Hi Gina: I do have that census at home but now I am away from home helping a sick friend. I think the Wirt that I have seen is spelled Wirth. I think there is even a town named Wirth. I have another source here with me but too much is going on right now. I will print your email and save it. When I go home I can try to check it for you. Happy Haunting and God Bless, Marian PS They also have a good library there and normally I send a $5.00 donation and they are very nice to help. They looked up a newspaper article for me from 1930. We went to Newport a lot when I was a small child, my Uncle worked for Mo-Pac until he died.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Wirt Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/978 Message Board Post: Hi, I am seeking any information about the surname Wirt in Arkansas. My gggrandmother's name was Samantha Albina Wirt (1870-1945) and my grandmother believes she was 1/2 Choctaw. She married Benjamin E. Smith (1860-1945) on May 13, 1888 in Newport, Arkansas and at some point moved to Washington state. I am seeking her parents names or any Wirt connect, and confirmation of her Native American heritage. Any help would be greatly appreciated, I seem to have hit a brick wall in my search. Thanks so much for your help, Gina

Halito George Ann I guess that is like the Olone people in the San Francisco bay reigon. They are suppose to be extinct, but I have a friend who is Olone and he has a big family<LOL> Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer

Halito John There is a tribe here in Calif. Called the Sereno could that be the same one? Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer (elkdremr@aol.com)

Thanks, I will pray for Louisiana. Thelma

Well, hmm, I guess someone forgot to tell the Seri themselves because they are alive and well in Baja California (& Sonora). They live all up and down the coasts, particularly along the coasts of the Gulf of California. However, due to increasing numbers of tourists and pollution of the oceans, their language and culture has been severely eroded. George Ann >From: JohnnyMikeCraven@aol.com >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] The Legend of the Seri Indian Nation >Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 02:33:29 EDT > >Hello Listmembers, > > on Saturday morning, I caught the last part of a most remarkable >new >reel footage that was shown on The Turner Classic Movie Channel here in New >Orleans between 10:00am and 10:20am CDT. > > It was about the legend of the Seri Indian Nation. I'm not sure if >I'm spelling it correctly. > > The newsreel footage was in black and white and I imagine it had >been >shown in theaters at the time when it was filmed which seemed to me to be >around 1950. It was produced by MGM. > > Apparently, there was a legend of a great Indian nation in Central >America/Mexico which was created on the west coast of Baja California or >Mexico some 1000 years ago by the Seri Indian tribe. > > The film crew went in search of any remnants of these people or >this >empire. > > They came across an island off Baja California called Tiburon which >was inhabited by an Indian tribe of about 100 souls. They didn't see any >ruins of any great structures on the island and so they weren't sure if >they >were in the right place but when the interpreter asked the people if they >had >heard of the Seri, they said yes and indicated that they were the Seri >people. > > Though they wore clothes which indicated that they did have contact >with the outside world and they played cards and did other things that >indicated they were not totally isolated it seems that they did have very >little contact with the outside world. > > The men were strong and handsome and the women were very attractive >and wore Indian makeup and such. > > There were only a handful of children around and they had the run >of >the place and were treated very reverentially. > > The men often fished in the ocean and caught huge fish and sea >turtles >for eating. > > They seemed to be living an idyllic life on the island. They >seemed >to have never really know any enemies or, at least, in modern times, had >any >conflicts with the Mexican governent or anyone else for that matter. > > The film crew was about to leave when they saw something strange. >The >tribe had left a pile of discarded fish heads and turtle shells on the >beach >where the vultures fed on them. After the vultures had fed on the carrion, >they saw a slender but tall man come up to the pile and start feeding off >what had been left. Apparently he had broken some law of the tribe and >this >was his punishment. > > With this the film crew's interest was aroused and they began to >ask >more questions about the history of the people on the island and the Seri >nation. It was then that they were introduced to the elder of the tribe >who >had been given the history of the tribe and its customs and its rituals. >To >him everything about the Seri nation had been intrusted. But it would go >with him to his grave because as the young children led the old man to the >film crew using a rope that he held on to the film crew discovered that the >man had no eyes and then they discovered he had no tongue either. It seems >that the tribe had taken out his eyes and cut off his tongue. > > What's more the film crew learned that the reason that the few >children they saw had been treated so reverentially was because they would >be >the last of their tribe. The women of the tribe who led the tribe had >voluntarily decided to never have any more children and that these children >would be the last of the Seri people and that the history that the old man >knew of the tribe would vanish with him. > > It seems that the Seri nation had indeed succeeded in creating an >empire where they had no conflict, no wars. Not that they couldn't fight >because the legend goes that they had many warriors. But in creating this >idyllic nation where there was plenty of food and little conflict they >created a society that never changed and slowly the nation began to die >because it seems there was nothing for these people worth struggling for in >their society. > > I couldn't help but think how incredibly sad this story was. It >was a >story of tribal suicide, not brought about by any external force or enemy >or >natural disaster or disease but simply by a loss of the will to live in a >world without struggle in a world that never changed. > > As I said above, it was a most remarkable piece of film from about >fifty or sixty years ago. I don't know anything more about the fate of >these >people but if anyone does know what happened to them I'd be interested in >hearing about them. > > John Craven > New Orleans > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== >DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking for ancestor's name? >Check our archives at: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

