http://theredcopy.com/theredcopy/index.html Check it out..there are excerpts at his website. B.E.

Yes, thanks! SandyM Sandy Mercer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Messer" <44messer@bellsouth.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] looking for askew names choctaw line > The numbers beside the represent the generations > > Can you better understand it like this? > > Descendants of Aya-Kya Askew > > > > 1 Aya-Kya Askew > > .... 2 Elizabeth Askew-Douglas > > ........ +Joe Douglas > > .......... 3 Mary Douglas-Martin > > .............. +James Martin b: 1835 in Indiana > > ................ 4 Maude Martin > > ................ 4 Ida Martin > > ................ 4 Ella Martin-Bennett b: 1875 in AL > > .................... +William Bennett > > ...................... 5 Minnie Elizabeth Bennett b: March 13, 1905 d: > February 17, 1951 > > .......................... +Clifton E. Spencer > > ............................ 6 Mary D. Spencer > > ................................ +Dr. Paul G. Kinnard > > .................................. 7 Jan Kinnard > > ...................................... +UNKNOWN Cooper > > ........................................ 8 Jennifer Elise Cooper > > ........................................ 8 Christine Cooper > > ........................................ 8 Michelle Cooper > > .................................. 7 Mike Kinnard > > .................................. 7 Pat Kinnard > > .................................. 7 [1] Robert Paul Kinnard > > ...................................... +Laresa Jean McCall-Hamilton > > ........................................ 8 Preston Adam Kinnard > > ........................................ 8 Montana ReAnn Kinnard > > .................................. *2nd Wife of [1] Robert Paul Kinnard: > > ...................................... +Wife UNKNOWN > > ........................................ 8 Paul Kinnard > > .... 2 Murrell Askew > > .......... 3 A. W. Askew > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > To subscribe to CHAHTA-L list discussions on history, culture, language. Send msg. to CHAHTA-L-request@rootsweb.com > Put "one" word in "body" of message:... "subscribe" without the quotes, nothing in the subject line, turn off signatures. > Nothing in the subject line... Turn off signatures....... > >

The numbers beside the represent the generations Can you better understand it like this? Descendants of Aya-Kya Askew 1 Aya-Kya Askew .... 2 Elizabeth Askew-Douglas ........ +Joe Douglas .......... 3 Mary Douglas-Martin .............. +James Martin b: 1835 in Indiana ................ 4 Maude Martin ................ 4 Ida Martin ................ 4 Ella Martin-Bennett b: 1875 in AL .................... +William Bennett ...................... 5 Minnie Elizabeth Bennett b: March 13, 1905 d: February 17, 1951 .......................... +Clifton E. Spencer ............................ 6 Mary D. Spencer ................................ +Dr. Paul G. Kinnard .................................. 7 Jan Kinnard ...................................... +UNKNOWN Cooper ........................................ 8 Jennifer Elise Cooper ........................................ 8 Christine Cooper ........................................ 8 Michelle Cooper .................................. 7 Mike Kinnard .................................. 7 Pat Kinnard .................................. 7 [1] Robert Paul Kinnard ...................................... +Laresa Jean McCall-Hamilton ........................................ 8 Preston Adam Kinnard ........................................ 8 Montana ReAnn Kinnard .................................. *2nd Wife of [1] Robert Paul Kinnard: ...................................... +Wife UNKNOWN ........................................ 8 Paul Kinnard .... 2 Murrell Askew .......... 3 A. W. Askew

