2002@yahoo.com> > >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] slavery > >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:37:42 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Halito All: > > > > I apologize for the incomplete posting. I was > >typing away and all of a sudden, click and I see a > >"message has been sent". I don't know how it happened. > >I must have accidently hit enter while I was typing. I > >have done that before. I am not the greatest typist in > >the world. I will just start with the last paragraph > >that got broken up. > > Now how does the U.S.reward this loyalty and > >bravery? Well, with allotment, removal, termination, > >and the stealing of Indian children and locking them > >up in boarding schools. This is where much of the > >decimation of Indian culture has occurred. Forbidden > >to speak their native language or wear native clothing > >at the risk of, at times severe punishment. They were > >even forced to stay with Euro-Americans during the > >Summer, so they wouldn't be "corrupted" by their > >families. All of these things, I have mentioned, which > >were done to African-Americans and the American > >Indian, not to mention other groups, would have been > >violations of the "Genocide Treaty" using Raphael > >Lemkin's definition of genocide. This is why the U.S, > >fought against the "genocide Treaty" longer than any > >other country, including the U.S.S.R. and China. The > >entire world knows about these things except the > >citizens of the U.S. They are kept in the dark, while > >the government, the powerful and wealthy and the > >corporate thugs exploit the world. That is why the > >world hates the U.S., not because they are jealous of > >our position in the world. > > From the Eisenhower through the Reagan years the > >"Indian Territory" was exploited by the government and > >the corporations for energy resources. This was > >especially damaging where uranium deposits were found. > >They used an Indian work-force and of course did not > >use the precautions that they would have if a white > >work-force was used. They also didn't take the > >environmental precautions they have had to take in a > >Euro-American community. of course this saved them a > >whole lot of money, not to mention the fact that the > >U.S. taxpayer paid for the cost of the mining in many > >instances. Of course all of these things fattened the > >pocketbook of the energy corporations but, even to > >this day it is taking its toll in human life. The > >nuclear bomb tests also occurred on Indian land, > >resulting in radioactive blow-overs and contamination > >of ground water as a result of underground tests. The > >Bush Administration wants to resume those tests. > > On the reservations where this occurred the > >corporations didn't have to clean up after themselves > >and no one is making them take responsibility today. > >There are hills of radioactive tailings over 100 feet > >high which distributes dust over the entire > >reservation. On one reservation, the corporation built > >a road and a Council House. The concrete they used > >contained the radioactive tailings in it. That is why > >so many American Indians believe they were used as > >guinea pigs in an experiment on radiation exposure. > >Remember, the nuclear arms program had a considerable > >number of Nazis in it. The streams are contaminated > >the ground water is contaminated. The highest infant > >mortality rate in the nation is on these reservations. > >As a matter of fact, it is among the highest in the > >world. Highest rate of deformity in the country, and > >many many other diseases and the government and the > >corporations will not take responsibility. The average > >life span of a man is only 45 years. Most children > >cannot expect to watch their grandparents grow old. > > The Reagan Administration was extremely hostile > >toward the American Indian. If you don't think so, > >just type in Ronald Reagan and Native Americans and > >find the words he had to say about Indians while he > >was in Russia. It will really open your eyes. Reagan > >cut the American Indian 10 xs what he cut the general > >population. This included funds and other things, such > >as health care, guaranteed by treaty. This forced many > >more Indians to go down into the uranium mines, which > >was probably his intention in the first place. Many > >people suffered from hunger and the lack of medical > >care. Certainly, people died. Reagan also started > >supporting corrupt regimes in Central and South > >America and basically using special ops. and other > >means, against the underclass in that region of the > >world. The underclass of course, is mostly made up of > >Indians. > > All of this is being done to exploit the natural > >resources in that region: oil, timber, minerals, etc. > >by the multinational corporations. Of course this > >continues today and Indians are being murdered at a > >rate of more than 100,000 per year. It is a mass > >extermination. Our government and the Shell Oil > >Corporation had some sort of agreement or contract > >with one of those countries. It has been some time > >since I read about this, so I don't want to say which > >country I think it is, because my memory might not be > >exactly correct. However I know the source and I can > >easily look it up again. However, I'll never forget > >what the CEO of Shell Oil said in a critical > >interview. He was asked for matters of morality and > >ethics, if his corporation should not have done > >business with this murderous regime. His answer was > >they weren't in business for ethics but for whatever > >benefits their bottom line and that he felt absolutely > >no guilt or remorse. > > In the Johnson years the American Indian had a > >breather. Nixon tried to do some good