Sandy: Don't worry about hanging back. Say what you feel is in your heart and keep moving on. I found your comments quite interesting. As for your Gilliam Bounds not being on the Dawes Rolls, you might want to look at the "rejected" files. I found my ancestors there even though I know they were Choctaw. I obtained the case file numbers and ordered the case files. It was such interesting reading. So, be sure to check the rejected files. Good luck. Lori

Halito All: I just want to make a couple of comments in regard to this topic and then get on with my other "genealogical" business in my next posting. Firstly, the "Indian Law Resource Center" is extremely credible and is representing the Western Shoshone with the OAS and the UN. The reports on their web site are in fact the reports from the "Human Relations Commission" of the OAS and the UN. If you want to get the complete picture on the problem, The "Western Shoshone National Council" WSNC has an informational site at <www.alphacdc.com/wadp.landri.html>. If you want to help in any way, they have the "Western Shoshone Defense Project" Site at <www.alphacck.com/wsdp.landri.html> Of course if anyone continues to doubt the facts, they can enter Western Shoshone in Google Search or some other search engine and study the question themselves. I just wanted people to know the genocide has never ended. They're just more devious about it. What scares me most, they're beginning to act like they don't care who knows about it. SandyM, you should always speak your mind. If you make a mistake or you are misunderstood, you can always clarify. It's all about helping each other to get the information. If information were truly open and free, and not owned by the powerful, then I believe our people wouldn't be suffering this way or at least, not as much. In consideration of the American Psychiatric Association attempting to neutralize culture in some way, well I have to say it is very possible. Believe it or not, the very liberal and affable Patrick Moynihan, believed culture was the biggest danger to world peace and to this nation. Of course he and his colleagues wanted to convert every culture and nation to a westernized version, i.e. democratic capitalism. This in fact is the goal of the "Global Economy". The US wants to remake the world as copies of itself. This makes no sense from `a Socio/Cultural point of view. In biology, the broader the gene pool or the more diversity there is, the more robust the species. The same is true for societies. The more diversity you have the healthier and stronger your society is. Face it, we no longer have a republican form of democracy. We have a plutocracy. No matter who you vote for, that person's actions and vote are owned by the highest bidder. The only way to get power back to the people is to make laws that will not allow them to own the government or the information. I'm not talking about McCain/Feingold either. I am talking about laws that have stiff punishment for the person or corporation attempting to influence with money or to buy the news we hear, but also for the politicians and officials who are in league with them. This certainly isn't possible now but I am an optimist. If the people had the information, I think we might be surprised about the possibilities. I am not anti-white. If I was I would have to hate myself. I am Choctaw, Cherokee, Scot-Irish and English. I just want the powerful to be accountable. After all, we do hear those words, responsibility and accountability from them quite often. Especially from politicians who run and hide behind fancy attorneys whenever they are faced with responsibility or accountability. Although they use the words more than anyone else they don't truly know the meaning of those words. They are just empty words thrown about just as easily as a child throws a rock. How must they be accountable? They must first have true remorse, which I have yet to see. As long as they feel some justification for what they have done and continue to do, then it is not possible for them to change. They must return what they have taken and repair what they have destroyed. They must restore the body and soul of the Indian people, by providing the best possible medical care, restoring their cultures and languages by providing the money the people need to do the research to discover what they have lost. They must publically recognize what they have taken away and what they have destroyed in speeches, books and in the schools. All of the people of this country must be educated about what has happened and has continued to happen. They must restore all of the tribes and ensure they have a homeland as well as restore to all of the tribes as much land as possible especially in their original homeland. They must give ownership of all sacred sites to the appropriate tribes. I am not talking about government alone. I am talking about the corporations, wealthy land owners and the churches participating in the boarding school process, hospitals and other institutions participating in the child stealing and adoption rings. They must help restore the heritage of those who have lost it as a result of government genocidal activities. They must also restore the land they have destroyed. They not only stole the land but destroyed it with pollution, etc. They must reforest major parts of this land. There is only 2% of the forest since the European arrived. As others have mentioned on this site, I have always noticed something different about myself as have my friends and their parents as I grew up. That difference, I have known, now for some time, is that I am Choctaw. The more I learn about it the more sense there is to my life. That is why I wish so much for my family to be enrolled. I also want to live where there are more Choctaw people. I believe things will make even more sense to me. That brings to mind, the question about physical features, etc. There is the "Asian Fold". Only Asians, American Indians, Middle Easterners, and Melungeons have it. That is when the corner of the upper eye lid covers or goes over the top of the bottom eye lid. Sometimes you have to place your index finger by the corner of the eye and pull down a little to see it. A friend of mine's father always said he didn't like me because of the way my eyes looked. I suppose this is the reason. I was always getting comments about my appearance from people. Of course not all of them were negative. Everyone in my family has it, including the people who are very Caucasian looking. Of course with all of the genetic mixtures, not having it doesn't mean you are not of American Indian descent. I know this sounds fanciful but it would only be the beginning of justice as I understand the constitution, etc. Well, I'm off this topic for good. I'd better stop before I'm in trouble again. Sincerely: Imafo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Golden/Johnson/Lyles Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/976 Message Board Post: my grandmother Macie Ann Lyles Johnson Golden one of her parents is CHOCTAW and im not able to trace her parents.the family wont talk about her and want to try and find her parents.she was born in Oklahoma on 06/01/1892 Died 02/07/1959 Ballard,Adair County,Ok this is all the information i have if anyone has any records mentioning her and her parents it would be greatly appreciated Spouse #1 Robert Anderson Johnson Spouse #2 Charlie Golden