What do the numbers attached to the names mean? Such as ELIZABETH2, MARY3 I'm a "newbie," always looking to learn something... Thanks! SandyM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Messer" <44messer@bellsouth.net> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] looking for askew names choctaw line > I do not rememeber who sent this information to me and cannot verify the > validity of it the data with it, but here are some names. > > Regards > > Brenda Messer > > Descendants of Aya-Kya Askew > > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > 1. AYA-KYA1 ASKEW > > > Children of AYA-KYA ASKEW are: > > 2. i. ELIZABETH2 ASKEW-DOUGLAS. > > 3. ii. MURRELL ASKEW. > > > > Generation No. 2 > > > 2. ELIZABETH2 ASKEW-DOUGLAS (AYA-KYA1 ASKEW) She married JOE DOUGLAS. > > > Child of ELIZABETH ASKEW-DOUGLAS and JOE DOUGLAS is: > > 4. i. MARY3 DOUGLAS-MARTIN. > > > > 3. MURRELL2 ASKEW (AYA-KYA1) > > > Child of MURRELL ASKEW is: > > i. A. W.3 ASKEW. > > > > Generation No. 3 > > > 4. MARY3 DOUGLAS-MARTIN (ELIZABETH2 ASKEW-DOUGLAS, AYA-KYA1 ASKEW) She > married JAMES MARTIN, son of JAMES MARTIN and RACHIEL MOORE. He was born > 1835 in Indiana. > > > Children of MARY DOUGLAS-MARTIN and JAMES MARTIN are: > > i. MAUDE4 MARTIN. > > ii. IDA MARTIN. > > 5. iii. ELLA MARTIN-BENNETT, b. 1875, AL. > > > > Generation No. 4 > > > 5. ELLA4 MARTIN-BENNETT (MARY3 DOUGLAS-MARTIN, ELIZABETH2 ASKEW-DOUGLAS, > AYA-KYA1 ASKEW) was born 1875 in AL. She married WILLIAM BENNETT, son of > SAMUEL BENNETT and ELIZABETH CHENAULT. > > > Child of ELLA MARTIN-BENNETT and WILLIAM BENNETT is: > > 6. i. MINNIE ELIZABETH5 BENNETT, b. March 13, 1905; d. February 17, 1951. > > > > Generation No. 5 > > > 6. MINNIE ELIZABETH5 BENNETT (ELLA4 MARTIN-BENNETT, MARY3 DOUGLAS-MARTIN, > ELIZABETH2 ASKEW-DOUGLAS, AYA-KYA1 ASKEW) was born March 13, 1905, and died > February 17, 1951. She married CLIFTON E. SPENCER. > > Notes for MINNIE ELIZABETH BENNETT: > > **Not Registered**, Family was erased from the Rolls. > > > Child of MINNIE BENNETT and CLIFTON SPENCER is: > > 7. i. MARY D.6 SPENCER. > > > > Generation No. 6 > > > 7. MARY D.6 SPENCER (MINNIE ELIZABETH5 BENNETT, ELLA4 MARTIN-BENNETT, MARY3 > DOUGLAS-MARTIN, ELIZABETH2 ASKEW-DOUGLAS, AYA-KYA1 ASKEW) She married DR. > PAUL G. KINNARD, son of LABANA KINNARD and ETHEL SWEET. > > Children of MARY SPENCER and DR. KINNARD are: > > 8. i. JAN7 KINNARD. > > ii. MIKE KINNARD. > > iii. PAT KINNARD. > > 9. iv. ROBERT PAUL KINNARD. > > > > Generation No. 7 > > > 8. JAN7 KINNARD (MARY D.6 SPENCER, MINNIE ELIZABETH5 BENNETT, ELLA4 > MARTIN-BENNETT, MARY3 DOUGLAS-MARTIN, ELIZABETH2 ASKEW-DOUGLAS, AYA-KYA1 > ASKEW) She married UNKNOWN COOPER. > > > Children of JAN KINNARD and UNKNOWN COOPER are: > > i. JENNIFER ELISE8 COOPER. > > ii. CHRISTINE COOPER. > > iii. MICHELLE COOPER. > > > > 9. ROBERT PAUL7 KINNARD (MARY D.6 SPENCER, MINNIE ELIZABETH5 BENNETT, ELLA4 > MARTIN-BENNETT, MARY3 DOUGLAS-MARTIN, ELIZABETH2 ASKEW-DOUGLAS, AYA-KYA1 > ASKEW) He married (1) LARESA JEAN MCCALL-HAMILTON, daughter of SIMMIE MCCALL > and PATRICIA BOOKER. He married (2) WIFE UNKNOWN. > > Notes for ROBERT PAUL KINNARD: > > Robert is a Cherokee and Choctaw > > 21/64 Indian > > > Children of ROBERT KINNARD and LARESA MCCALL-HAMILTON are: > > i. PRESTON ADAM8 KINNARD. > > ii. MONTANA REANN KINNARD. > > > Child of ROBERT KINNARD and WIFE UNKNOWN is: > > iii. PAUL8 KINNARD. > > > > The Messerville Gazette > http://www.geocities.com/windy4448/ > > Read about the new disease that has been discovered in the mountains of NC > at > http://www.geocities.com/windy4448/news.html > > Messer Family Inherited Medical Conditions > http://www.geocities.com/windy4448/knowninheritedmedicalconditionsinmesserli > neage.html > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Try Markie and Fay's CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST pages at http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/index.html for CHOCTAW Muster Rolls, Orphans lists, censuses, land records, etc. >