things for the > >American Indian. However, Nixon established the "Dead > >Zones" on the reservations. The "Dead Zones" were > >areas where nuclear waist is to be buried and declared > >unfit for human habitation for the life of the > >radioactivity, which was over i million years. These > >"dead Zones" were to expand as the country needed more > >space to dump its radioactive waist. > > In the 1970s we discovered that at least 46% of > >reservation women were forcibly sterilized. Some were > >done while they had another operation, others were > >threatened with the removal of the children they had. > >Some American Indians believe the program continues in > >secret to this very day. There was the outright > >stealing of children to be adopted by Euro-Americans. > >In all of these horrible things not one person was > >investigated or punished. > > In 1997 the state of South Dakota stole 167,000 > >acres from the Nakota, Dakota, Lakota people and the > >Reagan appointed Supreme Court refused to hear the > >appeal. Now the state of South Dakota is attacking > >Indigenous water rights. > > The Western Shoshone are now homeless. In > >violation of the "Treaty of Friendship of 1863" and > >agreements signed with the "Organization of American > >States" as well as with the "United Nations" the > >"Bureau of Land Management" sold, without the > >permission of the Western Shoshone People, the land to > >a gold mining corporation. The Shoshone people were > >warned that their property would be confiscated and > >auctioned, they would be arrested or worse if they > >didn't leave the land. Land that the "Treaty of > >Friendship" states the Shoshone have occupied since > >time immemorial. The BLM then went on to confiscate > >their cattle and horses, which they use to make a > >living, and auctioned them off. > > The OAS and the UN asked the US to stay its > >action and the US arrogantly refused to respond. You > >can read everything about this at the "Indian Law > >Resource Center", <www.indianlaw.org> > > Now you might ask, why don't you know about these > >things? Well, just as the multi-nationals own the > >White House, the legislature and even many of the > >judiciary, they own the media and all of the news > >outlets. General Electric and Westinghouse, e.g. were > >two of the biggest perpetrators of the uranium terror > >on the reservations. They are both heavily invested in > > electronic media and are able to control portions of > >the news as a result. This is only two out of many > >multinational energy corporations that have a > >financial interest in the news media, and therefore > >control the information you receive. > > My final concern is that the Bush Administration > >has an Indian policy of "Disestablishment". Sounds > >like "Termination" to me. > > I guess I'd better leave at this point while I'm > >ahead. I'm probably in enough trouble and I don't wish > >to offend anyone with an inappropriate topic, even > >though I'm not the one who brought it up. > > > > Sincerely: > > Imafo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > >http://finance.yahoo.com > > > > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > >Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the > >list. 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Imafo: Yokoke for sharing this information with us. These are things we need to know. Although most of us are tracing our family history, it is important to know what has happened to our ancestors and surviving relatives. To my knowledge, my Choctaw ancestors that I've identified thus far remained in Mississippi. However, that does not mean that some of their relatives and friends didn't relocate to Oklahoma and went through the horrors you speak of. I'm happy to know these things and have always felt that the right to vote and elect my choice is important. Yes, I've been a Democrat and will probably vote that way for the rest of my life. Now I want to know what can I do to help our Native American people, not just the Choctaw, but all Native Americans because they are suffering equally? Lori

Halito All: I apologize for the incomplete posting. I was typing away and all of a sudden, click and I see a "message has been sent". I don't know how it happened. I must have accidently hit enter while I was typing. I have done that before. I am not the greatest typist in the world. I will just start with the last paragraph that got broken up. Now how does the U.S.reward this loyalty and bravery? Well, with allotment, removal, termination, and the stealing of Indian children and locking them up in boarding schools. This is where much of the decimation of Indian culture has occurred. Forbidden to speak their native language or wear native clothing at the risk of, at times severe punishment. They were even forced to stay with Euro-Americans during the Summer, so they wouldn't be "corrupted" by their families. All of these things, I have mentioned, which were done to African-Americans and the American Indian, not to mention other groups, would have been violations of the "Genocide Treaty" using Raphael Lemkin's definition of genocide. This is why the U.S, fought against the "genocide Treaty" longer than any other country, including the U.S.S.R. and China. The entire world knows about these things except the citizens of the U.S. They are kept in the dark, while the government, the powerful and wealthy and the corporate thugs exploit the world. That is why the world hates the U.S., not because they are jealous of our position in the world. From the Eisenhower through the Reagan years the "Indian Territory" was exploited by the government and the corporations for energy resources. This was especially damaging where uranium deposits were found. They used an Indian work-force and of course did not use