Barbara, I don't know if it is on the net. I quote that article in one of my older newsletters. I'll look for it and send you the source. George Ann >From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] eliminating cultures >Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 12:32:16 -0500 > >Oh really now....this is the first I have heard of that...We know what >"eliminate all cultural differences" means... >Where do I find the article that makes this absurd statement on the net? >B.E. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "george ann gregory" <wood_owl@hotmail.com> >To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 11:06 AM >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] slavery > > > > Just for everyone's information, one of the important players in modern > > genocide in the US (as well as Hitler Germany) is the American >Psychiatric > > Association, who want to use schools to "eliminate all cultural >differences" > > (their words not mine). > > > > George Ann > > > > > > >From: Richard Wilson <imafo2002@yahoo.com> > > >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] slavery > > >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:37:42 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > Halito All: > > > > > > I apologize for the incomplete posting. I was > > >typing away and all of a sudden, click and I see a > > >"message has been sent". I don't know how it happened. > > >I must have accidently hit enter while I was typing. I > > >have done that before. I am not the greatest typist in > > >the world. I will just start with the last paragraph > > >that got broken up. > > > Now how does the U.S.reward this loyalty and > > >bravery? Well, with allotment, removal, termination, > > >and the stealing of Indian children and locking them > > >up in boarding schools. This is where much of the > > >decimation of Indian culture has occurred. Forbidden > > >to speak their native language or wear native clothing > > >at the risk of, at times severe punishment. They were > > >even forced to stay with Euro-Americans during the > > >Summer, so they wouldn't be "corrupted" by their > > >families. All of these things, I have mentioned, which > > >were done to African-Americans and the American > > >Indian, not to mention other groups, would have been > > >violations of the "Genocide Treaty" using Raphael > > >Lemkin's definition of genocide. This is why the U.S, > > >fought against the "genocide Treaty" longer than any > > >other country, including the U.S.S.R. and China. The > > >entire world knows about these things except the > > >citizens of the U.S. They are kept in the dark, while > > >the government, the powerful and wealthy and the > > >corporate thugs exploit the world. That is why the > > >world hates the U.S., not because they are jealous of > > >our position in the world. > > > From the Eisenhower through the Reagan years the > > >"Indian Territory" was exploited by the government and > > >the corporations for energy resources. This was > > >especially damaging where uranium deposits were found. > > >They used an Indian work-force and of course did not > > >use the precautions that they would have if a white > > >work-force was used. They also didn't take the > > >environmental precautions they have had to take in a > > >Euro-American community. of course this saved them a > > >whole lot of money, not to mention the fact that the > > >U.S. taxpayer paid for the cost of the mining in many > > >instances. Of course all of these things fattened the > > >pocketbook of the energy corporations but, even to > > >this day it is taking its toll in human life. The > > >nuclear bomb tests also occurred on Indian land, > > >resulting in radioactive blow-overs and contamination > > >of ground water as a result of underground tests. The > > >Bush Administration wants to resume those tests. > > > On the reservations where this occurred the > > >corporations didn't have to clean up after themselves > > >and no one is making them take responsibility today. > > >There are hills of radioactive tailings over 100 feet > > >high which distributes dust over the entire > > >reservation. On one reservation, the corporation built > > >a road and a Council House. The concrete they used > > >contained the radioactive tailings in it. That is why > > >so many American Indians believe they were used as > > >guinea pigs in an experiment on radiation exposure. > > >Remember, the nuclear arms program had a considerable > > >number of Nazis in it. The streams are contaminated > > >the ground water is contaminated. The highest infant > > >mortality rate in the nation is on these reservations. > > >As a matter of fact, it is among the highest in the > > >world. Highest rate of deformity in the country, and > > >many many other diseases and the government and the > > >corporations will not take responsibility. The average > > >life span of a man is only 45 years. Most children > > >cannot expect to watch their grandparents grow old. > > > The Reagan Administration was extremely hostile > > >toward the American Indian. If you don't think so, > > >just type in Ronald Reagan and Native Americans and > > >find the words he had to say about Indians while he > > >was in Russia. It will really open your eyes. Reagan > > >cut the American Indian 10 xs what he cut the general > > >population. This included funds and other things, such > > >as health care, guaranteed by treaty. This forced many > > >more Indians to go down into the uranium mines, which > > >was probably his intention in the first place. Many > > >people suffered from hunger and the lack of medical > > >care. Certainly, people died. Reagan also started > > >supporting corrupt regimes in Central and South > > >America and basically using special ops. and other > > >means, against the underclass in that region of the > > >world. The underclass of course, is mostly made up of > > >Indians. > > > All of this is being done to exploit the natural > > >resources in that region: oil, timber, minerals, etc. > > >by the multinational corporations. Of course this > > >continues today and Indians are being murdered at a > > >rate of more than 100,000 per year. It is a mass > > >extermination. Our government and the Shell Oil > > >Corporation had some sort of agreement or contract > > >with one of those countries. It has been some time > > >since I read about this, so I don't want to say which > > >country I think it is, because my memory might not be > > >exactly correct. However I know the source and I can > > >easily look it up again. However, I'll never forget > > >what the CEO of Shell Oil said in a critical > > >interview. He was asked for matters of morality and > > >ethics, if his corporation should not have done > > >business with this murderous regime. His answer was > > >they weren't in business for ethics but for whatever > > >benefits their bottom line and that he felt absolutely > > >no guilt or remorse. > > > In the Johnson years the American Indian had a > > >breather. Nixon tried to do some good things for the > > >American Indian. However, Nixon established the "Dead > > >Zones" on the reservations. The "Dead Zones" were > > >areas where nuclear waist is to be buried and declared > > >unfit for human habitation for the life of the > > >radioactivity, which was over i million years. These > > >"dead Zones" were to expand as the country needed more > > >space to dump its radioactive waist. > > > In the 1970s we discovered that at least 