This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Tompkins Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/980 Message Board Post: I was told that my Tompkins family had Choctaw and Osage indian blood in my lineage line. are there anyone researching this line. if so maybe you can help me. randparensfatherggrandparents were James Tompkins and Martha Fulks who were married in Freestone co. Tx. We are kin of Bob wills. My family live in Leon Co tx. and Houston co. Tx. My ggrandfather had a brother named Harrison possible middle name. he had a son named jim. also a tommy tompkins was involved. I have no info no my family except the marriage of ggrandparents. and my family. anything would be appreciated bonnie
Will do George Ann If I don.t have to work Sat. I will go there. The museum is about all California Indians from Baja to the Oregon border. Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer
Let us know, ElkDreamer. I haven't heard of any Seri that far north, so that would be interesting to know if any ever lived in what is now the US. George Ann >From: ElkDremr@aol.com >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] The Legend of the Seri Indian Nation >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:24:09 EDT > >Halito and good morning John > There is a California Indian museum here in Sacramento Ca. it will be a >few >weeks before I have the chance to check it out because I have been working >12 >hr days. But as soon as this job is over I will go there and see if there >is >any info on them. > Walk in Beauty > Elkdreamer > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Tiburon means "shark" and this island is a sacred place for the Seri. I am pretty sure that there are also Seri in Sonora along the coast of the Gulf of California. George Ann >From: JohnnyMikeCraven@aol.com >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] The Legend of the Seri Indian Nation >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:01:01 EDT > >In a message dated 9/8/2002 11:03:33 PM Central Daylight Time, >ElkDremr@aol.com writes: > > > > Halito John > > There is a tribe here in Calif. Called the Sereno could that be the >same > > one? > > > >Elk Dreamer, > > I don't think so. The name was very specific in its sound and to >me >it was spelt Seri. George Ann previously wrote that there are many Seri >all >over California but suffer dilution of their heritage from tourists and >pollution but none of that seems to apply to what was in the film which I >found to be very troubling, especially the part that featured the eldest >member of the tribe who was the repository of all the tribe's history and >who >had his eyes plucked out and his tongue cut off according to the film >makers. > You could see him being led around by a string that he held on to and he >didn't look like he had any eyes. And apparently this was a decision of >the >leaders of the tribe to do this to the old man. Again, I found it sad. > The only reference points, geographically, in the film were Baja >California, and an island off of Baja California called Tiburon Island. > > John Craven > New Orleans > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== >Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at >http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, etc. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
As I tell my students, mind-reading is not part of my job description. However, there is an excellent book written by a fellow from Tucson who has lived and worked with the Seri. Their handicrafts are sold all over northern Mexico and in Arizona. I believe that some of the crafts people have a web page. You might do an on-line search and get some additional information. George Ann >From: JohnnyMikeCraven@aol.com >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] The Legend of the Seri Indian Nation >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:29:15 EDT > >In a message dated 9/8/2002 10:06:25 AM Central Daylight Time, >wood_owl@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > > Well, hmm, I guess someone forgot to tell the Seri themselves because >they > > are alive and well in Baja California (& Sonora). They live all up and >down > > the coasts, particularly along the coasts of the Gulf of California. > > However, due to increasing numbers of tourists and pollution of the >oceans, > > their language and culture has been severely eroded. > > > > George Ann > > > >George Ann, > > As I said, the film left no answer as to what happened to these >people >but when the film was shot, there were no tourists there except for the >film >crew and they had no problems with pollution that would cause them to do >some >of the things that they did in the film. These people were very remote >from >the outside world for much of their existence. Again it was shown on >Turner >Classic Movie channel on Saturday morning. If they are doing fine, why >didn't Ted Turner include a follow-up to this piece instead of leaving it >hang as he did? > > John Craven > New Orleans > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