the precautions that they would have if a white work-force was used. They also didn't take the environmental precautions they have had to take in a Euro-American community. of course this saved them a whole lot of money, not to mention the fact that the U.S. taxpayer paid for the cost of the mining in many instances. Of course all of these things fattened the pocketbook of the energy corporations but, even to this day it is taking its toll in human life. The nuclear bomb tests also occurred on Indian land, resulting in radioactive blow-overs and contamination of ground water as a result of underground tests. The Bush Administration wants to resume those tests. On the reservations where this occurred the corporations didn't have to clean up after themselves and no one is making them take responsibility today. There are hills of radioactive tailings over 100 feet high which distributes dust over the entire reservation. On one reservation, the corporation built a road and a Council House. The concrete they used contained the radioactive tailings in it. That is why so many American Indians believe they were used as guinea pigs in an experiment on radiation exposure. Remember, the nuclear arms program had a considerable number of Nazis in it. The streams are contaminated the ground water is contaminated. The highest infant mortality rate in the nation is on these reservations. As a matter of fact, it is among the highest in the world. Highest rate of deformity in the country, and many many other diseases and the government and the corporations will not take responsibility. The average life span of a man is only 45 years. Most children cannot expect to watch their grandparents grow old. The Reagan Administration was extremely hostile toward the American Indian. If you don't think so, just type in Ronald Reagan and Native Americans and find the words he had to say about Indians while he was in Russia. It will really open your eyes. Reagan cut the American Indian 10 xs what he cut the general population. This included funds and other things, such as health care, guaranteed by treaty. This forced many more Indians to go down into the uranium mines, which was probably his intention in the first place. Many people suffered from hunger and the lack of medical care. Certainly, people died. Reagan also started supporting corrupt regimes in Central and South America and basically using special ops. and other means, against the underclass in that region of the world. The underclass of course, is mostly made up of Indians. All of this is being done to exploit the natural resources in that region: oil, timber, minerals, etc. by the multinational corporations. Of course this continues today and Indians are being murdered at a rate of more than 100,000 per year. It is a mass extermination. Our government and the Shell Oil Corporation had some sort of agreement or contract with one of those countries. It has been some time since I read about this, so I don't want to say which country I think it is, because my memory might not be exactly correct. However I know the source and I can easily look it up again. However, I'll never forget what the CEO of Shell Oil said in a critical interview. He was asked for matters of morality and ethics, if his corporation should not have done business with this murderous regime. His answer was they weren't in business for ethics but for whatever benefits their bottom line and that he felt absolutely no guilt or remorse. In the Johnson years the American Indian had a breather. Nixon tried to do some good things for the American Indian. However, Nixon established the "Dead Zones" on the reservations. The "Dead Zones" were areas where nuclear waist is to be buried and declared unfit for human habitation for the life of the radioactivity, which was over i million years. These "dead Zones" were to expand as the country needed more space to dump its radioactive waist. In the 1970s we discovered that at least 46% of reservation women were forcibly sterilized. Some were done while they had another operation, others were threatened with the removal of the children they had. Some American Indians believe the program continues in secret to this very day. There was the outright stealing of children to be adopted by Euro-Americans. In all of these horrible things not one person was investigated or punished. In 1997 the state of South Dakota stole 167,000 acres from the Nakota, Dakota, Lakota people and the Reagan appointed Supreme Court refused to hear the appeal. Now the state of South Dakota is attacking Indigenous water rights. The Western Shoshone are now homeless. In violation of the "Treaty of Friendship of 1863" and agreements signed with the "Organization of American States" as well as with the "United Nations" the "Bureau of Land Management" sold, without the permission of the Western Shoshone People, the land to a gold mining corporation. The Shoshone people were warned that their property would be confiscated and auctioned, they would be arrested or worse if they didn't leave the land. Land that the "Treaty of Friendship" states the Shoshone have occupied since time immemorial. The BLM then went on to confiscate their cattle and horses, which they use to make a living, and auctioned them off. The OAS and the UN asked the US to stay its action and the US arrogantly refused to respond. You can read everything about this at the "Indian Law Resource Center", <www.indianlaw.org> Now you might ask, why don't you know about these things? Well, just as the multi-nationals own the White House, the legislature and even many of the judiciary, they own the media and all of the news outlets. General Electric and Westinghouse, e.g. were two of the biggest perpetrators of the uranium terror on the reservations. They are both