46% of > > >reservation women were forcibly sterilized. Some were > > >done while they had another operation, others were > > >threatened with the removal of the children they had. > > >Some American Indians believe the program continues in > > >secret to this very day. There was the outright > > >stealing of children to be adopted by Euro-Americans. > > >In all of these horrible things not one person was > > >investigated or punished. > > > In 1997 the state of South Dakota stole 167,000 > > >acres from the Nakota, Dakota, Lakota people and the > > >Reagan appointed Supreme Court refused to hear the > > >appeal. Now the state of South Dakota is attacking > > >Indigenous water rights. > > > The Western Shoshone are now homeless. In > > >violation of the "Treaty of Friendship of 1863" and > > >agreements signed with the "Organization of American > > >States" as well as with the "United Nations" the > > >"Bureau of Land Management" sold, without the > > >permission of the Western Shoshone People, the land to > > >a gold mining corporation. The Shoshone people were > > >warned that their property would be confiscated and > > >auctioned, they would be arrested or worse if they > > >didn't leave the land. Land that the "Treaty of > > >Friendship" states the Shoshone have occupied since > > >time immemorial. The BLM then went on to confiscate > > >their cattle and horses, which they use to make a > > >living, and auctioned them off. > > > The OAS and the UN asked the US to stay its > > >action and the US arrogantly refused to respond. You > > >can read everything about this at the "Indian Law > > >Resource Center", <www.indianlaw.org> > > > Now you might ask, why don't you know about these > > >things? Well, just as the multi-nationals own the > > >White House, the legislature and even many of the > > >judiciary, they own the media and all of the news > > >outlets. General Electric and Westinghouse, e.g. were > > >two of the biggest perpetrators of the uranium terror > > >on the reservations. They are both heavily invested in > > > electronic media and are able to control portions of > > >the news as a result. This is only two out of many > > >multinational energy corporations that have a > > >financial interest in the news media, and therefore > > >control the information you receive. > > > My final concern is that the Bush Administration > > >has an Indian policy of "Disestablishment". Sounds > > >like "Termination" to me. > > > I guess I'd better leave at this point while I'm > > >ahead. I'm probably in enough trouble and I don't wish > > >to offend anyone with an inappropriate topic, even > > >though I'm not the one who brought it up. > > > > > > Sincerely: > > > Imafo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > >http://finance.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > >Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? 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Lori and Barbara, thanks for your kind words. I have been hanging back because I don't know if I really belong on this list, my heritage being very cloudy. Here is a message I composed a few days ago and was kinda shy about sending: Hi - I'm new to the list, and very new to geneology. My mother's folks came from Miss, and a family rumor is that we have a Native American forebear (Indian? I'm not sure of the PC, but the Seminole here in S. Fla. use the term "Indian"). The key person seems to be of the name "Bounds." I have found some Bounds' in one of the rolls NARA has, under "Choctaw by Birth," and "C. by Marriage," and I am fairly sure that my gggrandfather was Gilliam Bounds, m to "Lizzie," no maiden name, with 4 sons, Henry, John, Wilke, and Gilliam; and 2 daughters, Sally and Elizabeth. Gilliam is not one of the first names in the NARA rolls. No definite indication of where he was born/lived. Elizabeth Bounds m. William Jefferson Smith, my ggrandfather, probably in Hancock County, Miss., so I'm hoping that is where the Bounds' lived, to keep it simple. Elizabeth died in 1924. That is every bit of information I can glean so far. I hope I will not offend anyone, but are there physical characteristics that one can use to "pin down" genetic heritage? My grandfather, James Woodard Smith, had very prominent cheekbones, straight black hair, and his son, my uncle, has often been asked if he is Native, or even of Aisian descent. On the other hand, my mother's features were more Celtic - as a child I always thought she looked like Maureen O'Hara - auburn hair, those cheekbones, and freckles. Her brother, my uncle, is dark, short of stature, and there is an old b&w photo of him taken during the Korean War that I thought at first was a Korean soldier, when I was a child. So, who knows? It is wonderful to think that I am a mixture of many different parts of the human race -- it makes one much more interesting, I think! But I'd still like to know... Thanks for any help any of you can give me. SandyM

About physical characteristics...In some cases you can tell *partly* about someone's heritage, but only partly...Someone can look Indian, but also have African and/or white, or they can look African, but have Indian and/or white, or look white, and have Indian and/or African...Africans also have high cheekbones, so you can't assume high cheekbones are coming only from any Indian blood you may have...So again, you can only tell partly about someone's heritage from their looks..Doing genealogical research on them will tell you a lot more than their appearance will... Hope that helps.. B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "okeefolkie" <okeefolkie@mindspring.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:53 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Bounds family name > Lori and Barbara, thanks for your kind words. I have been hanging back > because > I don't know if I really belong on this list, my heritage being very cloudy. > Here is a message I composed a few days ago and was kinda shy about sending: > > Hi - I'm new to the list, and very new to geneology. My mother's folks came > from Miss, and a family rumor is that we have a Native American forebear > (Indian? I'm > not sure of the PC, but the Seminole here in S. Fla. use the term "Indian"). > > The key person seems to be of the name "Bounds." I have found some Bounds' > in one of the rolls NARA has, under "Choctaw by Birth," and "C. by > Marriage," and I am fairly sure that my gggrandfather was Gilliam Bounds, m > to "Lizzie," no maiden name, with 4 sons, Henry, John, Wilke, and Gilliam; > and 2 daughters, Sally and Elizabeth. Gilliam is not one of the first names > in the NARA rolls. No definite indication of where he was born/lived. > > Elizabeth Bounds m. William Jefferson Smith, my ggrandfather, probably in > Hancock County, Miss., so I'm hoping that is where the Bounds' lived, to > keep it simple. Elizabeth died in 1924. > That is every bit of information I can glean so far. > > I hope I will not offend anyone, but are there physical characteristics that > one can use to "pin down" genetic heritage? My grandfather, James Woodard > Smith, had very prominent cheekbones, straight black hair, and his son, my > uncle, has often been asked if he is Native, or even of Aisian descent. On > the other hand, my mother's features were more Celtic - as a child I always > thought she looked like Maureen O'Hara - auburn hair, those cheekbones, and > freckles. Her brother, my uncle, is dark, short of stature, and there is an > old > b&w photo of him taken during the Korean War that I thought at first was a > Korean > soldier, when I was a child. > > So, who knows? It is wonderful to think that I am a mixture of many > different parts of the human race -- it makes one much more interesting, I > think! But I'd still like to know... > > Thanks for any help any of you can give me. > > SandyM > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHAHTA-L list discussions on history, culture, language. Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes, nothing in the subject line, turn off signatures. > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

