Angelyn - Thank you!

Faye, You mentioned LEA family........a long time friend of mine has the last name of LEA - been married for years but only until about a year ago did I find out he was 1/4 Choctaw - small world! Carol

Not everything you read in Chronicles of Oklahoma is correct! Forbis LeFlore, b. 1810, d. 1881 and is buried in Boggy Depot Cemetery, is my GGGGrandfather. He was married 3 times, not four. By his first wife, Sinai Hayes, the children all died in infancy. By his 2nd wife, Rebecca Fisher, the children were: Matilda Elizabeth, who married Dr. Thomas Jefferson Manning ( my GGGrandparents), Charles M. LeFlore who married Mary Angeline Guy, Catherine who died at age 12, Henrietta, who married John Donly, and Cordelia, died about 1 year of age. By his 3rd and last wife, Anne Marie Maurer, born in France, the children were: Arabella who married Charles Hill, Forbis, Jr., who married Phoebe Kays, Odile who married Thomas J. Ball, Lucy who married Dr. J.M. Bentley, and Carrie who married Adolphus Edward "Dynamite Ed" Perry. Anne Marie, Carrie, Ed, Lucy and Dr. Bentley as well as an unknown "J.B" LeFlore, infant, are buried in the cemetery at Rush Springs, Grady Co., OK. Angelyn ------ Original Message ----- From: SUELP@aol.com Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2002 11:21am To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] "Squirrel King" Have you seen the Chronicles of Ok, Vol. 6, No.1 article, March 1928 "Colonel Forbis LeFlore, Pioneer and Statesman"? It lists four wives of Forbis and lists some children. Some of the Chronicles are on the net now. This one is one the net. Sue ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to the list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com

The Western History Library at the Univ. of Oklahoma has them as does the McClain County Historical Museum in Purcell. Also, I think they're available at the Oklahoma Historical Society. I know they've had them for sale there. You might also check the Yellow Pages for used-book stores. Not sure about local libraries, but would check the one in your area. Call OHS if you're interested in a subscription. Angelyn ------ Original Message ----- From: AhSweet1@aol.com Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2002 1:09pm To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] "Squirrel King" Where can you find the 'Chronicles of OK'? Carol in Oklahoma ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Home Page: http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm

No, Only the same rumors as everyone else. I spoke to the Liberian at the Library at Philadelphia and she was making arrangements to get a grant to receive the records from his daughter restore and catalog them and dedicate them to lawyer Weir but nothing doing. The woman still wouldn't agree to anything. There are rumors that range to (1) the records were kept in boxes in the basement and were flooded and ruined, (2) they are afraid of lay suits because of their contents. Our Lea family took a pedigree chart that was said to be two feet long. Of course, no copy was kept. It was said that a Senator Magee had it at one time. His son had lived in Meadville but he had no idea what I was talking about. He contacted his sister that lived in FL and she didn't know where her father's papers were. No progress has ever been made that has shown any NA blood. Fay ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > Fay, have you heard anything new about what happened to Tom Weir's records? > Best regards always, Jackie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "faynshep" <faynshep@telapex.com> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 12:42 PM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > He didn't just take $25.00 from everyone. My husband's aunt would get on > a > > train in Brookhaven, MS and go up and take him $100.00 about once a month. > > This was in the early 1950's. > > Fay > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <JOHNSONALBERTD@aol.com> > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 8:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > please check your rolls for the name: Gilmer or Dennis or Dennes > > > the attorneys name was Tom Weir, he took $25.00 form everyone saying he > > would > > > get them Indian money in the name of Dancing Rabbit Creak Tribe, out of > > > Philadelphia Mississippi. > > > thanks aj > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking for ancestor's name? > > Check our archives at: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > Home Page: > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking for ancestor's name? Check our archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/993 Message Board Post: Was there a Chief Cole, or Coleman, of the Choctaws?I am trying to trace this for my nephews.