heavily invested in electronic media and are able to control portions of the news as a result. This is only two out of many multinational energy corporations that have a financial interest in the news media, and therefore control the information you receive. My final concern is that the Bush Administration has an Indian policy of "Disestablishment". Sounds like "Termination" to me. I guess I'd better leave at this point while I'm ahead. I'm probably in enough trouble and I don't wish to offend anyone with an inappropriate topic, even though I'm not the one who brought it up. Sincerely: Imafo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Halito all, Richard, Thank you for the thought provoking topic. There are some things which we do as humans that I will never fathom and holding someone prisoner/enslaving them is one. I try to be humble when I think of my own ancestry, I am irish,german,choctaw, a smidgen of cherokee and scottish. I know that there were many crooks in the bunch, probably some slave owners/traders and/or slaves. And I know there was also unfairness toward many of them. The story that sticks with me the most is what my choctaw grandfather told my dad who told me. In the mid-to late 1800's, his mother's parents were murdered while the family was going home leaving my great grandmother (at age 10 or so) and her younger brother to fend for themselves far from civilization in the prairie. They were dying -literally-of thirst when my "adopted" white great-great grandfather (who had gotten lost on his way to pick up his mail order bride) saw them and stopped, put them in the wagon, fed them, eventually found his bride and said something like "see what I picked up on the way here". They were allowed to stay in Oklahoma to raise the children which they did. And they grew up and had children and so on. So my dad said for me to keep in mind that our family wouldn't be part anything if it wasn't for a ditsy white guy with a big heart. Best wishes to all, Patricia Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Wilson <imafo2002@yahoo.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 12:22 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] slavery > Halito All: > > I have much today to discuss so I must do it in > several postings as it covers disparate topics. I > cannot resist the discussion about the treatment of > our ancestors. Now I know this is not appropriate so I > will only begin on this site and will transfer the > debate to the other list if anyone chooses. However, > our people are in terrible distress and danger not > seen since the "Termination Period". Now I am going to > disagree with people who have been quite helpful to > others. Please don't take this personally, because it > isn't. I only do this because I think it is very > important and we must keep informed. I will not bring > it up or discuss it on this site again. > We must remember that the history books are > written by Euro-Americans for consumption by > Euro-Americans and the indoctrination of immigrants, > children and other races into the glories of Western > thought, history and superiority. In other words, with > an Euro-centric and/or Euro-Americentric bias. > Secondly, I am very happy to let the past go, if > there were only some remorse on the part of the > government, powerful and wealthy individuals as well > as the numerous multi-national corporations who > continue to perpetrate this genocide against the > American Indian. If you don't believe this, lets just > take a look at recent and current history. > First let me begin with a person by the name of > Raphael Lemkin. Raphael Lemkin was hired by the > Carnegie Foundation to study war crimes in the "Third > Reich" and to propose international legal solutions. > He is also the person who invented the term > "genocide". > Lemkin gave the term genocide a 5-part definition, > which I don't remember verbatim, but I certainly do > remember all of the main elements. Genocide is the > occupation and forced removal of sovereignty and/or > political control and/or power from a people, which > might also include changing the national language, > destroying cultural institutions and churches, etc. It > is the forced removal of a people from their land. It > is the use of forced labor and/or labor under very > dangerous conditions and very poor wages. It is the > causing of the population of a people to decrease in > its ability to reproduce. It is the destruction of > their economy. Finally, it is extermination. You > didn't have to have all of these things occurring to > have genocide. The Nazis might have some people in > slave labor and starved them, thereby reducing their > ability to reproduce and slowly exterminating them; > while with other groups they may have occupied their > country, eliminated sovereignty, changed the national > language, etc. > Although the U.S. led the way for the "genocide > Convention" it fought any passage of the treaty every > step of the way. First, along with the U.S.S.R. and > China the U.S. eliminated various parts of the > genocide definition until it became virtually useless. > When the various proposals were sent to Capital Hill > for study, various senators and congressman objected > against having Raphael Lemkin testify, because he > wasn't white and was Jewish. An internationally > renouned jurist and the person who invented the term > genocide was prevented from testifying in our > legislature because of anti-semitism. > After years of fighting this treaty, making the > definition useless and building in protections for > itself that no other country has, and after > considerable world condemnation, the U.S.became the > last country to sign the treaty in the 1980s, very > reluctantly I might add. > Now why might the U.S. do