I do not rememeber who sent this information to me and cannot verify the validity of it the data with it, but here are some names. Regards Brenda Messer Descendants of Aya-Kya Askew Generation No. 1 1. AYA-KYA1 ASKEW Children of AYA-KYA ASKEW are: 2. i. ELIZABETH2 ASKEW-DOUGLAS. 3. ii. MURRELL ASKEW. Generation No. 2 2. ELIZABETH2 ASKEW-DOUGLAS (AYA-KYA1 ASKEW) She married JOE DOUGLAS. Child of ELIZABETH ASKEW-DOUGLAS and JOE DOUGLAS is: 4. i. MARY3 DOUGLAS-MARTIN. 3. MURRELL2 ASKEW (AYA-KYA1) Child of MURRELL ASKEW is: i. A. W.3 ASKEW. Generation No. 3 4. MARY3 DOUGLAS-MARTIN (ELIZABETH2 ASKEW-DOUGLAS, AYA-KYA1 ASKEW) She married JAMES MARTIN, son of JAMES MARTIN and RACHIEL MOORE. He was born 1835 in Indiana. Children of MARY DOUGLAS-MARTIN and JAMES MARTIN are: i. MAUDE4 MARTIN. ii. IDA MARTIN. 5. iii. ELLA MARTIN-BENNETT, b. 1875, AL. Generation No. 4 5. ELLA4 MARTIN-BENNETT (MARY3 DOUGLAS-MARTIN, ELIZABETH2 ASKEW-DOUGLAS, AYA-KYA1 ASKEW) was born 1875 in AL. She married WILLIAM BENNETT, son of SAMUEL BENNETT and ELIZABETH CHENAULT. Child of ELLA MARTIN-BENNETT and WILLIAM BENNETT is: 6. i. MINNIE ELIZABETH5 BENNETT, b. March 13, 1905; d. February 17, 1951. Generation No. 5 6. MINNIE ELIZABETH5 BENNETT (ELLA4 MARTIN-BENNETT, MARY3 DOUGLAS-MARTIN, ELIZABETH2 ASKEW-DOUGLAS, AYA-KYA1 ASKEW) was born March 13, 1905, and died February 17, 1951. She married CLIFTON E. SPENCER. Notes for MINNIE ELIZABETH BENNETT: **Not Registered**, Family was erased from the Rolls. Child of MINNIE BENNETT and CLIFTON SPENCER is: 7. i. MARY D.6 SPENCER. Generation No. 6 7. MARY D.6 SPENCER (MINNIE ELIZABETH5 BENNETT, ELLA4 MARTIN-BENNETT, MARY3 DOUGLAS-MARTIN, ELIZABETH2 ASKEW-DOUGLAS, AYA-KYA1 ASKEW) She married DR. PAUL G. KINNARD, son of LABANA KINNARD and ETHEL SWEET. Children of MARY SPENCER and DR. KINNARD are: 8. i. JAN7 KINNARD. ii. MIKE KINNARD. iii. PAT KINNARD. 9. iv. ROBERT PAUL KINNARD. Generation No. 7 8. JAN7 KINNARD (MARY D.6 SPENCER, MINNIE ELIZABETH5 BENNETT, ELLA4 MARTIN-BENNETT, MARY3 DOUGLAS-MARTIN, ELIZABETH2 ASKEW-DOUGLAS, AYA-KYA1 ASKEW) She married UNKNOWN COOPER. Children of JAN KINNARD and UNKNOWN COOPER are: i. JENNIFER ELISE8 COOPER. ii. CHRISTINE COOPER. iii. MICHELLE COOPER. 9. ROBERT PAUL7 KINNARD (MARY D.6 SPENCER, MINNIE ELIZABETH5 BENNETT, ELLA4 MARTIN-BENNETT, MARY3 DOUGLAS-MARTIN, ELIZABETH2 ASKEW-DOUGLAS, AYA-KYA1 ASKEW) He married (1) LARESA JEAN MCCALL-HAMILTON, daughter of SIMMIE MCCALL and PATRICIA BOOKER. He married (2) WIFE UNKNOWN. Notes for ROBERT PAUL KINNARD: Robert is a Cherokee and Choctaw 21/64 Indian Children of ROBERT KINNARD and LARESA MCCALL-HAMILTON are: i. PRESTON ADAM8 KINNARD. ii. MONTANA REANN KINNARD. Child of ROBERT KINNARD and WIFE UNKNOWN is: iii. PAUL8 KINNARD. The Messerville Gazette http://www.geocities.com/windy4448/ Read about the new disease that has been discovered in the mountains of NC at http://www.geocities.com/windy4448/news.html Messer Family Inherited Medical Conditions http://www.geocities.com/windy4448/knowninheritedmedicalconditionsinmesserli neage.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: snow smith kilburn shannon price askew jones bohannon Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/997 Message Board Post: henry askew b sc abt 1826 wife unknown child indiana nan askew b la abt 1851 this family was in la in 1850 they ended up in ark mountain view area does anyone no these names indiana nan had a sister sarah a askew b la indiana nan married a shannon and sarh a askew married a moss please help me find my choctaw ancestry thanks michele