In a message dated 9/8/2002 1:34:15 AM Central Daylight Time, JohnnyMikeCraven@aol.com writes: > that John, this was extremely interesting. Thanks for sharing. I, too, am curious if anyone knows the fate of the Seri people since the film was made. Lori

Hello Listmembers, on Saturday morning, I caught the last part of a most remarkable new reel footage that was shown on The Turner Classic Movie Channel here in New Orleans between 10:00am and 10:20am CDT. It was about the legend of the Seri Indian Nation. I'm not sure if I'm spelling it correctly. The newsreel footage was in black and white and I imagine it had been shown in theaters at the time when it was filmed which seemed to me to be around 1950. It was produced by MGM. Apparently, there was a legend of a great Indian nation in Central America/Mexico which was created on the west coast of Baja California or Mexico some 1000 years ago by the Seri Indian tribe. The film crew went in search of any remnants of these people or this empire. They came across an island off Baja California called Tiburon which was inhabited by an Indian tribe of about 100 souls. They didn't see any ruins of any great structures on the island and so they weren't sure if they were in the right place but when the interpreter asked the people if they had heard of the Seri, they said yes and indicated that they were the Seri people. Though they wore clothes which indicated that they did have contact with the outside world and they played cards and did other things that indicated they were not totally isolated it seems that they did have very little contact with the outside world. The men were strong and handsome and the women were very attractive and wore Indian makeup and such. There were only a handful of children around and they had the run of the place and were treated very reverentially. The men often fished in the ocean and caught huge fish and sea turtles for eating. They seemed to be living an idyllic life on the island. They seemed to have never really know any enemies or, at least, in modern times, had any conflicts with the Mexican governent or anyone else for that matter. The film crew was about to leave when they saw something strange. The tribe had left a pile of discarded fish heads and turtle shells on the beach where the vultures fed on them. After the vultures had fed on the carrion, they saw a slender but tall man come up to the pile and start feeding off what had been left. Apparently he had broken some law of the tribe and this was his punishment. With this the film crew's interest was aroused and they began to ask more questions about the history of the people on the island and the Seri nation. It was then that they were introduced to the elder of the tribe who had been given the history of the tribe and its customs and its rituals. To him everything about the Seri nation had been intrusted. But it would go with him to his grave because as the young children led the old man to the film crew using a rope that he held on to the film crew discovered that the man had no eyes and then they discovered he had no tongue either. It seems that the tribe had taken out his eyes and cut off his tongue. What's more the film crew learned that the reason that the few children they saw had been treated so reverentially was because they would be the last of their tribe. The women of the tribe who led the tribe had voluntarily decided to never have any more children and that these children would be the last of the Seri people and that the history that the old man knew of the tribe would vanish with him. It seems that the Seri nation had indeed succeeded in creating an empire where they had no conflict, no wars. Not that they couldn't fight because the legend goes that they had many warriors. But in creating this idyllic nation where there was plenty of food and little conflict they created a society that never changed and slowly the nation began to die because it seems there was nothing for these people worth struggling for in their society. I couldn't help but think how incredibly sad this story was. It was a story of tribal suicide, not brought about by any external force or enemy or natural disaster or disease but simply by a loss of the will to live in a world without struggle in a world that never changed. As I said above, it was a most remarkable piece of film from about fifty or sixty years ago. I don't know anything more about the fate of these people but if anyone does know what happened to them I'd be interested in hearing about them. John Craven New Orleans