The following website makes the Dawes rolls a little more clear.. http://www.dickshovel.com/cleansing.html B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monty Olsen" <mrolsen@cherokeetel.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:16 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Dawes > The Dawes enrollment is a little more than just a list of those who received lands. Those on the list became the legal Choctaws. Recognized by the US government as Choctaws. We all know that there were Chotaws who were not on the Dawes lists. They are just as Choctaw as those on the lists. However, the legal status was not and is not the same. > Monty Olsen > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking for ancestor's name? Check our archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST > >

Yokoke, Dusty, for reminding us of what the "Dawes Rolls" really mean. Lori

The Dawes enrollment is a little more than just a list of those who received lands. Those on the list became the legal Choctaws. Recognized by the US government as Choctaws. We all know that there were Chotaws who were not on the Dawes lists. They are just as Choctaw as those on the lists. However, the legal status was not and is not the same. Monty Olsen

Is the correct spelling "Yakoke" or "Yokoke"? Thanks, Angelyn ------ Original Message ----- From: Lori0602h@aol.com Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2002 11:53am To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw questions Yokoke, Dusty, for reminding us of what the "Dawes Rolls" really mean. Lori ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking for ancestor's name? Check our archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST

Aho Teresa, you have expressed the feelings of many of our mixed blood brothers and sisters. I am Choctaw, Cherokee, Blackfoot and several Europ nations as well. But I consider me "all" Indian! I know who I am and who I will always be ---- I am me! Walk in beauty, Little Deer

I have a couple of genealogy questions. I am looking for the ancestors of John Moore who married Emilee Nancy Folsom and stayed in Miss. when the Choctaws were moved to Ark. He is listed on the 1831 list as someone who was white, wife full blood Indian, four children above 10, three below. There were several children that were already married. My husband descends from his son Martin who married Eleanor Boney. I know that some of the children that were living John must have applied for Indian citizenship. Did that make them automatically guaranteed of having it. One daughter Nancy, who married Capt. John Perry, tried to get it but they said she abandoned the land because she only stayed there for three years. Descendants of Silas were turned down because they could not "prove" that they were descendants of John, from what I understand, although a witness said he knew them and named Silas, Martin, and Jesse as the sons of JOhn. I think that John and Dempsey were also his sons that I have identified. The name Folsom seems to be well known among the Choctaw so it would seem that someone would be able to identify who Nancy was. I have looked at Folsom history but the history that was related by a descendant does not include Nancy marrying John Moore. They definitely were with the children of Nathaniel Folsom, so I assume she would be his daughter. Does anyone have any info on the Moore-Folsom family, or know where I could look. Many researchers have tried to crack this puzzle, I believe, and I am determined. When White-Indian marriages took place, were they recorded? Martin Moore was a Methodist Episcopalian minister, and I noticed that there were other well know Methodist Episcopalian ministers. Finding that Martin Moores was half Indian answers a lot of questions as to why he was living where he was in Georgia, Alabama, and Miss. His grandson, Andrew Clinton Moore, when living in Red River Co., Texas, married a "half Indian girl" named Nancy Matlock from Arkansas. We just know that her mother was named Josephine and have been unable to find a last name. I am wondering if his father, Jesse Redwine Moore, married an Indian girl when he married Ellender Watson. Are any of the Watsons Choctaw? They were married in Lafayette Co., Miss. I am hoping that someone will have some clues so we can identify John Moore and Nancy Folsom. Does anyone know where Nathaniel was when he married his Indian wives, or where his two brothers that also married Indian wives were living? Joyce Moore

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This type of message uses up our valuable archive space, and is not related to genealogy. dusty List Admin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Teressa <TSevcik@webtv.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 7:23 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Fwd: Correction - From the Chief: Please support a bill in Congress... > > --WebTV-Mail-18926-424 > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > i sure hope this is appropriate to send on this list......i am cherokee > and choctaw....and i think this is extemely important.....the gov't is > trying to take away the trusted land....please read and support this > issue.. > hope this is appropirate dusty..if not i apologize...but we all have to > stand together...it will affect all native americans in the future if > this bill passes > yakote > teressa > > > --WebTV-Mail-18926-424 > Content-Disposition: Inline > Content-Type: Message/RFC822 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > Received: from smtpin-2203.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.213.133) by > storefull-2318.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Fri, 30 Aug > 2002 16:40:24 -0700 (PDT) > Received: from INFOSERVER.cherokee.org (unknown [65.64.61.165]) by > smtpin-2203.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP > id 0D2B5FE4A; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:43:45 -0700 (PDT) > Received: from INFOSERVER (infoserver.cherokee.org [172.16.1.9]) by > INFOSERVER.cherokee.