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: POSEY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/996 Message Board Post: Does anyone know the origins of the Poseys who were listed on the Dawes Rolls as Choctaws?

UNSUBSCRIBE What do I need to do to quit receiving these messages. I have sent several UNSUBSCRIBE messages as instructed, and I keep receiving them. I wish to no longer receive messages from your URL. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:00 AM Subject: CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-D Digest V02 #271

FYI: Ida Conn Brantley was the sister of my mother's widowed mother, Sally Conn Jones b. MO d. 15/16 Apr 1895 Grayson Co TX, and Sally's brother John H Conn b. 1860 KY, who removed with his son Frank to Fort Bend Co TX after trying to take Sally's orphaned daughter Eunice from Uncle John's former wife after Sally died. Ida Conn Brantley lived with her husband and I think two daughters and a son close to her sister Sally near the site of the present Denison Dam, which created Lake Texoma. My mother, Unus (Eunice) Annie Jones b. 1888 OKIT d. 1987 Dallas TX, often spoke of playing with Aunt Ida Conn Brantley's children and wondered what became of them when they disappeared from her life. In later years, she was told that one of the daughters was adopted by a Sherman doctor, who gave her a farm west of Denison when she married. --- JOHNSONALBERTD@aol.com wrote: > LOOKING FOR INFORMATION ON: > LEONA GILMER BRANTLEY, BORN AUG. 20, 1901, LEAKE > CO., MS > PARENTS:(FATHER) ROBERT GILMER, HIS MOTHER WAS DORA > GILMER > (MOTHER) LEONA DENNIS, WAS A FULL > BLOODED CHOCTAW > > LEONA GILMER BRANTLEY HAD SEVERAL SISTERS: > INA > CLEOLA > > LEONA GILMER MARRIED ROBERT (BOB) GILMER. > > ROBERT GILMER WAS A HOLINESS PREACHER AND FARMER-WAS > KILLED DUE TO FALL FROM > MULE DRAWN PLOW, BURIED IN SALEM CHURCH CEMETERY > NEAR MERIDIAN, MS. > > LEONA GILMER BRANTLEY, RAISED 6 DAUGHTERS BY > HERSELF: > HELEN-JEAN-BILLIE-EZELL-BOBBIE-MARGARET IN WALNUT > GROVE, MISSISSIPPI AND > SURROUNDING SMALL TOWNS. > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking > for ancestor's name? Check our archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/995.1 Message Board Post: I too am looking for my ancestors that were choctaw and from Mississippi. Do you by any chance have any Green's or Welborn's in your line anywhere? I know it is a long shot, but thought I would ask. Thanks, Cindy

my grandfather: Gus Herman Johnson (1869-1953) was a stowaway on a merchant ship from Sweden in 1881-landed in NY, went to Wisconsin for 2 years, stayed with relatives, said it was too cold, came south to Forrest County MS. During WW2 had a gas station/beer joint/dance hall near camp Shelby. al