They had restricted legal rights for a long time. As I recall from someone else' email, full-bloods could not sign legal documents. They had to have a white guardian. George Ann >From: Mhilton33@aol.com >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Surname: Wirt in Arkansas >Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 08:36:04 EDT > >Hi its me again: > >My Grandmother was a full blood Cherokee but she did not say so on her >papers >because she could not have gotten Grandpa's pension. Indians were frowned >on >in the late 1800s and early 1900.' > >Just a thought,.Marian > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== >HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... >Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes >and spelled correctly. >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Anthropologists have for years said that certain Indians are extinct, like the Maya, for example. I guess people just love a mystery, so they create on where one doesn't exist. George Ann >From: ElkDremr@aol.com >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] The Legend of the Seri Indian Nation >Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:32:01 EDT > >Halito George Ann > I guess that is like the Olone people in the San Francisco bay reigon. >They >are suppose to be extinct, but I have a friend who is Olone and he has a >big >family<LOL> >Walk in Beauty > Elkdreamer > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Home Page: >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > >http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
No, they aren't the same group. George Ann >From: ElkDremr@aol.com >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] The Legend of the Seri Indian Nation >Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:22:35 EDT > >Halito John > There is a tribe here in Calif. Called the Sereno could that be the same >one? >Walk in Beauty > Elkdreamer (elkdremr@aol.com) > > >==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHAHTA-L list discussions on history, culture, language. >Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com >Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes, >nothing in the subject line, turn off signatures. >Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Because Ted Turner is a jerk! Angelyn ------ Original Message ----- From: JohnnyMikeCraven@aol.com Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2002 11:29pm To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] The Legend of the Seri Indian Nation In a message dated 9/8/2002 10:06:25 AM Central Daylight Time, wood_owl@hotmail.com writes: > > > Well, hmm, I guess someone forgot to tell the Seri themselves because they > are alive and well in Baja California (& Sonora). They live all up and down > the coasts, particularly along the coasts of the Gulf of California. > However, due to increasing numbers of tourists and pollution of the oceans, > their language and culture has been severely eroded. > > George Ann > George Ann, As I said, the film left no answer as to what happened to these people but when the film was shot, there were no tourists there except for the film crew and they had no problems with pollution that would cause them to do some of the things that they did in the film. These people were very remote from the outside world for much of their existence. Again it was shown on Turner Classic Movie channel on Saturday morning. If they are doing fine, why didn't Ted Turner include a follow-up to this piece instead of leaving it hang as he did? John Craven New Orleans ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe: Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures.......
Halito All: George Ann, you mentioned that people had fewer rights if they were full blooded and this would cause them to claim less blood. There are also the antimiscegenistic laws in some states which included American Indians, as in Kentucky. This would cause people to deny their heritage completely. Of course this is part of the whole genocidal thing again, but it also makes it difficult for us to discover our ancestors and our heritage. Imafo __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute
I found a lot of good websites by just typing in seri indians. May be good for some, maybe not. Nell ----- Original Message ----- From: JohnnyMikeCraven@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:02 AM To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] The Legend of the Seri Indian Nation In a message dated 9/8/2002 11:03:33 PM Central Daylight Time, ElkDremr@aol.com writes: > Halito John > There is a tribe here in Calif. Called the Sereno could that be the same > one? > Elk Dreamer, I don't think so. The name was very specific in its sound and to me it was spelt Seri. George Ann previously wrote that there are many Seri all over California but suffer dilution of their heritage from tourists and pollution but none of that seems to apply to what was in the film which I found to be very troubling, especially the part that featured the eldest member of the tribe who was the repository of all the tribe's history and who had his eyes plucked out and his tongue cut off according to the film makers. You could see him being led around by a string that he held on to and he didn't look like he had any eyes. And apparently this was a decision of the leaders of the tribe to do this to the old man. Again, I found it sad. The only reference points, geographically, in the film were Baja California, and an island off of Baja California called Tiburon Island. John Craven New Orleans ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, articles, etc.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Halito and good morning John There is a California Indian museum here in Sacramento Ca. it will be a few weeks before I have the chance to check it out because I have been working 12 hr days. But as soon as this job is over I will go there and see if there is any info on them. Walk in Beauty Elkdreamer