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# > 0-61253U3000L300S0V35) with SMTP id org for <newsletter@cherokee.org>; > Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:19:39 -0500 > Received: FROM TONIA8100 BY INFOSERVER ; Fri Aug 30 17:19:30 2002 -0500 > Reply-To: <CherokeeLink@cherokee.org> > Reply-To: webmaster@cherokee.org > From: "Cherokee Link Newsletter" <CherokeeLink@cherokee.org> > To: "Subscriptions" <newsletter@cherokee.org> > Subject: Correction - From the Chief: Please support a bill in Congress... > Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:22:46 -0500 > Organization: Cherokee Nation > Message-ID: <002601c25073$cabcff00$923d4041@cnmain.cherokee.local> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Importance: Normal > > Cherokee Link Newsletter > ************************** > Correction - I forgot the link to more info on the Bill in Congress... > http://www.cherokee.org/TribalGovernment/ChiefPage.asp?ID=08 > > Cherokee Link Newsletter > ************************** > > For The New HTML Format of the Newsletter: > (WebTV and AOL recommended usage) > http://www.cherokee.org/Messages/CherokeeLink/2002/Letter8-30-02.htm > <BR>AOL - <A > HREF="http://www.cherokee.org/Messages/CherokeeLink/2002/Letter8-30-02.h > tm">8-30-02 Newsletter</A> > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Osiyo, > > Dear Cherokee Citizen or Friend, > > Today I am asking you to support a bill in Congress that will protect > the restricted and trust land owned by individual Indians in eastern > Oklahoma. 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Keep in mind also what the "Dawes roll" is. It is simply a list of those who received land allotments in Indian Territory from the Dawes Act of 1887. Many Choctaws (and others) refused to move to Oklahoma, prefering to stay in their homeland. Many were rejected because they did not comply with the residency requirement- you had to live on the land in order to be given your land allotment. dusty ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lori0602h@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw questions > Deana: > > I agree with you that if an person who was interviewed by the Commission > could not prove full Choctaw, their enrollment application was denied. I > further believe that if the person did not know whether their parent(s), > ancestors, etc. signed the Dancing Rabbit Treaty (Article 14), their > enrollment application was also denied. > > I came to these conclusions from reading my great grandfather's, great great > grandmother's, great great great grandmother's and other relatives' > enrollment case files (MCR #s). Interestingly, they came to the interview > with an attorney. The attorney asked to submit proof that they were Choctaw. > However, none of the attorney's papers were included in the record and their > applications were denied. > > Lori > > Lori > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com >

Ok..thanks.. B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "george ann gregory" <wood_owl@hotmail.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] eliminating cultures > Barbara, I don't know if it is on the net. I quote that article in one of my > older newsletters. I'll look for it and send you the source. > > George Ann > > > >From: Barbara Ellison <greybird7@pisp.net> > >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] eliminating cultures > >Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 12:32:16 -0500 > > > >Oh really now....this is the first I have heard of that...We know what > >"eliminate all cultural differences" means... > >Where do I find the article that makes this absurd statement on the net? > >B.E. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "george ann gregory" <wood_owl@hotmail.com> > >To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 11:06 AM > >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] slavery > > > > > > > Just for everyone's information, one of the important players in modern > > > genocide in the US (as well as Hitler Germany) is the American > >Psychiatric > > > Association, who want to use schools to "eliminate all cultural > >differences" > > > (their words not mine). > > > > > > George Ann > > > > > > > > > >From: Richard Wilson <imafo2002@yahoo.com> > > > >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > > > >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] slavery > > > >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:37:42 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > Halito All: > > > > > > > > I apologize for the incomplete posting. I was > > > >typing away and all of a sudden, click and I see a > > > >"message has been sent". I don't know how it happened. > > > >I must have accidently hit enter while I was typing. I > > > >have done that before. I am not the greatest typist in > > > >the world. I will just start with the last paragraph > > > >that got broken up. > > > > Now how does the U.S.reward this loyalty and > > > >bravery? Well, with allotment, removal, termination, > > > >and the stealing of Indian children and locking them > > > >up in boarding schools. This is where much of the > > > >decimation of Indian culture has occurred. Forbidden > > > >to speak their native language or wear native clothing > > > >at the risk of, at times severe punishment. They were > > > >even forced to stay with Euro-Americans during the > > > >Summer, so they wouldn't be "corrupted" by their > > > >families. All of these things, I have mentioned, which > > > >were done to African-Americans and the American > > > >Indian, not to mention other groups, would have been > > > >violations of the "Genocide Treaty" using Raphael > > > >Lemkin's definition of genocide. This is why the U.S, > > > >fought against the "genocide Treaty" longer than any > > > >other country, including the U.S.S.R. and China. The > > > >entire world knows about these things except the > > > >citizens of the U.S. They are kept in the dark, while > > > >the government, the powerful and wealthy and the > > > >corporate thugs exploit the world. That is why the > > > >world hates the U.S., not because they are jealous of > > > >our position in the world. > > > > From the Eisenhower through the Reagan years the > > > >"Indian Territory" was exploited by the government and > > > >the corporations for energy resources. This was > > > >especially damaging where uranium deposits were found. > > > >They used an Indian work-force and of course did not > > > >use the precautions that they would have if a white > > > >work-force was used. They also didn't take the > > > >environmental precautions they have had to take in a > > > >Euro-American community. of course this saved them a > > > >whole lot of money, not to mention the fact that the > > > >U.S. taxpayer paid for the cost of the mining in many > > > >instances. Of course all of these things fattened the > > > >pocketbook of the energy corporations but, even to > > > >this day it is taking its toll in human life. The > > > >nuclear bomb tests also occurred on Indian land, > > > >resulting in radioactive blow-overs and contamination > > > >of ground water as a result of underground tests. The > > > >Bush Administration wants to resume those tests. > > > > On the reservations where this occurred the > > > >corporations didn't have to clean up after themselves > > > >and no one is making them take responsibility today. > > > >There are hills of radioactive tailings over 100 feet > > > >high which distributes dust over the entire > > > >reservation. On one reservation, the corporation built > > > >a road and a Council House. The concrete they used > > > >contained the radioactive tailings in it. That is why > > > >so many American Indians believe they were used as > > > >guinea pigs in an experiment on radiation exposure. > > > >Remember, the nuclear arms program had a considerable > > > >number of Nazis in it. The streams are contaminated > > > >the ground water is contaminated. The highest infant > > > >mortality rate in the nation is on these reservations. > > > >As a matter of fact, it is among the highest in the > > > >world. Highest rate of deformity in the country, and > > > >many