Hello List Members, last Sunday, after mass, a friend of my father came up to him and told him that a couple whom they both knew were very sick in the hospital. My father knew the man from having played golf with him for many years up until a couple of years ago when my father started having problems with his legs and stopped playing. In yesterday morning's newspaper here, the September 7 edition of The Times-Picayune here in New Orleans, on the front page there was an article about this man, Mr. Ben Haney, Jr., and his wife, Mildred. They both died within hours of each other of the West Nile Virus. He was 89 and she was 83. Please remember both of them in your prayers and pray for the repose of their souls and pray for their loved ones left behind. They lived in the same area as my parents near Lake Pontchartrain. They used to like to walk along the lake and she liked to work in the garden and he liked golf. A few months ago, before the West Nile Virus began making news, my father had gotten very sick with something that was like the flu and it lasted for about 3 weeks it seemed until he finally got to a doctor and the doctor gave him antibiotics and got him well. We, at the time, had noticed some dead birds around their house. I had seen one myself one morning when I went to visit them. But this was just before the story about the West Nile Virus had become news. Louisiana has been hardest hit by it with now 11 deaths that are known to have been caused by it. Almost all of the deaths have been of elderly people above 70. It seems to make ordinary illnesses worse and that's what makes it deadly. A lot of people with no other problems seem to be able to get the virus and recover from it according to what I've been reading. There's also the newly discovered problem with some organ transplants that came from people who had been infected with the West Nile Virus. The early evening hours and the hours around daybreak seem to be the worst times for mosquitoes which someone has suggested really should be our state's bird instead of the pelican. Louisiana is in the path of two of the four great flyways of migratory birds in the Western Hemisphere so it is little wonder that the mosquitoes who pick up the virus from birds would hit Louisiana the hardest. The ordinary flu itself kills many more people every year than the West Nile Virus. During the flu pandemic of 1918, my father's sister, my aunt, Therese, contracted the flu while she was pregnant when she was helping my grandmother take care of her younger brothers who had the flew including my father and it killed her and the unborn child. So this is a reminder to take proper precautions. If you see standing water around your house, empty it if you can. If you can't put some Pine Sol in it to kill any mosquito larvae in it. I'm talking about things like large puddles and such. Not lakes or ponds. Let the authorities in your area worry about the larger bodies of water. When you go out walking or working in your garden put on some mosquito repellent and wear long sleeves and pants. John Craven New Orleans

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hockett Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/977 Message Board Post: Looking for information on my gggrandmothers family. Her name was Susan Hockett. She lived in Virginia form around 1875 to 1895. (Just an approximate time frame.) She was full blooded choctaw and we would like to have more info on her and her family. Thanks in advance.

The difference in spelling is so important. For example, while searching for my great great grandmother's enrollment MCR#, I could not find her under Candace...the way the name is spelled today. I found her brother, got his file and then found her, their mother and other kinsmen. Her name was spelled Candis. It make a big difference in searching and finding her enrollment case file. Lori

In a message dated 9/3/2002 6:28:42 PM Central Daylight Time, choctaw74@prodigy.net writes: > > I have the Byington dictionary and it does say 'yakoke"..and another > deffinition of it is " when said slowly means regret..."..when said fast > means " thanks or pleasure" > > deana > So, Deana, does this add a new dimension to our name searches, namely the speed at which we say the name? If we say a Choctaw name fast does it translate into one thing and if we say it slow does it translate into something else? I'm not being facetious either. Your email raises an interesting point in how Choctaw names may have gotten translated into English at times. John Craven New Orleans

In a message dated 9/3/2002 6:07:17 PM Central Daylight Time, matteja@bellsouth.net writes: > > Joe, did Cornelius Rogers have a middle name or other name. A Clement C. > Rogers received Township 9, Range 3 West on Jan 30, 1860, "Abstracts of > Land Sold at St. stephens March 1859-Jan. 1861, Book 077." Several Land Acts > were passed in 1820 giving people an opportunity to return part of the land > they had purchased earlier on credit (called Land Relinquishment Acts) > People could buy 160 acres for 1/4th down and pay rest off in 3 years. Many > people had to give up part of their land because they could not make > payment. They could return part of it and keep what that had paid for. Many > actually received title at a later date. I did the research for St. Stephens > Historicl Commission an agency established to develop the site of Old > St.Stephens, Alabama's Territorial capital into a state park. I also wrote > the History of Washington County: The first County in Alabama where St. > Stephens Land Office was established in 1803 while it was the Mississippi > Territory. I will keep an eye out for Cornelius Rogers. Could his father > have been William Rogers? William was in area as early as 1797 under > Spanish rule. > > Good luck with your search, Jackie > Hello Jackie, in any of your research on Fort St. Stephens, did you come across any log entries or letters from Gen. Claiborne or others to friends or superiors, circa 1812 to 1815, which talked about Pushmataha being at Fort St. Stephens and possibly the name of his wife who was supposed to be with him? John Craven New Orleans