Where can you find the 'Chronicles of OK'? Carol in Oklahoma

Have you seen the Chronicles of Ok, Vol. 6, No.1 article, March 1928 "Colonel Forbis LeFlore, Pioneer and Statesman"?  It lists four wives of Forbis and lists some children.  Some of the Chronicles are on the net now. This one is one the net. Sue

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/916.1 Message Board Post: Jack Hi, I am the wife of Robert Hagans your brother Robert's son... If you find any information on his grandfather he would love to here from you. He has a book his father told him about by De-Arkie who was a sheriff in Colorado Springs. I will go back through to see if theres anything that can help you. I have been trying to track down the family roll number - can you help me??? Thanks - Debbie Hagans

Out of context, it is difficult to tell the exact meaning. However, "pisa" as a noun means "view" or "viewer" or "gazer." There are other possibilities as well. "Ho-min-ah" looks like a combination of "homi" (sour) and "na" (not). Roughly it might be translated "not sour the view." George Ann --- kinseeker@charter.com wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to > this mailing list. > > Surnames: RILEY > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/953.2 > > Message Board Post: > > Does anyone know the translation of Pis Ah Ho Min > Ah? > She/he was somehow related to Riley in Arkansas, > possibly only through assignment of land? Thought > Cherokee but they said not cherokee name. elaine > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHAHTA-L list discussions on > history, culture, language. Send msg. to > CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" > without the quotes, nothing in the subject line, > turn off signatures. > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off > signatures....... > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Jackie Where do you send for information on the numbers? Skydancer ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Matte To: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw Deanna, the General Allotment Act (Dawes ACt) was passed in 1887. This is when the tribal lands in Oklahoma was broken up and sold by individual parcels. After it was passed a roll had to be taken. This took several years, well into the early 1900s. Lawyers, knowing about this Act, began looking for Indians to "Help" them get their papers in order to make their claims for land, for a percentage. The Choctaws left in the South, "Mississippi Chotaws" were to be registered--many were not. Testimony was taken for those who could get to the government agency's headquarters-- I believe one was in Meridian, MS. Miss. Choctaws had to prove they were "full-blood" in order to get on roll. I have copies of applications/testimony of "half-bloods" who were rejected even though their grandparents were identified as "full-bloods who did not remove." Evidently, more Choctaws registered than the government had counted on, so only full bloods were registered. Remember the government set up this blood quantum standard for registration purposes. Do you have his MCR (Miss. Choctaw Roll) number? If you have this number you can get a copy of his application/testimony. This process is explained in my book. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > Well, Jackie I cant tell you exactly where they were because its vague...the > interview was in 1901 and the all say" 6-8 years ago"...that they talked to > this man and gave him "everything"..marriage licenses etc...and one uncle is > real adament about there being a "P. Davis"a roll and hes ours....it was put > in their files thing....when I was at the OK Historical Society they had no > idea what roll he was talking about...but the commision said if he could > prove that the "P.Davis" he way that the grandpa signed his name and he was > ours theyd be admitted....I have NO idea what roll they are talking about. > Ive had lookups on diffrent rolls and not seen a "P.Davis" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 3:05 PM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > Your people may have been among the ones who were not removed West, but > were > > left to struggle on their own in MS, AL, & LA The cases I mentioned were > > all going one since before the Civil War. The paperwork continued to be > > generated for YEARS. The Choctaws who were left in Alabama lived around > > Mobile on public land. The citizens of Mobile petitioned the Mayor to get > > them moved away to the West. From 1832- 1860 correspondence was > generated > > (letters were written for Choctaws by local officials) between agencies of > > federal government and these Choctaw (known as Mississippi Choctaw) > seeking > > help. The government agents were defrauding the Choctaws out of their > > "scrip"; (scrip was certificate for land in Indian Territory Oklahoma) > > attorneys were involved saying they would take the Indians' cases for the > > scrip.(I have a chapter on this in my book.) The Cooper Roll, named for > > Douglas Cooper who took the Roll, was taken in 1855-56 in Al., MS & LA. > > Most names are phonetically spelled Choctaw names, arranged by clan names > > and location --for example: "Six Towns Clan," Jasper and Newton County, > MS > > and Mobile, AL. Jackie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 9:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > --- Hmmmmm > > > This happened before the Dawes Enrollment late 1800s in MS....