this? Well in the 1940s > in the south African-Americans were hanging from trees > like"strange fruit" to borrow a line from a song made > famous by Billie Holliday. The African-American also > could not vote in the south. The American Indian after > being drafted into service in one war without the > benefit of citizenship, but yet volunteered at a > higher rate than the general population in all of the > wars of the 20th Century and had a better record than > any other group, i.e. desertion, etc., then was forced > to accept U.S. citizenship with the passage of the > American Indian Citizenship Act. > Now how does the U.S.reward this loyalty and > bravery? Well, with allottment, removal and > termination. All of these things done to > African-Americans and the American Indian, not to > mention other groups,would have been violations of the > "genocide Treaty" using Raphael Lemkin's definition of > genocide. That is why the U.S. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information. 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I was at Red Earth and got to see it happen and it was about time! ----- Original Message ----- From: <AhSweet1@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] question > In a message dated 8/30/02 10:47:49 PM Central Daylight Time, > JeanieAllenDavis@aol.com writes: > > > > Jeanie Davis > > > > I just look at the past as there is nothing we can do about it, we can > just try to make the present and future better. I am in Oklahoma and people > say 'everyone in Oklahoma has some Indian blood' - I just say 'yes, I sure > do!'. Oklahoma City just had a new dome put on our capital building and one > top of it was put a beautiful statue of an Indian, representing every tribe > of Indian, not just a specific one. He was designed by one of our state > senators - an Indian!!!!!! > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking for ancestor's name? Check our archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST >

In a message dated 8/30/2002 10:28:23 PM Central Daylight Time, j_bunch68@yahoo.com writes: > I've been researching the ancestry of the Ladner family and have come a Paul > Victor Cox m. Armina Ladner 25 Dec 1888 in Ocean Springs, MS. Not sure if > this may help. > Hello J_Bunch68, there is a very lengthy 2 volume tome on the Ladner Odyssey written by Nap Cassibry III in 1987 for the Miss. Coast Historical & Geneaological Society. The address of the Society is P. O. Box 513, Biloxi, Mississippi 39533. You may want to write to them about Ladner questions. I don't know if they have a website or email address. The last printing of this work was in 2000. I don't know when another will be printed. It is roughly a thousand pages and might be found in a genealogical section in your library. I have some Ladner ancestors and others on the list do as well. None that you have mentioned though are any that I am familiar with. John Craven New Orleans

In a message dated 8/30/2002 4:20:01 PM Central Daylight Time, wood_owl@hotmail.com writes: > > This isn't my area of primary research; however, historians who study > slavery claim that what occurred in the US in the South is unprecedented in > cruelty. > > George Ann > A lot of historians claim a lot of things. Sometimes they are right. Sometimes. John Craven New Orleans

I don't see why you should'nt continue on this list as it does pertain to genealogy...and I'm sure in their searches the people of this list want to know the truth..else why bother with genealogy at all? But that's just my opinion.. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wilson" <imafo2002@yahoo.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 2:22 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] slavery > Halito All: > > I have much today to discuss so I must do it in > several postings as it covers disparate topics. I > cannot resist the discussion about the treatment of > our ancestors. Now I know this is not appropriate so I > will only begin on this site and will transfer the > debate to the other list if anyone chooses. However, > our people are in terrible distress and danger not > seen since the "Termination Period". Now I am going to > disagree with people who have been quite helpful to > others. Please don't take this personally, because it > isn't. I only do this because I think it is very > important and we must keep informed. I will not bring > it up or discuss it on this site again. > We must remember that the history books are > written by Euro-Americans for consumption by > Euro-Americans and the indoctrination of immigrants, > children and other races into the glories of Western > thought, history and superiority. In other words, with > an Euro-centric and/or Euro-Americentric bias. > Secondly, I am very happy to let the past go, if > there were only some remorse on the part of the > government, powerful and wealthy individuals as well > as the numerous multi-national corporations who > continue to perpetrate this genocide against the > American Indian. If you don't believe this, lets just > take a look at recent and current history. > First let me begin with a person by the name of > Raphael Lemkin. Raphael Lemkin was hired by the > Carnegie Foundation to study war crimes in the "Third > Reich" and to propose international legal solutions. > He is also the person who invented the term > "genocide". > Lemkin gave the term genocide a 5-part definition, > which I don't remember verbatim, but I certainly do > remember all of the main elements. Genocide is the > occupation and forced removal of sovereignty and/or > political control and/or power from a people, which > might also include changing the national language, > destroying cultural institutions and churches, etc. It > is the forced removal of a people from their