In a message dated 9/3/2002 3:38:41 PM Central Daylight Time, jlee@centex.net writes: > > My ggggrandfather was Choctaw. I found a Land Record in Alabama; Saint > Stephens Land Office. The issue date was May 1; 1861 for 39.91 acres. The > document number is 16139.Also states: Act or Treaty, April 24 1820. Is it > possible that this is land granted to him through a Treaty with US govmt. > Any help or direction will be most graciously appreciated. Thanks, Joe > > Hello Joe, I think there was a treaty that that came from but it wasn't the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek. I think it may have been the Treaty that ended the war with the Creeks and which divided up lands between the Creeks, the Choctaws and the Cherokees and the Chickasaws. I think the treaty was first negotiated around 1818 and it may have been ratified by Congress in 1820. There's also the Treaty of Doak's Stand but I think that was in 1824. John Craven New Orleans

In a message dated 9/3/2002 11:26:31 AM Central Daylight Time, dustyc@microgear.net writes: > > Angelyn: > > In Miss. I have seen it also spelled "Yak-Koh-Kih". With a spoken language, > there seems to be no "correct" way to spell phonetically. > > dusty > Therein lay the source of many of the problems we are having with locating the names of our ancestors on the various lists that are out there. Phonetically spelled words can translate into a number of different spellings yet all refer to the same thing. John Craven New Orleans

I must apologize .. I have move my family names to new pages. Skydancer My Families found at http://www.geocities.com/skydancer_1st/26.html and continues on the next page. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skydancer" <skydancer@artddc.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Subscribing to CHAHTA-L I have posted all my surnames that I have on my website. If anyone would like to look it is in my signature line. Be sure to click on continue to see all of my families. Skydancer My Families found at http://www.geocities.com/skydancer_1st/06.html be sure to click on continue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Ellison" <greybird7@pisp.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Subscribing to CHAHTA-L Uhhh...this is still Choctaw SE list...isn't it? B.E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "okeefolkie" <okeefolkie@mindspring.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Subscribing to CHAHTA-L > Thank you! So where are all those listers who want to talk about slavery and > politics?? > (jus' kiddin') > SandyM > > > Folk and Folk Arts Producers & Organizations: > ** GrantWriting at Reasonable Costs ** > email: gladesheritage@mindspring.com > Or Call: 561-924-7955 > Sandy Mercer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ElkDremr@aol.com> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Subscribing to CHAHTA-L > > > > Welcome Sandy > > Walk in Beauty > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at > http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, etc. > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe: Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures.......

I have posted all my surnames that I have on my website. If anyone would like to look it is in my signature line. Be sure to click on continue to see all of my families. Skydancer My Families found at http://www.geocities.com/skydancer_1st/06.html be sure to click on continue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Ellison" <greybird7@pisp.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Subscribing to CHAHTA-L Uhhh...this is still Choctaw SE list...isn't it? B.E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "okeefolkie" <okeefolkie@mindspring.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Subscribing to CHAHTA-L > Thank you! So where are all those listers who want to talk about slavery and > politics?? > (jus' kiddin') > SandyM > > > Folk and Folk Arts Producers & Organizations: > ** GrantWriting at Reasonable Costs ** > email: gladesheritage@mindspring.com > Or Call: 561-924-7955 > Sandy Mercer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ElkDremr@aol.com> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Subscribing to CHAHTA-L > > > > Welcome Sandy > > Walk in Beauty > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at > http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, etc. > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com

Thank you! So where are all those listers who want to talk about slavery and politics?? (jus' kiddin') SandyM Folk and Folk Arts Producers & Organizations: ** GrantWriting at Reasonable Costs ** email: gladesheritage@mindspring.com Or Call: 561-924-7955 Sandy Mercer ----- Original Message ----- From: <ElkDremr@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Subscribing to CHAHTA-L > Welcome Sandy > Walk in Beauty > Elkdreamer > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, etc. >

Uhhh...this is still Choctaw SE list...isn't it? B.E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "okeefolkie" <okeefolkie@mindspring.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Subscribing to CHAHTA-L > Thank you! So where are all those listers who want to talk about slavery and > politics?? > (jus' kiddin') > SandyM > > > Folk and Folk Arts Producers & Organizations: > ** GrantWriting at Reasonable Costs ** > email: gladesheritage@mindspring.com > Or Call: 561-924-7955 > Sandy Mercer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ElkDremr@aol.com> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Subscribing to CHAHTA-L > > > > Welcome Sandy > > Walk in Beauty > > Elkdreamer > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at > http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, etc. > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. >

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