many other diseases and the government and the > > > >corporations will not take responsibility. The average > > > >life span of a man is only 45 years. Most children > > > >cannot expect to watch their grandparents grow old. > > > > The Reagan Administration was extremely hostile > > > >toward the American Indian. If you don't think so, > > > >just type in Ronald Reagan and Native Americans and > > > >find the words he had to say about Indians while he > > > >was in Russia. It will really open your eyes. Reagan > > > >cut the American Indian 10 xs what he cut the general > > > >population. This included funds and other things, such > > > >as health care, guaranteed by treaty. This forced many > > > >more Indians to go down into the uranium mines, which > > > >was probably his intention in the first place. Many > > > >people suffered from hunger and the lack of medical > > > >care. Certainly, people died. Reagan also started > > > >supporting corrupt regimes in Central and South > > > >America and basically using special ops. and other > > > >means, against the underclass in that region of the > > > >world. The underclass of course, is mostly made up of > > > >Indians. > > > > All of this is being done to exploit the natural > > > >resources in that region: oil, timber, minerals, etc. > > > >by the multinational corporations. Of course this > > > >continues today and Indians are being murdered at a > > > >rate of more than 100,000 per year. It is a mass > > > >extermination. Our government and the Shell Oil > > > >Corporation had some sort of agreement or contract > > > >with one of those countries. It has been some time > > > >since I read about this, so I don't want to say which > > > >country I think it is, because my memory might not be > > > >exactly correct. However I know the source and I can > > > >easily look it up again. However, I'll never forget > > > >what the CEO of Shell Oil said in a critical > > > >interview. He was asked for matters of morality and > > > >ethics, if his corporation should not have done > > > >business with this murderous regime. His answer was > > > >they weren't in business for ethics but for whatever > > > >benefits their bottom line and that he felt absolutely > > > >no guilt or remorse. > > > > In the Johnson years the American Indian had a > > > >breather. Nixon tried to do some good things for the > > > >American Indian. However, Nixon established the "Dead > > > >Zones" on the reservations. The "Dead Zones" were > > > >areas where nuclear waist is to be buried and declared > > > >unfit for human habitation for the life of the > > > >radioactivity, which was over i million years. These > > > >"dead Zones" were to expand as the country needed more > > > >space to dump its radioactive waist. > > > > In the 1970s we discovered that at least 46% of > > > >reservation women were forcibly sterilized. Some were > > > >done while they had another operation, others were > > > >threatened with the removal of the children they had. > > > >Some American Indians believe the program continues in > > > >secret to this very day. There was the outright > > > >stealing of children to be adopted by Euro-Americans. > > > >In all of these horrible things not one person was > > > >investigated or punished. > > > > In 1997 the state of South Dakota stole 167,000 > > > >acres from the Nakota, Dakota, Lakota people and the > > > >Reagan appointed Supreme Court refused to hear the > > > >appeal. Now the state of South Dakota is attacking > > > >Indigenous water rights. > > > > The Western Shoshone are now homeless. In > > > >violation of the "Treaty of Friendship of 1863" and > > > >agreements signed with the "Organization of American > > > >States" as well as with the "United Nations" the > > > >"Bureau of Land Management" sold, without the > > > >permission of the Western Shoshone People, the land to > > > >a gold mining corporation. The Shoshone people were > > > >warned that their property would be confiscated and > > > >auctioned, they would be arrested or worse if they > > > >didn't leave the land. Land that the "Treaty of > > > >Friendship" states the Shoshone have occupied since > > > >time immemorial. The BLM then went on to confiscate > > > >their cattle and horses, which they use to make a > > > >living, and auctioned them off. > > > > The OAS and the UN asked the US to stay its > > > >action and the US arrogantly refused to respond. You > > > >can read everything about this at the "Indian Law > > > >Resource Center", <www.indianlaw.org> > > > > Now you might ask, why don't you know about these > > > >things? Well, just as the multi-nationals own the > > > >White House, the legislature and even many of the > > > >judiciary, they own the media and all of the news > > > >outlets. General Electric and Westinghouse, e.g. were > > > >two of the biggest perpetrators of the uranium terror > > > >on the reservations. They are both heavily invested in > > > > electronic media and are able to control portions of > > > >the news as a result. This is only two out of many > > > >multinational energy corporations that have a > > > >financial interest in the news media, and therefore > > > >control the information you receive. > > > > My final concern is that the Bush Administration > > > >has an Indian policy of "Disestablishment". Sounds > > > >like "Termination" to me. > > > > I guess I'd better leave at this point while I'm > > > >ahead. I'm probably in enough trouble and I don't wish > > > >to offend anyone with an inappropriate topic, even > > > >though I'm not the one who brought it up. > > > > > > > > Sincerely: > > > > Imafo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > > >http://finance.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > >Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to > >the > > > >list. 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I understood what you meant.. B.E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "okeefolkie" <okeefolkie@mindspring.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] slavery > I am sorry! I just read what I wrote, and I meant to say that Whites have > tried to destroy non-whites!! What an idiot -- > my hot-headedness got away with me. I apologize profusely, and now I will > just go away and not say another word. > SandyM > > > Folk and Folk Arts Producers & Organizations: > ** GrantWriting at Reasonable Costs ** > email: gladesheritage@mindspring.com > Or Call: 561-924-7955 > Sandy Mercer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "okeefolkie" <okeefolkie@mindspring.com> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 6:55 PM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] slavery > > > > Why does the Indian Law Rescosurce Center have this disclaimer on that > > website (www.indianlaw.org): The Indian Law Resource Center makes no > > representations as to the timeliness or accuracy of the information on > this > > website... ."