In a message dated 9/8/2002 11:03:33 PM Central Daylight Time, ElkDremr@aol.com writes: > Halito John > There is a tribe here in Calif. Called the Sereno could that be the same > one? > Elk Dreamer, I don't think so. The name was very specific in its sound and to me it was spelt Seri. George Ann previously wrote that there are many Seri all over California but suffer dilution of their heritage from tourists and pollution but none of that seems to apply to what was in the film which I found to be very troubling, especially the part that featured the eldest member of the tribe who was the repository of all the tribe's history and who had his eyes plucked out and his tongue cut off according to the film makers. You could see him being led around by a string that he held on to and he didn't look like he had any eyes. And apparently this was a decision of the leaders of the tribe to do this to the old man. Again, I found it sad. The only reference points, geographically, in the film were Baja California, and an island off of Baja California called Tiburon Island. John Craven New Orleans
In a message dated 9/8/2002 3:20:00 PM Central Daylight Time, TLewisLeopold@aol.com writes: > > Thanks, > > I will pray for Louisiana. > > Thelma > > Thanks, we really need a lot of prayers but it seems this virus is speading so we will pray for you all as well. John Craven New Orleans
In a message dated 9/8/2002 10:06:25 AM Central Daylight Time, wood_owl@hotmail.com writes: > > > Well, hmm, I guess someone forgot to tell the Seri themselves because they > are alive and well in Baja California (& Sonora). They live all up and down > the coasts, particularly along the coasts of the Gulf of California. > However, due to increasing numbers of tourists and pollution of the oceans, > their language and culture has been severely eroded. > > George Ann > George Ann, As I said, the film left no answer as to what happened to these people but when the film was shot, there were no tourists there except for the film crew and they had no problems with pollution that would cause them to do some of the things that they did in the film. These people were very remote from the outside world for much of their existence. Again it was shown on Turner Classic Movie channel on Saturday morning. If they are doing fine, why didn't Ted Turner include a follow-up to this piece instead of leaving it hang as he did? John Craven New Orleans
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Skaggs Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/920.1 Message Board Post: Do you have any further information concerning your Skaggs line? I also have Skaggs in my ancestry, and have heard rumors that they were indian, but have been unable to prove it or make a connection. It is possible I may be able to assist you, if you could give me more information.
I don't think there is any connection, but my Step greatrgandfather was Ulla Onischka whom I knew and who claimed to be Chactaw. My fathers's brother married Elizabeth Stringfellow. (as I remember) I have been seasching for their chidlren, my first cousins, Carol, Aurena and Shirely. ----- Original Message ----- From: <janthom9@msn.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Name: Stringfeller Looking for connections to Stringfeller > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Stringfeller or Stringfellow > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/979 > > Message Board Post: > > Alice P. Stringfeller moved from Oklahoma to Mississippi in the mid 1800's. I am looking for any Choctaw connection to her. I am her great grandson. > Please help. > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... >
UNSUBSCRIBE janthom9@msn.c om To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Sent by: cc: gc-gateway@roo Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Name: Stringfeller Looking for connections tsweb.com to Stringfeller 09/09/2002 05:14 PM Please respond to CHOCTAW-SOUTHE AST-L This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Stringfeller or Stringfellow Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/979 Message Board Post: Alice P. Stringfeller moved from Oklahoma to Mississippi in the mid 1800's. I am looking for any Choctaw connection to her. I am her great grandson. Please help. ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe: Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures.......
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Stringfeller or Stringfellow Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/979 Message Board Post: Alice P. Stringfeller moved from Oklahoma to Mississippi in the mid 1800's. I am looking for any Choctaw connection to her. I am her great grandson. Please help.
Hi its me again: My Grandmother was a full blood Cherokee but she did not say so on her papers because she could not have gotten Grandpa's pension. Indians were frowned on in the late 1800s and early 1900.' Just a thought,.Marian