( mine > were > > in > > > route to here in OK)...if the Weir thing was in 1940s -50s..not the same > > > incident......hhhmmm > > > > > > deana > > > ----- > > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:20 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > In the Weir case people sent in $4 from all over the country, but the > > > > majority were from southern states--MS, AL, LA In the files I looked > > at > > > in > > > > Washington, there were only one or two letters from disgruntled/angry > > > people > > > > who had sent in money and got nothing in return-not even a letter > > > > acknowledging contribution. There is no list of names of people who > > sent > > > in > > > > money in this file. In this case, rumors have it that all Weir's > > personal > > > > records were stored in the basement of his daughter's house and she > will > > > not > > > > talk about it. There are other cases (for example Choctaw Nation v. > U. > > S. > > > > began in 1830s and was finally settled in 1881. MANY names are in > it), > > > but > > > > this Weir case was done in the 1940-50s. Jackie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 7:05 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have printed a form for your book and am VERY excited in receiving > > it > > > ! > > > > > Also I appreciate you finding the first name of that lawyer..Was it > > done > > > > in > > > > > I.T. or MS ?...I cant tell from the interviews I have...They were > > pretty > > > > > scattered in coming here..( OK)... > > > > > again thanx ! > > > > > > > > > > deana > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:39 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy's site has many of the choctaw Rolls. She may not have > > Attorney > > > > > Weir's > > > > > > name on it. At the moment, I cannot remember his first name. I > > will > > > > have > > > > > > to look it up, but it may take me a day or two to hunt for it as I > > am > > > > tied > > > > > u > > > > > > this week end. You can see They Say the Wind is Red at > > > > > > http://matte.accessgenealogy.com and at Amazon. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:26 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jackie... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No I hadnt heard of it but where online might I look for info ? > > Ive > > > > > looked > > > > > > > at Judys site and didnt see anything on it. What was the guys > > first > > > > name > > > > > > > ?...Ill try looking that way... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again MUCHO thanx !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deana > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 2:50 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes! you probably heard about the Attorney named Weir from MS > > who > > > > did > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > He accepted money from Choctaws and other Indians for several > > > years, > > > > > but > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > his efforts led to nothing. He was sued for fraud. I went > > > through > > > > > his > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > file at the National Archives. There is really nothing in it > > that > > > > you > > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > get NOW from Internet. In the bibliography of my book "They > > Say > > > > the > > > > > > Wind > > > > > > > > is Red," I list all the Choctaw Court of Claims cases. A > section > > > on > > > > > > > > Resources for Southeastern Indian Genealogical Research is > > > included. > > > > > > > > Check Judy White's website > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native > > > > for > > > > > > > > rolls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, Jackie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:00 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have interviews from several ancestors for the Dawse Roll > > who > > > > were > > > > > > > MCRs. > > > > > > > > They all were saying that they gave their paper work to a man > > who > > > > they > > > > > > > > thought was an atty., and he ended up being an imposter who > > wound > > > up > > > > > in > > > > > > > > prison. Has anyone else run across this or even heard of it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If true why would someone want their paperwork who wasnt > ligit > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > > > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" > without > > > the > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > and spelled correctly. > > > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at > > > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for > > > CHOCTAW > > > > > > > Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without > the > > > > quotes > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at > > > > > http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, > articles, > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to > > the > > > > list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to > the > > > list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > and spelled correctly. > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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Thanks, Corine. No, I haven't checked Grayson Co., but I hope Susanna Noe reads your mail as she is looking for Nancy Jane Lipsic Black Brashier. Actually, I'm not researching Brashear(s), but wrote to Charles Brashear as some cousins, based on interviews done in the 1930s, believe an Elizabeth Brashears was the mother of various Fisher 'offspring' including our 3GGrandmother, Rebecca Fisher, 2nd wife of