? > > > > Maybe I am naive, but that sounds as if they don't stand behind their > > claims, which, I might add, I believe. That is, I believe that > "non-whites," > > for lack of a better term, have systematically, for whatever reasons, > tried > > to destroy everything and everyone not like them. > > > > Sorry in advance for this outburst, since I am not a regular contributor > > (I'm new to the list), but I am really, really angry about what has been > > done to ALL people of color/non-whites. And it's all so stupid, since WHO > is > > "pure white" anyway? > > SandyM > > > > > > Folk and Folk Arts Producers & Organizations: > > ** GrantWriting at Reasonable Costs ** > > email: gladesheritage@mindspring.com > > Or Call: 561-924-7955 > > Sandy Mercer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Wilson" <imafo2002@yahoo.com> > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:37 AM > > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] slavery > > > > > > > Halito All: > > > > > > I apologize for the incomplete posting. I was > > > typing away and all of a sudden, click and I see a > > > "message has been sent". I don't know how it happened. > > > I must have accidently hit enter while I was typing. I > > > have done that before. I am not the greatest typist in > > > the world. I will just start with the last paragraph > > > that got broken up. > > > Now how does the U.S.reward this loyalty and > > > bravery? Well, with allotment, removal, termination, > > > and the stealing of Indian children and locking them > > > up in boarding schools. This is where much of the > > > decimation of Indian culture has occurred. Forbidden > > > to speak their native language or wear native clothing > > > at the risk of, at times severe punishment. They were > > > even forced to stay with Euro-Americans during the > > > Summer, so they wouldn't be "corrupted" by their > > > families. All of these things, I have mentioned, which > > > were done to African-Americans and the American > > > Indian, not to mention other groups, would have been > > > violations of the "Genocide Treaty" using Raphael > > > Lemkin's definition of genocide. This is why the U.S, > > > fought against the "genocide Treaty" longer than any > > > other country, including the U.S.S.R. and China. The > > > entire world knows about these things except the > > > citizens of the U.S. They are kept in the dark, while > > > the government, the powerful and wealthy and the > > > corporate thugs exploit the world. That is why the > > > world hates the U.S., not because they are jealous of > > > our position in the world. > > > From the Eisenhower through the Reagan years the > > > "Indian Territory" was exploited by the government and > > > the corporations for energy resources. This was > > > especially damaging where uranium deposits were found. > > > They used an Indian work-force and of course did not > > > use the precautions that they would have if a white > > > work-force was used. They also didn't take the > > > environmental precautions they have had to take in a > > > Euro-American community. of course this saved them a > > > whole lot of money, not to mention the fact that the > > > U.S. taxpayer paid for the cost of the mining in many > > > instances. Of course all of these things fattened the > > > pocketbook of the energy corporations but, even to > > > this day it is taking its toll in human life. The > > > nuclear bomb tests also occurred on Indian land, > > > resulting in radioactive blow-overs and contamination > > > of ground water as a result of underground tests. The > > > Bush Administration wants to resume those tests. > > > On the reservations where this occurred the > > > corporations didn't have to clean up after themselves > > > and no one is making them take responsibility today. > > > There are hills of radioactive tailings over 100 feet > > > high which distributes dust over the entire > > > reservation. On one reservation, the corporation built > > > a road and a Council House. The concrete they used > > > contained the radioactive tailings in it. That is why > > > so many American Indians believe they were used as > > > guinea pigs in an experiment on radiation exposure. > > > Remember, the nuclear arms program had a considerable > > > number of Nazis in it. The streams are contaminated > > > the ground water is contaminated. The highest infant > > > mortality rate in the nation is on these reservations. > > > As a matter of fact, it is among the highest in the > > > world. Highest rate of deformity in the country, and > > > many many other diseases and the government and the > > > corporations will not take responsibility. The average > > > life span of a man is only 45 years. Most children > > > cannot expect to watch their grandparents grow old. > > > The Reagan Administration was extremely hostile > > > toward the American Indian. If you don't think so, > > > just type in Ronald Reagan and Native Americans and > > > find the words he had to say about Indians while he > > > was in Russia. It will really open your eyes. Reagan > > > cut the American Indian 10 xs what he cut the general > > > population. This included funds and other things, such > > > as health care, guaranteed by treaty. This forced many > > > more Indians to go down into the uranium mines, which > > > was probably his intention in the first place. Many > > > people suffered from hunger and the lack of medical > > > care. Certainly, people died. Reagan also started > > > supporting corrupt regimes in Central and South > > > America and basically using special ops. and other > > > means, against the underclass in that region of the > > > world. The underclass of course, is mostly made up of > > > Indians. > > > All of this is being done to exploit the natural > > > resources in that region: oil, timber, minerals, etc. > > > by the multinational corporations. Of course this > > > continues today and Indians are being murdered at a > > > rate of more than 100,000 per year. It is a mass > > > extermination. Our government and the Shell Oil > > > Corporation had some sort of agreement or contract > > > with one of those countries. It has been some time > > > since I read about this, so I don't want to say which > > > country I think it is, because my memory might not be > > > exactly correct. However I know the source and I can > > > easily look it up again. However, I'll never forget > > > what the CEO of Shell Oil said in a critical > > > interview. He was asked for matters of morality and > > > ethics, if his corporation should not have done > > > business with this murderous regime. His answer was > > > they weren't in business for ethics but for whatever > > > benefits their bottom line and that he felt absolutely > > > no guilt or remorse. > > > In the Johnson years the American Indian had a > > > breather. Nixon tried to do some good things for the > > > American Indian. However, Nixon established the "Dead > > > Zones" on the reservations. The "Dead Zones" were > > > areas where nuclear waist is to be buried and declared > > > unfit for human habitation for the life of the > > > radioactivity, which was over i million years. These > > > "dead Zones" were to expand as the country needed more > > > space to dump its radioactive waist. > > > In the 1970s we discovered that at least 46% of > > > reservation women were forcibly sterilized. Some were > > > done while they had another operation, others were > > > threatened with the removal of the children they had. > > > Some American Indians believe the program continues in > > > secret to this very day. There was the outright > > > stealing of children to be adopted by Euro-Americans. > > > In all of these horrible things not one person was > > > investigated or punished. > > > In 1997 the state of South Dakota stole 167,000 > > > acres from the Nakota, Dakota, Lakota people and the > > > Reagan appointed Supreme Court refused to hear the > > > appeal. Now the state of South