land. It > is the use of forced labor and/or labor under very > dangerous conditions and very poor wages. It is the > causing of the population of a people to decrease in > its ability to reproduce. It is the destruction of > their economy. Finally, it is extermination. You > didn't have to have all of these things occurring to > have genocide. The Nazis might have some people in > slave labor and starved them, thereby reducing their > ability to reproduce and slowly exterminating them; > while with other groups they may have occupied their > country, eliminated sovereignty, changed the national > language, etc. > Although the U.S. led the way for the "genocide > Convention" it fought any passage of the treaty every > step of the way. First, along with the U.S.S.R. and > China the U.S. eliminated various parts of the > genocide definition until it became virtually useless. > When the various proposals were sent to Capital Hill > for study, various senators and congressman objected > against having Raphael Lemkin testify, because he > wasn't white and was Jewish. An internationally > renouned jurist and the person who invented the term > genocide was prevented from testifying in our > legislature because of anti-semitism. > After years of fighting this treaty, making the > definition useless and building in protections for > itself that no other country has, and after > considerable world condemnation, the U.S.became the > last country to sign the treaty in the 1980s, very > reluctantly I might add. > Now why might the U.S. do this? Well in the 1940s > in the south African-Americans were hanging from trees > like"strange fruit" to borrow a line from a song made > famous by Billie Holliday. The African-American also > could not vote in the south. The American Indian after > being drafted into service in one war without the > benefit of citizenship, but yet volunteered at a > higher rate than the general population in all of the > wars of the 20th Century and had a better record than > any other group, i.e. desertion, etc., then was forced > to accept U.S. citizenship with the passage of the > American Indian Citizenship Act. > Now how does the U.S.reward this loyalty and > bravery? Well, with allottment, removal and > termination. All of these things done to > African-Americans and the American Indian, not to > mention other groups,would have been violations of the > "genocide Treaty" using Raphael Lemkin's definition of > genocide. That is why the U.S. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information. 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According to one reading that I have seen, degree of blood was determined by whoever was doing the enrolling, i.e. a white person and a stranger to the community. Also, some members on this list have already presented evidence that the Dawes Commission, like previous commissions and agents, just plain refused to sign folks up. George Ann >From: deana peirce <choctaw74@prodigy.net> >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw questions >Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:49:25 -0700 (PDT) > > >Hi list...I was at the OK Historical Society today reading more interviews >on my MCRs. Seems to me from alot of the apps I read that if they werent a >full blood they didnt get accepted..has anyone else read any interviews and >thought that ?....anyways...in one of mine it has a letter from the "acting >chairman" to one of my Davis' saying that they did find a "P.Davis" on a >roll and if my Davis guy could prove this was his grandpa Paul the >commision wanted the proof at once...my question...Ive looked at the >Armstrong Roll and didnt see a P.Davis. (he died in 1876 and didnt leave >MS/AL Territory)...what other roll would the be talking about ?...The >interview was from Henry Davis M.C.2615......There was alot of family on >this application. Any ideas or suggestions Id really appreciate !!! > > > >deana > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== >Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the >list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

According to Byington, "crazy" is okpulot taha. If there is a "harcho" in Choctaw is probably is a borrowed word. Actually, I am wondering if it might not be borrowed anyway because of the "r." I don't have a Muskoke dictionary, but I do have an Alabama dictionary (a related language) and neither Alabama or Choctaw have that sound. George Ann >From: "Monty Olsen" <mrolsen@cherokeetel.com> >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Harjo Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:48:03 -0500 > >I had been under the impression tha Harjo was Creek for "crazy". See one >Sinta Harjo (Crazy Snake) who raised a little hell at one time. It would >correspond with the Choctaw work Harcho whch is "crazy". Correct me if I >am mistaken. >Monty Olsen > > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== >Need more CHOCTAW information. Try Judy White's NATIVE AMERICAN RESOURCE >CENTER at http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, newsletters, >lookups, articles, etc. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Lets add that while Native Americans served during the war. Their language became a very important commodity, think about "Choctaw Talk". Lori

It's interesting how we are discussing slavery that took place hundreds of years ago. The fact is that anyone today who has any color to his/her skin (excluding tanning) is still discriminated against. It's really sad that the bigotry continues to manifest itself from generation to generation. Think about it, just today we were asked to support our people in Oklahoma by sending a letter to the U.S. Senator. It is an important cause that we all need to take the time to send a letter. Lori