Forbis LeFlore. I disagreed and still disagree as I believe Martha Hay(e)s was the mother. Angelyn ------ Original Message ----- From: CORINE HUEY Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2002 10:10am To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: RE: [CHOCTAW-SE] Miss. Choctaw Investment Co. FYI Angelyn: Have you checked Grayson County TX for a SMITH/BRASHEAR? marriage in the 1940's? Corine --- ANGELYN CUNNINGHAM <angelync@msn.com> wrote: > You might trying mailing Charles Brashear, a > professor at San Diego State University, who will > soon be publishing a 5th volume on the Brashear(s) > family - and the many spellings of the name. His > address: > brashear@mail.sdsu.edu > Angelyn > > ------ Original Message ----- > > From: Susanna Noe > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2002 8:16pm > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Miss. Choctaw Investment > Co. > Dusty: I am still 'lost' on my ancestor Nancy Lipsic > Black Brashier...any > suggestions ? a half cherokee/ via legend, oral > testimony, family interviews > et al....I am at a brickwall...too many people knew > of her and speak of her, > even today ,for her to be a figment of a collective > imagination... what do > you suggest ? > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:00 AM > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Miss. Choctaw Investment Co. > > > > Fran: > > > > You need to trace your family in Miss. via the > federal census and try to > > connect them to someone listed on either the 1831 > Armstrong roll or the > 1855 > > Cooper roll. These were both done before the > removals to Oklahoma. I > have > > both rolls if you need a lookup. > > > > dusty > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Jfrbol@aol.com> > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Re: Meaning of "Choctaw" > > > > > > > I have copies of "The Mississippi Choctaw > Investment Co" papers, dated > > 1918, > > > signed by my ancestor, for " services to be > rendered in presenting > before > > the > > > different branches of the government, in order > for them to share in the > > > tribal property belonging to the Choctaw > tribes". I think I have > > determined > > > this was a cruel hoax, but my question is where > do I start to research > the > > > fact that my ancestor signed these papers, as I > did not know he was > > > Indian/part Indian. He was James Leon Chambless, > 1904-1987, son of John > > Henry > > > Chambless, 1882-1916, and Josephine (Jodie) > Skinner, 1886-1930. What is > my > > > first step in finding the Choctaw Indian > connection to my ancestors? > > > > > > Fran Bolton > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > To Unsubscribe: > > > Send msg. to > CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... > "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off > signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > > Send msg. to > CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... > "unsubscribe" without the quotes > and spelled correctly. > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off > signatures....... > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information. Try Judy White's > NATIVE AMERICAN RESOURCE CENTER at > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, > newsletters, lookups, articles, etc. > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information. Try Judy White's > NATIVE AMERICAN RESOURCE CENTER at > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, > newsletters, lookups, articles, etc. > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the list. Write to me, the listowner, at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com

Fay, have you heard anything new about what happened to Tom Weir's records? Best regards always, Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "faynshep" <faynshep@telapex.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > He didn't just take $25.00 from everyone. My husband's aunt would get on a > train in Brookhaven, MS and go up and take him $100.00 about once a month. > This was in the early 1950's. > Fay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JOHNSONALBERTD@aol.com> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 8:47 PM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > please check your rolls for the name: Gilmer or Dennis or Dennes > > the attorneys name was Tom Weir, he took $25.00 form everyone saying he > would > > get them Indian money in the name of Dancing Rabbit Creak Tribe, out of > > Philadelphia Mississippi. > > thanks aj > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking for ancestor's name? > Check our archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Home Page: > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/ > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/chat.htm > >

Can you provide the source for your information about Choctaws escaping French to go to South Carolina? My great-great grandmother,(English name Ruth Turner, Choctaw name, Lilliketch)said she was from the Carolinas. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: <leroybrock@earthlink.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 12:38 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] "Squirrel King" > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/991 > > Message Board Post: > > In the history of a great-something-grandmother of mine, Margaret McCoy Thompson, (half Choctaw), born about 1772. I find this comment: > > "Margaret's family was part of the Chickasaws led bySquirrel King, who left the east coast and moved to the Carolinas to escape the French. Margaret may have been born in South Carolina as Squirrel King went back east prior to her birth." > > Who was "Squirrell King" and what is the story about his movements? Any clue will be appreciated. > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes and spelled correctly. > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