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/958.1 Message Board Post: Loraine, My name is Linda Shoptaugh / Shoptaw Branham, my great great grandfather was Henry Shoptaw and lived in Greene County Indiana before moving to White County, IL. I am extremely interested in hearing about your James to see if we connect. Please email me and I will share what I have about the family. I live in Illinois in St. Claire County. Linda

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/974.1 Message Board Post: I too am researching this Marie Pany dau. of Panyouasas? So much different info. Please write me at dixiemamma@webtv.net Would like to compare info. Carolyn

In a message dated 10/1/02 10:57:32 AM Central Daylight Time, faynshep@telapex.com writes: > If your friend's Lea family was in Mississippi, let me know. > Fay > I'll find out - thank you!

May I ask you the origin of your Johnson surname? My Ggrandfather b. Albany NY. My Grandfather J Alfred Johnson Jr b. Napa Valley CA 1848, came to McKinney Collin Co Texas to visit cousins; m. Grandmother Duncan/Johnson Sherman Grayson Co TX Oct 1871; five children; left for work as a brickmason Nov 1883 and never seen or heard from again. G'pa's oldest daughter named her first child Albert Sidney Johnson. I have more, if you link. Corine Elvira --- JOHNSONALBERTD@aol.com wrote: > please check your rolls for the name: Gilmer or > Dennis or Dennes > the attorneys name was Tom Weir, he took $25.00 form > everyone saying he would > get them Indian money in the name of Dancing Rabbit > Creak Tribe, out of > Philadelphia Mississippi. > thanks aj > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > DON'T FORGET OUR ARCHIVES. Got a question? Looking > for ancestor's name? Check our archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST >

Hi Dusty I am trying to fine out about the town of Walls, OK. I had some relatives living there in Walls and it was Indian Territory at that time. They seemed to drift over in to Oklahoma to work. I have never done any research in OK. If you have any tips, I would certainly appreciate it. Also, I recently found a Grandfather that I had looked for years to find working at the Cosden & Co. pipeline in the years around 1916 and 1918. He was in the Newport, AR. registration list Sept. 10, 1918. I have checked the AR. 1910 Jackson Co..census but I could have missed something. Thanks and God Bless, Marian C/c to Jackson County site.

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If your friend's Lea family was in Mississippi, let me know. Fay ----- Original Message ----- From: <AhSweet1@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] MS Choctaw > Faye, > You mentioned LEA family........a long time friend of mine has the last > name of LEA - been married for years but only until about a year ago did I > find out he was 1/4 Choctaw - small world! > > Carol > > > ==== CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Got a PROBLEM?? Got a GRIPE?? Just wanna' WHINE?? Don't post it to the list. Write to me, the listowner, at CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com >

This Tom Weir sounds like the Mississippi Choctaw Investment Co, that said they would help my ancestors "secure for them a share in the tribal property belonging to the Choctaw tribes" A cousin has the original signed receipts, signed by D.H. B. Gauld, claim agent representing Mississippi Choctaw Indians, in 1918. These receipts were torn from a book of these printed forms, size about 3x5 in., you can see the perforated edges. The heading on one form says " The Mississippi Choctaw Investment Co., Houston Texas, the bottom says "Witness our hands, in duplicate, at Canton Texas. Witnesses: D. H. B. Gauld, J. F. Carter. The other form is a receipt for $5.00, but has been handwritten over that, an amount I cannot read, perhaps $2.50, for "clerical expenses in re claim against the US Government for violation of Choctaw Indians Treaty of 1830. The undersigned agrees to have this case prosecuted before the US Congress, and other tribunals if necessary, as a descendant of the Mississippi Choctaws" Canton, TX, in Van Zandt Co, 1893 is as far back as I can document my family. A Texas Historical Commission Commemorative Maker in front of the Oakland Community Cemetery reads "Early settlers buried on this site include Joseph and Sabrina Reid, and members of their family. Sabrina is believed to have been of American Indian descent" My question is, how did these lawyers and "Investment Cos" locate these people in order to prey on them? Perhaps newspapers from this time period will shed some light. Still searching for my J. L. Chambless' Choctaw roots, who was 14 yrs old at the time of these papers in 1918. His mother's maiden name was Josephine/Jodie Skinner, b. 1886, grandmother's maiden name Mary Martha Stephens, b. 1849. Fran Bolton