Dakota is attacking > > > Indigenous water rights. > > > The Western Shoshone are now homeless. In > > > violation of the "Treaty of Friendship of 1863" and > > > agreements signed with the "Organization of American > > > States" as well as with the "United Nations" the > > > "Bureau of Land Management" sold, without the > > > permission of the Western Shoshone People, the land to > > > a gold mining corporation. The Shoshone people were > > > warned that their property would be confiscated and > > > auctioned, they would be arrested or worse if they > > > didn't leave the land. Land that the "Treaty of > > > Friendship" states the Shoshone have occupied since > > > time immemorial. The BLM then went on to confiscate > > > their cattle and horses, which they use to make a > > > living, and auctioned them off. > > > The OAS and the UN asked the US to stay its > > > action and the US arrogantly refused to respond. You > > > can read everything about this at the "Indian Law > > > Resource Center", <www.indianlaw.org> > > > Now you might ask, why don't you know about these > > > things? Well, just as the multi-nationals own the > > > White House, the legislature and even many of the > > > judiciary, they own the media and all of the news > > > outlets. General Electric and Westinghouse, e.g. were > > > two of the biggest perpetrators of the uranium terror > > > on the reservations. They are both heavily invested in > > > electronic media and are able to control portions of > > > the news as a result. This is only two out of many > > > multinational energy corporations that have a > > > financial interest in the news media, and therefore > > > control the information you receive. > > > My final concern is that the Bush Administration > > > has an Indian policy of "Disestablishment". Sounds > > > like "Termination" to me. > > > I guess I'd better leave at this point while I'm > > > ahead. I'm probably in enough trouble and I don't wish > > > to offend anyone with an inappropriate topic, even > > > though I'm not the one who brought it up. > > > > > > Sincerely: > > > Imafo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to > the > > list. Write to me, the listowner, at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > and spelled correctly. > > Nothing in the subject line... 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thanks for sharing this story and information....my heart is heavy these days with the prejudice and the hate of other colors and cultures.....i watched Geronimo and wrote a poem afterwards...being Cherokee, Choctaw and Dutch.....where would i go if we had to go back to our homelands?????? i know what my choice would be....but would i really have one? now they are trying to take away trusted lands from the Native Americans....will it ever end? They say they want prejudice not to exist here in the States...really???? hmmmmm I look white..but have the facial structure of a Choctaw.....i have a heart of a American Native and since i was six i realized i did not believe like white people....i am proud to be all i am..but i sure feel like i do not have roots....we are having a hard time finding our Native American ancestors...very sad and heart breaking to me....will this ever end???? all because some person got to choose who was a part of their own tribe...our ancestors could be lost forever! i wished my whole life i was full blood indian....but at the same time i am proud of my dutch great grandpa who married a indian woman....so proud and proud that she married him We are ALL God's children....our Creator created all of us....for a purpose....it is hard for me to believe it was for hate and prejudice i will keep this post and reread it and forward it to relatives and friends who have no idea what our ancestors have gone through. be sure to read about the Five Nation bill trying to be passed to take away the trusted land of the Cherokee's...i got a email from the Chief....still and again trying to take away our land...... have a beautiful day Teressa and i am not talking about any posts on here ...i am talking in general....i live in a college town ...and know a full blood Lummi Indian man....he wears his hair like a Native American.....yes he stands out...PROUDLY..and i am PROUD to know him.....he has taught me alot....not all white people feel as the leaders of this country...too bad they represent us....makes me want to start a movement

Oh wow please tell us all about it! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw questions > Hi all....just got back from the Labor Day fun in Tuskahoma...Anyone whose > never been there....ya gotta !!!!! ....It was so much fun !!!!!!.... > > deana > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george ann gregory <wood_owl@hotmail.com> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 12:24 PM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw questions > > > > According to one reading that I have seen, degree of blood was determined > by > > whoever was doing the enrolling, i.e. a white person and a stranger to the > > community. Also, some members on this list have already presented evidence > > that the Dawes Commission, like previous commissions and agents, just > plain > > refused to sign folks up. > > > > George Ann > > > > > > >From: deana peirce <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw questions > > >Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:49:25 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > >Hi list...I was at the OK Historical Society today reading more > interviews > > >on my MCRs. Seems to me from alot of the apps I read that if they werent > a > > >full blood they didnt get accepted..has anyone else read any interviews > and > > >thought that ?....anyways...in one of mine it has a letter from the > "acting > > >chairman" to one of my Davis' saying that they did find a "P.Davis" on a > > >roll and if my Davis guy could prove this was his grandpa Paul the > > >commision wanted the proof at once...my question...Ive looked at the > > >Armstrong Roll and didnt see a P.Davis. (he died in 1876 and didnt leave > > >MS/AL Territory)...what other roll would the be talking about ?...The > > >interview was from Henry Davis M.C.2615......There was alot of family > on > > >this application. Any ideas or suggestions Id really appreciate !!! > > > > > > > > > > > >deana > > > > > > > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > >Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the > > >list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the > list. Write to me, the listowner, at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information. Try Judy White's NATIVE AMERICAN RESOURCE CENTER at http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, newsletters, lookups, articles, etc. >

Sandy: You don't have to go away. I was upset at first until I kept reading. Then I realized that you made simple mistake that anyone of us could have made. We appreciate your comments and input. Lori

How true. I think that many who call themselves "white" will one day have an awakening. Some of my relatives back in the early 1860s left home and mingled into society as "white". They were accepted because they were blonde hair/blue eyes. Although they were never heard from again, I'm sure they passed and one day their descendants will no longer think that they are "white". It will be a big surprise! I'm hoping that it will be one of those KKK persons. Lori