Deanna, the General Allotment Act (Dawes ACt) was passed in 1887. This is when the tribal lands in Oklahoma was broken up and sold by individual parcels. After it was passed a roll had to be taken. This took several years, well into the early 1900s. Lawyers, knowing about this Act, began looking for Indians to "Help" them get their papers in order to make their claims for land, for a percentage. The Choctaws left in the South, "Mississippi Chotaws" were to be registered--many were not. Testimony was taken for those who could get to the government agency's headquarters-- I believe one was in Meridian, MS. Miss. Choctaws had to prove they were "full-blood" in order to get on roll. I have copies of applications/testimony of "half-bloods" who were rejected even though their grandparents were identified as "full-bloods who did not remove." Evidently, more Choctaws registered than the government had counted on, so only full bloods were registered. Remember the government set up this blood quantum standard for registration purposes. Do you have his MCR (Miss. Choctaw Roll) number? If you have this number you can get a copy of his application/testimony. This process is explained in my book. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > Well, Jackie I cant tell you exactly where they were because its vague...the > interview was in 1901 and the all say" 6-8 years ago"...that they talked to > this man and gave him "everything"..marriage licenses etc...and one uncle is > real adament about there being a "P. Davis"a roll and hes ours....it was put > in their files thing....when I was at the OK Historical Society they had no > idea what roll he was talking about...but the commision said if he could > prove that the "P.Davis" he way that the grandpa signed his name and he was > ours theyd be admitted....I have NO idea what roll they are talking about. > Ive had lookups on diffrent rolls and not seen a "P.Davis" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 3:05 PM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > Your people may have been among the ones who were not removed West, but > were > > left to struggle on their own in MS, AL, & LA The cases I mentioned were > > all going one since before the Civil War. The paperwork continued to be > > generated for YEARS. The Choctaws who were left in Alabama lived around > > Mobile on public land. The citizens of Mobile petitioned the Mayor to get > > them moved away to the West. From 1832- 1860 correspondence was > generated > > (letters were written for Choctaws by local officials) between agencies of > > federal government and these Choctaw (known as Mississippi Choctaw) > seeking > > help. The government agents were defrauding the Choctaws out of their > > "scrip"; (scrip was certificate for land in Indian Territory Oklahoma) > > attorneys were involved saying they would take the Indians' cases for the > > scrip.(I have a chapter on this in my book.) The Cooper Roll, named for > > Douglas Cooper who took the Roll, was taken in 1855-56 in Al., MS & LA. > > Most names are phonetically spelled Choctaw names, arranged by clan names > > and location --for example: "Six Towns Clan," Jasper and Newton County, > MS > > and Mobile, AL. Jackie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 9:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > --- Hmmmmm > > > This happened before the Dawes Enrollment late 1800s in MS....( mine > were > > in > > > route to here in OK)...if the Weir thing was in 1940s -50s..not the same > > > incident......hhhmmm > > > > > > deana > > > ----- > > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:20 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > In the Weir case people sent in $4 from all over the country, but the > > > > majority were from southern states--MS, AL, LA In the files I looked > > at > > > in > > > > Washington, there were only one or two letters from disgruntled/angry > > > people > > > > who had sent in money and got nothing in return-not even a letter > > > > acknowledging contribution. There is no list of names of people who > > sent > > > in > > > > money in this file. In this case, rumors have it that all Weir's > > personal > > > > records were stored in the basement of his daughter's house and she > will > > > not > > > > talk about it. There are other cases (for example Choctaw Nation v. > U. > > S. > > > > began in 1830s and was finally settled in 1881. MANY names are in > it), > > > but > > > > this Weir case was done in the 1940-50s. Jackie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 7:05 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have printed a form for your book and am VERY excited in receiving > > it > > > ! > > > > > Also I appreciate you finding the first name of that lawyer..Was it > > done > > > > in > > > > > I.T. or MS ?...I cant tell from the interviews I have...They were > > pretty > > > > > scattered in coming here..( OK)... > > > > > again thanx ! > > > > > > > > > > deana > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:39 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy's site has many of the choctaw Rolls. She may not have > > Attorney > > > > > Weir's > > > > > > name on it. At the moment, I cannot remember his first name. I > > will > > > > have > > > > > > to look it up, but it may take me a day or two to hunt for it as I > > am > > > > tied > > > > > u > > > > > > this week end. You can see They Say the Wind is Red at > > > > > > http://matte.accessgenealogy.com and at Amazon. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:26 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jackie... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No I hadnt heard of it but where online might I look for info ? > > Ive > > > > > looked > > > > > > > at Judys site and didnt see anything on it. What was the guys > > first > > > > name > > > > > > > ?...Ill try looking that way... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again MUCHO thanx !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deana > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 2:50 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes! you probably heard about the Attorney named Weir from MS > > who > > > > did > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > He accepted money from Choctaws and other Indians for several > > > years, > > > > > but > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > his efforts led to nothing. He was sued for fraud. I went > > > through > > > > > his > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > file at the National Archives. There is really nothing in it > > that > > > > you > > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > get NOW from Internet. In the bibliography of my book "They > > Say > > > > the > > > > > > Wind > > > > > > > > is Red," I list all the Choctaw Court of Claims cases. A > section > > > on > > > > > > > > Resources for Southeastern Indian Genealogical Research is > > > included. > > > > > > > > Check Judy White's website > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native > > > > for > > > > > > > > rolls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, Jackie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:00 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have interviews from several ancestors for the Dawse Roll > > who > > > > were > > > > > > > MCRs. > > > > > > > > They all were saying that they gave their paper work to a man > > who > > > > they > > > > > > > > thought was an atty., and he ended up being an imposter who > > wound > > > up > > > > > in > > > > > > > > prison. Has anyone else run across this or even heard of it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If true why would someone want their paperwork who wasnt > ligit > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > > > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" > without > > > the > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > and spelled correctly. > > > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at > > > > > > > http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for > > > CHOCTAW > > > > > > > Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without > the > > > > quotes > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Need more CHOCTAW information?? Try Rusty Lang's website at > > > > > http://www.choctaw-web.com for censuses, genealogy lessons, > articles, > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to > > the > > > > list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna'WHINE?? Don't post it to > the > > > list...write to me at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > and spelled correctly. > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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FYI Angelyn: Have you checked Grayson County TX for a SMITH/BRASHEAR? marriage in the 1940's? Corine --- ANGELYN CUNNINGHAM <angelync@msn.com> wrote: > You might trying mailing Charles Brashear, a > professor at San Diego State University, who will > soon be publishing a 5th volume on the Brashear(s) > family - and the many spellings of the name. His > address: > brashear@mail.sdsu.edu > Angelyn > > ------ Original Message ----- > > From: Susanna Noe > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2002 8:16pm > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Miss. Choctaw Investment > Co. > Dusty: I am still 'lost' on my ancestor Nancy Lipsic > Black Brashier...any > suggestions ? a half cherokee/ via legend, oral > testimony, family interviews > et al....I am at a brickwall...too many people knew > of her and speak of her, > even today ,for her to be a figment of a collective > imagination... what do > you suggest ? > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:00 AM > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Miss. Choctaw Investment Co. > > > > Fran: > > > > You need to trace your family in Miss. via the > federal census and try to > > connect them to someone listed on either the 1831 > Armstrong roll or the > 1855 > > Cooper roll. These were both done before the > removals to Oklahoma. I > have > > both rolls if you need a lookup. > > > > dusty > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Jfrbol@aol.com> > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Re: Meaning of "Choctaw" > > > > > > > I have copies of "The Mississippi Choctaw > Investment Co" papers, dated > > 1918, > > > signed by my ancestor, for " services to be > rendered in presenting > before > > the > > > different branches of the government, in order > for them to share in the > > > tribal property belonging to the Choctaw > tribes". I think I have > > determined > > > this was a cruel hoax, but my question is where > do I start to research > the > > > fact that my ancestor signed these papers, as I > did not know he was > > > Indian/part Indian. He was James Leon Chambless, > 1904-1987, son of John > > Henry > > > Chambless, 1882-1916, and Josephine (Jodie) > Skinner, 1886-1930. What is > my > > > first step in finding the Choctaw Indian > connection to my ancestors? > > > > > > Fran Bolton > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > To Unsubscribe: > > > Send msg. to > CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... > "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off > signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > > Send msg. to > CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... > "unsubscribe" without the quotes > and spelled correctly. > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off > signatures....... > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information. Try Judy White's > NATIVE AMERICAN RESOURCE CENTER at > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, > newsletters, lookups, articles, etc. > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information. Try Judy White's > NATIVE AMERICAN RESOURCE CENTER at > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, > newsletters, lookups, articles, etc. >

FYI Angelyn: Have you checked Grayson County TX for a SMITH/BRASHEAR? marriage in the 1940's? Corine --- ANGELYN CUNNINGHAM <angelync@msn.com> wrote: > You might trying mailing Charles Brashear, a > professor at San Diego State University, who will > soon be publishing a 5th volume on the Brashear(s) > family - and the many spellings of the name. His > address: > brashear@mail.sdsu.edu > Angelyn > > ------ Original Message ----- > > From: Susanna Noe > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2002 8:16pm > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Miss. Choctaw Investment > Co. > Dusty: I am still 'lost' on my ancestor Nancy Lipsic > Black Brashier...any > suggestions ? a half cherokee/ via legend, oral > testimony, family interviews > et al....I am at a brickwall...too many people knew > of her and speak of her, > even today ,for her to be a figment of a collective > imagination... what do > you suggest ? > > From: "Dusty" <dustyc@microgear.net> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:00 AM > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Miss. Choctaw Investment Co. > > > > Fran: > > > > You need to trace your family in Miss. via the > federal census and try to > > connect them to someone listed on either the 1831 > Armstrong roll or the > 1855 > > Cooper roll. These were both done before the > removals to Oklahoma. I > have > > both rolls if you need a lookup. > > > > dusty > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Jfrbol@aol.com> > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Re: Meaning of "Choctaw" > > > > > > > I have copies of "The Mississippi Choctaw > Investment Co" papers, dated > > 1918, > > > signed by my ancestor, for " services to be > rendered in presenting > before > > the > > > different branches of the government, in order > for them to share in the > > > tribal property belonging to the Choctaw > tribes". I think I have > > determined > > > this was a cruel hoax, but my question is where > do I start to research > the > > > fact that my ancestor signed these papers, as I > did not know he was > > > Indian/part Indian. He was James Leon Chambless, > 1904-1987, son of John > > Henry > > > Chambless, 1882-1916, and Josephine (Jodie) > Skinner, 1886-1930. What is > my > > > first step in finding the Choctaw Indian > connection to my ancestors? > > > > > > Fran Bolton > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > To Unsubscribe: > > > Send msg. to > CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... > "unsubscribe" without the quotes > > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off > signatures....... > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > > Send msg. to > CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... > "unsubscribe" without the quotes > and spelled correctly. > > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off > signatures....... > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information. Try Judy White's > NATIVE AMERICAN RESOURCE CENTER at > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, > newsletters, lookups, articles, etc. > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Need more CHOCTAW information. Try Judy White's > NATIVE AMERICAN RESOURCE CENTER at > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native for rolls, > newsletters, lookups, articles, etc. >

Well, Jackie I cant tell you exactly where they were because its vague...the interview was in 1901 and the all say" 6-8 years ago"...that they talked to this man and gave him "everything"..marriage licenses etc...and one uncle is real adament about there being a "P. Davis"a roll and hes ours....it was put in their files thing....when I was at the OK Historical Society they had no idea what roll he was talking about...but the commision said if he could prove that the "P.Davis" he way that the grandpa signed his name and he was ours theyd be admitted....I have NO idea what roll they are talking about. Ive had lookups on diffrent rolls and not seen a "P.Davis" ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > Your people may have been among the ones who were not removed West, but were > left to struggle on their own in MS, AL, & LA The cases I mentioned were > all going one since before the Civil War. The paperwork continued to be > generated for YEARS. The Choctaws who were left in Alabama lived around > Mobile on public land. The citizens of Mobile petitioned the Mayor to get > them moved away to the West. From 1832- 1860 correspondence was generated > (letters were written for Choctaws by local officials) between agencies of > federal government and these Choctaw (known as Mississippi Choctaw) seeking > help. The government agents were defrauding the Choctaws out of their > "scrip"; (scrip was certificate for land in Indian Territory Oklahoma) > attorneys were involved saying they would take the Indians' cases for the > scrip.(I have a chapter on this in my book.) The Cooper Roll, named for > Douglas Cooper who took the Roll, was taken in 1855-56 in Al., MS & LA. > Most names are phonetically spelled Choctaw names, arranged by clan names > and location --for example: "Six Towns Clan," Jasper and Newton County, MS > and Mobile, AL. Jackie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > --- Hmmmmm > > This happened before the Dawes Enrollment late 1800s in MS....( mine were > in > > route to here in OK)...if the Weir thing was in 1940s -50s..not the same > > incident......hhhmmm > > > > deana > > ----- > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > In the Weir case people sent in $4 from all over the country, but the > > > majority were from southern states--MS, AL, LA In the files I looked > at > > in > > > Washington, there were only one or two letters from disgruntled/angry > > people > > > who had sent in money and got nothing in return-not even a letter > > > acknowledging contribution. There is no list of names of people who > sent > > in > > > money in this file. In this case, rumors have it that all Weir's > personal > > > records were stored in the basement of his daughter's house and she will > > not > > > talk about it. There are other cases (for example Choctaw Nation v. U. > S. > > > began in 1830s and was finally settled in 1881. MANY names are in it), > > but > > > this Weir case was done in the 1940-50s. Jackie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 7:05 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > I have printed a form for your book and am VERY excited in receiving > it > > ! > > > > Also I appreciate you finding the first name of that lawyer..Was it > done > > > in > > > > I.T. or MS ?...I cant tell from the interviews I have...They were > pretty > > > > scattered in coming here..( OK)... > > > > again thanx ! > > > > > > > > deana > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:39 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy's site has many of the choctaw Rolls. She may not have > Attorney > > > > Weir's > > > > > name on it. At the moment, I cannot remember his first name. I > will > > > have > > > > > to look it up, but it may take me a day or two to hunt for it as I > am > > > tied > > > > u > > > > > this week end. You can see They Say the Wind is Red at > > > > > http://matte.accessgenealogy.com and at Amazon. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:26 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jackie... > > > > > > > > > > > > No I hadnt heard of it but where online might I look for info ? > Ive > > > > looked > > > > > > at Judys site and didnt see anything on it. What was the guys > first > > > name > > > > > > ?...Ill try looking that way... > > > > > > > > > > > > again MUCHO thanx !! > > > > > > > > > > > > deana > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Jackie Matte <matteja@bellsouth.net> > > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 2:50 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes! you probably heard about the Attorney named Weir from MS > who > > > did > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > He accepted money from Choctaws and other Indians for several > > years, > > > > but > > > > > > all > > > > > > > his efforts led to nothing. He was sued for fraud. I went > > through > > > > his > > > > > > case > > > > > > > file at the National Archives. There is really nothing in it > that > > > you > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > get NOW from Internet. In the bibliography of my book "They > Say > > > the > > > > > Wind > > > > > > > is Red," I list all the Choctaw Court of Claims cases. A section > > on > > > > > > > Resources for Southeastern Indian Genealogical Research is > > included. > > > > > > > Check Judy White's website > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native > > > for > > > > > > > rolls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, Jackie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Deana Peirce" <choctaw74@prodigy.net> > > > > > > > To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:00 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have interviews from several ancestors for the Dawse Roll > who > > > were > > > > > > MCRs. > > > > > > > They all were saying that they gave their paper work to a man > who > > > they > > > > > > > thought was an atty., and he ended up being an imposter who > wound > > up > > > > in > > > > > > > prison. Has anyone else run across this or even heard of it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If true why would someone want their paperwork who wasnt ligit > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE.... > > > > > > > > Send msg. to CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "unsubscribe" without > > the > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > and spelled correctly. > > > > > > > > Nothing in the subject line... 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